Talk:Quasimodo/@comment-24933333-20150129031338/@comment-1672596-20150129120553

Yeah, agree with you there. Unfortunately, even direct interaction with the person isn't always enough, especially with people like Hans from Frozen in the world who would gladly put up a show specifically to snooker those who use direct interaction with them and fall for him (like he did to Anna), then cruelly throw them away. Heck, it's also like what Metal Gear basically promotes (namely, there's not really anyone you can trust since they may act all nice yet when the time comes they'll backstab you without any remorse and will gladly do it again when necessary). It may come across as an invasion of privacy and I personally don't agree to it nor do I practice it myself, but stalking and surveillance does at least have the usefulness of weeding out the good people from the bad with surprising accuracy. You know the old saying, "a person's true nature is what they do when they don't think anyone else is looking."

And it's not like I can't recognize people's personalities or true natures beyond physical appearances. Actually, I tried to make sure I perfected it, ironically from learning that from Beauty and the Beast. And I can name at least one person in real life who was ugly on the outside yet beautiful on the inside: Mother Teresa. Unfortunately, the morals pushed usually come with the implication that all people who are ugly on the outside are automatically beautiful on the inside, which is frankly just false and actually very dangerous, even worse than simply falling for someone for their looks. Heck, Jean-Jacques Rousseau basically promoted something effectively similar in nature, the Noble Savage, and what that resulted in was the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror, not to mention this view's claim that humanity isn't born evil but society made them that way.

And hope that suicidal girl didn't go through with it, either. And that black magic girl really needs to either crush her ugly character and actually become good or otherwise get arrested.

Regarding Beauty and the Beast, it worked regarding the dynamic between Beast and Gaston, but beyond that it didn't truly work. That enchantress was more likely than not ugly on the inside as well especially considering she cursed people she knew full well were innocent and truly didn't deserve the curse to begin with under any reason (namely, Chip and his siblings, not to mention the animals present at the castle), not to mention made such that it would have been impossible for anyone to break the curse by making the forest into a dreadful, dangerous place filled with what are most likely demonic wolves (and if the Disney Comics are anything to go by, she actually ruined a perfect opportunity to actually put Beast to the test, thus as a result she nearly got him to commit suicide). Some of the servants, Chip and possibly Mrs. Potts aside, also seemed ugly in their behavior (like Lumiere's womanizing. Sure, it's not as bad as Sartre's, but it's definitely not a good thing despite the film's treatment of it as such, and Human Again makes it worse where he made clear he will continue to do it.). Belle herself came across as being about as bad of a jerk as Gaston in the first half of the film (namely, arrogantly talking badly about the village in the opening song just for their being "provincial," hypocritically decrying Gaston of being the things she herself was being in the opening song, playing a particularly nasty joke on Gaston involving a mudpool, behaving like a jerk to Beast for most of the first day even when the latter at least tried to make amends, deliberately disobeyed the Beast's stipulation on staying out of the West Wing and even nearly destroying Beast's literal lifeline [granted, she didn't know it was his lifeline, but it should have been obvious especially to her that it being underneath a glass jar meant it was not supposed to be touched at all], breaking her end of the deal that SHE made by fleeing the castle, nearly getting herself and Beast killed by wolves, and she blamed HIM for it even when pretty much everything from her breaking into the West Wing up to the wolf attack was largely her fault and doesn't seem to take any responsibility at all for her actions. And even after that, she only seemed to fall for the Beast simply for his library, which is even worse than falling for a guy simply for their looks. Jean Paul Sartre fell for Che in large part because they philosophized with each other, and thanks to that, he swooned Che even when it was as obvious as heck that Che was an unrepentant mass murderer), and even by the second half she stupidly sold out Beast and his servants to a freaking lynch mob led by a guy she deduced orchestrated the arrest of her father under false pretenses to force her hand in marriage, meaning she's unlikely to even be remotely internally beautiful. What's worse, the closest thing she has to actual foils, the Bimbettes, came across in the film and the DP materials as being far more internally beautiful in their behavior than Belle did (to say little on how, despite what the song and Gaston's motives claimed, they actually seemed to outrank Belle, the so-called "most beautiful woman in the village," in terms of physical beauty) and this was despite their crush on Gaston. Thanks to Jeffrey Katzenberg and Linda Woolverton's complete and utter idiocy in trying to shoehorn a feminist message with Belle, all because some people thought Ariel was the worst thing ever just because she actually went for a man, regardless of any proactive things she did during her film, they basically ruined the moral. That's not even getting into the problems posed by how Belle doesn't seem to even discern good books from bad books, especially considering how Glen Keane confirmed the setting to be during the prelude to the French Revolution and thus gives the scarily likely implication that Belle would probably end up joining the Jacobins or other radical groups during the French Revolution, even backstabbing her own lover, Adam, in the process. Honestly, Cinderella and Snow White matched the moral better than Belle did. Heck, even Ariel matched it more from the dynamic of her and Vanessa, and The Little Mermaid wasn't even intended to have a true beauty comes from within message at all. Would it have really killed Woolverton to at LEAST insert foils for Belle who actually did represent being ugly on the inside just to show how Belle is beautiful on the inside by comparison, whether it be actually demonstrating the Bimbettes to be jerks instead of sweethearts (and I don't even like them that much for falling for Gaston, yet I trust them more than Belle who I like more than them), or even including either Belle's wicked sisters or otherwise keeping Aunt Marguerite? Thankfully, they got internal ugliness in the Marvel Comics-serial midquel (even if the comics did make them out of character in the film, particularly how they didn't seem to scheme at all regarding ruining Gaston's failed wedding to spite Belle in the film unlike how they generally did things in the comics), as well as the musical. Belle only seemed to truly be depicted as an actual pure person during the midquels. I definitely know Hunchback of Notre Dame actually was an improvement over Beauty and the Beast regarding actually displaying that moral.