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I’ve finally created another tournament. But this one is very different from the others, because this one has two entire tournaments in it. The Big Tournament of Best Disney Character will take place tomorrow and 64 Characters will compete, 32 Heroes and Villains.
So far the winners of previous tournaments have been:
Best Villain: Scar (The Lion King)
Best Movie: The Lion King
Best Princess: Elsa (Frozen and Frozen II)
Best Villain Song: Be Prepared (Scar)
Best Deuteragonist: Elsa (Frozen)
Best Protagonist: Rapunzel (Tangled)
Best Character: …
And the rules are:
32 heroes and villains have been selected to compete. Some films are sending more than two characters, like the Frozen franchise.
They should be selected by personal preference, not by power.
Every time a phase is completed, the winners will be drawn randomly with other characters of the same branch.
The R64, R32 and R16 will last for 2 days; while the QF, SF, Finals and Match for Third Place will last for 3 days. The Ultra-Final will last for 4 days.
Any altered results after their corresponding time will not be considered.
Warning: Your favorite Hero or Villain might be eliminated...
I’ll not post the draw here and instead I’ll upload the polls tomorrow. I already know the matches and characters that will be participating.
On the Writing of Villains-What Disney often misses, and what they can learn from the Tangled franchise
I've actually had this opinion piece on hand for a while now, and now that Tangled: The Series has come and gone, I decided it was a good time to actually post it, since a lot of it relates to my thoughts on the Tangled franchise. And no, there are no spoilers for the recent series finale here (though if you haven't watched the show's third season you'll get some spoilers.
Its no secret that Disney has it's critics as well as it's fans. And one of the (more spurious), criticisms of Disney films is the accusation of sameness. The idea that too many Disney movies follow the same formula and use the same kinds of characters. And mocking Disney based on this idea is not a new concept, as Shrek, other Dreamworks movies, the awful comic "Princeless", and even sometimes Disney themselves all do it. Personally, I think the criticism is really exaggerated and overblown, considering how different Zootopia is from, say, Frozen, and how different both movies are from something like Hunchback of Notre Dame or the Black Cauldron. I honestly do think that Disney is more willing to be flexible and try new things then they are often given credit for. That said, if there is one exception to this, one area where I do think Disney is a lot less willing to break from their standard formula, it's in how they do their villains. And that's what this opinion piece is about; Disney's preferred strategy for how they do their villains, and why I think that said strategy could afford to be adhered to a bit less rigidly.
Here's the thing: most Disney villains (at least mainstream Disney as opposed to Pixar, Marvel, and Star Wars) tend to fit a similar personality and mold. Namely, they tend to be thoroughly narcissistic, over-the-top power-mongers who are completely bereft of any real sympathetic or redeeming qualities, and tend to not have understandable motives for doing what they do. The "I want to take over the kingdom/the world" motive in particular shows up constantly, and if it isn't that motive, it's either abject greed, completely motiveless cruelty, or both. Granted, the different Disney villains do have a lot of variety in appearances and powers. Hades for instance, is very different looking and has different powers from, say, Cruella DeVille. But the basic personality and goals of the villain aren't really allowed to change. It's kind of the Disney formula.
The inevitable response to what I've just said is "What do you expect? They're kid's movies!" To be blunt, I kind of hate this sort of response. I think it's a very lazy and thoughtless rebuttal that's also disingenuous for the following reason; movies like Beauty and the Beast and Lion King would never have gotten the level of acclaim and adoration that they enjoy if they were as mindless, toothless, or poorly written as, say, The Quest for Camelot. The best children's entertainment, Disney's included, is the best precisely because actual effort is put into the writing, and the writers do not take the easy way out of condescending to their audience or treating them like they can't appreciate nuance. Simply put, not all kid's movies are equal, and the fact that it is a kid's movie is no excuse to phone in the writing. And I believe that Disney does understand this, at least for the most part. But that is why I feel that they could (and should), be more willing to have nuanced and sympathetic villains, and trust that the audience will be smart enough to get it.
I would also like to take the time to stress that I am not against unsympathetic villains in Disney movies or anything else. I think for something like Hunchback or the Lion King, a pure evil monster works better for those particular narratives. And I love Scar, Hades, and Jafar as much as the next guy. But I don't think that every Disney movie's villain needs to be that way. A great example of this, indeed the best example that I can think of, would be Mother Gothel from Tangled. To me, Tangled is a very middle-of-the-road Disney film. It's beautifully animated for sure, and the voice acting is fine. But it's also a movie that feels determined to stick to the Disney formula pretty rigidly, and I feel that with Gothel in particular, that was a mistake. Because here's the thing; Gothel raised Rapunzel from infancy. She's been the only mother Rapunzel has ever known. And I feel that instead of being presented as a 100% awful narcissist who only cared about Rapunzel for her magic McGuffin hair, it would have been a lot more interesting if instead Gothel was allowed to be more complex. If she was allowed to be someone who, after being forced to be a mother for eighteen years, had come to develop some genuine feeling for this girl, and come to care about her as a mother would for a daughter, while also still wanting to use her magic hair for her own ends. And so she could be a more conflicted villain, torn between her selfish desire for eternal youth and her ever-growing maternal instincts for Rapunzel that make it increasingly hard to keep lying to and exploiting her. That approach (at least in my opinion), would have made Gothel go from yet another totally evil and selfish Disney villain, to a much more complicated and interesting character. And that in turn would have made the Tangled movie feel a bit less formulaic, and a bit more memorable.
All of the above brings me to the sequel cartoon. In my opinion, Tangled: The Series (AKA Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure) is much better than the movie that spawned it. Aside from the fact that the songs are even better, the voice acting is just as good, and the humor is mostly witty and sharp dialogue, I also think that the character work is really, really good. And I especially think that's true in respects to one of the show's main villains, Cassandra. Beginning as Rapunzel's bodyguard, friend, and kind of surrogate big sister before ultimately giving into her insecurities and turning on her, Cassandra is a great example of the kind of villain I want to see from Disney more often. Because though she has the malevolence and selfishness you'd expect from a Disney villain, she's actually allowed to be sympathetic and even tragic in a way that most Disney villains are not. Her reasons to hate and turn against Rapunzel, while petty, are also very human and believable, especially with the voice actress doing such a great job conveying the pain and resentment that Cassandra feels. This is also helped by songs like "Waiting in the Wings" and "Crossing the Line", which effectively capture all of Cassandra's feelings of loneliness, inadequacy, and neglect. I think the writers sort of fumbled the character's arc towards the end, but even so, Cassandra was a much more interesting villain then her mother ever was, and I kind of wish that the show had taken the opportunity to also make Gothel more sympathetic in turn. But, one can't have it all. The writers were hellbent on portraying that character as a shallow narcissist, and I still think that was a bad idea.
So the Tangled franchise provides both an example of a villain who could and should have been more sympathetic, and one who is a step in the right direction. But there is another example from Disney's canon that can be invoked: Silver in Treasure Planet. As it's dismal box office performance and lukewarm-at-best reviews at the time made clear, Treasure Planet didn't blow most folks away. But I myself have always really liked it, and one thing in particular about it that I admire, is how it portrayed Silver. Rather than take the easy way out and make Silver a thoroughly evil individual motivated solely by greed, the movie actually allowed Silver to be more complex and even have some good advice to give despite being a villain. I love the irony of how our protagonist, who has always needed a father in his life after his actual one abandoned him as a child, finds precisely that in the movie's villain. And Silver in turn, comes to care about Jim in a way that I really wish Gothel had for Rapunzel in Tangled. Again, I just don't believe that every Disney villain needs to be portrayed the same way. And I think the question comes down to is this: is Disney willing to think outside the box here and make bolder decisions, or are they going to remain locked into the one way of doing things that they've always relied on? Again, I don't think something like Beauty and the Beast got to where it's at by condescending. And I really believe that most kids are smart enough to get that a character can be bad without being 100% pure evil. So with that in mind, I really do believe that Disney should be more willing to take a chance on sympathetic villains. I recognize that not every villain can be Magneto, Killmonger, or Darth Vader, (or Arthas Menethil for an example not owned by Disney), but that doesn't mean that none of them can be.
ALLYSON (LOVE INTEREST)-Acnluser
WALL-E -Jaylon Decarlo
MOTHER GOTHEL- Caitlinn6
CRUELLA DE VIL
MALEFICENT - Gortovere
Taking place 2 years after Bolt and Enchanted, Bolt is living a perfect life with mittens, rineo, and penny but then a portal sucks bolt and mittens into another world: New York City. Bolt meets Gizelle, a young woman who also came from The Animated World, but she was a princess from the magical land of Andlasia. When a young female dog named Ally shows up, (who is a female version of Bolt) bolt gains a crush on her. Gizelle helps Bolt with him and ally while showing him a little bit of fairy tale magic while bolt shows her a little bit of reality. But when Mittens a little bit TOO boy crazy, she teams up with the disney villans to make sure Bolt is HERS forever and to get rid of ally and Gizelle
I just made a wiki last week ago. its about nexus crossovers based on Crossover Nexus.
It will have new characters and it will include disney characters like disney heroes and villans.
and also you can join my wiki any time you want and i also need help with my wiki too.
Which Disney Villain Are You?
What’s your favorite color?
A. I like purple, but I do appreciate apple red
B. A devilish mix of purple, green, and black
C. SPOTS!!! Wait, that’s not a color?
D. Red is the color of a bloody neck after a head’s decapitated. I pick red.
E. Anything that’s not green. Eugh... Green reminds me of dark times... Too scaly...
F. I have a strange fascination for purple. But gurl, I love me some ocean blue.
G. Red and black. Don’t judge me for being generic. It looks evil.
H. I don’t do colors. Too lively for my taste.
I. Blue and black are kinda my thing.
J. My friends are a variety of colors, but if I should choose one, than purple.
K. I like red. It’s manly.
L. Browns and blacks. I hate any pastel colors. Whoever said purple, green, and golden go together is seriously disturbed.
M. I like blue and white.
N. Same as M, but the colors should sparkle more.
2. What do you do in your spare time?
A. Staring in the mirror and admire my beauty
B. Getting revenge on people who don’t include me in group activities
C. Shopping. Specifically for fur clothing.
D. Playing croquet
E. Pillaging and plundering and sailing the seven seas
F. Making deals with stupid people
G. Dealing with my idiotic boss and searching for the diamond in the rough
H. Being alone, which I am perfectly fine with
I. I’m not one who goes for one hobby
J. Voodoo, hoodoo, and things I haven’t even tried
K. I love hunting, wooing the girl of my dreams, and going to the bar. Y’know, normal guy stuff.
L. I’m usually out and about, but in home, I like beautifying myself.
M. This is weird, but I like making sandwiches.
N. Singing, acting, and all the glamorous theatrical stuff.
3. Weapon of choice?
A. A book of spells
B. ALL THE POWERS OF HELL!!!
C. A car to run some idiots over
D. A guillotine. I heard they chop off heads.
E. I like swords in any size
F. A shell necklace, if that counts...?
G. A staff to do my hypnosis
H. Teeth and ambitions that are bared. Also, some claws are fine.
I. Some flames to shoot out of my hands
J. I got some voodoo dolls to play with
K. I like guns. They’re quick and get the job done in far distances.
L. I’ll use a dagger if necessary
M. I’m not a big fan of weapons, but if I must pick one, I’d go for a sword.
N. Unpopular opinion, but I prefer poison. They’re cheap and I don’t get my hands dirty.
4. What’s your love life like or your opinion on love in general?
A. I’m a widow. Sucks, because that means I have to look after my mistake of a daughter.
B. Love is a foreign concept to me
C. If they got a good sense of fashion and good amounts of cash, than sign me up!
D. I have a lover. He’s/She’s the only one that I treat with respect and he does the same for me.
E. I don’t have time for love! I’m busy plotting revenge and going to therapy!
F. Love is meandering. Than again, love is a great concept for manipulation. I’ll need it to exist for more victims.
G. So... I have a thing for younger people. I’m mean, REAL young. Is that weird?
H. If I want to be king/queen, I’ll need a queen/king. It’s kinda a requirement. Say, I wonder how my nephew’s friend is doing...
I. I mean, I guess there are some people who are cute, but I’m not the hugest fan or anything.
J. I don’t really care for finding love
K. I have a special someone who doesn’t love me back. They will though. They will be mine...
L. ..... Never again.....
M. I know a cute somebody when I see one
N. Okay, you got me. I’ve been questioning my sexuality for god knows how long.
5. And lastly, describe your enemies.
A. Anyone who’s more beautiful than I am
B. Scums who don’t include me in group activities
C. People who mock me. Also, my henchmen at times.
D. People who annoy me. If anyone annoys me, OFF WITH THEIR HEAD!!!!
E. This one dude who chopped my hand, fed it to a crocodile, and thus triggering my PTSD. I’m sure that’s normal.
F. The monarch
G. Poor people
H. Everyone in my family. How am I related to them, I don’t know.
I. Same as H, but at least I rule a place. Just... not a place I want.
J. Ambitious people who’d rather work hard to make their dreams come true
K. Anyone who’s in love with my bae
L. To be honest, I hate my children. I don’t regret anything I say on here.
M. I don’t really have enemies per say, but I’m not a fan of people associated with witchcraft.
N. Past friends who distance themselves because of other things
If you have mostly A’s, you are Queen Grimhilde (apologies if I spelled that wrong)
You are a vain queen who likes mirrors a little too much.
If you have mostly B’s, you are Maleficent
The mistress of all evil herself. Congrats!
If you have mostly C’s, you are Cruella de Vil
You have the word “devil” in your name. Also, you have a taste for furs.
If you have mostly D’s, you are the Queen of Hearts
You are prone to temper tantrums, like hearts, and have a head collection.
If you have mostly E’s, you are Captain Hook
You are a pirate with severe PTSD.
If you have mostly F’s, you are Ursula
You like making deals, have eight tentacles, and lip sync a lot.
If you have mostly G’s, you are Jafar
You have a thing for twisted beards and young women. On the plus side, you have a capable sidekick.
If you have mostly H’s, you are Scar
The master of deception and disgraced by his clan. Not like you care.
If you have mostly I’s, you are Hades
Honestly, you just want to be apart of something. The gloom and doom ain’t your style.
If you have mostly J’s, you have Dr. Facilier
Your only friends are those from the other side. You also hate rich people.
If you have mostly K’s, you are Gaston
No one’s like you in any way! Get the girl, you muscular god!
If you have mostly L’s, you are Mother Gothel
You are a neglectful parent and prefer towers over cottages.
If you have mostly M’s, you are Prince Hans
Nice sideburns, man.
If you have mostly N’s, you are Ernesto de la Cruz
You’re from the other studio. You like singing, but parties even more.
So I want to know which villain is the best in a tournament like way. Tomorrow will be matchday 1 and you’ll decide who qualifies to the next round.
The rules are:
Only Villains produced by Walt Disney Animation Studios will take part of the competition. So no Pixar, Marvel or Star Wars.
The Villains have been drawn into 2 branches of 8 matches each. 32 selected villains will compete.
The villain with most votes in each match will go to the next round. In the quarter finals and semi finals, there will be a draw to decide the matches.
Your favorite villain might be eliminated.
The matches are:
Scar vs Horned King
Queen of Hearts vs Chernabog
Yzma vs Prince John
Gaston vs Percival McLeach
Claude Frollo vs Madam Mim
Yokai vs Shan Yu
The Evil Queen vs Madame Medusa
Ursula vs Bill Sykes
Hades vs King Candy
Jafar vs Governor Ratcliffe
Maleficent vs Lady Tremaine
Hans vs Ratigan
Mother Gothel vs Shere Khan
Dr. Facilier vs Bellwether
Cruella de Vil vs Pete
Captain Hook vs Clayton
May the best villain win!
48 Votes in Poll
Hey, remember when I made poems stating Disney Villains’ origins? No? Well, it is back because I have more ideas!
Ernesto de la Cruz
I was thinking maybe I could make poems based on the origins of Disney villains.
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