Thread:Bawi678/@comment-1672596-20180912123318/@comment-1672596-20180913205107

"I had never stated that they didn't have a role in French Revolution. And I don't think that debating about whatever Enlightement philosophers were or weren't plotting has got much with the topic. And I doubt that basing historical KNOWLEDGE solely on Catholic websites is always the best idea. It's nothing bad in having untypical OPINIONS, but FACTS are neutral. "

To be fair, I didn't base it solely on Catholic websites (Timothy Dwight wasn't a Catholic, either, if anything he was a protestant. If anything, the fact that a Protestant agrees with New Advent's take on the whole thing would suggest that, if anything, it's closer to actually BEING fact). And while it ultimately doesn't have any direct ties to Belle (hence why I moved it to your wall), it does ultimately deal with the actual setting in BATB.

"Well, I'm attending mass weekly (and these all holidays) too, and I know that. I meant, maybe in US it looks different, but in my country there isn't very much Bible in one's personal worship (I'm taking about ordinary believer, not clergry), compared to Protestants. And I had written that not every nun necessarily were literate, not that they weren't allowed to gain some educations - that means, I imagine there were monasteries somewhere in the villages where nuns were concentred mainly at working, and not all of them were able to read Bible themselvels. Monks' situation was perhaps better."

Problem is, the only way to actually BE literate IS to be educated, even if it's education from the home. Sure, maybe Catholics don't try to parrot the bible, but they most certainly are LITERATE in it, ie, they are actually CAPABLE of reading it. And BTW, well, I'm not actually female anyways, but had I been a nun, and I were to go into the order, I'm pretty sure I would have been MADE to read the bible in order to more effectively follow the religion.

"Yes I know that, but I meant women hadn't got the same laws as men, or many laws at all."

Ah, yes, actually, they DID have the same laws as men, not to mention many laws at all. "Don't steal", "don't commit adultery", "don't commit murder", "respect your spouses", "honor your parents". Last I checked, those are laws, and BOTH sexes had to adhere to them absolutely.

"Yes, but it didn't happen instantly. Like "Oh, a new epoque just started - we're all liberal and progressive". French Revolution happened at the end of XVIII-th century, and Belle's towns were somewhere in the middle of a province - new didn't came particulary fast. And about Jacobins, please don't insult my fauvorite princess. We don't know that. We don't know "what if". I believe that Disney world events were different than RL events. Besides, even if I'm totally disagreeing with someone, I try to respect him\her. And wasn't Rousseau a Catholic?"

Technically, Belle's village was in the Alsace-Lorraine region (and I know about the distance, and how things don't happen instantaneously, but they certainly occurred in a matter of days or weeks, months at most. And believe me, it needed to happen at that short of a time for the massacres and mob insanity to number that much in four years, five tops, and that's not even counting Napoleon and his conquests.). And I'm not insulting your favorite princess either. Heck, if anything, I don't even WANT to imagine Belle becoming a Jacobin either (and in fact, until about 2011 when I had a start of a string of horrible college professors, I actually looked up to Belle as my Number 2, with Ariel being first place. Heck, one of my most treasured toys as a child was in fact a Belle toy.), but guess what? Thanks to reading up on history and seeing how a lot of the guys who advocated for revolution and/or directly caused them had the exact same intelligent reputation as Belle, I can't even avoid the gnawing implication that she might in fact become that, and I don't like it one bit either. And I can't ask Linda Woolverton and have THAT issue addressed because, unfortunately, she has NO way of actually contacting her. The only other person I could possibly ask was Paige O'Hara, and although I DID find her at ComicCon Atlanta as one of the guests, it unfortunately wasn't a meet and greet, so I literally couldn't ask her about that bit (and believe me, going by how the guy who played Stottlemeyer in Monk indicated that he served in Vietnam, or how Malcolm McDowell indicated that his character in Heroes, Lindenberg, had a "very bad childhood" and how that was ultimately proven in a later season, I'm pretty sure Paige O'Hara had some ideas on Belle's character). And unfortunately, considering they already cited historical events as the setting, not to mention name-dropped specific events such as the Baroque period, heck, even had a tobacco shop in the village, it's pretty clear that the historical elements are at least mostly the same. And I AM trying to respect you as well. I certainly didn't name-call you or make fun of your parents, or heck, even make death threats to you (and believe me, I've had to endure THAT a few times by people on the web, on various wikis and internet forums.). If I were to disrespect you or your views, I would have made SURE to name-call you or state egregiously false negative stuff about Belle, like, if I must give an example, calling her a hooker (which you and I both can agree she was never that).

As far as Rousseau, Rousseau did briefly practice the Catholic faith, yes, but he was not a serious believer (for one thing, he didn't even believe in the concept of original sin, which is a concept all Christian sects, whether Catholic or not, most certainly believed in. If anything, he rather infamously believed that people were evil simply because of society and that we should just "return to nature."), and in any case, he left the faith by the time he started his puerile writings. In fact, technically, he was a wanderer, not really holding ANY loyalty to any faith beyond being self-serving. He was a lot closer to a deist by the later stages of his life, if not an atheist. In fact, he even stated Christians won't make good citizens due to effectively believing in life after death, and implied this would make them lose their lives easily against, say, Sparta or Rome. Don't believe me? Read these:


 * http://books.google.com/books?id=IPZa0_Qx0koC&pg=PA16&dq=%22civil+religion%22+rousseau#PPA17,M1
 * https://mises.org/library/6-jean-jacques-rousseau
 * https://books.google.com/books?id=CNafZ4xYV2kC&pg=PA201
 * http://www.philosophybasics.com/philosophers_rousseau.html

"Maybe I will just ask my history teacher, OK?"

If you must, sure. I will make a stipulation, though: If the history teacher is anything like the one I had in Spring 2011, you might want to reconsider. Just a friendly bit of advice.