Talk:Zootopia/@comment-27926499-20160330111647/@comment-27997791-20160331194055

I don't remember the movie verbatum, but it seems pretty clear she intended to get Nick to kill Judy. I saw the movie twice and that was certanly what it seemed like, unless my memory is really bad. What else was she possibly trying to do? Again, I don't remember every word she said, but I'm almost positve she didn't state or imply she was doing anything else, having Nick kill Judy makes perfect sense, why would she not want him to do that? And what even makes you think she had any lethal weapon with her anyway? I only ever got the impression that she intended to silence them by having one of them go insane and kill the other, making it look like and accident and furtheirng her agenda in the process.

The wiki page on Bellwether seems to agree with me "Though Bellwether made an attempt to have Judy join her side, she instead results to turning Nick savage so that he will kill Judy, and the entire situation will look like another savage outbreak demonizing predators."

And she wouldn't have to turn every predator savage to get people to hate them, (according to ehr wiki page she may have said that, but even if she did I don't think she'd have needed to go that far, nor does it seem like it've been practical) as soon as only a small portion of predators went insane and no prey ever went insane, it'd be enough to convince the public that predators were inheritly dangerous and untrustworth (yes, it's pretty simplistic, not to mentione the fact that people should be able to figure out that since the whole predators going savage thing is relatively recent, it can't really be inherit and is at most triggered by some other factor, but it's a PG movie, the point is that she's trying to villify predators), you don't have to make all of them go insane for prey to feel unsafe enough to refuse to live with them and shun them. If you lived in a world where even just some left-handed people randomly went bezerk and injured/killed people with no warning, you'd be pretty nervous around left-handed people, assuming you aren't one (and assuming it was really easy to see who was and wasn't left-handed). (Either way, if she did indeed say she intended to dart all predators as it says on her page, she was apperently ready to go however far she needed to, so I don't think there is a case to be made for her being "conscious of taking things too far.")

As for darting Nick, again, WHY would she do that? Nick and Judy were not threats to her at that point as far as she knew. And Doug was the shot, he was the one who had been given a target, why'd he suddenly shoot some random fox instead? Yes, they did just learn that something called "night howler " was invovled, but Doug is a sniper, not someone with super hearing over distance, he had no clue they were talking about night howlers, or to what extent they knew what that was. Assuming he even saw Nick and Judy, (I don't remember the layout too clearly but) given the angle he was shooting Manchas at through that window, he might not even have seen the protagonists. Also, IF he knew they were there AND wanted them dead, darting Manchas seems like the best way to do it anyway, considering how he clearly was the biggest and potentially most dangerous predator around, so nothing in this scene could be proof for anything either way.

Again, yeah, realistically it'd made more sense if Bellwether had at least put the gun back in the case before the police arrived, or had some of her henchmen run away with it, so to not be seen with it, but that's mostly just a little plot hole, a nitpick, it doens't make sense for her to allow herself to be seen with it, but I just chalk up her not hiding it to drama, so that the imegary of her being caught red handed is stronger. The cart was way down in the other end of the museum down in the abandoned subway. Why would they even bother to go down there, considering how they would have had every reason to belive this was just an accident with a savage animal, not some tricky crime that needs any furhter investigation. And even if they did find the cart, it was CLEARLY implied to have been destroyd beyond the point where it could be linked to anyone, the sheep could simply claim they knew nothig about any burning subway carts.

And again, we have no reason to think Bellwether ever held a real gun in her life, or that firearms actually even exist in this world. (And besides, if she wanted to have Nick and Judy murdered directly, she could've had the rams beat the to death, they were clearly stornger) But again, why would she? She had every reason to belive Nick would go insane (thus rendering him unable to testify to anything) and kill Judy(tying up all loose ends), it would've happened if they hadn't swapped the poison pellets. What need did she ever have to kill them directly when she could simply do what she tried to do?

As for the fact that she had access to cameras, I had not thought about that, you're right that she SHOULD be aware of what had happened to the predators she was trying to get rampaging, but that's probably just a plot hole, or she knew and the plot hole was instead in the question of why she didn't sabotage lionhearts operation. Then again, who's to say she didn't try to do that, maybe some of those missing mammals were people who had been asigned to work on keeping things quiet.

Also, the question about the cameras kinda brings up the additional question of why they ever had trouble finding any of the missing mammals, implying either that it is indeed a big plot hole, or that the camera network isn't as impressive as it seemed. And wouldn't the best way to progress her plan be to let Nick and Judy uncover Lionhearts conspiracy anyway, I still don't see why she'd try to do anything against Judy at this point. Also, darting Judy would be pretty counter-productive to her agenda of making people believe PREDATORS were dangerous, it'd put a crack in the whole narrative.

As for the possibility of people having died in the previous infections, I'm not sure what you're even implying.

BTW, it's pretty late where I live, and I'm pretty tired, so I can't quite garantee everything in this comment came out making sense, though I hope it did.