Talk:Mulan (2020 film)/@comment-27373870-20180728212006/@comment-4889892-20180810041716

'''They do turn into butterflies. They don't sing opera. Did I say singing opera was a good idea? No. But if someone portrayed them that way, then that's their mistake. Something stupid isn't exactly offensive, so it doesn't need to be called out. '''

Here we go with the same argument again.

'''So you're comparing inaccuracy to racism? I'm pretty sure "Jim Crow" was not a mistake. That sounds like deliberate racism. Now, there are times when people say racist or any kind of offensive comment by accident too, but that's not what we see in Dumbo and Fantasia. (They are actually making a live-action Dumbo. I'm not sure how I feel about it.) '''

'''Besides having a full out fantasy war as I’ve mentioned earlier, it would be quite interesting if Mushu turned out not to be a dragon at all and actually was lying the whole time (what a twist, but considering even Mulan questions him for not being a typical dragon). Maybe he is just a lizard. Originally, they were going to give Mulan a red panda for a sidekick (based on concept art). Mulan’s like, “just shapeshift!” Mushu, “ugh...turns out I’m not actually a dragon? Hehe.”'''

'''Well, I hate it right now. I’m not saying I’m not going to see it and give it a chance. I could change my mind and like it, but it’s still not Disney’s Mulan. And before I didn’t know it was being geared towards Chinese audiences. I knew that it was inaccurate, and that a lot of Chinese people didn’t like it, but I had seen no evidence that that’s what they were trying to do. (The only evidence of this I have so far is some interview where Niki Caro says “cultural authenticity,” but she also says she’s inspired by the cartoon, so something seems off there.) Your input has at least given me the reasoning behind changing the film (I think), and the fact that I’m considering your thoughts and not just blowing it off is technically being open-minded. A lot of them make sense, but I don’t believe this film is all or nothing. Seeing the word “witch” the first thing a Westerner   imagines is a Western style witch with a stupid broom making stupid potions. Now that I’ve heard it’s a Chinese witch (better be), it doesn’t seem as bad. They could have at least used the word “shamanness” to convey the right image. Also, I thought that was the only villain. No Shanyu or Shanyu-like figure. And I still don’t like the character of Chen Honghui. I just don’t like cocky characters, and he’s already stated to be like that. I’m not judging him myself. And lastly, there was that superpower rumor. '''

'''As for attacking Niki Caro, I would not condone that. I don’t have a social media account beyond YouTube, so I’m oblivious to these things. They should really just ask her what’s going on. What I don’t understand is if she has such good reasoning behind changing this movie, why doesn’t she just publically make a statement about it?'''

'''So Aladdin was a victim of racebending, making Disney just change the story to the race he was bent to? Interesting case.'''

'''I mean, you can make a European retelling of the story, but you’d have to change it again anyways, so that would be useless. Might be a good movie, but it’s still not the Mulan anybody is looking for. Also, the movie would be whitewashing if it was marketed as Mulan, and just seem like a rip off if it was marketed as something else. Pretty sure nobody would like that. I personally don’t like Mulan because she is a cultural icon, but because I like her story and I like her as an individual. Of course, her cultural background is an influence to who she is, but that is not the only thing about her that matters. I love the Sui/Tang period and enjoy watching it accurately depicted, but more than that I love the characters. We obviously have different reasons for liking Mulan, so I don’t think this is going to get any further than it did with Shang and Honghui.'''

'''Sidenote: When debating, attacking the speaker is an ad hominem fallacy. I apologize if I have been guilty of this, but we're not here to attack each other. It doesn't get anywhere but just adds more non-content related defenses.'''