Talk:Dawn Bellwether/@comment-3003347-20160307012036/@comment-1672596-20160307215708

Also have to agree with the above as well. And honestly, the so-called "realistic" villains they are aiming for right now (Hans and Bellwether, to cite some examples) aren't even that realistic. They are about as "realistic" as most of the plot twists for the Metal Gear series, namely how Liquid and FOXHOUND planned all along for Solid Snake to get the card keys and exploited that to trick him into activating REX for them instead of deactivating it, even murdering his trainer beforehand just to ensure it worked, and this is all DESPITE their going out of their way to kill Snake (which if anything would downright sabotage their mission), and it's ALL for the sake of a plot twist showing that "Master Miller" was actually Liquid Snake all along. Or how about The Phantom Pain's big plot twist that the "Big Boss" you play as isn't even the real Big Boss but a literal body double, despite just how utterly implausible and unrealistic it is to even doll him up as the real Big Boss via plastic surgery and hypnotherapy, all for the sake of a plot twist no one could see coming from Kojima's juvenile mind. I guess I can probably list the sheer amount of backstabbing that goes on in Metal Gear Solid 2 as well, or a similar plot twist to the MGS1 above in Metal Gear Solid 4. Even MOST Disney villains we've got are far more realistic than the so-called "realistic" villains they're gunning for (and besides, apparently the writers have forgotten this, but just because the audience knows someone's a bad guy doesn't mean the characters in-universe know that's a bad guy as well.).

They really need to get back to the classic Disney Villain model, the one where it's clear the bad guy is an actual bad guy. It's not like those kinds of villains are unrealistic (if anything, as mentioned above, the "realistic" villains they're going for right now are actually extremely unrealistic. I'll admit that Hans is more realistic than Gaston, but that's only because unlike Gaston, who stupidly unveiled key details towards his evil plan and made no effort to even hide anything that would point to him being a scumbag as a result and literally was cheered on by the villagers as if it were a Simpsons episode, Hans is actually smart enough to actually HIDE his plans from everyone, which is what dictators and other evildoers generally try and do, rely on deception.). In fact, I can actually NAME at least one real life villain who was an exceptionally obvious villain: The Marquis de Sade. He openly admits to being a remorselessly evil person at one point.