Thread:JeremyCreek/@comment-30384903-20150407234530

Hi um, I'm not exactly sure who is best to contact and after quickly reading all of the listed person, I think you seem responsible so I picked you! There's a lot I'm covering... Take your time reading and you don't have to respond ASAP (or respond at all actually); no pressure at all, cuz I don't think things can be quickly changed anyways, considering this is such a huge wiki and all.

I'll say this before hand; this is a long rant and may spoil your mood after finish reading, but my intention is not to piss people off, let alone harassing people for fun. Rest assured, I'm a browser of this wiki and not an active user, so this is most definitely the only time you will hear from me, unless one day I become in charge of some wiki that would like to associate with this one. (def. not happening in the near future and not now)

About this wiki
As high capacity as this wiki is, I find "finding stuff ABOUT THIS WIKI" surprisingly hard; I had to search keywords to find certain pages, and then use the category they were sorted into to see if there's other pages. I did realize some of the stuff can be found on the main page, but the problem is, they are squished at the bottom right on the page, barely noticeable and highly missable.

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Disney_Wiki (I assume this is in fact supposed to be about this wiki?) http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/DisneyWiki:Do%27s_and_Don%27ts http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Disney_Wiki:Administrators http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Disney_Wiki:Photo_Policies http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Disney_Wiki:Manual_of_Style http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Disney_Wiki:Affiliates

Aren't those things quite crucial and fundamental for editors/contributors? Policies and stuff... The fact that I had to search multiple times to find an admin to talk to is inconvenient at most... I hope someone in charge does get to hear that some browsers (at least I can speak for myself, so that's one person) have opinions about this and wish it could be dealt in some ways.

Wiki navigation bar
This brings another issued (one that wasn't the reason I'm writing to you but became relevant), to my understanding, the wiki navigation bar on top can only have 5 tabs on the first level; I'm not sure if that's including the required "On the Wiki", but if it is, obviously this wiki has reached its limit, which is why I'm bring up something that may cause a WTF reaction but please let me thoroughly explain first. Since Disney does in actuality produce numerous works, and due to the limited slots the wiki navigation allows, there is a good chance that whatever show/movie/game one is searching for, won't be listed on the bar. I also believe the number of their actual works is far greater than what can be displayed. If most of the stuff couldn't be cover thus having to search for it manually anyways, I think combining Movies/TV/Video Games into "Media" as the first level, then have those three (originally the first) become the second level, and their tabs (originally the second) become the third level, would be a adequate way to tackle the problem.

You may horrifyingly protest that ''HEY! Now no actual movie/tv show/video game pages are shown on the navigation bar! Only categories!'', but say I'm looking for Pocahontas, Mulan, or Tarzan; guess what? THEY WEREN'T FEATURED ON THE BAR TO BEGIN WITH SO THE CHANGE DOESN'T MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. Take the link for "Animated films" as an example, instead of being the category page, then can be replaced by http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Disney_theatrical_animated_features (which I'll admit, I also did not know existed on this wiki until I searched for it by hand to double check; I was originally going to put the wikipedia page of the same thing. This really shows that as informative as this wiki is, it is not constructed or organized where stuff can be easily found). The list is pretty much a good overview, listing all the works Disney had done in that sense, and showcases every movie on equal grounds by listing them using release dates.

By doing this it will open up two slots on the first level, if for some reason, not showing any actual movie/tv show/video game pages will cause some anguish and distress, there's always the option of adding to the first level "Popular Pages" or something similar in that sense wiki offers, displaying whatever the most popular pages in selected categories, which is what I almost think the tabs are currently doing anyways, just that they take up so much space. At least if labeled like that, it justifies why only selective pages are shown, since not everything is equally popular. Then the last slot can be FOR THIS WIKI, a guide for where to go if need help, stuff you may missed...etc. I know this is most likely a lost cause, but I did think it over before suggesting it, or I would have also suggested the "Characters" tab to be dealt with with similar matter. I realized there's simply too many characters to sort out and decided to leave it as such; on the other hand, Movies/TV/Video Games can indeed be seen as under the broader definition of Media, which is why I don't think the idea is completely batsh*t crazy. I'll totally understand if this can't be done due to workload it requires, but like I said before, I just hope someone is aware that at least someone else (me) is, although liking the wiki very much, still finding it, for the lack of better words, fairly inconvenient.

The direction of this wiki
So back to the original reason I'm writing you about (right? I told you this is super long), I'm confused as to just "how much" Disney stuff this wiki is aiming to cover? I don't know exactly how to phrase this question, so I'll do it by examples I guess. Do you guys plan to incorporate every property from every other company that is later bought by Disney? To be more specific, as I don't exactly watch TV and I don't pay attention to who currently owns what, so I'm just talking about the cases I know: MARVEL and ABC. Yes, I know (or I think I know, do correct me if I'm wrong), "technically" they do belong to Disney, so "technically" they do qualify for having a place on the wiki that covers stuff about Disney; but I have to ask, '''is it really necessary? That's like covering two other companies besides Disney itself (in a sense it really is)''', and MARVEL already has a really organized wiki dedicated to them; not to mention the countless wikis for MCU/MCU specific movies/MCU specific tv shows out there! Quantity doesn't guarantee quality, and when seeing this wiki starting to go into detail about stuff that aren't directly owned by them, to me it really just feel like the wiki is spreading itself too thin and losing focus (a focus I then realize perhaps I'm not aware of, because, what exactly is the focus of this wiki, Disney, or Disney AND EVERYTHING ELSE the company later bought?).

I'm not saying MARVEL and ABC stuff should all be taken down, I'm saying the details can be provided by other wikis that are specifically dedicated to them. I was just confused as to why this wiki has EPISODE pages for EVERY SINGLE Once Upon a Time episode as of now, when the show itself already has two different English wikis covering for it, which this wiki actually is affiliated to! Both of them even! Why have so many detail pages when an overview page like this http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time is already having considerably enough general information, and a simple top note: "For more information, please consider visiting our affiliated wikis, The Once Upon a Time Wiki and Storybrooke" would have sufficed? I feel that it is completely absurd that those wikis weren't even mentioned when you are essentially covering what they are meant for; the more pages of the same content this wiki has with them, is really like stealing the more spotlight that would have been theirs. Same goes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which thankfully as of now is not as overly developed as OUaT is.

What I'm saying isn't a new concept at all, you guys did have the decency to have a similar message on this page http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe, and frankly imo (I'm only speaking for myself) this overview page could have been the only MCU page this wiki has, and this wiki would have still survived and done well without all the extra detail pages. You have no idea how disappointing it is to see that 3 of the MCU films are featured on the navigation bars when movies like those aren't:

I'm not saying all those are fantastic movies, and I am aware that some are co-produced with other companies not just Disney alone, but the fact is those movie at least have the distinguish Disney logo on their promotion posters, whereas most of the MCU films do not. Those are the movies that scream "Disney" to me, cuz where else will I be able to find stuff about them, if not here? Yet the bar is showing films that this wiki is one of the last places I would think to check if looking for them. Don't get me wrong, I am extremely satisfied that the films I listed above do indeed all have pages on this wiki, my point is that some spotlights are on stuff that are more MARVEL-ish instead of Disney-ish, which goes back to the question, what direction is this wiki taking? Having stuff that's popular but can be found elsewhere (in various places), or detecting to materials that are more exclusive and mostly can only be found here?

The original question that now seems stupid to bring up
I think by the time I started writing about the OUaT part, I realized the reason that prompted all this seems pointless now lol. But since this is probably my only time participating here, I might as well just let it all out, even when I do recognize how silly it is. I do know that most Disney stuff are based on other stuff; they aren't the original, but because I personally grew up with Disney, when mentioning, say Cinderella, I would link to Disney's Cinderella, and not the original character. I belatedly realized that the only reason the OUaT versions are allowed to be mentioned on the live-action section of the character page, is in fact cuz of ABC's association with Disney. I wasn't thinking about other modern movie adaptations, for that suggestion obviously would be promoting films by other companies; I was thinking about when being referenced in modern literature... completely missing the fact that the original literature counterparts are the ones most likely being used and not the Disney adaptations. I guess for that I'll have to find a wiki dedicated to all fairy tales modern adaptations (which I failed to find as of now).

So yeah. If you manage to actually finish reading this whole lot, I'm grateful for that. If I offended you or this wiki, I'm sorry but stuff said are just my opinion on the matter. I wish you a good day/night (depending on what timezone you're in), and seriously, I mean no harm or malice. Like I said before, I don't think I really need a reply, it's more about the act of sharing thoughts, and I'm happy when I finally finished writing so the stuff can be off my mind lol. 