Talk:Pete/@comment-26954125-20150903085708

This is a pretty good article on Pete overall. But I think some things aren't very accurate such as Pete's relationship with Donald Duck. The article claims that their relationship is "extremely abusive" and even goes so far to say that Donald is the "most fearful of Pete" and that he seems to be Pete's "punching bag." All false.

LOL! First of all, Pete's been much more physically abusive to Oswald, Mickey and Goofy than he has to Donald who he actually seems to show the most patience to (most of the time, at least). This seems to be in part because he acknowledged that Donald's not only the youngest of Mickey's friends but even calls him an "enfant terrible" in "Timber" (1941) which is French for "terrible child."

A good example that highlights this would be to compare how Pete treats Oswald in "Sky Scrappers" (1928), how he treats Mickey in "Building a Building" (1933) and how he treats Donald in "The Riveter" (1940). In both "Sky Scrappers" and "Building a Building," Pete actually beats up Oswald and Mickey respectively, but in "The Riveter," he's impressed with Donald's spunk, hires him, shows a good deal of restraint in harming Donald and only finally tries to attack Donald when the duck failed his job many times and accidentally gets Pete's food and cigar destroyed.

Even in "Officer Duck" (1939) which the article above uses as an example to prove Pete's abuse towards Donald, Pete (going by Tiny Tom) again seems impressed by Donald's initial spunk in demanding to see "the little guy" and although Pete's armed with a gun, he at first tells Donald that "he ain't home" and merely puts him in a clothesline to "scram." It's only when Donald goes back that Tiny Tom opens fire on him! And it's not so much against Donald personally rather than the fact that Tiny Tom hates "coppers." But Pete initially, was willing to let Donald go even though he was a cop.

And in "Timber" (1941) too, Pete (seemingly French Canadian and going by Pierre) shows a lot of restraint. He sees and allows Donald to steal quite a bit of his food, even giving Donald ''a sausage! It's only when the duck keeps stealing his food after he already took enough ''that Pete tricks Donald by giving him dynamite and even then, allows Donald to work for him in exchange for food. And just like "Officer Duck" and "The Riveter," Pete only openly tries to attack Donald when Donald seemingly messed up many times.

Even in Mickey Mouse's "The Dognapper" (1934) which I think was the first time Pete met Donald Duck, Pete gets a bigger gun than Donald's, so big that it fits Donald's entire arm in the barrel and instead of firing it at Donald, he just flips the little duck over to a ladder...but he does fire multiple times at Mickey!

Then, there were Donald and Pete's war cartoons....where yes, Pete could be quite the pain and very strict, but he also shows a great deal of patience and discipline in handling Donald. In "Donald Gets Drafted" (1942), Pete again shows restraint when Donald accidentally ruins Pete's tie and even offers to give him special training which is just showing Donald how to salute and march properly. Pete only gets impatient after multiple failed attempts and only threatens to attack Donald after the duck threatens to desert! In "Sky Troopers" (1942), Pete is even more patient and even fair. He only punishes (by making him peel more potatoes) when the duck accidentally ruins Pete's sargeant hat but says that when Donald is finished with that pile, he could fly. Pete follows through and tests Donald's equilibrium and even amuses himself by tricking him into thinking his much bigger finger is Donald's finger. And even after Donald accidentally pokes his butt with a pin, Pete just decides to trick him by volunteering him to go parachuting instead of outright attacking him. Donald had a parachute and would've been safe...Pete, however, didn't have one). And finally, there was "The Old Army Game" (1943) where Pete wanted to punish Donald for going AWOL for a night but then both he and Donald think Pete accidentally cut him in half! Pete freaks out and shows extreme remorse saying, "It's all my fault!" and he actually cries for Donald saying "Poor little fellow! He's so sweet!" He then only gets extremely upset and tries to attack Donald because he thinks the duck was only faking getting hurt to get out of his punishment (which Donald wasn't...he really believed he lost half of his body and even thought about shotting himself in the head!). 

And again contrary to the article, in the more recent episodes with Donald and Pete, ''Donald is shown to be the least afraid of Pete! ''In fact, Donald was the least afraid of Pete in the past espidoes as well since he was the only one to ever initially challenge Pete (which usually impressed him) such as in "Officer Duck" and "The Riveter" whereas before then, Oswald and Mickey were initally afraid and only challenged Pete after he started harassing Ortensia and Minnie respectively. But Donald's defiance of Pete was even more pronounced in the "House of Mouse," "Housesitters" "Music Store Donald" and even in the "Mickey Mouse Clubhouse" series, Donald is usually the very first to confront Pete who only manages to get the better of Donald due to Donald's bad luck or Pete's clever scheming but rarely in a straight out fight.

In "Housesitters," Donald was the first one to grab a gun and try to attack Pete (after Pete had literally kicked him, Mickey and Goofy out of the outhouse) before Mickey stopped him. And in "Music Store Donald," Pete and Donald actually initially sleep together in instrument cases and leave each other alone and only get competitive after their boss announces only one will be able to keep their jobs. And when Pete tries to attack Donald but gets overhwhelmed with his beautiful harp playing, he faints in Donald's arms, tries to kiss him and then both he and Donald try to attack each other with Donald actually grabbing him by the shirt and about to punch him before Daisy interrupts him. Finally, in the House of Mouse episode, "Donald's Pumbaa Prank," Pete sympathetizes with Donald after Mickey's joke humiliates Donald and offers to help him. But when Donald realizes that his prank will shut down the club, he stops Pete and when Pete tries to stop him, Donald easily brushes him aside.

In the "Mickey Mouse Clubhouse" series, not only is Pete nicer to Mickey and the gang in general, but he and Donald in particular seem to be quite close in the later episodes and go out of their way to spend time with each other and even team up many times together! Examples include:

*"Donald's Lost Lion" - Pete and Donald find each other's lost stuffed animals and return them

*"Donald's Special Delivery" - Pete who usually charges Mickey and his friends for every little thing, gives them three free stamps once he finds out it's for cheering up Donald and asks Mickey to "Tell ol' Quackers (his special nickname for Donald) I said hi!"

*Pete's Beach Blanket Luau" - Pete invites Mickey and friends for a luau and jokes with Donald ( though Donald isn't really amused) and then cheers Donald on when the duck surfs a wave

*"Sir Goofs-a-lot" - Pete is a princess ahd hugs Goofy who's a knight but Pete thinks is her prince, but when Goofy leaves Pete then hugs Donald who's a troubador and pulls him off screen to kiss

*"Goofy's Magical Mix-up" - Donald initially refuses to allow Goofy or Pete do magic since their magic messed everything up in the first place but then changes his mind and both Goofy and Pete thank him and shake his hands enthusiastically

*"Daisy's Grasshopper" - Daisy and friends are looking for her grasshopper and spend the day hopping, but then Pete comes and asks them all if they want to go fishing. Daisy says no, but then Pete turns specifically to Donald and asks if he wants to go, but Donald (who already spent the day sailing before) says no and Pete just smiles and leaves


 * "Donald of the Desert" - Donald finds a lamp and Pete who's a genie offers to give him a wish. Donald wishes for sand, but Pete says that there's already sand in the desert and to save his wish for something special to which Donald later uses it to free Pete. And Pete shake his hand in gratitide and hugs him! 


 * "Super Goof's Super Puzzle" - Donald and Daisy are Pete's assistants and help him with his puzzles


 * "Donald's Clubhouse" - Donald tells Pete that it's his clubhouse now to which Pete responds," Donald's Clubhouse, eh? Hm. Sounds kinds catchy." Then, he joins in with the friends in cheering for Donald.


 * "Mickey's Mouskersize" - Donald helps Pete get back in shape by helping him row a boat


 * "Prince Pete's Catnap" -Donald, who's a troubadour again, offers to lure Buzz Buzz the bee away so Pete can sleep


 * "Donald the Genie" - Donald finds Pete's lamp again and wishes to be a genie too. But his wishes don't go as planned and he goes back to Pete for help but Pete sadly tells him that though he'd love to help, he already used up his wish.


 * "Minnie's Pajama Party" - when Pete arrives he first chooses to sleep in between Goofy and Donald but then Willie the Giant arrives and they choose to sleep outside, Pete chooses to sleep next to Donald


 * "Mickey's Farm Fun-Fair" - Donald and Pete team up for the egg race and when Donald has trouble with the strength test (due to his bad luck [inanimate objects hate him] rather than lack of strength) Pete offers to help him but then accidentally sends him flying into a tree for which then he apologizes and Donald slides down into Pete's arms


 * "Super Adventure" - Pete saves Donald from being kicked by Mortimer


 * "Mickey's Clubhouse Rocks" - Donald asks Pete if he could join his band to which Pete says yes and Donald hugs him! And when Donald accidentally breaks Pete's drumsticks, Pete doesn't even blame him. He says, "I know you mean well Quackers but my drumsticks are busted and now I can't play" But then at the end, when Mickey and Minnie let Donald play, Pete cheers Donald on.


 * "Donald Jr." - Pete thinks Donald shrunk but Donald gets offended and tells him that it's his son and not him. Pete says he can see the resemblence and asks if Donald can toss him bowling pins to do his trick and Donald agrees.


 * "Mickey's Mousekaball" - Pete frees Donald from a plunger


 * "Sport-a-thon" - Pete and Donald are TV sport anchors together! There's even one part where Pete accidentally punctures the glove balloon they're both in and they go flying so Donald latches onto Pete who does his best to protect them both! So cute!  Donald is also awarded the biggest medal to which Pete congratulates him.

Also, throughout the series, Pete also seems to have a fascination with ducks. He loves rubber ducks (as shown in "Sea Captian Mickey") and likes to call real ducks and their cousin, the speckled belly goose (like in "Donald Jr.")

Whew! Those are the main ones I can think of where Donald and Pete get along very well even going so far as to team up together! But the moment where Pete turns too sneaky and scheming, Donald's usually the first one to oppose him. When Pete used to charge Mickey and friends and collect tolls, Donald was the first one to try to fight him. And in "Donald the Frog Prince," "Space Adventure," and "Pirate Adventure" just to name a few, Donald is also the first to be suspicious and even try to fight Pete...though Pete never really retaliates.

And of course, let's not forget the new Mickey Mouse series! In "Tapped Out" (2014), Mickey and friends are watching world wrestling champion Pete win. In the beginning, Donald actually roots for Pete and laughs when Pete hurts a fellow wrestler It also seems he's gone to Pete's matches before since he was the only one not to flinch away every time Pete hits the cow and was the only one prepared with an umbrella when the cow spatters milk everywhere! Donald even refuses to intervene after Pete beats up Goofy or even when Mickey begs him for help as Pete is about to pummel him! It's only when Mickey tricks Pete into ruining Donald's nachos that the ''duck goes ballistic and thrashes Pete, turning into a literal fireball and scorching him! ''

So yeah....Donald is hardly afraid of Pete and is certainly NOT Pete's "punching bag." The only times when Pete truly came close to physically beating up the duck was in "Canvas Back Duck" (1953) which Donald actually won (...albeit due to a lucky punch) and "Donald's Charmed Date (2001) where Pete makes a cameo and actually punches Donald when a stray baseball hits him in the head. Then, there were the specials "Donald's Award" (1957) which shows Pete being angry that Donald had broken his leg when he got divine powers in "Trombone Trouble (1944). He throws darts at Donald's picture and says that he'd "blacken his eyes" if Donald was there (Donald then calls him a hog as he listens in from the roof). But then, he says that the "trouble with that duck is that he just don't like good jazz." And it should be noted that in that special, even Pluto and Daisy had bad things to say about him. Finally, there was "This Is Your Life, Donald Duck" (1960) where Pete's war commands seem to have a psychological effect on Donald and he gets dizzy from following Pete's orders so fast. Pete, though happily greets him but when he pats him on the back too hard, Donald goes flying into a wall! Donald though, gets angry and tries to fight Pete but Pete refuses to be goaded into a fight and just sits Donald down on the chair of honor! But other than these Pete rarely gets a chance to physically fight Donald. But as the newest series  proves, Donald can give as good as he gets!

So that's that. I just wanted to prove that part of the article wrong and hope that they fix it. Pete's relationship with Donald seems to be the most versatile, interesting and dynamic. Pete usually gets physically abusive with Oswald and Mickey (who he's brutally beaten in a few black and white cartoons) and he's gotten pretty physical with Goofy in the "Goof Troop" series. But his relationship with Mickey and Goofy are more flat because Mickey is usually seen as the "hero" and due to Word of God in the newer cartoons, always has to win. And although Pete had a softer side in "Goof Troop," he's usually always being manipulative and rude to an oblivious Goofy. And Pete only recently seems to have stooped physically assaulting Mickey because he seems to respect Mickey's authority and position as leader of the "club" or the actual Disney company.

But with Donald...Pete can be the villain or victim and he usually shows Donald the most patience and in turn, Pete seems to be one of the few that Donald actually listens to. Due to their war past and similar temperment and personalities, their relationship is much more complicated. They seem to be the two physically strongest of Mickey's group and have the most in common: they were both in WWII, they both love napping and hammocks, they love boats and fishing, they love food, they love fighting, they both used to smoke cigars, and they both have bad tempers. If anything, it seems like they have a big brother/little brother relationship but while Donald's little brother status with Mickey is more of an often friendly sibling rivalry and with Goofy it's more like a Ditzy big brother or even wise big brother relationship (Goofy sometimes has to expain certain things to Donald), with Pete it's more like an Aloof Big Brother or rough house big brother/little brother relationship. But in their older cartoons, Pete did try to teach Donald responsibility and discipline.

So please fix the article where it references Pete's relationship to Donald! Their relationship is one of the most unique, interesting and dynamic! There really should be more cartoons made for those two together! They had the most in common and Pete usually showed the most patience to Donald, knowing he was the youngest! I hope this helped everyone understand their relationship better! :)