Talk:Zootopia/@comment-27926499-20160330111647/@comment-27926499-20160330154150

@TheBabblingFangirl : Yeah, I can see that.

@Lazy Skeptic : With the first paragraph, you only gave me more reasons to believe why she's an ineffectual villain. She's seemingly rounding up something that would've benefitted to her plan, but by having all these animals captured already, her plan just falls apart. If she wanted Judy to find Lionheart's clinic, wouldn't it make more sense that she would've left.....I dunno....clues along the way, posing as a fakely good-willed, but secretive informer, instead of letting things passively happen ? Hadn't Judy showed up, probably nobody would have investigated deep enough, and the savage animals wouldn't have been seen, and her plan was good as dead.

Second paragraph : I never said anything about mind-controlling them or such. What I meant was keeping all these beasts in a safehouse, a lair of some sort, and when she wanted to, have Doug or the other two rams unleash them : either posing as postmen, milkmen, drop them in an opened cage in a very populated zone. Or even better, for her that is, have Doug snipe people in said populated zones, so that chaos and stuff would happen. You know ? Like real-life terrorists do with bombs. But nope, random people who simply disappeared out of sight.

Her plan falls apart on so many ways, it's preposterous.

"And there could be plenty of reasons why she hated predators, maybe she got bullied as a kid similarly to how Judy was, but while Judy only strengthened her resolve to be better than her bullies, Bellwether may have come the opposite conclusion and resolved to get ridd of the predators and rise to power in the process."

Then HAVE a freaking scene explaining that, so that we could sympathize with her in a first moment, much like with King Candy's 'What if' explanation of what would happen if Vanellope becomes a racer !!! From how the movie puts it out, Bellwether's motivations are Beyond stupid. Don't like Lionheart ? THEN LEAVE THE DAMN JOB ALREADY ! That way, she could have worked at her plan even more actively and secretively, and who knows ? With Lionheart getting the blame, and she confirming his mistreatments, she would have been hailed as a victim and acclaimed as the rightful mayor, after being reinstated to her job. That would have been devious as hell. But no, she hates the Mayor, so she hates predators, then she lazily have a bunch of rejects cook the serum and shoot random people who nobody would find.

"Also, how is the movie cynical? It's about OVERCOMING stuff like prejudice, not telling you that the world is irredeemable."

LOL I said that this movie is a sociopolitical satire more than a noir for a reason. This movie drips of allegory of how shitty modern society is. And sincerely, I don't need a Disney movie for being told that, let alone do I wanna see it. You have scenes like the G.I. Jane/Full Metal Jacket easter egg to hsow how ruthless training for this job is. Judy moving in in the city and commenting on how sh*tty her accomodation is and loving it at first, People disgruntled by fines. The inneficience of bureaucracy. How even the humblest person or the law enforcements can be in cahoots with organized crime whenever they need to, for the sake of getting to a bigger evil (Mr Otterton being Mr. Big's favorite flowerist and Judy working with him as well). Bogo's 4th wall comment on how stupid the old Disney movies are (a trend Disney is hammering down for years as if it's still a thing, because apparently people have to be cynical, mechanical assholes in order to survive). The *ssholishness of co-workers (Clawhauser commenting on how Judy isn't gonna survive her job at their first meeting). And lastly, the shallowness of people nowadays being addicted to irritating, flimsy things like selfies or apps (those Gazelle app scenes just annoyed me to Death).

By making it so overly modern and up-to-date, this movie will age horribly, because on the long term (be it even only 5 years), some things will be only relevant to a certain age and people will look back at it saying "Ugghhhhh This crap used to be a thing ? Thank God things have changed...". See what I'm trying to say ?