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  • I know that Belle's offical time-stamp has been up for debate as there is no confirmation in the original movie, and the audio commentary does not state so other wise. However on the audio commentary of the Hunchback of Notre Dame the film makers confirmed that is infact Belle. Would that count as an offical time period for her? IE the 15th century

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    • Well, the book of The Hunchback of Notre Dame was written in 1831 by Victor Hugo. Judging by imagery in the book and the dates specified the timestamp can be placed in the early 1480s. However, Beauty and the Beast was first published in 1740. With no specified time given, there is no way to tell. However, the author was born in La Rochelle, which we can assume is the location of the story. Considering La Rochelle was seiged in 1224 by the French, the story can be placed between 1224-1481. Since Belle does not appear past fifty (quite possibly) in Hunchback, Belle's official time period can be placed between 1431 and 1481. Now, this also brings up an interesting point:

      If Carpet and Pumbaa are also present in that scene, what is to be determined of those films? Since The Lion King is timeless, Aladdin is the real issue. We can assume that the film takes place before, judging by the conditions in Agrabah and the fact that Carpet is probably immortal. But, with research, I have determined that the film takes place around 1299-1453, assuming the Sultan is of the Ottoman Empire based on the appearance of Mehmed II, the sultan he looks the most like.


      So basically, Hunchback takes place in 1741, with Belle having been born at anytime from 1431 to 1461 (may be inaccurate) and (if the Sultan is of the Ottoman Empire) Aladdin would have found the lamp and Carpet at any time between 1299-1453, which would mean that Aladdin could very well be in the same time period.

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    • Popsfootloose10169 wrote:
      Well, the book of The Hunchback of Notre Dame was written in 1831 by Victor Hugo. Judging by imagery in the book and the dates specified the timestamp can be placed in the early 1480s. However, Beauty and the Beast was first published in 1740. With no specified time given, there is no way to tell. However, the author was born in La Rochelle, which we can assume is the location of the story. Considering La Rochelle was seiged in 1224 by the French, the story can be placed between 1224-1481. Since Belle does not appear past fifty (quite possibly) in Hunchback, Belle's official time period can be placed between 1431 and 1481. Now, this also brings up an interesting point:

      If Carpet and Pumbaa are also present in that scene, what is to be determined of those films? Since The Lion King is timeless, Aladdin is the real issue. We can assume that the film takes place before, judging by the conditions in Agrabah and the fact that Carpet is probably immortal. But, with research, I have determined that the film takes place around 1299-1453, assuming the Sultan is of the Ottoman Empire based on the appearance of Mehmed II, the sultan he looks the most like.


      So basically, Hunchback takes place in 1741, with Belle having been born at anytime from 1431 to 1461 (may be inaccurate) and (if the Sultan is of the Ottoman Empire) Aladdin would have found the lamp and Carpet at any time between 1299-1453, which would mean that Aladdin could very well be in the same time period.

      Except the TV series and that crossover episode with Hercules strongly implied that it took place during the Helenistic era. Who knows, the carpet's owner may have been long dead and the carpet went freelance to some extent. And given the fact that its a "magic carpet," and it surviving being crushed by a rock and freeing itself without any wear or tear, I'm pretty sure it would last a good while in time.

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    • Ah. Good point. I forgot about that. So then the time period between Aladdin, Hunchback, and Beauty and the Beast would be 323 B.C. to A.D. 1481.

      Pumbaa could have traveled from Africa (He and Timon are capable of that.), Belle meets the Beast sometime after Quasimodo meets Esmerelda, Hercules went to high school (if you count that as canon) and Aladdin married Jasmine in 323 B.C., and Carpet survived for 1804 years past the discovery of him in the Cave of Wonders. However, his magic may have worn off due to him being sold in the own square. Also, now that I think about it, Simba must have killed Scar earlier than Hercules, since Scar becomes a headpiece.

      Now, with all of these easter eggs in these films it bring up another question: What is the exact timeline of the Disney films? I'm gonna spend some time on this and make a post about it later. There's obviously a timeline, right?

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    • Popsfootloose10169 wrote:
      Ah. Good point. I forgot about that. So then the time period between Aladdin, Hunchback, and Beauty and the Beast would be 323 B.C. to A.D. 1481.

      Pumbaa could have traveled from Africa (He and Timon are capable of that.), Belle meets the Beast sometime after Quasimodo meets Esmerelda, Hercules went to high school (if you count that as canon) and Aladdin married Jasmine in 323 B.C., and Carpet survived for 1804 years past the discovery of him in the Cave of Wonders. However, his magic may have worn off due to him being sold in the own square. Also, now that I think about it, Simba must have killed Scar earlier than Hercules, since Scar becomes a headpiece.

      Now, with all of these easter eggs in these films it bring up another question: What is the exact timeline of the Disney films? I'm gonna spend some time on this and make a post about it later. There's obviously a timeline, right?

      If we're going to go by animated canon alone (not counting pieces such as Fantasia, and only going by things clearly taking place on our Earth, meaning Mickey Mouse/Goof Troop/Donald Duck/The Muppets/House of Mouse don't count, and films directly made by Disney themselves and not a subsidary of them [ie, Marvel Comics and LucasFilm does not count]):

      • Aladdin, Hercules, possibly The Lion King, and possibly Atlantis: The Lost EmpireTemplate:'s prologue took place during the Helenistic Era. Prince of Persia might also take place during this time.
      • Considering the real life origins of the Mulan story, its very likely to take place in 3rd-1st Century BC.
      • As Robin Hood technically takes place in our world (animals playing various characters, aside), its clear it took place during the sixth-eighth centuries (due to the Crusades).
      • Sword in the Stone most likely takes place during the late zeroth millenium AD (you know, 1 AD-999 AD).
      • Sleeping Beauty is explicitly stated to take place in the 13th Century.
      • Hunchback of Notre Dame is in the 15th century (although whether it actually takes place alongside Beauty and the Beast or not is debatable).
      • Pocahontas is pretty obviously 15-16th century due to the main plot being the founding of Virginia.
      • Legend of Sleepy Hollow is obviously 16th century.
      • Assuming Hunchback's cameo is non-canon, Beauty and the Beast is most likely 18th Century (immediately preceding the French Revolution)
      • The Little Mermaid (thanks to Metal Fish), Cinderella (thanks to the King and the Duke's cameo in TLM), Tangled, and Frozen (both confirmed in The Art of Frozen) all take place during the 19th Century. Possibly Home on the Range as well, since it dealt with the Wild West in America. If I had to guess, Rapunzel and Frozen most likely took place between Morgana's attack and the main events of Return to the Sea, since Melody is 12 by the main events (then again, its ambiguous exactly how long it took between the marriage and Melody's birth).
      • The Great Mouse Detective, due to cameos from Sherlock Holmes and Watson, suggest that it takes place during the late 19th century, early 20th century.
      • Peter Pan, the main events of Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and The Princess and the Frog all takes place during the early-to-mid 20th Century (with Peter Pan 2 obviously taking place during the Blitzkreig of World War II, and a throwaway line in Atlantis regarding the Kaiser in Germany implying that the main movie was occurring during World War I. PatF obviously takes place during the roaring twenties, nearing the end of them in fact.). Lady and the Tramp most likely take place at that time period as well, and Aristocats most likely takes place during the mid 20th century.
      • The Rescuers and Oliver and Company pretty clearly take place during the present day (late-20th Century).
      • Lilo and Stitch, Recess, Kim Possible, and The Proud Family most likely take place during the 1990s (largely due to the Recess kids appearance in Lilo and Stitch, which had them being in the 1998 school year, and their clearly being beyond the fourth grade by that point).

      So far, the only ones not accounted for are Snow White, Emperor's New Groove (a lot of the things in that film makes its exact placement in time ambiguous) and possibly Meridia as well, unless the Art Book states anything (we know that her location is based on Scotland due to her accent). Technically also Beauty and the Beast, as theres conflicting evidence either way. I might have missed a few, but this is pretty much all I've got right now.

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    • Good work.

      Brave takes place before the Scottish Wars of Independence. My guess is that it was during the High Middle Ages (900-1286).

      Snow White... Hmm... Well, the fable was written in 1812 by the Brothers Grimm and meant to be medieval Germany. It probably took place around the mid-600s.

      Emperor's New Groove and Kronk's New Groove would be sometime after 1427 and before 1519.


      I've been looking up easter eggs found in films. In Frozen, Rapunzel and Flynn Rider attend the coronation. If I am correct, both Frozen and Tangled, while using modern pop culture references, take place in the late 1600s.

      I'm still working on this, but it is very interesting to link these together. Looks like Disney Infinity is now a time travel game.

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    • Popsfootloose10169 wrote:
      Good work.

      Brave takes place before the Scottish Wars of Independence. My guess is that it was during the High Middle Ages (900-1286).

      Snow White... Hmm... Well, the fable was written in 1812 by the Brothers Grimm and meant to be medieval Germany. It probably took place around the mid-600s.

      Emperor's New Groove and Kronk's New Groove would be sometime after 1427 and before 1519.


      I've been looking up easter eggs found in films. In Frozen, Rapunzel and Flynn Rider attend the coronation. If I am correct, both Frozen and Tangled, while using modern pop culture references, take place in the late 1600s.

      I'm still working on this, but it is very interesting to link these together. Looks like Disney Infinity is now a time travel game.

      Actually, Art of Frozen stated that the events of Frozen took place during the 1840s.

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    • ...Oh. So wait... Rapunzel and Flynn either traveled through time or they bumped the time to when the Brothers Grimm made the story famous. Alright.


      Here are easter eggs that can help (Aurora in Oliver is impossible, so I choose not to count it):

      http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/27-disney-movie-easter-eggs-you-may-have-seriously-never-not

      http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/22-pixar-movie-easter-eggs-you-may-have-seriously-never-noti

      http://www.pixartheory.com/

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/13/frozen-easter-eggs_n_4441052.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment

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    • In regards to the magic carpet as it also appeared in Princess and the Frog I would say its an enchanted carpet and can survive the passage of time. The only thing that can damage the carpet is magic which we have seen when Jafar unravled it in the first movie and shattered it in the 2nd movie. So Disney can easily place it wherever they want to. In regards to pumba the lion king could honestly happen at any point given how it is just animals so Pumba's cameo means it could of been in the 15th century. However the biggest question which I still pose is Belle's. Since the writers and directors of The Hunchback confirmed it was Belle does that count as canon or not? If offical Disney people are saying this how can it be debated?

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    • Just in Beauty and the Beast takes place in the 18th century(1700's per Glen Keane) Beauty and the Beast Diamond Edition Disc 2 the making of Beauty and the Beast.

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    • I don't really count the easter eggs or cameo's but I found this: (BTW I added Merida and Anna/Elsa)  http://d-princesses.livejournal.com/1104677.html


      Snow White Time Period: 1500's-1550's
      I chose this time period based on the clothing worn by The Evil Queen, Snow White, and The Prince. While it looks "generic medieval" at first glance, the collars worn by TEQ and Snow White and Snow White's slashed sleeves are very reminiscent of early 1500's fashion, and The Prince's clothing looks like a less flashy variant of men's clothing at the time.
      Location: The Low Countries
      A lot of people place Snow White in Germany, or rather, where modern-day Germany is; before the 1800's, this area was home to many independent kingdoms loosely united under the Holy Roman Empire. I place it in the Low Countries (modern-day Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg) because of the clogs Snow White wears while she's a servant. It's still a Germanic region, so it's not that big a shift.

      Cinderella Time Period: 1850's-1880's
      Once again, clothing played a factor. Drizella and Anastasia wear dresses with bustles, while Cinderella's dress was probably worn with a crinoline. I'm more inclined to believe the movie proper takes place during the 1870's-1880's, while the prologue where we see Cinderella's father meeting up with Lady Tremaine takes place during the 1850's-1860's. The Fairy Godmother might have been "behind the times", which would explain Cinderella's dress being from an earlier time period. Also, most of the men wear the military-style jackets as formal wear, which places the setting as very Victorian.
      Location: Germany
      The film can't take place in France, for what I hope are obvious reasons. Germany would not have been completely united at this point, so I picture the film taking place in some kingdom along the French-German border that got passed back and forth a lot.

      Aurora Time Period: 1400's-1500's
      Philip has the line, "After all, this is the fourteenth century!", but the clothing is more similar to the early Renaissance fashions than those of the medieval fourteenth century. Let's just assume Philip/the script-writers meant the fifteenth century/1400's.
      Location: Northern Italy
      At this point in time, Italy would have been a bunch of independent countries, Northern Italy in particular. Blonde hair worn in a loose style and off-shoulder gowns were very popular in Northern Italy during this time. I picture Stefan's kingdom is in Northern Italy, and Hubert's kingdom is in southern Germany, with both countries bordering the Alps.

      Ariel Time Period: 1650's-1700's, 1830's-1840's/1890's-1900's
      The first of many headaches. These are the time periods when huge poofy sleeves would have been in fashion. The late 1600's was The Golden Age of piracy and of sailing in general. The late 1800's/early 1900's was another important age in sailing.
      Location: Portugal, Monaco
      While watching the film, the scenery gave me the impression that it took place in Portugal. Portugal is a country on the Atlantic Ocean, it is a very warm place, it has a long history of sailing, and there is a variant of the name "Eric" there. And, during the late 1600's, it had recently regained its independence from Spain and was still a monarchy. Monaco is a tiny country between France and Italy situated along the Mediterranean. French is largely spoken there, followed by Italian, and it would be one of the few countries along the Mediterranean that was still a monarchy during the 1830's-1840's/1890's-1900's. Plus, it would explain why they have a French chef and an Italian maid.

      Belle Time Period: 1750-1795
      Mainly from the clothing, once again. Especially the concept art.
      Location: France
      Obviously.

      Jasmine Time Period: Achaemenid Empire
      Location: Agrabah
      The Achaemenid Empire, a.k.a. The Persian Empire, stretched from the Indus Valley to Thrace and Macedon. It was a huge empire originating in modern-day Iran. I know the film takes place in an "Arabian" kingdom, but the clothing, buildings, and everything Jasmine is able to get away with points more toward Persian. The Persian Empire included parts of the Arabian Peninsula, so Agrabah could be a kingdom in that region. I chose this time period of Iranian history to make the scenes in Greece during "A Whole New World" and the crossover with Hercules possible. (I'm not going to bother with the other scenes during the "A Whole New World"; the time when the Sphinx of Giza was built and the time when fireworks were invented are thousands of years apart.)

      Pocahontas Time Period: 1607
      Location: Jamestown, Virginia
      Wow, that was easy! :)

      Mulan Time Period: Han Dynasty, Tang Dynasty
      I wanted to pull my hair out after researching this. None of the major elements in the movie take place during the same dynasty--The Great Wall was started in the Qin Dynasty, the Huns/Xiongu were pushed back for the final time during the Han Dynasty, fireworks weren't invented until the Tang Dynasty, The Forbidden City wasn't built until the Ming Dynasty...plus there's footbinding to consider, and it wasn't introduced until the Tang Dynasty. I lean toward the Han Dynasty for the invasion of the Huns/Xiongu and the clothes, and the Tang Dynasty for actually having fireworks. Both ushered in times of great prosperity to China, so take your pick.
      Location: China
      Obviously.

      Tiana Time Period: 1916-1926
      When Tiana and her mother get on the bus during the prologue, a man is reading a newspaper that has an announcement about Woodrow Wilson winning the presidency, which places it in 1916, and the film proper takes place ten years later.
      Location: New Orleans, U.S.A.
      Obviously.

      Rapunzel Time Period: 1795-1820's
      There is concept art for Tangled that shows the late 1700's/early 1800's was the look that the filmmakers were going for, plus Regency-era fashion and its continuation would be very flattering on Rapunzel. Plus, Mozart has to exist and have reached popularity by the time the film starts.
      Location: Northern Italy, Archduchy of Austria/Austrian Empire
      Partly because of the names, partly because of the Mozart name-drop, but I picture Tangled taking place in a small country in Italy close to Austria, if not in Austria itself.


      Merida

      Time period: 700s - 1200s

      Location: Actually even though the producers say its Scotland I have reason to believe that the story is actually set in Ireland.

      Anna and Elsa

      Time period: 1795-1820's

      The apperance of Rapunzel really made me over think this. Normally I'm against cameo's and easter eggs but the plot bunny of having Eugene and Rapunzel's daughter marry Kristoff and Anna's son would not leave my head!!

      Location: Norway.

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    • Wouldn't Ariel be during the 1830s thanks to Metal Fish (and Anderson wasn't a mere cameo, as he pretty much was the focus of that episode).

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    • Ariel's time period is clearly 1830s at that makes the most amount of sense. What did you think about Glen keane confirming Belle's time period?

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    • Rob52xbhs wrote:
      Ariel's time period is clearly 1830s at that makes the most amount of sense. What did you think about Glen keane confirming Belle's time period?

      Is this the commentary for Hunchback of Notre Dame, the commentary for Beauty and the Beast, or somewhere else?

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    • Glen's comment is on Beauty and the Beast Diamond Edition. I'm guessing when it comes to that cameo they just plopped her into the movie as it takes place in France. Glen's comment is on the creation of Beauty and the Beast. I mean I can't see how it can be questioned.

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    • Rob52xbhs wrote:
      Glen's comment is on Beauty and the Beast Diamond Edition. I'm guessing when it comes to that cameo they just plopped her into the movie as it takes place in France. Glen's comment is on the creation of Beauty and the Beast. I mean I can't see how it can be questioned.

      Well, since that's the movie she originated in, I guess it takes precedence. Hopefully they'll give an in-universe explanation for the Belle lookalike in Hunchback (like, I don't know, claiming that's Belle's great-great-great-grandmother or something) in the commentary, similar to similar stunts Star Wars has pulled over the course of things.

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    • I listened to the audio-commentary and they just said because they worked on Beauty and the Beast they added Belle for that cameo. It feel it was more of a joke/right for the directors/animators as they worked on both films they did pretty much because they could. But since on the making of Beauty and the Beast itself it is stated it takes place in the 18th century I think we found our time period.

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    • Rob52xbhs wrote:
      I listened to the audio-commentary and they just said because they worked on Beauty and the Beast they added Belle for that cameo. It feel it was more of a joke/right for the directors/animators as they worked on both films they did pretty much because they could. But since on the making of Beauty and the Beast itself it is stated it takes place in the 18th century I think we found our time period.

      Maybe, though I still wish they would give an in-universe explanation for this sort of thing. I know in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, they basically had Johnny Sasaki appear as his grandfather just so they had an excuse to have Naked Snake escape Groznyj Grad like his son in MGS1, and that series is definitely not a children's series at all.

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    • Well I have the head animator for Beauty and the Beast saying it takes place in the 18th century. I don't think you can get a more exact answer. Then i have the people on the commentary for hunchback saying they worked on beauty and the beast so they just added her in because it takes place it France thats your explanition. I can't specify it more than that.

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    • I'm guessing that we ruined Descendents for everyone. lol

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    • lol no not really. im just glad i got a clear answer of which time period Belle comes from

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    • @Princessfan, about BatB's time period, try 1750-1785. 1795 would be far too late due to the French Revolution and the subsequent reign of terror massacring the monarchy (meaning Adam's most likely dead as a result of the Revolution, and Belle would have to worry about far more than how much of a "boring provincial life" her village is, as in, she'd have to fear for her life from the massacres that most likely were occurring, assuming of course she wasn't a Jacobin). The monarchy wasn't even restored until Napoleon took power in 1799.

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    • I cant give specfic dates however Belle is a princess of the 18th century per Glen Keane

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    • Rob52xbhs wrote: I cant give specfic dates however Belle is a princess of the 18th century per Glen Keane

      I know, I was just saying she has to be prior to 1789 thanks to the French Revolution, which destroyed the monarchy, albeit temporarily.

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    • I don't think every real life event happens in Disney movies though. Because in Pocahontas John Smith was younger than his real life counter part, and Pocahontas was older than her's. Like I said with Belle I am glad  I found an offical century but I really dont think Disney would allow the French Revolution to kill Belle and Adam and or their children.

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    • Rob52xbhs wrote: I don't think every real life event happens in Disney movies though. Because in Pocahontas John Smith was younger than his real life counter part, and Pocahontas was older than her's. Like I said with Belle I am glad  I found an offical century but I really dont think Disney would allow the French Revolution to kill Belle and Adam and or their children.

      Yes, but they still kept the basics of the first meeting in the case of Pocahontas. I picked 1785 since that would at least take into account The Enchanted Christmas alongside some sequels from that series (like that village novelization thing).

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    • had they not of kept the first meeting of pocahontas then the movie would of been a different plot.

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    • Princessfan wrote:
      Merida

      Time period: 700s - 1200s

      Location: Actually even though the producers say its Scotland I have reason to believe that the story is actually set in Ireland.

      Could you be more specific? I'm curious to hear what you can say about it. You can't really say that it's inIreland since it's clearly set in Scotland: the menhirs, the higlands, the scottish accents, names, makeup and clothing, everything is clearly Scottish and it wasn't just the production, it was clearly stated. It's like you're saying Beauty and the Beast is in Italy and not in France!

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    • Would love to know how the new movie has changed, or not changed, any of your time period thoughts for when it's set, especially with the war reference with Lefou and Gaston and his uniform.

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    • we know for certain it takes place during the mid 14th century now since the scene with belle's mother dying shows the doctor in the beard beak outfit (idk what it's called) worn during the black death.

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    • ^ It's supposed to be a plague, it doesn't have to be the black death. 

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    • interesting

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    • Princessfan wrote: ^ It's supposed to be a plague, it doesn't have to be the black death. 

      Not to mention even if it were the black death, it should be noted that the last widespread outbreak of the plague in France was in 1720 within Paris, which actually gives a hint to Belle's potential birthdate.

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    • Who cares which shows take place in the same universe. References like Belle's cameo and such were clearly added as inside jokes. They're not meant to be taken seriously.

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    • Popsfootloose10169 wrote:
      Well, the book of The Hunchback of Notre Dame was written in 1831 by Victor Hugo. Judging by imagery in the book and the dates specified the timestamp can be placed in the early 1480s. However, Beauty and the Beast was first published in 1740. With no specified time given, there is no way to tell. However, the author was born in La Rochelle, which we can assume is the location of the story. Considering La Rochelle was seiged in 1224 by the French, the story can be placed between 1224-1481. Since Belle does not appear past fifty (quite possibly) in Hunchback, Belle's official time period can be placed between 1431 and 1481. Now, this also brings up an interesting point:

      If Carpet and Pumbaa are also present in that scene, what is to be determined of those films? Since The Lion King is timeless, Aladdin is the real issue. We can assume that the film takes place before, judging by the conditions in Agrabah and the fact that Carpet is probably immortal. But, with research, I have determined that the film takes place around 1299-1453, assuming the Sultan is of the Ottoman Empire based on the appearance of Mehmed II, the sultan he looks the most like.


      So basically, Hunchback takes place in 1741, with Belle having been born at anytime from 1431 to 1461 (may be inaccurate) and (if the Sultan is of the Ottoman Empire) Aladdin would have found the lamp and Carpet at any time between 1299-1453, which would mean that Aladdin could very well be in the same time period.

      But then you run into a massive issue with Aladdin, because it has canonically crossed over with Hercules, which predates Mulan (220's AD), but can't happen earlier than 1000 BC due to an obscene amount of anachronisms.

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    • Princessfan wrote:
      I don't really count the easter eggs or cameo's but I found this: (BTW I added Merida and Anna/Elsa)  http://d-princesses.livejournal.com/1104677.html


      Snow White Time Period: 1500's-1550's
      I chose this time period based on the clothing worn by The Evil Queen, Snow White, and The Prince. While it looks "generic medieval" at first glance, the collars worn by TEQ and Snow White and Snow White's slashed sleeves are very reminiscent of early 1500's fashion, and The Prince's clothing looks like a less flashy variant of men's clothing at the time.
      Location: The Low Countries
      A lot of people place Snow White in Germany, or rather, where modern-day Germany is; before the 1800's, this area was home to many independent kingdoms loosely united under the Holy Roman Empire. I place it in the Low Countries (modern-day Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg) because of the clogs Snow White wears while she's a servant. It's still a Germanic region, so it's not that big a shift.

      Cinderella Time Period: 1850's-1880's
      Once again, clothing played a factor. Drizella and Anastasia wear dresses with bustles, while Cinderella's dress was probably worn with a crinoline. I'm more inclined to believe the movie proper takes place during the 1870's-1880's, while the prologue where we see Cinderella's father meeting up with Lady Tremaine takes place during the 1850's-1860's. The Fairy Godmother might have been "behind the times", which would explain Cinderella's dress being from an earlier time period. Also, most of the men wear the military-style jackets as formal wear, which places the setting as very Victorian.
      Location: Germany
      The film can't take place in France, for what I hope are obvious reasons. Germany would not have been completely united at this point, so I picture the film taking place in some kingdom along the French-German border that got passed back and forth a lot.

      Aurora Time Period: 1400's-1500's
      Philip has the line, "After all, this is the fourteenth century!", but the clothing is more similar to the early Renaissance fashions than those of the medieval fourteenth century. Let's just assume Philip/the script-writers meant the fifteenth century/1400's.
      Location: Northern Italy
      At this point in time, Italy would have been a bunch of independent countries, Northern Italy in particular. Blonde hair worn in a loose style and off-shoulder gowns were very popular in Northern Italy during this time. I picture Stefan's kingdom is in Northern Italy, and Hubert's kingdom is in southern Germany, with both countries bordering the Alps.

      Ariel Time Period: 1650's-1700's, 1830's-1840's/1890's-1900's
      The first of many headaches. These are the time periods when huge poofy sleeves would have been in fashion. The late 1600's was The Golden Age of piracy and of sailing in general. The late 1800's/early 1900's was another important age in sailing.
      Location: Portugal, Monaco
      While watching the film, the scenery gave me the impression that it took place in Portugal. Portugal is a country on the Atlantic Ocean, it is a very warm place, it has a long history of sailing, and there is a variant of the name "Eric" there. And, during the late 1600's, it had recently regained its independence from Spain and was still a monarchy. Monaco is a tiny country between France and Italy situated along the Mediterranean. French is largely spoken there, followed by Italian, and it would be one of the few countries along the Mediterranean that was still a monarchy during the 1830's-1840's/1890's-1900's. Plus, it would explain why they have a French chef and an Italian maid.

      Belle Time Period: 1750-1795
      Mainly from the clothing, once again. Especially the concept art.
      Location: France
      Obviously.

      Jasmine Time Period: Achaemenid Empire
      Location: Agrabah
      The Achaemenid Empire, a.k.a. The Persian Empire, stretched from the Indus Valley to Thrace and Macedon. It was a huge empire originating in modern-day Iran. I know the film takes place in an "Arabian" kingdom, but the clothing, buildings, and everything Jasmine is able to get away with points more toward Persian. The Persian Empire included parts of the Arabian Peninsula, so Agrabah could be a kingdom in that region. I chose this time period of Iranian history to make the scenes in Greece during "A Whole New World" and the crossover with Hercules possible. (I'm not going to bother with the other scenes during the "A Whole New World"; the time when the Sphinx of Giza was built and the time when fireworks were invented are thousands of years apart.)

      Pocahontas Time Period: 1607
      Location: Jamestown, Virginia
      Wow, that was easy! :)

      Mulan Time Period: Han Dynasty, Tang Dynasty
      I wanted to pull my hair out after researching this. None of the major elements in the movie take place during the same dynasty--The Great Wall was started in the Qin Dynasty, the Huns/Xiongu were pushed back for the final time during the Han Dynasty, fireworks weren't invented until the Tang Dynasty, The Forbidden City wasn't built until the Ming Dynasty...plus there's footbinding to consider, and it wasn't introduced until the Tang Dynasty. I lean toward the Han Dynasty for the invasion of the Huns/Xiongu and the clothes, and the Tang Dynasty for actually having fireworks. Both ushered in times of great prosperity to China, so take your pick.
      Location: China
      Obviously.

      Tiana Time Period: 1916-1926
      When Tiana and her mother get on the bus during the prologue, a man is reading a newspaper that has an announcement about Woodrow Wilson winning the presidency, which places it in 1916, and the film proper takes place ten years later.
      Location: New Orleans, U.S.A.
      Obviously.

      Rapunzel Time Period: 1795-1820's
      There is concept art for Tangled that shows the late 1700's/early 1800's was the look that the filmmakers were going for, plus Regency-era fashion and its continuation would be very flattering on Rapunzel. Plus, Mozart has to exist and have reached popularity by the time the film starts.
      Location: Northern Italy, Archduchy of Austria/Austrian Empire
      Partly because of the names, partly because of the Mozart name-drop, but I picture Tangled taking place in a small country in Italy close to Austria, if not in Austria itself.


      Merida

      Time period: 700s - 1200s

      Location: Actually even though the producers say its Scotland I have reason to believe that the story is actually set in Ireland.

      Anna and Elsa

      Time period: 1795-1820's

      The apperance of Rapunzel really made me over think this. Normally I'm against cameo's and easter eggs but the plot bunny of having Eugene and Rapunzel's daughter marry Kristoff and Anna's son would not leave my head!!

      Location: Norway.

      Frozen Fever gives a concrete date on the map of Arendelle and the Southern Isles; 1840. So that's a bit off. Which also retcons Rapunzel to the 1830's, alongside Ariel, who actually meets her author and is the inspiration for his fairy tale, which was made in 1836. (Tarzan also met his author and was also the inspiration for his own story, which place his story in the 1890's-1900's).

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    • I know not a lot of people have watched it (and wrong place to post), but if you had to give Elena of Avalor a time period what would it be? 

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    • Lovefiction wrote:
      I know not a lot of people have watched it (and wrong place to post), but if you had to give Elena of Avalor a time period what would it be? 

      It definitely happens at the same time as Sofia the First. I would probably place Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor, due to the clothing and design of the world, in the late 1800's.

      That does cause a problem, because of course Tiana shows up in Sofia the First and she's from the 1920's, and Elena's style of dress calls back to the style in Mexico in the 1920's, so maybe it's actually in the 1930's? If we ignore the princess cameos, which we can since the Amulet is magic and is obviously causing the princesses to time travel (Mulan and Jasmine without a doubt would be long dead by now), then I think the shows could both take place anywhere from the 1860's to the 1910's.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Lovefiction wrote:
      I know not a lot of people have watched it (and wrong place to post), but if you had to give Elena of Avalor a time period what would it be? 
      It definitely happens at the same time as Sofia the First. I would probably place Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor, due to the clothing and design of the world, in the late 1800's.

      That does cause a problem, because of course Tiana shows up in Sofia the First and she's from the 1920's, and Elena's style of dress calls back to the style in Mexico in the 1920's, so maybe it's actually in the 1930's? If we ignore the princess cameos, which we can since the Amulet is magic and is obviously causing the princesses to time travel (Mulan and Jasmine without a doubt would be long dead by now), then I think the shows could both take place anywhere from the 1860's to the 1910's.

      Well Tiana just time travels, since Sofia asked who she was. So the princess cameo's have to be ignored. Elena's dress has to be ignore too I think because she's from the past in her world. She was wearing that same dress 41 years before. 

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    • Lovefiction wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Lovefiction wrote:
      I know not a lot of people have watched it (and wrong place to post), but if you had to give Elena of Avalor a time period what would it be? 
      It definitely happens at the same time as Sofia the First. I would probably place Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor, due to the clothing and design of the world, in the late 1800's.

      That does cause a problem, because of course Tiana shows up in Sofia the First and she's from the 1920's, and Elena's style of dress calls back to the style in Mexico in the 1920's, so maybe it's actually in the 1930's? If we ignore the princess cameos, which we can since the Amulet is magic and is obviously causing the princesses to time travel (Mulan and Jasmine without a doubt would be long dead by now), then I think the shows could both take place anywhere from the 1860's to the 1910's.

      Well Tiana just time travels, since Sofia asked who she was. So the princess cameo's have to be ignored. Elena's dress has to be ignore too I think because she's from the past in her world. She was wearing that same dress 41 years before. 

      I think the princess cameos can be completely canon. It's probably just magical manifestations of princesses, not the real ones.

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    • Popsfootloose10169 wrote:
      Lovefiction wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Lovefiction wrote:
      I know not a lot of people have watched it (and wrong place to post), but if you had to give Elena of Avalor a time period what would it be? 
      It definitely happens at the same time as Sofia the First. I would probably place Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor, due to the clothing and design of the world, in the late 1800's.

      That does cause a problem, because of course Tiana shows up in Sofia the First and she's from the 1920's, and Elena's style of dress calls back to the style in Mexico in the 1920's, so maybe it's actually in the 1930's? If we ignore the princess cameos, which we can since the Amulet is magic and is obviously causing the princesses to time travel (Mulan and Jasmine without a doubt would be long dead by now), then I think the shows could both take place anywhere from the 1860's to the 1910's.

      Well Tiana just time travels, since Sofia asked who she was. So the princess cameo's have to be ignored. Elena's dress has to be ignore too I think because she's from the past in her world. She was wearing that same dress 41 years before. 
      I think the princess cameos can be completely canon. It's probably just magical manifestations of princesses, not the real ones.

      But Olaf was sent by Anna to Sofia to help her. It's very likely that the princesses themselves are summoned at some point during their life. Like Mulan was summoned during her two months of training (due to lack of redesign) and Ariel was summoned before her movie (due to still being a mermaid). So since it's time travel, it can be ignored.

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    • Except if Anna sent him, wouldn't she be apartof this timeline and it's 1840 something?

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    • Lovefiction wrote:
      Except if Anna sent him, wouldn't she be apartof this timeline and it's 1840 something?

      She sent him through the amulet, I think. I haven't watched the episode. But yeah, I still think Sofia is in the 1800's. So Anna could be much older. Princess is a title, not something you grow out of, especially if Elsa is still queen.

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    • Popsfootloose10169 wrote:
      Ah. Good point. I forgot about that. So then the time period between Aladdin, Hunchback, and Beauty and the Beast would be 323 B.C. to A.D. 1481.

      Pumbaa could have traveled from Africa (He and Timon are capable of that.), Belle meets the Beast sometime after Quasimodo meets Esmerelda, Hercules went to high school (if you count that as canon) and Aladdin married Jasmine in 323 B.C., and Carpet survived for 1804 years past the discovery of him in the Cave of Wonders. However, his magic may have worn off due to him being sold in the own square. Also, now that I think about it, Simba must have killed Scar earlier than Hercules, since Scar becomes a headpiece.

      Now, with all of these easter eggs in these films it bring up another question: What is the exact timeline of the Disney films? I'm gonna spend some time on this and make a post about it later. There's obviously a timeline, right?

      A problem with dating Beauty and the Beast as anything prior to about 1600 is that in the song "Gaston" when Gaston brags about "using antlers in all of [his] decorating", you can clearly see he's got the mounted head of a Bald Eagle, a species entirely native to North America, on his wall. My best bet is that the film takes place sometime from 1765-1775, with Gaston picking up the eagle's head as a trophy while in New France, perhaps while serving in the French Army during the French and Indian War.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Popsfootloose10169 wrote:
      Ah. Good point. I forgot about that. So then the time period between Aladdin, Hunchback, and Beauty and the Beast would be 323 B.C. to A.D. 1481.

      Pumbaa could have traveled from Africa (He and Timon are capable of that.), Belle meets the Beast sometime after Quasimodo meets Esmerelda, Hercules went to high school (if you count that as canon) and Aladdin married Jasmine in 323 B.C., and Carpet survived for 1804 years past the discovery of him in the Cave of Wonders. However, his magic may have worn off due to him being sold in the own square. Also, now that I think about it, Simba must have killed Scar earlier than Hercules, since Scar becomes a headpiece.

      Now, with all of these easter eggs in these films it bring up another question: What is the exact timeline of the Disney films? I'm gonna spend some time on this and make a post about it later. There's obviously a timeline, right?

      If we're going to go by animated canon alone (not counting pieces such as Fantasia, and only going by things clearly taking place on our Earth, meaning Mickey Mouse/Goof Troop/Donald Duck/The Muppets/House of Mouse don't count, and films directly made by Disney themselves and not a subsidary of them [ie, Marvel Comics and LucasFilm does not count]):

      • Aladdin, Hercules, possibly The Lion King, and possibly Atlantis: The Lost EmpireTemplate:'s prologue took place during the Helenistic Era. Prince of Persia might also take place during this time.
      • Considering the real life origins of the Mulan story, its very likely to take place in 3rd-1st Century BC.
      • As Robin Hood technically takes place in our world (animals playing various characters, aside), its clear it took place during the sixth-eighth centuries (due to the Crusades).
      • Sword in the Stone most likely takes place during the late zeroth millenium AD (you know, 1 AD-999 AD).
      • Sleeping Beauty is explicitly stated to take place in the 13th Century.
      • Hunchback of Notre Dame is in the 15th century (although whether it actually takes place alongside Beauty and the Beast or not is debatable).
      • Pocahontas is pretty obviously 15-16th century due to the main plot being the founding of Virginia.
      • Legend of Sleepy Hollow is obviously 16th century.
      • Assuming Hunchback's cameo is non-canon, Beauty and the Beast is most likely 18th Century (immediately preceding the French Revolution)
      • The Little Mermaid (thanks to Metal Fish), Cinderella (thanks to the King and the Duke's cameo in TLM), Tangled, and Frozen (both confirmed in The Art of Frozen) all take place during the 19th Century. Possibly Home on the Range as well, since it dealt with the Wild West in America. If I had to guess, Rapunzel and Frozen most likely took place between Morgana's attack and the main events of Return to the Sea, since Melody is 12 by the main events (then again, its ambiguous exactly how long it took between the marriage and Melody's birth).
      • The Great Mouse Detective, due to cameos from Sherlock Holmes and Watson, suggest that it takes place during the late 19th century, early 20th century.
      • Peter Pan, the main events of Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and The Princess and the Frog all takes place during the early-to-mid 20th Century (with Peter Pan 2 obviously taking place during the Blitzkreig of World War II, and a throwaway line in Atlantis regarding the Kaiser in Germany implying that the main movie was occurring during World War I. PatF obviously takes place during the roaring twenties, nearing the end of them in fact.). Lady and the Tramp most likely take place at that time period as well, and Aristocats most likely takes place during the mid 20th century.
      • The Rescuers and Oliver and Company pretty clearly take place during the present day (late-20th Century).
      • Lilo and Stitch, Recess, Kim Possible, and The Proud Family most likely take place during the 1990s (largely due to the Recess kids appearance in Lilo and Stitch, which had them being in the 1998 school year, and their clearly being beyond the fourth grade by that point).

      So far, the only ones not accounted for are Snow White, Emperor's New Groove (a lot of the things in that film makes its exact placement in time ambiguous) and possibly Meridia as well, unless the Art Book states anything (we know that her location is based on Scotland due to her accent). Technically also Beauty and the Beast, as theres conflicting evidence either way. I might have missed a few, but this is pretty much all I've got right now.

      There's one problem with Aladdin taking place in the Hellenistic era. See, everything that you hear in the movie, from the title of Sultan to the invocation of Allah, points to Agrabah being an Islamic city-state, and Islam wasn't established until about 610 A.D. So the crossover between Aladdin and Hercules in the latter's T.V. show is anachronistic. But a lot of stuff in the Hercules T.V. canon is contradictory to the movie canon, so you don't really have to count it as part of any movie canon.

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    • Cari1994 wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Popsfootloose10169 wrote:
      Ah. Good point. I forgot about that. So then the time period between Aladdin, Hunchback, and Beauty and the Beast would be 323 B.C. to A.D. 1481.

      Pumbaa could have traveled from Africa (He and Timon are capable of that.), Belle meets the Beast sometime after Quasimodo meets Esmerelda, Hercules went to high school (if you count that as canon) and Aladdin married Jasmine in 323 B.C., and Carpet survived for 1804 years past the discovery of him in the Cave of Wonders. However, his magic may have worn off due to him being sold in the own square. Also, now that I think about it, Simba must have killed Scar earlier than Hercules, since Scar becomes a headpiece.

      Now, with all of these easter eggs in these films it bring up another question: What is the exact timeline of the Disney films? I'm gonna spend some time on this and make a post about it later. There's obviously a timeline, right?

      If we're going to go by animated canon alone (not counting pieces such as Fantasia, and only going by things clearly taking place on our Earth, meaning Mickey Mouse/Goof Troop/Donald Duck/The Muppets/House of Mouse don't count, and films directly made by Disney themselves and not a subsidary of them [ie, Marvel Comics and LucasFilm does not count]):

      • Aladdin, Hercules, possibly The Lion King, and possibly Atlantis: The Lost EmpireTemplate:'s prologue took place during the Helenistic Era. Prince of Persia might also take place during this time.
      • Considering the real life origins of the Mulan story, its very likely to take place in 3rd-1st Century BC.
      • As Robin Hood technically takes place in our world (animals playing various characters, aside), its clear it took place during the sixth-eighth centuries (due to the Crusades).
      • Sword in the Stone most likely takes place during the late zeroth millenium AD (you know, 1 AD-999 AD).
      • Sleeping Beauty is explicitly stated to take place in the 13th Century.
      • Hunchback of Notre Dame is in the 15th century (although whether it actually takes place alongside Beauty and the Beast or not is debatable).
      • Pocahontas is pretty obviously 15-16th century due to the main plot being the founding of Virginia.
      • Legend of Sleepy Hollow is obviously 16th century.
      • Assuming Hunchback's cameo is non-canon, Beauty and the Beast is most likely 18th Century (immediately preceding the French Revolution)
      • The Little Mermaid (thanks to Metal Fish), Cinderella (thanks to the King and the Duke's cameo in TLM), Tangled, and Frozen (both confirmed in The Art of Frozen) all take place during the 19th Century. Possibly Home on the Range as well, since it dealt with the Wild West in America. If I had to guess, Rapunzel and Frozen most likely took place between Morgana's attack and the main events of Return to the Sea, since Melody is 12 by the main events (then again, its ambiguous exactly how long it took between the marriage and Melody's birth).
      • The Great Mouse Detective, due to cameos from Sherlock Holmes and Watson, suggest that it takes place during the late 19th century, early 20th century.
      • Peter Pan, the main events of Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and The Princess and the Frog all takes place during the early-to-mid 20th Century (with Peter Pan 2 obviously taking place during the Blitzkreig of World War II, and a throwaway line in Atlantis regarding the Kaiser in Germany implying that the main movie was occurring during World War I. PatF obviously takes place during the roaring twenties, nearing the end of them in fact.). Lady and the Tramp most likely take place at that time period as well, and Aristocats most likely takes place during the mid 20th century.
      • The Rescuers and Oliver and Company pretty clearly take place during the present day (late-20th Century).
      • Lilo and Stitch, Recess, Kim Possible, and The Proud Family most likely take place during the 1990s (largely due to the Recess kids appearance in Lilo and Stitch, which had them being in the 1998 school year, and their clearly being beyond the fourth grade by that point).

      So far, the only ones not accounted for are Snow White, Emperor's New Groove (a lot of the things in that film makes its exact placement in time ambiguous) and possibly Meridia as well, unless the Art Book states anything (we know that her location is based on Scotland due to her accent). Technically also Beauty and the Beast, as theres conflicting evidence either way. I might have missed a few, but this is pretty much all I've got right now.

      There's one problem with Aladdin taking place in the Hellenistic era. See, everything that you hear in the movie, from the title of Sultan to the invocation of Allah, points to Agrabah being an Islamic city-state, and Islam wasn't established until about 610 A.D. So the crossover between Aladdin and Hercules in the latter's T.V. show is anachronistic. But a lot of stuff in the Hercules T.V. canon is contradictory to the movie canon, so you don't really have to count it as part of any movie canon.

      True, but on the other hand, Return of Jafar had Genie mentioning in his song about his travels that he had "raced Hercules" during that time (and we can't discount Return of Jafar as non-canon since that movie dealt with Iago's reform, which is consistently depicted as being canon), and even the original movie had a scene during A New World where they flew by a guy who was making the Sphinx (and accidentally destroyed its nose), which definitely had to predate the founding of Islam, let alone the Caliphate (and we obviously can't denounce the original film as non-canon either).

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Cari1994 wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Popsfootloose10169 wrote:
      Ah. Good point. I forgot about that. So then the time period between Aladdin, Hunchback, and Beauty and the Beast would be 323 B.C. to A.D. 1481.

      Pumbaa could have traveled from Africa (He and Timon are capable of that.), Belle meets the Beast sometime after Quasimodo meets Esmerelda, Hercules went to high school (if you count that as canon) and Aladdin married Jasmine in 323 B.C., and Carpet survived for 1804 years past the discovery of him in the Cave of Wonders. However, his magic may have worn off due to him being sold in the own square. Also, now that I think about it, Simba must have killed Scar earlier than Hercules, since Scar becomes a headpiece.

      Now, with all of these easter eggs in these films it bring up another question: What is the exact timeline of the Disney films? I'm gonna spend some time on this and make a post about it later. There's obviously a timeline, right?

      If we're going to go by animated canon alone (not counting pieces such as Fantasia, and only going by things clearly taking place on our Earth, meaning Mickey Mouse/Goof Troop/Donald Duck/The Muppets/House of Mouse don't count, and films directly made by Disney themselves and not a subsidary of them [ie, Marvel Comics and LucasFilm does not count]):

      • Aladdin, Hercules, possibly The Lion King, and possibly Atlantis: The Lost EmpireTemplate:'s prologue took place during the Helenistic Era. Prince of Persia might also take place during this time.
      • Considering the real life origins of the Mulan story, its very likely to take place in 3rd-1st Century BC.
      • As Robin Hood technically takes place in our world (animals playing various characters, aside), its clear it took place during the sixth-eighth centuries (due to the Crusades).
      • Sword in the Stone most likely takes place during the late zeroth millenium AD (you know, 1 AD-999 AD).
      • Sleeping Beauty is explicitly stated to take place in the 13th Century.
      • Hunchback of Notre Dame is in the 15th century (although whether it actually takes place alongside Beauty and the Beast or not is debatable).
      • Pocahontas is pretty obviously 15-16th century due to the main plot being the founding of Virginia.
      • Legend of Sleepy Hollow is obviously 16th century.
      • Assuming Hunchback's cameo is non-canon, Beauty and the Beast is most likely 18th Century (immediately preceding the French Revolution)
      • The Little Mermaid (thanks to Metal Fish), Cinderella (thanks to the King and the Duke's cameo in TLM), Tangled, and Frozen (both confirmed in The Art of Frozen) all take place during the 19th Century. Possibly Home on the Range as well, since it dealt with the Wild West in America. If I had to guess, Rapunzel and Frozen most likely took place between Morgana's attack and the main events of Return to the Sea, since Melody is 12 by the main events (then again, its ambiguous exactly how long it took between the marriage and Melody's birth).
      • The Great Mouse Detective, due to cameos from Sherlock Holmes and Watson, suggest that it takes place during the late 19th century, early 20th century.
      • Peter Pan, the main events of Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and The Princess and the Frog all takes place during the early-to-mid 20th Century (with Peter Pan 2 obviously taking place during the Blitzkreig of World War II, and a throwaway line in Atlantis regarding the Kaiser in Germany implying that the main movie was occurring during World War I. PatF obviously takes place during the roaring twenties, nearing the end of them in fact.). Lady and the Tramp most likely take place at that time period as well, and Aristocats most likely takes place during the mid 20th century.
      • The Rescuers and Oliver and Company pretty clearly take place during the present day (late-20th Century).
      • Lilo and Stitch, Recess, Kim Possible, and The Proud Family most likely take place during the 1990s (largely due to the Recess kids appearance in Lilo and Stitch, which had them being in the 1998 school year, and their clearly being beyond the fourth grade by that point).

      So far, the only ones not accounted for are Snow White, Emperor's New Groove (a lot of the things in that film makes its exact placement in time ambiguous) and possibly Meridia as well, unless the Art Book states anything (we know that her location is based on Scotland due to her accent). Technically also Beauty and the Beast, as theres conflicting evidence either way. I might have missed a few, but this is pretty much all I've got right now.

      There's one problem with Aladdin taking place in the Hellenistic era. See, everything that you hear in the movie, from the title of Sultan to the invocation of Allah, points to Agrabah being an Islamic city-state, and Islam wasn't established until about 610 A.D. So the crossover between Aladdin and Hercules in the latter's T.V. show is anachronistic. But a lot of stuff in the Hercules T.V. canon is contradictory to the movie canon, so you don't really have to count it as part of any movie canon.

      True, but on the other hand, Return of Jafar had Genie mentioning in his song about his travels that he had "raced Hercules" during that time, and even the original movie had a scene during A New World where they flew by a guy who was making the Sphinx (and accidentally destroyed its nose), which definitely had to predate the founding of Islam.

      That may be true, but I don't think that you have to interpret the Aladdin canon Hercules as equivalent to the eponymous character from the Hercules movie, and in any case, the myths tell of Hercules becoming immortal after his death. So that still could have happened even after the events of the Hercules movie and thus, Genie could have been racing with Hercules in his immortal form. As for the Sphinx, you could interpret that as the guy renovating it (or at least trying to), as people tend to do with ancient monuments.

      It's all a matter of perspective, from where I'm standing. If you interpret the timeline the way that you're currently doing so, technically, the building of the Sphinx actually predates the mortal life of Hercules, which itself predates the Hellenistic era. So I'd rather not be interpret it that way.

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