Talk:Palpatine/@comment-27525272-20190419175114/@comment-1672596-20190425003424

"All right, so Palpatine could have staged the whole thing to improve the Republic, but once he became Chancellor, he could have kept it that way and probably either run for re-election once his term was up or made sure the Republic retained its sanity, instead of starting a whole nother war."

Technically, that was the first war in a millennium, not simply another war. And quite frankly that war was ultimately a necessary evil since the galaxy needed a military to defend itself from an invading force.

"Also the Jedi aren't evil, as far as they know the Sith are evil, and while Palpatine pretended to Anakin that the Sith and the Jedi were the same, if he really wasn't evil he could have tried to explain to Mace that he was trying to decorrupt the system."

Ah, let's see, the Jedi taught that only Sith deal in absolutes, that truth depends on a point of view and is never absolute, basically taught that you should essentially rejoice in someone dying a painful death, that they should not have any attachments to family or loved ones (which if taken to its logical conclusion, implicitly condones killing your master/Padawan simply to ensure you don't give in to any attachments at all), that caring for the well being of others to such an extent that you're willing to save them from death should it be within your ability means you're essentially a greedy monster, among other things, and even took kids away from parents at a young enough age that they can't even REMEMBER their parents a'la Napoleon's dogs in George Orwell's Animal Farm, not to mention with the one exception they allowed at that time, Anakin Skywalker, they made absolutely NO attempt to retrieve Anakin's mom, free her from slavery, and put her in a safe environment. The only characters I've seen who practiced all of the above were generally villains.

"Again, the senseless murder of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, they did nothing against the Empire, they were just there."

Well, technically, Owen spat on some Stormtroopers when they tried to question him. And besides, we never actually saw the Stormtroopers do that (and the equipment and how blasters generally operate don't cause the amount of destruction that happened to them). For all we know, Boba Fett did it.

"And unlike the Jedi, he sacrifices his pawns like Count Dooku when they're no longer of use to him. He even killed his master in his sleep, would Obi-Wan have done that to Qui-Gon once he'd learned all he needed to learn from him?"

A pretty big component of the Jedi Code is forbidding its members to hold attachments (and from what's shown in the Prequel Trilogy, even family bonds count as attachments). Were I a jedi, and I adhered to "no attachments", I'd probably kill my master, my apprentice, heck, even my own equal just to ENSURE I don't form even the slightest form of attachments to them, try to keep it from being personal. Want to know why I'd do that? Simple: Because that's exactly the same philosophy that Albert Wesker, Galenth Dysley/Barthandelus, even The Boss practiced regarding attachments (not to mention her son Ocelot, who's arguably even more treacherous than Wesker). So, yes, if Obi-Wan is to take "no attachments" to its most logical conclusion, he most certainly WOULD kill his master, asleep or awake, heck, his master probably would do the same to him in his shoes. "No attachments" kind of requires you do that. Want to know what people who don't practice attachments generally are? Double-crossers.

"Luke was told to kill Vader because Vader was a powerful figure in the Empire who killed younglings, even if Palpatine hadn't intended that to happen, that would mean Vader did it of his own accord. Still Luke tried to reform Vader instead of killing him, and succeeded."

And the Jedi didn't slaughter Sith younglings? Yeah, I think The Old Republic would beg to differ. The Old Republic, and the Jedi by extension, hired Revan to take down the Sith Empire, and planned with the Foundry to wipe out 97.8% of the Empire by having extermination droids target those with Sith ancestry. That kind of requires exterminating younglings as well.