Talk:Incredibles 2/@comment-26423071-20180709193253/@comment-26964335-20180714144554

I will agree with ya @King Phelous that Tony was a flat character in both films, but we get to know him a little more about his life in this film compared to the first film (where he only showed up for TWO scenes), I know it's not a whole lot, but at least Tony has something going for him (more than two scenes is a good start).

They are setting Tony up for the third film and I think with that memory of his meeting Violet being reset in the 2nd film, it gives Bird plenty of story options to take his character beyond the one-flat-note that we know him as (him becoming a hero like Winston did in this film would be one way to give Tony some good depth, we know he's a nice guy), just that Bird simply ran out of time trying to develop a proper good side-arc for Violet and Tony in this film because of that one year layoff (if Toy Story 4 hadn't happened, Tony would have been handled far better and we wouldn't be talking about this til one year later).

If we get a third Incredibles (and trust me, Disney will make a third film eventually, hopefully Bob Iger will be gone by then as he was to blame for the way this sequel came out), Romance (as long as it's not going the Toy Story 4's comedic route) and Coming-of-Age (and with a teenager like Violet, it's perfect) are going to be the driving force for the story arc if Violet becomes the main character (which is looking very likely).

What Incredibles 3 needs to do to become the next Toy Story 2:

Make Violet the main character and focus on her going around the world as part of a superhero foreign exchange program (ala Cars 2) in an attempt to make Supers become more popular and known on a global scale, along the way Violet must also find one of the last surviving Supers from the old Glory Days that she thought was dead (and this time, the Parrs don't get tricked by a shady group like they did in the first two films (having that happen in a third film would be really stale), rather Violet gets hired by the NSA and Winston Deavor for the mission (Winston now works alongside the NSA with his new corporation which now sponsors new and old Supers wanting to get a shot at the limelight).

Fix up the errors of Incredibles 2, by wrapping up Bob's and Helen's arcs from that film in a more proper way (while also having them swap roles in being breadwinners (with a bit of mentoring the Wanna-Bes on the side which would give Voyd some serious character development that she lacked in I2) and stay-at home parents (giving Dash a proper arc (of him being jealous of Violet getting selected over him similar to Bob's from the 2nd film only it would be more of a sibling rivarly that's more serious) and at the same time build up on his rather tiny arc of him becoming more smarter on how he uses his powers overall).

Bring back the dark and edgy tone of the first film without overdoing it (every third film that Pixar makes (possibly barring Cars 3) ends up being the darkest entry of the trilogy).

Keep the action and humor from the 2nd film intact (maybe downgrade the Jack-Jack scenes a bit, while also slowly nerfing him over the course of the film as his character arc (which builds up on whst Edna said about him in I2).

Tony has to play a major role in the third film and he can literally be anything beyond the one-flat note character, he has infinite possiblities of directions and this time, Bird must get Tony perfect.

Firoinc HAS to be in the third film as he was mentioned in the first film and was mentioned again in the 2nd film (most likely as the big bad as he resembles Syndrome a bit and would give the Parrs an actual challenge of actually taking down one of their own former heroes gone bad) and have him team up with Evelyn Deavor (who gets redeemed with a better villainous plot and better character development than in I2, maybe even show a softer side of her.)