Talk:Claude Frollo/@comment-32119671-20180311012516/@comment-1672596-20180501022200

"Also according to the Bible God is incapable of lying meaning if the day was Monday and he said it was Tuesday it would be that day. So I'm assuming it is the same way with Sodom and Gomorrah was evil, to begin with. and he was just confirming that it was. As far as we know God can rewrite time physics and even people with words so God is incapable of doing evil according to the Bible. on the outside though it might seem evil. But that is a different argument for another time."

If he were truly incapable of lying, this would have been how the exchange would have gone when Abraham tried to barter with God.

"Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will exterminate them without even a second thought!

Abraham remained standing before the LORD. Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? Far be it from you to do such a thing -- to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

The LORD said, "Don't even bother trying to barter with me, weak mortal! I am your Lord, God! I am all-knowing, not to mention all-powerful, you're a mere insect before me! I have known, and seen, since before I even created this world, that Sodom and Gomorrah, barring Lot and his family, has no innocents! You can try to ask if I'll spare it for 50, 45, 40, 30, 20, heck, even 10, and my answer will remain the same: No innocents are present in Sodom and Gomorrah, save for Lot and his family. Since you dared try to even stand on equal footing before me, dared make the foolish decision to even try to barter before someone who is superior to you in every way, I will make you see things my way!"

Then the LORD proceeded to bombard Abraham with mental images of the exact state of sinful affairs with unrestrained rage, with Abraham being overwhelmed at witnessing all the sins known to the LORD being channeled right to him, with Abraham, realizing the LORD was being fully honest of what his plans were and what Sodom and Gomorrah's actions were truly like, being so broken that he could barely even stand, or even react to his surroundings. The LORD then proceeded to order his angels to commence the destruction, and then turned to Abraham and, with a smirk on his face, said "yes, wallow in the helplessness as you should before me, I am all good, and you, being a son of Adam, are trash waiting to be destroyed, especially after you tried to barter with me. You exist solely to obey my every whim and not question ANY of my decisions!" Then Lot and his daughters appeared out of thin air. "But don't worry", said the LORD, "I made sure to teleport Lot and his daughters out, just for you. For I am also a merciful God, as merciful as I allow myself to be anyway. Lot's wife won't be making it, though, as I already predicted she'll end up staying behind due to a conflict of interest!"

That's what being honest, and by extension, being incapable of lying is truly like, NOT his whole "I'll spare it for fifty people", when he knew full well there weren't fifty or even ten innocents. Lying means willfully and knowingly misrepresenting facts, and what God did with his claim there WAS misrepresent facts, since he knew full well that there weren't any of that. Heck, him even stating he needed to investigate the city made very clear he was lying since, if he's all knowing, he had no need to investigate the city since he'd know before time immemoriam what would happen (want to know what omniscience means? Basically it means that before an omniscient being, "your plans are invalidated even before execution"). If I were to be fully honest, I'd give every detail in the most cutting manner, not caring if someone is hurt in the process, and in fact, I'd think hurting people is PRECISELY the point of being honest.

And BTW, anything that is against what the Ten Commandments decreed, or even what Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers decreed, is by definition EVIL, so when God does stuff that's in explicit violation of the rules he made in the first place, he by definition did very evil things, and by definition, I of course mean God's definition. And besides, even the Old Testament specifically said that God "relented" of the evil he intended to unleash on a community when they went back to his ways, meaning, yes, God himself IS capable of evil despite being omnibenevolent.