Talk:Mulan (2020 film)/@comment-27373870-20180728212006/@comment-4889892-20180802141335

You have no right to tell me that I don't know anything about Chinese history. I've been studying it for years, especially the Tang dynasty. I already admitted to the movie having horrible reception in China and of course they are going to make the live action more serious. You can have a more serious dragon. Oh, and there is a fan base for Jar Jar as with Mushu, so let's not go there. China definitely has made a variety of Mulan films, operas, and dramas. I've seen the 60s version, the 2009 version, at least some of the 2013 drama, while waiting for Peace in Chang'an to be released in December (there is a character named Li Mulan, although it's actually Princess Pingyang by historical context. Yeah, Chinese studios have their historical inaccuracies too in the light of creativity.) I've seen at least 3 Mulan cartoons that came out in 1998 (none from China, but as you can see I'm accustomed to different versions of the story and have enjoyed them each in their own way. Still, the Disney version is my favorite.) They differ from one another, but we are talking about a Disney version. Disney should focus on it's own version, not a totally different version that could be made by any other studio. If they are changing the story to please fans, it seems they've made a big mistake. The film on it's own might be great, but when you go around calling it a remake, people expect the story to be more or less the same.

1. I know about the Gokturks. They are believed to be descended from the Xiongnu. Replacing Shanyu with Bori Khan doesn't seem like a bad idea in this case. He could retain a lot of Shanyu's attributes. Shanyu's name isn't even a proper name but a title, so this could've been taken as a great elaboration on the film. Instead, another villain was chosen for the lead.

3. So, if we're waiting until the film comes out to give any critique, you can't just assume the Chen Honghui has such a kind heart. I'm still going to watch the movie and I may like it, but nonetheless, it is another version entirely. I can't find myself considering it to be Disney's Mulan.

4. Speaking of historical context, Confucianism has likely been beaten into Shang's head all his life. He's not sexist, he's not a perfect hero, he's realistic. To think of women in power is a new concept to him, which he doesn't oppose, but is surprised at. It takes a lot to go against the values you were raised with, but when you do that shows your true feelings about them (assuming you don't regret it, which Shang didn't. He clearly wanted to punch Chi Fu when he said: "but she's a woman. She'll never be worth anything!" He clearly wanted to defend her from the Emperor's judgment.) And like you said, he just lost his father. His thinking isn't going to be 100% clear. He may mask it for the war, but there's only so long you can hide your feelings without having an outburst.

5. A witch in a supposedly historically accurate war movie? I think the Mushu fanbase is larger than the amount of Mushu haters.