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  • okay, so disney canons r basically disney's animated films. but r there rules that separate disney canons from other dinsey movies they did?

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    • Each film "not counting sequels to films," has its own canon that is built upon through sequels and prequels.

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    • um...i dont get it.

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    • Here's an example: Lady and the Tramp has a canon, and Scamp's Adventure, its sequel, is part of that canon. However, Cinderella, due to having a different setting and characters, is not part of that canon, but has its own.

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    • oh k thanks

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    • I consider "canon" to be continuity-related things, not a series of films in seperate universes.

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    • "Lady and the Tramp has a canon, and Scamp's Adventure, its sequel, is part of that canon. However, Cinderella, due to having a different setting and characters, is not part of that canon, but has its own."

      This doesn't really make sense though when you consider that The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under were both in the same continuity but included seperately in the canon.

      OP: The real meaning of "canon" is that it is an official collection of works (usually meant for religious texts but nowadays applied to anything). The "canon" films are the official ones, created by the lead animation department of Disney and which are given theatrical/cinematic releases and usually larger budgets. They don't include the straight-to-video sequels and spin-off TV shows which rarely use any of the original cast and are never handled by the lead animation teams.

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    • Cian93 wrote:
      "Lady and the Tramp has a canon, and Scamp's Adventure, its sequel, is part of that canon. However, Cinderella, due to having a different setting and characters, is not part of that canon, but has its own."

      This doesn't really make sense though when you consider that The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under were both in the same continuity but included seperately in the canon.

      OP: The real meaning of "canon" is that it is an official collection of works (usually meant for religious texts but nowadays applied to anything). The "canon" films are the official ones, created by the lead animation department of Disney and which are given theatrical/cinematic releases and usually larger budgets. They don't include the straight-to-video sequels and spin-off TV shows which rarely use any of the original cast and are never handled by the lead animation teams.

      You're right, any feature produced by Walt Disney Feature Animation (including the three sequels, The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000 and Winnie the Pooh 2011) are part of the Disney Canon, aka the Disney Animated Classics.

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    • The 13th Hero wrote:

      Cian93 wrote:
      "Lady and the Tramp has a canon, and Scamp's Adventure, its sequel, is part of that canon. However, Cinderella, due to having a different setting and characters, is not part of that canon, but has its own."

      This doesn't really make sense though when you consider that The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under were both in the same continuity but included seperately in the canon.

      OP: The real meaning of "canon" is that it is an official collection of works (usually meant for religious texts but nowadays applied to anything). The "canon" films are the official ones, created by the lead animation department of Disney and which are given theatrical/cinematic releases and usually larger budgets. They don't include the straight-to-video sequels and spin-off TV shows which rarely use any of the original cast and are never handled by the lead animation teams.

      You're right, any feature produced by Walt Disney Feature Animation (including the three sequels, The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000 and Winnie the Pooh 2011) are part of the Disney Canon, aka the Disney Animated Classics.

      The new Winnie the Pooh film is not a sequel.

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    • Joseph8 wrote:

      The 13th Hero wrote:

      Cian93 wrote:
      "Lady and the Tramp has a canon, and Scamp's Adventure, its sequel, is part of that canon. However, Cinderella, due to having a different setting and characters, is not part of that canon, but has its own."This doesn't really make sense though when you consider that The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under were both in the same continuity but included seperately in the canon.

      OP: The real meaning of "canon" is that it is an official collection of works (usually meant for religious texts but nowadays applied to anything). The "canon" films are the official ones, created by the lead animation department of Disney and which are given theatrical/cinematic releases and usually larger budgets. They don't include the straight-to-video sequels and spin-off TV shows which rarely use any of the original cast and are never handled by the lead animation teams.

      You're right, any feature produced by Walt Disney Feature Animation (including the three sequels, The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000 and Winnie the Pooh 2011) are part of the Disney Canon, aka the Disney Animated Classics.

      The new Winnie the Pooh film is not a sequel.

      It's a continuation, is it not?

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    • The 13th Hero wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:

      The 13th Hero wrote:

      Cian93 wrote:
      "Lady and the Tramp has a canon, and Scamp's Adventure, its sequel, is part of that canon. However, Cinderella, due to having a different setting and characters, is not part of that canon, but has its own."This doesn't really make sense though when you consider that The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under were both in the same continuity but included seperately in the canon.

      OP: The real meaning of "canon" is that it is an official collection of works (usually meant for religious texts but nowadays applied to anything). The "canon" films are the official ones, created by the lead animation department of Disney and which are given theatrical/cinematic releases and usually larger budgets. They don't include the straight-to-video sequels and spin-off TV shows which rarely use any of the original cast and are never handled by the lead animation teams.

      You're right, any feature produced by Walt Disney Feature Animation (including the three sequels, The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000 and Winnie the Pooh 2011) are part of the Disney Canon, aka the Disney Animated Classics.

      The new Winnie the Pooh film is not a sequel.

      It's a continuation, is it not?

      It is a standalone film.

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    • Joseph8 wrote:

      The 13th Hero wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:

      The 13th Hero wrote:


      Cian93 wrote:
      "Lady and the Tramp has a canon, and Scamp's Adventure, its sequel, is part of that canon. However, Cinderella, due to having a different setting and characters, is not part of that canon, but has its own."This doesn't really make sense though when you consider that The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under were both in the same continuity but included seperately in the canon.

      OP: The real meaning of "canon" is that it is an official collection of works (usually meant for religious texts but nowadays applied to anything). The "canon" films are the official ones, created by the lead animation department of Disney and which are given theatrical/cinematic releases and usually larger budgets. They don't include the straight-to-video sequels and spin-off TV shows which rarely use any of the original cast and are never handled by the lead animation teams.

      You're right, any feature produced by Walt Disney Feature Animation (including the three sequels, The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000 and Winnie the Pooh 2011) are part of the Disney Canon, aka the Disney Animated Classics.
      The new Winnie the Pooh film is not a sequel.

      It's a continuation, is it not?

      It is a standalone film.

      Either way, it's still part of the Canon.

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    • I think the sequels are in the Mickey Mouse movies, "Mickey, Donald, and Goofy: The Three Musketeers", "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas", and "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" with it.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      I think the sequels are in the Mickey Mouse movies, "Mickey, Donald, and Goofy: The Three Musketeers", "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas", and "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" with it.

      Yeah, those were made by DisneyToon Studios.

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    • The 13th Hero wrote:

      Tylerjewell wrote:
      I think the sequels are in the Mickey Mouse movies, "Mickey, Donald, and Goofy: The Three Musketeers", "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas", and "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" with it.

      Yeah, those were made by DisneyToon Studios.

      Are you sure about this?

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:

      The 13th Hero wrote:

      Tylerjewell wrote:
      I think the sequels are in the Mickey Mouse movies, "Mickey, Donald, and Goofy: The Three Musketeers", "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas", and "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" with it.
      Yeah, those were made by DisneyToon Studios.
      Are you sure about this?

      yes. i know what sorts out Disney canon already. theyre DisneyToon Studios. Disney canon is Walt Disney Animation Studios

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    • DisneyJr wrote:
      Tylerjewell wrote:

      The 13th Hero wrote:


      Tylerjewell wrote:
      I think the sequels are in the Mickey Mouse movies, "Mickey, Donald, and Goofy: The Three Musketeers", "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas", and "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" with it.
      Yeah, those were made by DisneyToon Studios.
      Are you sure about this?
      yes. i know what sorts out Disney canon already. theyre DisneyToon Studios. Disney canon is Walt Disney Animation Studios

      Exactly.

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    • Did you see Pluto on "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas" movie? That is what happened to Pluto was dancing with Mickey Mouse on the stage for the song, "Jingle Bells" with Firehouse Five Plus Two. It was wonderful. Mickey is dancing with Pluto for the celebrating.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      Did you see Pluto on "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas" movie? That is what happened to Pluto was dancing with Mickey Mouse on the stage for the song, "Jingle Bells" with Firehouse Five Plus Two. It was wonderful. Mickey is dancing with Pluto for the celebrating.

      I honestly haven't seen any of those films, but let's stay on topic.

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    • Okay. Sorry about that. But, uh, I saw Pluto from "Mickey, Donald, and Goofy: The Three Musketeers" where Pluto barked in the princess' mansion or castle to find Mickey about Goofy and Donald are gone and Donald warned them about Pete is the bad guy. And Goofy will rescue Mickey and tells Donald to trust him for poor Mickey drown in the dungeon water. They rescued the princess in the theater which is the opera starts at night.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      Okay. Sorry about that. But, uh, I saw Pluto from "Mickey, Donald, and Goofy: The Three Musketeers" where Pluto barked in the princess' mansion or castle to find Mickey about Goofy and Donald are gone and Donald warned them about Pete is the bad guy. And Goofy will rescue Mickey and tells Donald to trust him for poor Mickey drown in the dungeon water. They rescued the princess in the theater which is the opera starts at night.

      I've seen The Three Musketeers a long time ago.

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    • The 13th Hero wrote:

      Tylerjewell wrote:
      Okay. Sorry about that. But, uh, I saw Pluto from "Mickey, Donald, and Goofy: The Three Musketeers" where Pluto barked in the princess' mansion or castle to find Mickey about Goofy and Donald are gone and Donald warned them about Pete is the bad guy. And Goofy will rescue Mickey and tells Donald to trust him for poor Mickey drown in the dungeon water. They rescued the princess in the theater which is the opera starts at night.

      I've seen The Three Musketeers a long time ago.

      I'm positive. So do I. I'll discuss this later.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:

      The 13th Hero wrote:

      Tylerjewell wrote:
      Okay. Sorry about that. But, uh, I saw Pluto from "Mickey, Donald, and Goofy: The Three Musketeers" where Pluto barked in the princess' mansion or castle to find Mickey about Goofy and Donald are gone and Donald warned them about Pete is the bad guy. And Goofy will rescue Mickey and tells Donald to trust him for poor Mickey drown in the dungeon water. They rescued the princess in the theater which is the opera starts at night.
      I've seen The Three Musketeers a long time ago.
      I'm positive. So do I. I'll discuss this later.

      Ok.

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    • Thank you. I also saw Pluto from "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" about what happened to Pluto made in mess to decorating the Christmas tree and he's been made a mess in the house before Mickey starting to scolds Pluto to go back in the doghouse and Pluto ran away from home to Santa's Workshop. Until he's coming back to Mickey and he reuniting with Mickey and the others at home. I don't feel happy for Pluto made a mess in Mickey's house. Do you?

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      Thank you. I also saw Pluto from "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" about what happened to Pluto made in mess to decorating the Christmas tree and he's been made a mess in the house before Mickey starting to scolds Pluto to go back in the doghouse and Pluto ran away from home to Santa's Workshop. Until he's coming back to Mickey and he reuniting with Mickey and the others at home. I don't feel happy for Pluto made a mess in Mickey's house. Do you?

      Haven't seen that film.

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    • Sorry about that.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      Sorry about that.

      That's ok.

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    • Thank you. But, uh, does Pluto was in DisneyToon Studios and Disney Channel with Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, Donald Duck, Daisy Duck, and Goofy on the DVD?

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      Thank you. But, uh, does Pluto was in DisneyToon Studios and Disney Channel with Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, Donald Duck, Daisy Duck, and Goofy on the DVD?

      What question is that? Don't mean to sound rude.

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    • I don't know. I'm so sorry I was sound so rude. Sorry about that. Now, if you let me change your mind. Just let me know that was great. Okay. That's the part of sequel movies in 1990s to 2000s.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      I don't know. I'm so sorry I was sound so rude. Sorry about that. Now, if you let me change your mind. Just let me know that was great. Okay. That's the part of sequel movies in 1990s to 2000s.

      Actually, it was me who was sounding rude. You want to change my mind? What do you mean?

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    • What do I mean? Uh, I'm not sure. I don't ask. It's just happened. But, I like Disney sequel movies. It was quite as a sweater with a big bird coming in it. I can't decide it and it was only the direct-to-video.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      What do I mean? Uh, I'm not sure. I don't ask. It's just happened. But, I like Disney sequel movies. It was quite as a sweater with a big bird coming in it. I can't decide it and it was only the direct-to-video.

      The only straight-to-video "sequel" I actually find to be decent is The Lion King 3: Hakuna Matata.

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    • Oh, that's nice. I like that. That's very nice of you.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      Oh, that's nice. I like that. That's very nice of you.

      Thank you.

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    • No problem. I have my two nieces and a nephew. My first niece was 8 years old, my second niece was 4 years old (turned 5), and a nephew was only 2 years old. Those kids likes the Disney movies. They heard about the story of Peter Pan for Tinkerbell has the pixie dust can make them fly.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      No problem. I have my two nieces and a nephew. My first niece was 8 years old, my second niece was 4 years old (turned 5), and a nephew was only 2 years old. Those kids likes the Disney movies. They heard about the story of Peter Pan for Tinkerbell has the pixie dust can make them fly.

      It's allright, I don't feel any need.

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    • Sure thing. But, I've been longer any movies. It's just DVD and Blu-ray for sequels with DisneyToon Studios. It was happened here.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      Sure thing. But, I've been longer any movies. It's just DVD and Blu-ray for sequels with DisneyToon Studios. It was happened here.

      "I've been longer any films"?

      "It was happened here"?

      No offense, but I don't understand what you're saying.

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    • Oh, I can see that. Sorry.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      Oh, I can see that. Sorry.

      That's allright, I just couldn't get what you were saying. That's all.

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    • Typically a "canon" is a franchise's main media presentation. So onscreen for moving visuals like movies and shows; in-print for books, comics, etc; games are a tad harder to define with a global blanket.

      accordingly, representations in other and cross-media presentations may or may not be canon. However, there are also degrees of official if produced or authorized by Disney.

      Anyway, for example: the animated series Kim Possible and its "movies/3-parter episodes" are the main canon. The Lilo & Stitch: The Series episode Rufus which featured a crossover of the two series is not necessarily in Kim Possible's canon. Some feel it should be, others not. Even though fan-made and offered DVD sets do include it, it should be noted that when Disney officially released the first and second seasons of KP on DVD, which L&S:Rufus fell somewhere between, they did not include it.

      All the varied appearances KP in backgrounds of other shows might suggest a shared universe, but not a shared canonicity. Had Kim and company appeared on House of Mouse, *especially* in the night club framing segments, would not be.

      Kim Possible games have at least six official products. They are not part of the canon, no matter how official they are. Other games are even less so.

      Disney published a few novelizations of KP episodes. They would be canon, except for any details unique to them which were not in the original broadcasts.

      Anything which was never part of the original broadcasts, such as anything cut before aired, is not canon.

      Authorized sequels, prequels, side-quels, and mid-quels of a franchise are part of its canon. Reboots and re-imaginings would not be.

      chuckle:: I hoped that helps
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    • Love Robin wrote:
      Typically a "canon" is a franchise's main media presentation. So onscreen for moving visuals like movies and shows; in-print for books, comics, etc; games are a tad harder to define with a global blanket.

      accordingly, representations in other and cross-media presentations may or may not be canon. However, there are also degrees of official if produced or authorized by Disney.

      Anyway, for example: the animated series Kim Possible and its "movies/3-parter episodes" are the main canon. The Lilo & Stitch: The Series episode Rufus which featured a crossover of the two series is not necessarily in Kim Possible's canon. Some feel it should be, others not. Even though fan-made and offered DVD sets do include it, it should be noted that when Disney officially released the first and second seasons of KP on DVD, which L&S:Rufus fell somewhere between, they did not include it.

      All the varied appearances KP in backgrounds of other shows might suggest a shared universe, but not a shared canonicity. Had Kim and company appeared on House of Mouse, *especially* in the night club framing segments, would not be.

      Kim Possible games have at least six official products. They are not part of the canon, no matter how official they are. Other games are even less so.

      Disney published a few novelizations of KP episodes. They would be canon, except for any details unique to them which were not in the original broadcasts.

      Anything which was never part of the original broadcasts, such as anything cut before aired, is not canon.

      Authorized sequels, prequels, side-quels, and mid-quels of a franchise are part of its canon. Reboots and re-imaginings would not be.

      chuckle:: I hoped that helps

      The Disney Animation Classics Canon refers to the productions of Walt Disney Feature Animation.

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    • Okay. I've better get along home and I hope I have to do this right.

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    • The 13th Hero wrote:

      Love Robin wrote:
      Typically a "canon" is a franchise's main media presentation. So onscreen for moving visuals like movies and shows; in-print for books, comics, etc; games are a tad harder to define with a global blanket.

      accordingly, representations in other and cross-media presentations may or may not be canon. However, there are also degrees of official if produced or authorized by Disney.

      Anyway, for example: the animated series Kim Possible and its "movies/3-parter episodes" are the main canon. The Lilo & Stitch: The Series episode Rufus which featured a crossover of the two series is not necessarily in Kim Possible's canon. Some feel it should be, others not. Even though fan-made and offered DVD sets do include it, it should be noted that when Disney officially released the first and second seasons of KP on DVD, which L&S:Rufus fell somewhere between, they did not include it.

      All the varied appearances KP in backgrounds of other shows might suggest a shared universe, but not a shared canonicity. Had Kim and company appeared on House of Mouse, *especially* in the night club framing segments, would not be.

      Kim Possible games have at least six official products. They are not part of the canon, no matter how official they are. Other games are even less so.

      Disney published a few novelizations of KP episodes. They would be canon, except for any details unique to them which were not in the original broadcasts.

      Anything which was never part of the original broadcasts, such as anything cut before aired, is not canon.

      Authorized sequels, prequels, side-quels, and mid-quels of a franchise are part of its canon. Reboots and re-imaginings would not be.

      chuckle:: I hoped that helps

      The Disney Animation Classics Canon refers to the productions of Walt Disney Feature Animation.

      Exactly! Since the direct-to-video cheapquels and certain movie-based TV shows (ie: the Aladdin series, the Hercules series, the Lilo & Stitch series, The Emperor's New School, Timon & Pumbaa, etc.) were made by other departments (Disney Television Animation, DisneyToon Studios, etc.) and not by Feature Animation/Walt Disney Animation Studios, they are not officially canon to those films. The only animated feature sequels that are canon and considered as such by the company are The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000 and Winnie the Pooh 2011, since they were made by Walt Disney Animation Studios, the same department that made the original films.

      The general rule of thumb is that the department that creates a canon keeps that canon. For example:

      -Any sequel or TV show based on a Walt Disney Animation Studios/Feature Animation film that gets made by a department other than WDAS is not canon. For instance:

      --The Rescuers to The Rescuers Down Under = Canon

      --Tangled to Tangled Ever After = Canon

      --Frozen to Frozen Fever = Canon

      --Little Mermaid to Little Mermaid II, etc. = Not canon

      --Hunchback to Hunchback II = Not canon

      --Lion King to Lion King II, Lion Guard, etc. = Not canon

      --Pocahontas to Pocahontas II = Not canon

      --Cinderella to Cinderella II and III = Not canon

      --Peter Pan to Return to Neverland, Jake and the Neverland Pirates, etc. = Not canon

      --Aladdin to Return of Jafar, the Aladdin TV series, King of Thieves, etc. = Not canon

      And regarding animated TV shows, the only ones that the company considers canonical are the ones that were primarily original ideas that Disney TV Animation conjured up all by themselves from scratch and are not direct spin-offs or continuations to WDAS films, even if some of them did use established characters (ie: Wuzzles, Gummi Bears, DuckTales, Rescue Rangers, TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck, Bonkers, Gargoyles, Recess, Kim Possible, Phineas & Ferb, Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, The 7D, etc.) as well as shows featuring Mickey & Friends, who they can pretty much do whatever they want with anyway (ie: Goof Troop, Quack Pack, Mickey Mouse Works, House of Mouse, the new Mickey Mouse shorts, etc.). And since the shows I just mentioned were created by TV Animation, they keep those canons and there have been no films, etc. based on those properties made by departments other than TV Animation.

      I hope I've laid it out well.

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    • Well, The 13th Hero. Thanks for everything!

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    • Duke Remington wrote:

      The 13th Hero wrote:

      Love Robin wrote:
      Typically a "canon" is a franchise's main media presentation. So onscreen for moving visuals like movies and shows; in-print for books, comics, etc; games are a tad harder to define with a global blanket.

      accordingly, representations in other and cross-media presentations may or may not be canon. However, there are also degrees of official if produced or authorized by Disney.

      Anyway, for example: the animated series Kim Possible and its "movies/3-parter episodes" are the main canon. The Lilo & Stitch: The Series episode Rufus which featured a crossover of the two series is not necessarily in Kim Possible's canon. Some feel it should be, others not. Even though fan-made and offered DVD sets do include it, it should be noted that when Disney officially released the first and second seasons of KP on DVD, which L&S:Rufus fell somewhere between, they did not include it.

      All the varied appearances KP in backgrounds of other shows might suggest a shared universe, but not a shared canonicity. Had Kim and company appeared on House of Mouse, *especially* in the night club framing segments, would not be.

      Kim Possible games have at least six official products. They are not part of the canon, no matter how official they are. Other games are even less so.

      Disney published a few novelizations of KP episodes. They would be canon, except for any details unique to them which were not in the original broadcasts.

      Anything which was never part of the original broadcasts, such as anything cut before aired, is not canon.

      Authorized sequels, prequels, side-quels, and mid-quels of a franchise are part of its canon. Reboots and re-imaginings would not be.

      chuckle:: I hoped that helps
      The Disney Animation Classics Canon refers to the productions of Walt Disney Feature Animation.

      Exactly! Since the direct-to-video cheapquels were made by other departments (Disney TV Animation, DisneyToon, etc.) and not by Feature Animation/Walt Disney Animation Studios, they are not officially canon to those films. The only animated feature sequels that are canon and considered as such by the company are The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000 and Winnie the Pooh 2011, since they were made by Walt Disney Animation Studios, the same department that made the original films.

      The general rule of thumb is that the department that creates a canon keeps that canon. For example:

      -Any sequel or TV show based on a Walt Disney Animation Studios/Feature Animation film that gets made by a department other than WDAS is not canon. For instance:

      --The Rescuers to The Rescuers Down Under = Canon

      --Tangled to Tangled Ever After = Canon

      --Frozen to Frozen Fever = Canon

      --Little Mermaid to Little Mermaid II, etc. = Not canon

      --Hunchback to Hunchback II = Not canon

      --Lion King to Lion King II, Lion Guard, etc. = Not canon

      --Pocahontas to Pocahontas II = Not canon

      --Cinderella to Cinderella II and III = Not canon

      --Peter Pan to Return to Neverland, Jake and the Neverland Pirates, etc. = Not canon

      --Aladdin to Return of Jafar, the Aladdin TV series, King of Thieves, etc. = Not canon

      And regarding animated TV shows, the only ones that the company considers canonical are the ones that were primarily original ideas that Disney TV Animation conjured up all by themselves and are not direct spin-offs or continuations to WDAS films, even if some of them did use established characters (ie: Wuzzles, Gummi Bears, DuckTales, Rescue Rangers, TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck, Bonkers, Gargoyles, Recess, Kim Possible, Phineas & Ferb, Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, The 7D, etc.) as well as shows featuring Mickey & Friends, who they can pretty much do whatever they want with anyway (ie: Goof Troop, Quack Pack, Mickey Mouse Works, House of Mouse, the new Mickey Mouse shorts, etc.). And since the shows I just mentioned were created by TV Animation, they keep those canons and there have been no films, etc. based on those properties made by departments other than TV Animation.

      I hope I've laid it out well.

      You have, thank you.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:
      Well, The 13th Hero. Thanks for everything!

      You're welcome.

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    • Okay. I've got to go now. Bye.

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    • The Timeless Hero wrote:

      Duke Remington wrote:

      The 13th Hero wrote:

      Love Robin wrote:
      Typically a "canon" is a franchise's main media presentation. So onscreen for moving visuals like movies and shows; in-print for books, comics, etc; games are a tad harder to define with a global blanket.

      accordingly, representations in other and cross-media presentations may or may not be canon. However, there are also degrees of official if produced or authorized by Disney.

      Anyway, for example: the animated series Kim Possible and its "movies/3-parter episodes" are the main canon. The Lilo & Stitch: The Series episode Rufus which featured a crossover of the two series is not necessarily in Kim Possible's canon. Some feel it should be, others not. Even though fan-made and offered DVD sets do include it, it should be noted that when Disney officially released the first and second seasons of KP on DVD, which L&S:Rufus fell somewhere between, they did not include it.

      All the varied appearances KP in backgrounds of other shows might suggest a shared universe, but not a shared canonicity. Had Kim and company appeared on House of Mouse, *especially* in the night club framing segments, would not be.

      Kim Possible games have at least six official products. They are not part of the canon, no matter how official they are. Other games are even less so.

      Disney published a few novelizations of KP episodes. They would be canon, except for any details unique to them which were not in the original broadcasts.

      Anything which was never part of the original broadcasts, such as anything cut before aired, is not canon.

      Authorized sequels, prequels, side-quels, and mid-quels of a franchise are part of its canon. Reboots and re-imaginings would not be.

      chuckle:: I hoped that helps
      The Disney Animation Classics Canon refers to the productions of Walt Disney Feature Animation.

      Exactly! Since the direct-to-video cheapquels were made by other departments (Disney TV Animation, DisneyToon, etc.) and not by Feature Animation/Walt Disney Animation Studios, they are not officially canon to those films. The only animated feature sequels that are canon and considered as such by the company are The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000 and Winnie the Pooh 2011, since they were made by Walt Disney Animation Studios, the same department that made the original films.

      The general rule of thumb is that the department that creates a canon keeps that canon. For example:

      -Any sequel or TV show based on a Walt Disney Animation Studios/Feature Animation film that gets made by a department other than WDAS is not canon. For instance:

      --The Rescuers to The Rescuers Down Under = Canon

      --Tangled to Tangled Ever After = Canon

      --Frozen to Frozen Fever = Canon

      --Little Mermaid to Little Mermaid II, etc. = Not canon

      --Hunchback to Hunchback II = Not canon

      --Lion King to Lion King II, Lion Guard, etc. = Not canon

      --Pocahontas to Pocahontas II = Not canon

      --Cinderella to Cinderella II and III = Not canon

      --Peter Pan to Return to Neverland, Jake and the Neverland Pirates, etc. = Not canon

      --Aladdin to Return of Jafar, the Aladdin TV series, King of Thieves, etc. = Not canon

      And regarding animated TV shows, the only ones that the company considers canonical are the ones that were primarily original ideas that Disney TV Animation conjured up all by themselves and are not direct spin-offs or continuations to WDAS films, even if some of them did use established characters (ie: Wuzzles, Gummi Bears, DuckTales, Rescue Rangers, TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck, Bonkers, Gargoyles, Recess, Kim Possible, Phineas & Ferb, Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, The 7D, etc.) as well as shows featuring Mickey & Friends, who they can pretty much do whatever they want with anyway (ie: Goof Troop, Quack Pack, Mickey Mouse Works, House of Mouse, the new Mickey Mouse shorts, etc.). And since the shows I just mentioned were created by TV Animation, they keep those canons and there have been no films, etc. based on those properties made by departments other than TV Animation.

      I hope I've laid it out well.

      You have, thank you.

      You're welcome. 😀

      I just wish that the Admins here (especially SilverFlight and Hey1234) and certain members like Weedle McHairybug would get these cold hard facts through their thick skulls. 😡

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    • The Disney animated sequels and TV shows are definitely canon, actually (the ads and writers even made clear that The Little Mermaid TV series was canon). Yes, they may not have been made by Walt Disney Animated Studios directly, but then again, Most of the Expanded Universe isn't exactly made by LucasFilm LTD nor are they actually films, yet no one can say they aren't canon (both the Legends universe back before Disney took over and the Expanded Universe after Disney took over), not to mention we've also got the Metal Gear games that generally don't even rerelease games even online if they aren't canon.

      Not to mention, if they wanted the sequels to not be canon, why are they even rereleasing them at all, let alone giving them special editions? Most times when a company wants to view something as non-canon, they avoid it like the plague and try to ensure it never sees the light of day again even with profits. Disney's not even an exception, since Song of the South hasn't seen a rerelease from the Vault due to the (unwarranted) fear of racial backlash, and that's not even getting into Bob Iger's burial of Path to 9/11, despite it being a smash hit, to the extent that it can't even get a DVD release, either directly from Disney or even by selling the rights.

      And since Duke's on here, I might as well point out that Keith Lapinig made clear on his Tumblr account that his own opinions are made independently of the Walt Disney Company, meaning they are NOT to be used as source material.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:
      The Disney animated sequels and TV shows are definitely canon, actually (the ads and writers even made clear that The Little Mermaid TV series was canon). Yes, they may not have been made by Walt Disney Animated Studios directly, but then again, Most of the Expanded Universe isn't exactly made by LucasFilm LTD nor are they actually films, yet no one can say they aren't canon (both the Legends universe back before Disney took over and the Expanded Universe after Disney took over), not to mention we've also got the Metal Gear games that generally don't even rerelease games even online if they aren't canon.

      Not to mention, if they wanted the sequels to not be canon, why are they even rereleasing them at all, let alone giving them special editions? Most times when a company wants to view something as non-canon, they avoid it like the plague and try to ensure it never sees the light of day again even with profits. Disney's not even an exception, since Song of the South hasn't seen a rerelease from the Vault due to the (unwarranted) fear of racial backlash, and that's not even getting into Bob Iger's burial of Path to 9/11, despite it being a smash hit, to the extent that it can't even get a DVD release, either directly from Disney or even by selling the rights.

      And since Duke's on here, I might as well point out that Keith Lapinig made clear on his Tumblr account that his own opinions are made independently of the Walt Disney Company, meaning they are NOT to be used as source material.

      When we say "The Disney Animation Canon", we specifically refer to the animated features made by Walt Disney Feature Animation, from Snow White to Zootropolis.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote: The Disney animated sequels and TV shows are definitely canon, actually (the ads and writers even made clear that The Little Mermaid TV series was canon). Yes, they may not have been made by Walt Disney Animated Studios directly, but then again, Most of the Expanded Universe isn't exactly made by LucasFilm LTD nor are they actually films, yet no one can say they aren't canon (both the Legends universe back before Disney took over and the Expanded Universe after Disney took over), not to mention we've also got the Metal Gear games that generally don't even rerelease games even online if they aren't canon.

      Not to mention, if they wanted the sequels to not be canon, why are they even rereleasing them at all, let alone giving them special editions? Most times when a company wants to view something as non-canon, they avoid it like the plague and try to ensure it never sees the light of day again even with profits. Disney's not even an exception, since Song of the South hasn't seen a rerelease from the Vault due to the (unwarranted) fear of racial backlash, and that's not even getting into Bob Iger's burial of Path to 9/11, despite it being a smash hit, to the extent that it can't even get a DVD release, either directly from Disney or even by selling the rights.

      And since Duke's on here, I might as well point out that Keith Lapinig made clear on his Tumblr account that his own opinions are made independently of the Walt Disney Company, meaning they are NOT to be used as source material.

      Please stop being wrong, stay out of this and stop stalking me! You're only trying to arouse my anger further just to get me in trouble and get me blocked permanently. 😡

      You know that you're not only a broken record, but you darn well that you're always wrong and most people hate your guts to no end. You also need to drop your nasty habits of logic-looping, ignoring admin requests (like you promising not to bother me anymore), injecting politics and right-wing religious views into conversations, writing overly-long annoying posts, acting like a know-it-all and quit thinking that all companies think alike because they don't. 😡

      Stop the instigating and quit acting like such a brat! You're skating on thin ice and getting on my nerves. 😡

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    • Duke Remington wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote: The Disney animated sequels and TV shows are definitely canon, actually (the ads and writers even made clear that The Little Mermaid TV series was canon). Yes, they may not have been made by Walt Disney Animated Studios directly, but then again, Most of the Expanded Universe isn't exactly made by LucasFilm LTD nor are they actually films, yet no one can say they aren't canon (both the Legends universe back before Disney took over and the Expanded Universe after Disney took over), not to mention we've also got the Metal Gear games that generally don't even rerelease games even online if they aren't canon.

      Not to mention, if they wanted the sequels to not be canon, why are they even rereleasing them at all, let alone giving them special editions? Most times when a company wants to view something as non-canon, they avoid it like the plague and try to ensure it never sees the light of day again even with profits. Disney's not even an exception, since Song of the South hasn't seen a rerelease from the Vault due to the (unwarranted) fear of racial backlash, and that's not even getting into Bob Iger's burial of Path to 9/11, despite it being a smash hit, to the extent that it can't even get a DVD release, either directly from Disney or even by selling the rights.

      And since Duke's on here, I might as well point out that Keith Lapinig made clear on his Tumblr account that his own opinions are made independently of the Walt Disney Company, meaning they are NOT to be used as source material.

      Please stop being wrong, stay out of this and stop stalking me! You're only trying to arouse my anger further just to get me in trouble and get me blocked permanently. 😡

      You know that you're not only a broken record, but you darn well that you're always wrong and most people hate your guts to no end. You also need to drop your nasty habits of logic-looping, ignoring admin requests (like you promising not to bother me anymore), injecting politics and right-wing religious views into conversations, writing overly-long annoying posts, acting like a know-it-all and quit thinking that all companies think alike because they don't. 😡

      Stop the instigating and quit acting like such a brat! You're skating on thin ice and getting on my nerves. 😡

      Actually, I was just responding to the topic. I didn't even know this topic existed until a day or two ago. If I wanted to deliberately get you angered, I would have made sure to make you angry, by posting threatening images, or calling you names not to be repeated on here, or any of those stuff. I'd know that's what I would have done because plenty of others have done it to me and to other people on forums.

      And anyways, the TC asked what are canon, all I did was just give a response as to what was canon. Even if you weren't there, my answer would have been exactly the same. I may have mentioned you in my post, but only to offset the possibility that you would cite Keith Lapinig as a reliable source when he made clear his own statements would have been thrown out of court if used, never to anger you.

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    • Please shut up and stop responding, Weedle. You ARE angering me and telling lies to TC.

      Everyone else on this topic already believes me, so please take your overly-long annoying posts out of this topic and go elsewhere and LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!! 😡

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    • Lies? I cited actual sources, stuff that actually can be verified. I'm not lying at all. In fact, I make it a point to AVOID lying. But, hey, I'll leave.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:
      Lies? I cited actual sources, stuff that actually can be verified. I'm not lying at all. In fact, I make it a point to AVOID lying. But, hey, I'll leave.

      When we say "The Disney Animation Canon", we specifically refer to the animated features made by Walt Disney Feature Animation, from Snow White to Zootropolis.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Duke Remington wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote: The Disney animated sequels and TV shows are definitely canon, actually (the ads and writers even made clear that The Little Mermaid TV series was canon). Yes, they may not have been made by Walt Disney Animated Studios directly, but then again, Most of the Expanded Universe isn't exactly made by LucasFilm LTD nor are they actually films, yet no one can say they aren't canon (both the Legends universe back before Disney took over and the Expanded Universe after Disney took over), not to mention we've also got the Metal Gear games that generally don't even rerelease games even online if they aren't canon.

      Not to mention, if they wanted the sequels to not be canon, why are they even rereleasing them at all, let alone giving them special editions? Most times when a company wants to view something as non-canon, they avoid it like the plague and try to ensure it never sees the light of day again even with profits. Disney's not even an exception, since Song of the South hasn't seen a rerelease from the Vault due to the (unwarranted) fear of racial backlash, and that's not even getting into Bob Iger's burial of Path to 9/11, despite it being a smash hit, to the extent that it can't even get a DVD release, either directly from Disney or even by selling the rights.

      And since Duke's on here, I might as well point out that Keith Lapinig made clear on his Tumblr account that his own opinions are made independently of the Walt Disney Company, meaning they are NOT to be used as source material.

      Please stop being wrong, stay out of this and stop stalking me! You're only trying to arouse my anger further just to get me in trouble and get me blocked permanently. 😡

      You know that you're not only a broken record, but you darn well that you're always wrong and most people hate your guts to no end. You also need to drop your nasty habits of logic-looping, ignoring admin requests (like you promising not to bother me anymore), injecting politics and right-wing religious views into conversations, writing overly-long annoying posts, acting like a know-it-all and quit thinking that all companies think alike because they don't. 😡

      Stop the instigating and quit acting like such a brat! You're skating on thin ice and getting on my nerves. 😡

      Actually, I was just responding to the topic. I didn't even know this topic existed until a day or two ago. If I wanted to deliberately get you angered, I would have made sure to make you angry, by posting threatening images, or calling you names not to be repeated on here, or any of those stuff. I'd know that's what I would have done because plenty of others have done it to me and to other people on forums.

      And anyways, the TC asked what are canon, all I did was just give a response as to what was canon. Even if you weren't there, my answer would have been exactly the same. I may have mentioned you in my post, but only to offset the possibility that you would cite Keith Lapinig as a reliable source when he made clear his own statements would have been thrown out of court if used, never to anger you.

      Excuse me! Weedle McHairybug, hello! Uh, I'm sorry about you are angered at someone. I was wondering could you ask me about Mickey Mouse's faithful dog, Pluto? I can help Pluto the Pup for the designer and animator and director by Larry D. Whitaker, Jr. and I hope you like it.

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    • Tylerjewell wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Duke Remington wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote: The Disney animated sequels and TV shows are definitely canon, actually (the ads and writers even made clear that The Little Mermaid TV series was canon). Yes, they may not have been made by Walt Disney Animated Studios directly, but then again, Most of the Expanded Universe isn't exactly made by LucasFilm LTD nor are they actually films, yet no one can say they aren't canon (both the Legends universe back before Disney took over and the Expanded Universe after Disney took over), not to mention we've also got the Metal Gear games that generally don't even rerelease games even online if they aren't canon.

      Not to mention, if they wanted the sequels to not be canon, why are they even rereleasing them at all, let alone giving them special editions? Most times when a company wants to view something as non-canon, they avoid it like the plague and try to ensure it never sees the light of day again even with profits. Disney's not even an exception, since Song of the South hasn't seen a rerelease from the Vault due to the (unwarranted) fear of racial backlash, and that's not even getting into Bob Iger's burial of Path to 9/11, despite it being a smash hit, to the extent that it can't even get a DVD release, either directly from Disney or even by selling the rights.

      And since Duke's on here, I might as well point out that Keith Lapinig made clear on his Tumblr account that his own opinions are made independently of the Walt Disney Company, meaning they are NOT to be used as source material.

      Please stop being wrong, stay out of this and stop stalking me! You're only trying to arouse my anger further just to get me in trouble and get me blocked permanently. 😡

      You know that you're not only a broken record, but you darn well that you're always wrong and most people hate your guts to no end. You also need to drop your nasty habits of logic-looping, ignoring admin requests (like you promising not to bother me anymore), injecting politics and right-wing religious views into conversations, writing overly-long annoying posts, acting like a know-it-all and quit thinking that all companies think alike because they don't. 😡

      Stop the instigating and quit acting like such a brat! You're skating on thin ice and getting on my nerves. 😡

      Actually, I was just responding to the topic. I didn't even know this topic existed until a day or two ago. If I wanted to deliberately get you angered, I would have made sure to make you angry, by posting threatening images, or calling you names not to be repeated on here, or any of those stuff. I'd know that's what I would have done because plenty of others have done it to me and to other people on forums.

      And anyways, the TC asked what are canon, all I did was just give a response as to what was canon. Even if you weren't there, my answer would have been exactly the same. I may have mentioned you in my post, but only to offset the possibility that you would cite Keith Lapinig as a reliable source when he made clear his own statements would have been thrown out of court if used, never to anger you.

      Excuse me! Weedle McHairybug, hello! Uh, I'm sorry about you are angered at someone. I was wondering could you ask me about Mickey Mouse's faithful dog, Pluto? I can help Pluto the Pup for the designer and animator and director by Larry D. Whitaker, Jr. and I hope you like it.

      Wow, you're really obsessed with Whitaker and Pluto, aren't you?

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    • The Timeless Hero wrote:

      Tylerjewell wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Duke Remington wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote: The Disney animated sequels and TV shows are definitely canon, actually (the ads and writers even made clear that The Little Mermaid TV series was canon). Yes, they may not have been made by Walt Disney Animated Studios directly, but then again, Most of the Expanded Universe isn't exactly made by LucasFilm LTD nor are they actually films, yet no one can say they aren't canon (both the Legends universe back before Disney took over and the Expanded Universe after Disney took over), not to mention we've also got the Metal Gear games that generally don't even rerelease games even online if they aren't canon.

      Not to mention, if they wanted the sequels to not be canon, why are they even rereleasing them at all, let alone giving them special editions? Most times when a company wants to view something as non-canon, they avoid it like the plague and try to ensure it never sees the light of day again even with profits. Disney's not even an exception, since Song of the South hasn't seen a rerelease from the Vault due to the (unwarranted) fear of racial backlash, and that's not even getting into Bob Iger's burial of Path to 9/11, despite it being a smash hit, to the extent that it can't even get a DVD release, either directly from Disney or even by selling the rights.

      And since Duke's on here, I might as well point out that Keith Lapinig made clear on his Tumblr account that his own opinions are made independently of the Walt Disney Company, meaning they are NOT to be used as source material.

      Please stop being wrong, stay out of this and stop stalking me! You're only trying to arouse my anger further just to get me in trouble and get me blocked permanently. 😡

      You know that you're not only a broken record, but you darn well that you're always wrong and most people hate your guts to no end. You also need to drop your nasty habits of logic-looping, ignoring admin requests (like you promising not to bother me anymore), injecting politics and right-wing religious views into conversations, writing overly-long annoying posts, acting like a know-it-all and quit thinking that all companies think alike because they don't. 😡

      Stop the instigating and quit acting like such a brat! You're skating on thin ice and getting on my nerves. 😡

      Actually, I was just responding to the topic. I didn't even know this topic existed until a day or two ago. If I wanted to deliberately get you angered, I would have made sure to make you angry, by posting threatening images, or calling you names not to be repeated on here, or any of those stuff. I'd know that's what I would have done because plenty of others have done it to me and to other people on forums.

      And anyways, the TC asked what are canon, all I did was just give a response as to what was canon. Even if you weren't there, my answer would have been exactly the same. I may have mentioned you in my post, but only to offset the possibility that you would cite Keith Lapinig as a reliable source when he made clear his own statements would have been thrown out of court if used, never to anger you.

      Excuse me! Weedle McHairybug, hello! Uh, I'm sorry about you are angered at someone. I was wondering could you ask me about Mickey Mouse's faithful dog, Pluto? I can help Pluto the Pup for the designer and animator and director by Larry D. Whitaker, Jr. and I hope you like it.

      Wow, you're really obsessed with Whitaker and Pluto, aren't you?

      Yes, I'll explain later.

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    • Duke Remington wrote: Please shut up and stop responding, Weedle. You ARE angering me and telling lies to TC.

      Everyone else on this topic already believes me, so please take your overly-long annoying posts out of this topic and go elsewhere and LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!! 😡

      Excuse me! Duke Remington, hello! I'm sorry about you are angered at someone. I was wondering if you can help me with Larry D. Whitaker, Jr. for Pluto the Pup. Didn't you just objection for some describe it?

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    • Um, aren't DuckTales (and by extension, Darkwing Duck), Rescue Rangers, TaleSpin, Goof Troop, Quack Pack, Mickey Mouse Works, House of Mouse, the new Mickey Mouse shorts, and The 7D all spin-offs of productions from the theatrical animation department? By Duke's logic, that means THEY'RE not canon to the movies and shorts they're spun off from either.

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    • Love Robin wrote: [T]he animated series Kim Possible and its "movies/3-parter episodes" are the main canon. The Lilo & Stitch: The Series episode Rufus which featured a crossover of the two series is not necessarily in Kim Possible's canon. Some feel it should be, others not. Even though fan-made and offered DVD sets do include it, it should be noted that when Disney officially released the first and second seasons of KP on DVD, which L&S:Rufus fell somewhere between, they did not include it.

      Um, I'm pretty sure the reason the "Rufus" episode of Lilo & Stitch wasn't included on either of the first two Kim Possible season sets was more because Disney for some reason thinks most of their TV DVDs aren't worthy of having bonus features. (Besides, at the time of this writing, Disney still hasn't released the third and fourth seasons on DVD; if Disney actually realizes that bonus content for TV DVDs is a good idea, they could just include the Lilo & Stitch episode on the Season 3 set.)

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    • Yeah, for some reason Disney doesn't seem to want my money. So they have only themselves to blame if I get my KP DVD "fix" from shady back-alley vendors…

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    • For me Fantasia, Saludos Amigos, The Three Caballeros, Make Mine Music, Fun and Fancy Free, Melody Time, The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad and Fantasia 2000 would have to be uncanonised.

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    • 701847 wrote:
      For me Fantasia, Saludos Amigos, The Three Caballeros, Make Mine Music, Fun and Fancy Free, Melody Time, The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad and Fantasia 2000 would have to be uncanonised.

      And why?

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    • Because they are compilations of independant tales and not complete movies.

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    • 701847 wrote:
      Because they are compilations of independant tales and not complete movies.

      But they're still made by the same studio

      By that logic, the Winnie the Pooh should be as well, because they're not "complete movies"

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