Thanks for your comfortable note on the Lion Guard wiki, it's one of the nicest notes I've been sent. We can chat if you'd like beside hobby stuff at home and outings once in a while I volunteer the library.
Since September I've mainly been learning from experiences of public pal who shares more with me than the crowds can tell. 24 year old African American with a 29 year old Hispanic who can lift each other's moods, and communicate quite easily with each other, our similarities are positive enough to solve public problems rather quick.
You need to have a reliable source for these things. Also it's best to wait until Disney makes an announcement for these things. I'm not criticizing you, I'm just giving you advice. Take it or leave it.
Hey there, I'm not sure if you got to see my response or not since Alex removed the thread from my Wall, so I'm replying to you in a new one here.
Why did you remove the edit? It is pretty obvious.
If you are referring to the edit of yours I undid on Debbie's page, it was because your edit implied a connection between Debbie and Goofy Junior's mother from the George Geef shorts (rather than Max's mother from Goof Troop), which I felt was unnecessary.
The thing is, the George Geef shorts were set in the 1950s, whereas Goof Troop was set in the 1990s. While Goofy Junior was the prototypical incarnation of Max Goof, the two exist in separate continuities from each other. Were George Geef Jr. and Maximilian Goof to be considered the exact same person with the exact same mother, then the shorts being set in the 1950s would make Max be in his 40s by the time of Goof Troop in the 1990s, when Max is only 11 years old and in middle school in that show.
Therefore, it is needless to treat the mother of Goofy Junior from those shorts as being the same person as Max Goof's mother (whoever she might have been), and even less so to connect Debbie with her.
Now, is it still possible for Debbie to have been part of Max's mother's side of the family? Absolutely! But short of any official information on the matter (which we do not have), we can't say for certain or even imply this to be the case. At best, the possibility is already hinted at in the note on Debbie's page that says how one of her parents is probably the sibling of either Max's mother or Goofy. But otherwise, we have pretty much nothing else to link the two.
While some have also tried to use Debbie's red hair as a means to link her to Max's mother, that all goes back to the mother of Goofy Junior having had red hair, which as I've already covered, is a case of misplaced association since that woman exists in a different continuity from Goof Troop and the woman who did give birth to Max has never actually been seen or described, so we have no way of knowiing what color hair Max's mother actually has or had (that is, if she's dead, which is a whole other topic in and of itself).
Though, after thinking it over, I do agree that the possibility of Debbie coming from Max's mother's side of the family may not be that unfounded when taking Debbie's absence from "Calling All Goofs" into consideration, since that episode was both produced after and shared the same writer as "Leader of the Pack", so I have since put that little bit back into Debbie's article.
Sorry I also thought you were a girl. Based on your knowledge, how many gaps in chronology are there in the Goof Troop franchise? I officially exclude House of Mouse as non-canon since Lumiere was still a candlabra, although I understand everybody liked him that way.
First, I saw those edits you made to my User page. It is considered inappropriate to edit other users' pages. Kindly do not do so again.
Anyway, as far as House of Mouse is concerned, I do like to think of it as taking place in the same universe as Goof Troop. Though what you say about Lumiere still being a candelabra is true, House of Mouse treated all of the movie characters not as their actual selves from each movie, but instead as actors who merely played cinematic versions of themselves in said movies.
This would mean that, in the universe of House of Mouse, both the human and candelabra versions of Lumiere would be two separate actors who merely portrayed two versions of the same character in the Beauty and the Beast movie. This is supported by how, throughout the run of House of Mouse, both the cub and grown lion versions of Simba make appearances at the club in several various episodes, as though both the young and adult versions of Simba seen in The Lion King movie were actually played by two different lions both named "Simba".
While that might sound a bit awkward from the perspective of our real world, we are talking about a cartoon world in which talking lions work as actors alongside other actors who are either normal humans or cartoon animal people. So, when taking that into consideration, the idea of multiple similarly-named actors of different ages or (in the case of Human Lumiere and Candelabra Lumiere) different species playing separate versions of the same character in a fictional version of a movie that is itself already a work of fiction, doesn't seem quite as far-fetched.
With that said, regarding the chronology and continuity of the Goof Troop franchise, I see it as part of a much larger shared universe occupied by DuckTales (1987), Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers, TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck, Quack Pack, Mickey Mouse Works (albeit, as performed works rather than representing the characters' real lives), and House of Mouse, along with Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas.
I myself have been working on a gigantic, ambitious continuity-based project in which I am trying to create a timeline that maps out the full chronology of the Goof Troop universe, completely reordering the episodes into a workable chronological order with actual real-world dates applied to each episode, as well as incorporating every single Goof Troop/A Goofy Movie-related comic, book, game, movie, etc. that I can fit into this timeline, all while also taking into account the aforementioned seven other shows of this shared universe.
As a taste of what kind of fruit this comprehensive timeline of mine could bear, I have also created this biography that chronicles all of the known aspects of Goofy's entire life in the Goof Troop universe, beginning from his birth and going through his childhood, adulthood, fatherhood, and beyond.
I've currently completed all of the Goof Troop parts of this project, while having determined only a basic generalized idea for everything else. So, if you were ever wondering when each series took place, chronologically, here is a basic rundown:
TaleSpin - estimated late 1930s/early 1940s (most likely a timeframe that spans roughly 1938-1941)
Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas - the first segment has to be at Christmas 1985, the second segment I have determined to be Christmas 1986, the third segment is too vague to determine an exact year but can occur anywhere between the late 1970s to the early 1980s, and the ending medley scene I have deduced to be at Christmas 1987
DuckTales (1987) - I'm aiming for this to be from June 1986 to April 1990, after having re-watched every episode and the movie (but still making my way through additional media like comics and such)
Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers - haven't gotten to this one yet, but I'm hoping for this to be from the late 1980s to the early 1990s, probably beginning in 1989 (the show's debut year)
Darkwing Duck - still making my way through this one too, but I'm hoping for this one to begin sometime in 1991 (or in post-April 1990 if necessary)
Goof Troop - I've got this one completely reordered and nailed down as being from June 5, 1991 to July 31, 1994, with every episode and other story given specific real world dates
The Spirit of Mickey - I'm including this video due to its inclusion of Max, and placing it on July 2, 1994, during a large gap in time that ended up coming between the final two Goof Troop episodes in my new order
A Goofy Movie - got this nailed down as taking place from June 2-17, 1995
A few other pieces of minor Goof Troop-related media end up being placed both a little before and after A Goofy Movie during the intervening years (1995-1998) leading up to An Extremely Goofy Movie. It is also during this time that some, but not all, of the Mickey Mouse Works shorts would be produced by Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Goofy, etc. to be shown a few years later at the House of Mouse, but I'm getting ahead of myself
Quack Pack - I'm currently looking at a 1995-1996 placement for this one, but I need to do quite a bit more work on this one
An Extremely Goofy Movie - though it came out in 2000, the exact dates I have determined for this movie to begin and end are August 16, 1998 to May 15, 1999
House of Mouse - Like AEGM, despite this show debuting in 2001, it must begin during 1999 at the earliest since Max is stated to still be a teenager in the episode "Max's New Car", but he must also be at least 18 to even be a parking valet, so "Max's New Car" needs to come early enough in a new episode order to place it early enough for him to still be viewed as not just a teenager but a teenager who still does not own his own car
There may be more things to be included in this timeline, but for now, this is the short version of what I've got so far.
Though, in regards to Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas, it is NOT included in this timeline because of how irreconcilable it is with everything else in this timeline, as described in the Trivia section of that special's article.
Why would it be magic? It was said that Scrooge bought a snowplow company to help Mickey find Pluto when he and the others heard that Pluto had gone missing.
Mickey was even almost run over by the snowplow several times during the short, which made the ending's reveal of Goofy having been the snowplow's driver make sense, as the snowplow nearly runs Mickey over only after he phoned Minnie about Pluto's disappearance.
As for how any of them could even be at Mickey's house in the end, both Duckburg and Spoonerville aren't that far from Mouseton. It's easy to drive between all three cities. Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas even loosely implies that Goofy and Max even used to live in Mouseton before they moved to Spoonerville.
Also, Spirit of Mickey uses footage from A Goofy Movie, so that would be kind of confusing that would be in the time of Goof Troop. See this.
The only footage used is of just Goofy and Max minus any of the backgrounds or dialogue. Their bodies are superimposed over a new background of a stage and curtains. New lines are recorded and added to the footage, with Max given a new voice to make him sound younger than he was in A Goofy Movie.
The two episodes I put The Spirit of Mickey between are ones that do not have Max or any of the kids in them. And, there are also a couple of Goof Troop comics that take place after A Goofy Movie but which have the characters drawn in their Goof Troop designs (though, one of them has P.J. switch from his Goof Troop clothes to his movie clothes).
I'm the one who wrote that Spirit of Mickey entry on Max's page, anyway. I put it on the page after the section for A Goofy Movie because The Spirit of Mickey was released after A Goofy Movie, just like how Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas was. The page arranges Max's appearances by production order rather than chronological order.
Okay. But why would they draw Max as his Goof Troop form after the first movie? That is so weird. It's like he turned back into a preteen after a whole adventure. So, based on your chronology, what is the likelyhood of them making another Goof Troop series? 5%? 50%?
Okay. But why would they draw Max as his Goof Troop form after the first movie? That is so weird. It's like he turned back into a preteen after a whole adventure.
We can only speculate. Perhaps it was to maintain a sense of consistency with the Goof Troop label, since the comics were published under that name instead of A Goofy Movie.
Though, there was one Goof Troop comic set after the movie that did use his movie design.
And oddly enough, there was another one published after the movie that, bizarrely, used a unique design for Max that seemed to blend his show and movie designs together (movie head, movie hoodie, show pants, show shoes) even though that one was ostensibly set during the show's time since it dealt with P.J. (who was drawn in his show design) confessing his fear of heights to Max, which Max already knew about in the episode "From Air to Eternity".
Maybe it all just depended on whims of the illustrators.
On a related note, there was also French comic published for A Goofy Movie set after the movie's events, and that one did have all the characters in their movie designs (though, both Roxanne and Stacey were colored strangely, like Roxanne was blonde instead of a redhead for whatever reason).
So, based on your chronology, what is the likelyhood of them making another Goof Troop series? 5%? 50%?
I don't think my project is capable of making predictions like that, unfortunately. Though, I would absolutely love for there to be a new Goof Troop series. Preferably a sequel (set around the movies during Max's high school and college years) instead of a reboot.
Wait, when you say after the movie, did you mean they made comics after the movie, preceding and succeeding, or just succeeding?
Both Disney Adventures and The Disney Afternoon published Goof Troop comics both before and after the release of A Goofy Movie. The majority of each's Goof Troop comics that were published after the movie's release were set during the time of the TV show before the events of the movie.
However, in my researching every single one of these comics, I have determined that at least three comics published after the movie do take place after the movie:
One of these features the movie characters (Roxanne, Stacey, and Bobby) and is set during a school year following the summer vacation seen in the movie.
Another of these at first seems like an ordinary Goof Troop comic set during the show before the movie... until Roxanne suddenly appears near the end and P.J. switches from wearing his clothes from the show to wearing his clothes of the movie. But, while Max is still drawn in his Goof Troop design, his behavior in this comic is more like his movie self and both he and Roxanne act like they've been dating each other for a while, placing this one well after A Goofy Movie despite Max being drawn like his younger self.
The third of these comics is another that at first seems like an ordinary Goof Troop comic set during the show, but there is something in the background scenery of Goofy's house in this comic that, after thinking it over, would make more sense for this comic to come much later after A Goofy Movie, since this piece of scenery was only in A Goofy Movie and never in Goof Troop.
There must some way to fit in Mickey's Twice Upon A Christmas, because I really do not know what to say right now.
Frankly, I really am okay with leaving that Christmas special out, since it's really not that good (in my honest opinion). It doesn't really add anything of worth, and it also makes Max repeat the same fears of his dad embarrassing him that he already overcame in both A Goofy Movie and the House of Mouse episode "Max's Embarrassing Date".
Seeing Max go through these same fears in the same context for a third time makes him come off as someone who doesn't learn and doesn't grow as a person, having to learn the same lesson over and over again, which doesn't make for good storytelling or character progression. Omitting this special nixes that unnecessary repetition and allows Max to maintain the appearance of a more consistent progression of character growth.
And, in all honesty, I do rather prefer Roxanne over Mona. She's more interesting and fleshed out with a personality, whereas Mona barely had one. Excising Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas enables Max to remain with Roxanne (going by his dating her in House of Mouse after An Extremely Goofy Movie). Hehe.
Is that why Max has not made a tv or movie appearance for 15 years?
We can only guess as to why Max hasn't reappeared. Perhaps it was simply a matter of his being an integral aspect of a TV show and its related media (movies, specials, etc.) that just ran its course and faded into obscurity, just taking Max with it. He was mainstream in the 90s and early 2000s, but Disney simply moved on from that universe to other things and just left Max behind in his universe.
I mean, it even took Disney this long to even put A Goofy Movie on Blu-Ray earlier this year (2019), and even then it was only a Disney Movie Club exclusive rather than a mass retail release. It's like Disney just doesn't care about Goof Troop and its original creations anymore. It is what it is, unfortunately.
You're right about Max having to learn the same lesson over and over. In the date episode, Max thought that his dad was going to go too far with the planning. In Mickey's Twice Upon A Christmas, he wanted his dad to make a good impression, and wrongly thought he made it bad.
Actually, this incident is like in an episode I watched. If I told you what it was, I'd think you'd be disgusted. A journal gets published, and everyone made a big deal out of it. Maybe, there's different ways to learn the same lesson about trust.
And, of course, there is the fact that Max has grown from a child to a young adult in Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas, while Huey, Dewey, and Louie are still children in the same special, despite their having grown from being mischievous kids in Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas to being less mischievous kids in DuckTales (1987) to teenagers in Quack Pack and finally to near-adults/young adults with a full-blown successful music career in House of Mouse. That doesn't make any sense when both Adult Max and Kid Huey/Dewey/Louie are seen together in Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas (and in the additional scenes created for its comic book adaptation.
Oh, and speaking of which, the comic book adaptation of Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas actually mentions Roxanne. But, it mentions her in a context that almost implies that it was Goofy's fault that she and Max broke up. The idea that Goofy was somehow responsible for breaking up Max and Roxanne, and that it he did so by somehow behaving badly, sounds awful, and presents Goofy in a very bad light. All the more reason to omit Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas to prevent it from making Goofy look bad.
We can blame the budget about Roxanne not being in that movie. However, they could've just had her with a hair cut, or would that look weird? So, despite all the effort they put into that movie, they still messed it up? Disappointing. I thought that Goofy just moved to another house in Spoonerville and got tired of the old one, being different and all.
Funny thing about Goofy's house in Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas is, while its interior looks different from how it looked in Goof Troop, its exterior actually looks a LOT more like Goofy's house in Goof Troop than its exterior looked in either A Goofy Movie or An Extremely Goofy Movie.
If they made a filler show, I would like them to call it "A Goofy Show". In fact, when I get done with college, I would like to ensure that. Sure, everybody loves the Ducktales reboot, but from what I see, it appears to be an alternate universe.
And it would make up for those messed up episodes which made it seem like Goofy and Max had been living with the Pete family for years (except maybe for the ones in your timeline). Two words: time shift.
YOU wrote it on Wikipedia? Would you be offended if I called it self-plagiarism? Also, not that I telling you not to do it, but I never touched Wikipedia. It's like the father of all wikis.
Anybody can edit Wikipedia.
Besides, this very site originally took much of its content from Wikipedia anyway. Even says so right at the bottom of the Goof Troop page, right under "External Links" and above the Goof Troop template box.
By first looking at the episode's voice cast list in the end credits to see who all was in the episode, then by listening real closely to hear what each voice sounded like (keeping an ear out for any subtleties and nuances in their vocal performances), and then by looking up what other voice roles the actors had done to compare them to those of Douglas, Tooth, and Nails.
I had recognized Douglas as Rob Paulsen since there were parts of his performance (e.g. - inflection, enunciation, etc.) that sounded familiar, while S. Scott Bullock and Candi Milo were both guest stars and had to each be someone in the cast.
Tooth and Nails were the most likely candidates since so few guest characters besides them and Douglas (and Melvin, who was also voiced by Milo) got speaking roles in the episode. Tooth sounded like another of Bullock's voice roles in another work, so I pegged him as Bullock, while Nails sounded like a he was voiced by a woman, but wasn't either Dana Hill or Nancy Cartwright since those two have very recognizable voices. Milo, meanwhile, fit the bill with her own deeper-voice range, making her the only option for Nails.
I don't Max lived in Spoonerville in Mickey's Once Upon A Christmas. Maybe another close city? So, I suppose it seems that the sequel IS messed up since in House of Mouse, it is shown and implying that they are all about the same age.
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