Thread:Hey1234/@comment-1672596-20180718005209/@comment-1672596-20180718014546

1. Childish roughnecks in the square could mean literally any little boy who was on the square that day, even a little boy reading a book. That's not specific enough for me. If she said "childish roughnecks who frequently play pirates", that would have narrowed things down for me quite a bit.

2. Cinderella was very forgiving to her stepsisters and stepmother, and they treated her worse than those boys did to her. And besides, Belle is the one who said "men are such, such...", which definitely went far beyond the pirate boys even if she WERE talking about them (and again, my idea of specific is she specifically IDs them as the boys who played pirates, not simply "childish roughnecks in the square". That to me could mean kids playing rugby or soccer or kickball or literally any kind of physical activity [you know, being typical boys], not really enough for me to narrow anything down.).

3. While Maurice was the one who finished for her, it was still pretty clear from her overall reaction as well as her reply about there being some exceptions without even denying what Maurice said that she was indeed going to use the term pigs (if she wasn't, she would said, "no, actually, I was going to say that 'men are such jerks', and besides, I suppose there are some exceptions."). And yes, Belle WAS being stupid during the whole mob scene as well. I'm sorry, but when she literally managed to deduce that Gaston was the ringleader of the mob who came to take her father away specifically to blackmail her into marrying him a few seconds beforehand, exposing the Beast and nearly getting him killed is not my idea of "smart" (especially when she most likely would have deduced just from that that Gaston would have tried to kill his potential rival if he even gets any hint that she might have feelings for him. I know if I were in her position, that thought would have crossed my mind exactly.).

4. Yes, actually, she IS a bigot ultimately, just like Gaston was a bigot to the women in the village. And for the record, they were playing pirates, what did you EXPECT them to do, especially knowing what pirates were like? I'd forgive them for being that since I if anything would EXPECT pirates to act that way. And as far as her relationship to the Beast since you mentioned THAT as a comparison point, let me remind you that it was Beast who not only gave her that bedroom of hers, but even went as far as to grant her free access to the castle barring the West Wing, and the latter bit wasn't even Lumiere's suggestion [Lumiere specifically suggested he give her an actual bedroom rather than have her rot in a prison cell, he never said anything about free access to the castle. If he had a Joker-sense of literalness, he would have moved her to the bedroom, yet STILL not granted her access to the castle without his specific say so, not even allow her to open her doors, like how most prisons operate.], meaning that bit was purely of his OWN volition. That was WAY too generous, especially for a guy who, as you pointed out, was supposed to be cold and cruel initially. Not to mention it's heavily implied that a large part of the reason he gave her the bedroom instead of the cell despite initially refusing Lumiere's exact suggestion to do so without even a word was specifically out of guilt for thoughtlessly dragging Maurice away. And during the dinner argument, Beast was the one who had to swallow his pride and, wait for it, politely ask her down to dinner, TWICE, and that was despite clearly not liking the idea of having to act that way. That would have been reason enough for Belle to at least ATTEMPT to give Beast a chance while at the same time not necessarily trusting him. Yet she STILL blew him off, both times, and when the Wardrobe suggested that Belle try to give him a chance, similar to Mrs. Potts', Lumiere's, and Cogsworth's coaching to Beast, she blew her off rudely as well (it's funny, Beast at least listened to them when they tried to coach him in doing so, tried to be polite despite clearly not being happy about having to do so, when he could have just as easily thrown them over and screamed "shut up" in response). He DID attempt to make changes and amends, even before the wolf scene (if he didn't, she wouldn't have even been moved out of the prison cell to a bedroom, and Beast would not have even attempted to try to politely ask her to come down to dinner, despite it obviously being very uncomfortable for him trying to do so.). So no, your example with Beast is actually a bad example, and one that doesn't really work especially regarding the children you cited (and I wouldn't call that abusive. Rough-play, sure, but then again, pirates are supposed to be rough-players. "Abusive" would be more like what Edgar did to his wife in Men in Black, or what Homer does to Bart in The Simpsons.). Now, if you cited, say, Gaston and Belle's relationship, that would have been a far better example to use, especially when unlike the example with Beast, Gaston made absolutely no effort to change at all. In fact, technically, she only started falling for Beast AFTER he gave her the library, since even after the wolf incident, she still seemed to not like him based on her little glare when he asked that she close her eyes, only doing so when he said it's a surprise. And for the record, liking only people who weren't "brainless" while hating brainless people is also by definition bigoted as well. I may not personally find brainlessness particularly good, but on the other hand, I could tolerate it if they show more admirable qualities as well.

And don't think from all of that that I somehow hate Belle or anything. While I do have a severe lack of trust in her right now, to the extent that she's actually my second-least favorite DP when originally she was my #2 favorite, make no mistake, I actually still like her, and if anything it pains me to even speak badly about her at all and actually WANT to like her again, even desperately wish they'd release even a DTV sequel for BATB that redeems her fully regarding the French Revolution, to avert any possible implications of her becoming a Jacobin. [https://disney.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Weedle_McHairybug/Why_I_have_major_problems_with_Belle. I even wrote a blog about it explaining my reasonings, limiting myself strictly to the original film, not any expanded universe materials or Special Editions, including the prequel comic I cited, per a request by one of the users], and I've even went as far as to post photos of my most treasured toy as a child on that same blog to prove my sincerity of my claims. Heck, even though I trust The Bimbettes more than her currently, I don't exactly like them at all (though that being said, I'm more aloof to them).