Talk:Claude Frollo/@comment-26200221-20150909152526/@comment-1672596-20151214182917

Fine, maybe King Candy might challenge Maleficent, but she's still top contender as of right now.

Either way, Frollo still is a choir boy compared to Maleficent, as is Shan Yu for that matter (in fact, Shan Yu's probably more vile than Frollo), which is all that matters. In order for Frollo to truly match up, he'd need to be openly evil, actually refer to himself as evil, and all of that. I know some people call it two-dimensional, but, 1., most critics of the Disney version felt it was two-dimensional anyway, and 2., even two-dimensional villains have their basis in reality. In fact, I can name a real-life card-carrying villain. The Marquis de Sade, as this quote makes clear: "Imperious, choleric, irascible, extreme in everything, with a dissolute imagination the like of which has never been seen, atheistic to the point of fanaticism, there you have me in a nutshell, and kill me again or take me as I am, for I shall not change.”

And Red Skull was a villain who was rather open about his villainy as well, even intended to be a caricature of the Nazis when he was created. However, it turns out, he had several eerie parallels to actual real-life Nazis that his creators didn't even intend to occur, and if anything, Red Skull downplayed the atrocities the Nazis did. To quote TVTropes: "Although none of his creators, Joe Simon and France Herron, could have known in early 1941, and they imagined him as a purely fictional and cartoonish incarnation of evil, the Skull's espionage exploits match those of both SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich and his close colleague SS-Brigadeführer Walther Schellenberg, while his cruelty, sadism, ruthlessness and physical appearance match the lesser known SS-Oberführer Oskar Dirlewanger. It can be said the reality of the Reich surpassed the imagination of Marvel Comics writers." At least try to actually HAVE Frollo match up with those guys, perfectly, without any holding back. If they want to dissuade people from following villains, they should have gone all out.