Talk:Ariel/@comment-24238780-20141211180549/@comment-1672596-20141218234358

"She tried to save Eric and Triton, true, but that scene is barely a minute long and she does get her way at the end, so it doesn't really matter. I don't even actually agree about that she learned anything while trying to save these two: she tried to stop things getting out of her control, but I can't see her trying to correct her own mistakes at all. Also, I don't think she is stupid. She clearly has intelligence, but her almost blind following of goal isn't good. The same way we can tell that Scar just followed his dream of becoming the king and that causing all of the trouble to get his goal doesn't matter. Yes, I know that those are two totally different things, but the concept is mostly the same thing: Scar and Ariel chased their goals, caused troubles and won, but didn't learn anything or changed themselves. "

If that's the case, you can say that the concept was the same with Belle (especially nearing the end where she clearly sold out the Beast and his servants to a congregated mob), heck, ANY hero that pursues their dreams.

Oh, and for the record, not even in concept (not even mostly) is Ariel even remotely similar to Scar. Did Scar tell Simba to get out of there and save himself? Did Scar try to avenge Mufasa? No! Heck, he deliberately tried to have both of them killed, and succeeded with the latter. Scar was more similar to Ursula, even down to concept. And actually telling Eric to save himself at the expense of herself, not to mention immediately trying to avenge King Triton, proves she did learn her lesson. Otherwise, especially with Triton, she'd be more content with them being killed, even taking amusement in their deaths. Think how Kuzco was like in the beginning of The Emperor's New Groove (especially when interacting with Pacha at the start of the film, where it was clear that not only did he not even care what happened to Pacha's village, he almost reveled in the very likelihood that they'd end up homeless from his selfish desire for a summer getaway).