Talk:Hans/@comment-1765692-20150319042816/@comment-1672596-20150320133555

"Decent foreshadowing, Weedle? By that, you mean putting up a big neon sigh that says "HE'S THE VILLAIN". So I guess you must really hate Citizen Kane, huh? After all, they could have had more decent foreshadowing that it was his sled. Not that it matters, now that everyone knows it was his sled. How about Psycho? Yeah, that would have been greatly improved if we knew all along that Norman Bates had a split personality. Or how about this: Every murder mystery story ever should have "decent foreshadowing" (i.e. dress the killer in all black, give them a deep dark voice, and make them look as sinister as possible) to spare us the shock of finding out that the victim was killed by his own loving wife."

That's not what I meant. What I meant was they leave behind some slight bread crumbs that point that he might not be a good guy, yet at the same time, it actually does come across as a twist regardless. For example:

Clayton from the Tarzan movie was shown to be somewhat decent, if a slight bit of a jerk. However, it isn't until Tarzan actually shows the British researchers the Gorilla group that Clayton very briefly shows his true colors (namely, his sinisterly checking off a list).

Another example is in Atlantis: The Lost Empire with Roark. When we first meet him, he actually appeared to be an upstanding, decent man. In fact, his villainy was only briefly foreshadowing in the beginning when they give some portraits of the people helming the expedition, as the left side of Roark was obscured by the financier of the operation (which meant his bio was obscured).

I'm talking about that kind of foreshadowing, or as Homer put it: "They will if you set up that the dog is evil. All you do is have to show him doing this. [lowers eyelids and glances around in shifty-eyed fashion] The people will suspect the dog."

And I never even once requested that someone "change their username" because it made me feel uncomfortable. I could check for you though just to be sure.

And for the record, Hans was at least being honest about his rough life under his siblings, considering that various Disney official materials such as his bio and even the creator of the film confirmed it to be true. Are you going to claim that SHE'S a consummate liar then? Besides, that's just one of the symptoms. Another symptom is that sociopaths lack remorse, something Hans clearly didn't lack in the ending of his film, where he actually was looking like felt bad when being escorted to his cell. Had he actually been remorseless, he'd be ranting for revenge against Anna or Elsa, or worse, actually laughing it off and taking it in stride, not even caring if he is going to be punished. Also, if the point of the second film is to redeem him, that means he's not a sociopath because in order to have redemption, you actually NEED to feel remorse and try to make up for a bad action. And please don't claim that it's not extreme, because it's not. The Joker actually matched all the steps and identifiers of being a sociopath, and in fact psychologists actually require that you need to have most if not all of them filled out.