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  • Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?

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      • The Big Five are standing in the gates of the Gozerian Dimension*

      The Destroyer: CHOOSE. CHOOSE THE FORM OF THE DESTROYER. CHOOSE AND PERISH.

      Jack Frost: "Choose and perish"? What does that mean?

      Merida: Oh, i get it! If I think of Mor'Du, Mor'Du shows up and kills us!

      Hiccup: EVERYBODY, CLEAR YOUR MINDS!

      Rapunzel: DON'T THINK OF ANYTHING!

      The Destroyer: THE CHOICE HAS BEEN MADE. THE DESTROYER HAS ARRIVED.

      Merida: Wait, wait, wait, what choice? I didn't think of anything! Hiccup, did you think of anything?

      Hiccup: Nope.

      Merida: Jack?

      Jack Frost: Nothing.

      Merida: Rapunzel?

      Rapunzel: Trust me, Merida, I'm a master at leaving my mind blank!

      Merida: Elsa?

      Elsa: I...I...couldn't help it...

      Jack Frost: Elsa, what did you do?

      Merida:...it just popped in there.

      Hiccup: WHAT popped in there, Elsa?

      Elsa: I tried to think of the most harmless, innocent thing...something that could never, ever destroy us...something I love and cherish from my childhood....a snowman.


      And that's how Marshmallow was born.

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    • I think Marshmallow would destroy Mor'du

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    • Heinz Ketchup wrote:
      I think Marshmallow would destroy Mor'du

      No no no If Marshmallow and Mor'du fought each other I think Mor'du would be the victore.

      When fighting one or two opponits Mashmallow would have the upperhand but any more and he would be overwhalmed by their numbers. Mor'du on the other hand has killed entire armys so he dosn't get overwhalmed by numbers like Marshmallow.

      When fighting Marshmallow the Royal Guards could not hurt him to much with their javilens but Hans was able to cut off Marshmallow's leg with his sword wich means Marshmallow can be harmed by weapons to at least some extant. Mor'du on the othre hand can not be hurt by weaponds at all as he survived being attacked by his army (wich was armed with many weapons), he never showed any singh of pain when Merida shot at him with her arrows, when Furgus fought Mor'du his sword shaterd (and Mor'du bite his lag off) and it dous't seem to bother him that he has many spears and arrows sticking out of his hide.

      Not to mention Mor'du has more experiance in fighting the Marshmallow. Marshmallow has only fought Anna, Kristoff, Olaf and Hans and the Royal Guards. And Anna, Kristoff and Olaf on an account Marshmallow did noth realy fitght them, he just chased them away.Mor'du on the other hand has alot of experiance in fighting. As a humand Mor'du fought with his brothers and as a bear he fought all 4 clans the Lords Macintosh, MicGuffin and Dingwall, the lord's sons and with the royal family of DinBroch wich includs King Fergus, Queen Elinor (in bear foarm) and Merida, who is a master archer.

      And (on a darker note) now that I juas thout of it Marshmallow dous not seem to have to much of a killer instint, when he had Anna and Kristoff dangaling in the rope he could have purposfuly don harm to them but he just roard at them to not come back but he did try to kill or at least injere Hans. Mor'du is bent on to things and to things only Killing and destruction, every time he apperd in Brave he was trying to kill (and maby eat) Merida or someone else, not to mention he has slaugtherd his army after they turned on him and for decads after that has been attacking and killing people in the mountains (as said in the Song of Mor'du).

      Also as I said earlyr Hans cut off Marshmallow's leg so Marshmallow now walks with a limp, wich probobly would't be heplful in a fight.

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      What, what am I saying theis dicsussin board was mad just for fun and games. Never mind what I said belive waht you want to belive.

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    • Heinz Ketchup wrote:
      I think Marshmallow would destroy Mor'du

      I think I'd have to agree.

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    • Elsa's snowmen are indestructble, and when you stack that with spikey ice armor and giant claws, there is no way that Mor'du would even stand a chance. The only way Mor'du could win was if he ate Marshmalow entirely, but it's hard to eat your body weight in snow even when it's not trying to kill you. Even if Mor'du did manage the feat, he would die of hypothermia and/or water intoxication soon afterwards.

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    • Or instade of eating Marshmallow entirly Mor'du could jest eat the head, then Marshmallow could not do squat.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Heinz Ketchup wrote:
      I think Marshmallow would destroy Mor'du
      No no no If Marshmallow and Mor'du fought each other I think Mor'du would be the victore.

      When fighting one or two opponits Mashmallow would have the upperhand but any more and he would be overwhalmed by their numbers. Mor'du on the other hand has killed entire armys so he dosn't get overwhalmed by numbers like Marshmallow.

      When fighting Marshmallow the Royal Guards could not hurt him to much with their javilens but Hans was able to cut off Marshmallow's leg with his sword wich means Marshmallow can be harmed by weapons to at least some extant. Mor'du on the othre hand can not be hurt by weaponds at all as he survived being attacked by his army (wich was armed with many weapons), he never showed any singh of pain when Merida shot at him with her arrows, when Furgus fought Mor'du his sword shaterd (and Mor'du bite his lag off) and it dous't seem to bother him that he has many spears and arrows sticking out of his hide.

      Not to mention Mor'du has more experiance in fighting the Marshmallow. Marshmallow has only fought Anna, Kristoff, Olaf and Hans and the Royal Guards. And Anna, Kristoff and Olaf on an account Marshmallow did noth realy fitght them, he just chased them away.Mor'du on the other hand has alot of experiance in fighting. As a humand Mor'du fought with his brothers and as a bear he fought all 4 clans the Lords Macintosh, MicGuffin and Dingwall, the lord's sons and with the royal family of DinBroch wich includs King Fergus, Queen Elinor (in bear foarm) and Merida, who is a master archer.

      And (on a darker note) now that I juas thout of it Marshmallow dous not seem to have to much of a killer instint, when he had Anna and Kristoff dangaling in the rope he could have purposfuly don harm to them but he just roard at them to not come back but he did try to kill or at least injere Hans. Mor'du is bent on to things and to things only Killing and destruction, every time he apperd in Brave he was trying to kill (and maby eat) Merida or someone else, not to mention he has slaugtherd his army after they turned on him and for decads after that has been attacking and killing people in the mountains (as said in the Song of Mor'du).

      Also as I said earlyr Hans cut off Marshmallow's leg so Marshmallow now walks with a limp, wich probobly would't be heplful in a fight.

      i have to agree with Wolf91. 

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    • Tdt2003 wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Heinz Ketchup wrote:
      I think Marshmallow would destroy Mor'du
      No no no If Marshmallow and Mor'du fought each other I think Mor'du would be the victore.

      When fighting one or two opponits Mashmallow would have the upperhand but any more and he would be overwhalmed by their numbers. Mor'du on the other hand has killed entire armys so he dosn't get overwhalmed by numbers like Marshmallow.

      When fighting Marshmallow the Royal Guards could not hurt him to much with their javilens but Hans was able to cut off Marshmallow's leg with his sword wich means Marshmallow can be harmed by weapons to at least some extant. Mor'du on the othre hand can not be hurt by weaponds at all as he survived being attacked by his army (wich was armed with many weapons), he never showed any singh of pain when Merida shot at him with her arrows, when Furgus fought Mor'du his sword shaterd (and Mor'du bite his lag off) and it dous't seem to bother him that he has many spears and arrows sticking out of his hide.

      Not to mention Mor'du has more experiance in fighting the Marshmallow. Marshmallow has only fought Anna, Kristoff, Olaf and Hans and the Royal Guards. And Anna, Kristoff and Olaf on an account Marshmallow did noth realy fitght them, he just chased them away.Mor'du on the other hand has alot of experiance in fighting. As a humand Mor'du fought with his brothers and as a bear he fought all 4 clans the Lords Macintosh, MicGuffin and Dingwall, the lord's sons and with the royal family of DinBroch wich includs King Fergus, Queen Elinor (in bear foarm) and Merida, who is a master archer.

      And (on a darker note) now that I juas thout of it Marshmallow dous not seem to have to much of a killer instint, when he had Anna and Kristoff dangaling in the rope he could have purposfuly don harm to them but he just roard at them to not come back but he did try to kill or at least injere Hans. Mor'du is bent on to things and to things only Killing and destruction, every time he apperd in Brave he was trying to kill (and maby eat) Merida or someone else, not to mention he has slaugtherd his army after they turned on him and for decads after that has been attacking and killing people in the mountains (as said in the Song of Mor'du).

      Also as I said earlyr Hans cut off Marshmallow's leg so Marshmallow now walks with a limp, wich probobly would't be heplful in a fight.

      i have to agree with Wolf91. 

      Thank you.

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    • In all seriousness, though, you are pitting a giant ice monster against a bear. A very ferocious bear, but a regular bear nonetheless.

      If this happened in my site, this would be one of those fights where I would have to squeeze the facts very tightly in order to argue in favor of the obviously-mismatched side (not that it matter, since the votes determine the winner, and often the obviously-mismatched side ends up winning against all odds just because it was the one getting the most votes).

      This fight lasts for about 5 seconds before Marshallow rips apart Mor'Du like tissue paper.

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    • Agustinaldo wrote:
      In all seriousness, though, you are pitting a giant ice monster against a bear. A very ferocious bear, but a regular bear nonetheless.

      If this happened in my site, this would be one of those fights where I would have to squeeze the facts very tightly in order to argue in favor of the obviously-mismatched side (not that it matter, since the votes determine the winner, and often the obviously-mismatched side ends up winning against all odds just because it was the one getting the most votes).

      This fight lasts for about 5 seconds before Marshallow rips apart Mor'Du like tissue paper.

      Oh Mor'du is not a regular bear.

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    • I tink most of the people hear are saying Marshmallow would win just because they want Marshmallow to win because they like Frozen more then Brave, wich if you ask me is just unfair.

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    • Szgamer227 wrote:
      Elsa's snowmen are indestructble, and when you stack that with spikey ice armor and giant claws, there is no way that Mor'du would even stand a chance. The only way Mor'du could win was if he ate Marshmalow entirely, but it's hard to eat your body weight in snow even when it's not trying to kill you. Even if Mor'du did manage the feat, he would die of hypothermia and/or water intoxication soon afterwards.

      No hypothermia and/or water intoxication would not kill Mor'du. Think about it Mor'du had broken spears and arrows inbaded in his hide from the fight with his army and all the battals he has ben in over the years wich means that he would have evantualy had to deal with infaction but he has survived with thous weapons in his back and hance infaction obviously did not harm Mor'du meaning he was able to handal the infaction and heal from it, it prolonged infaction could't kill mor'du then how can water intoxication even remotly hurt him. Also he has survived the winters of Scotland for centurys and bears have fur to keep them warm in cold weather so I don't think hypothermia would be to much a problum. Also thous spikes that are on Marshmallows back are made of ice and Ice can brake. Mor'du was able to brake bones with is paws and jaws (he hade great stranth) so if he can brake bones it would not be hard to brake Ice.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?

      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart", it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.

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    • Varg2000 wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?
      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart" it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.

      Respactfluly I will have to disagree with you. Also how do we even know Marshmallow has the strength of a hundred men, cause thous lyrics could have been refuring to the winter or something else. Ice and snow dous't kill bears bers have been known to hunt in show before they start hibernating infact their are bears that love being in snow like Polar Bears. Larger is not always the same thing as stronger, Marshmallow is strong but I would't say he is "one hundred men" strong and it's not like Mor'du is just any avrage bear he was a very strong man who was turned into a bear by the Witch's magic spell (after forsaking family for power). Also remamber Marshmallow lost after fighting one small army (Hans and the Castle Guards to be precise) while Mor'du  defetad his own army with was quit large (after becoming a demon bear) and other armys for canturys after that battle wich (if you ask me) means that Mor'du is eather stronger then Marshmallow or more durable (or most likely both). About that whole "environment" thing Marshmallow lives in the moutans (The Northen Moutain to be exact) and Mor'du live in the moutans (as heard in the Song of Mor'du) So I would't say the environment they live in is so diffrent and Mor'du also romes the forest (wich Marshmallow can't do during warm weather seasons) so if the fight started in the moutans and Mor'du was able to bring the fight down the moutan and into the forest he would survive while Marshmallow would melt. How can Marshmallows claws (that are made of ice) penetrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him when spear heads, arrow heads and Swords (wich are made of Metal) could't also if Furgus sword (and other weapons most likely) can shatter hitting Mor'du then what would keep ice (wich Marshmallow has for claws) from doing the same. Also Mor'du has much more expereance in fighting after battling his brothers (in his human form) and killing people (and armys) for decads and decads and decads while Marshmallow only fought one small army (Hans army) and lost. So I'm sorry but I don't think Marshmallow has alot of advatages if the two fought.

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    • Well Marshmallow technically isn't even alive and so how would Mor'du even bring him down? Elsa could just keep remaking him. Not to mention, Marshamallow is extremely resilient in his own right. Hans chopped off his leg causing him to fall into an icy chasm. We can assume it was a long drop which means the acceleration due to gravity and Marshmallow's mass would generate a lot of momentum. Add that to the likelihood of sharp ice spikes being at the bottom...

      I think we can say the drop is a killer. But then we see Marshmallow is relatively unscathed at the end of the movie. And ice is quite formidable...I mean the Titanic's metal hull was like butter to the iceberg.

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    • Varg2000 wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?
      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart" it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.

      (imitating Tigger) Exacticly!

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    • Dragonboy6491 wrote:
      Well Marshmallow technically isn't even alive and so how would Mor'du even bring him down? Elsa could just keep remaking him. Not to mention, Marshamallow is extremely resilient in his own right. Hans chopped off his leg causing him to fall into an icy chasm. We can assume it was a long drop which means the acceleration due to gravity and Marshmallow's mass would generate a lot of momentum. Add that to the likelihood of sharp ice spikes being at the bottom...

      I think we can say the drop is a killer. But then we see Marshmallow is relatively unscathed at the end of the movie. And ice is quite formidable...I mean the Titanic's metal hull was like butter to the iceberg.

      Mor'du could eat his head (or more of him) to kill Marshmallow and I don't know if Elsa even knows Marshmallow survived the fall. Also when Marshmallow (if you look closely while watching the movie) fell to the bottom he pretty much dissaperd in the snow down their wich implys that their was Alot of snow (considering how large he is) and from what we saw Anna and Kristoff survived falling down the ciff thanks to the snow (like landing on a pillow) and half (or possibly more) of Marshmallow is made of snow wich could have also provided extra cousining in the fall and how do we know wich drop (Anna and Kristoff of the cliff or Marshmallow down the chasm) was a longer whay down and since Marshmallow is half snow their is a chanc that he (not saying that he absalutly is) not a havey as he seems to be cause snow is not often thout of as a heavy substance, (don't get me wrong I know he must weigh more then a Kodiak bear). As you said Hans choped off Marshmallow's leg wich causes him to walk with a limp (wich I'm gusing is not to helpfull in a fight). Also (as I said above on this thread) Mor'du seems to have much more of a killer instinct cause Marshmallow never killed anyone but every time Mor'du was seen he was trying to kill somebody and has beatin entire armys.

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    • Eating Marshmallow's head would not kill him. Just look at Olaf, his body remained animated in spite of being separated from the head. The fact remains, Mor'du is mortal and Marshmallow isn't. You can't kill that which was never alive to begin with.

      It's possible Marshmallow's fall was cushioned but unlike Anna and Kristoff, he fell in relatively narrow gap and also had the possiblity of smashing into the cliffsides as he fell. And look, he emerged intact. Mor'du on the other hand, perished when a rock fell on him.

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    • Dragonboy6491 wrote:
      Eating Marshmallow's head would not kill him. Just look at Olaf, his body remained animated in spite of being separated from the head. The fact remains, Mor'du is mortal and Marshmallow isn't. You can't kill that which was never alive to begin with.

      It's possible Marshmallow's fall was cushioned but unlike Anna and Kristoff, he fell in relatively narrow gap and also had the possiblity of smashing into the cliffsides as he fell. And look, he emerged intact. Mor'du on the other hand, perished when a rock fell on him.

      Yes true but when Olaf's head was still in one peice when it was separated from his body I'm talking about Mor'du eating Marshmallow's head peice by peice and then swalloing it into his stomic (wich is filled with digastive juices) and technically you do have to be alive in order to move and talk and if your alive you will one day die (in terms of life and death that's pretty much a rule for all creaturs). Also I did't see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides when I saw him fall. Also It's not like the menhir that fall on Mor'du was a tiny pebble or anything if you ask me that rock must have weighed at least two tones. Just out of curiosity have you seen the movie Brave (or Wreck it Ralph) yet.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Varg2000 wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?
      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart" it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.
      Respactfluly I will have to disagree with you. Also how do we even know Marshmallow has the strength of a hundred men, cause thous lyrics could have been refuring to the winter or something else. Ice and snow dous't kill bears bers have been known to hunt in show before they start hibernating infact their are bears that love being in snow like Polar Bears. Larger is not always the same thing as stronger, Marshmallow is strong but I would't say he is "one hundred men" strong and it's not like Mor'du is just any avrage bear he was a very strong man who was turned into a bear by the Witch's magic spell (after forsaking family for power). Also remamber Marshmallow lost after fighting one small army (Hans and the Castle Guards to be precise) while Mor'du  defetad his own army with was quit large (after becoming a demon bear) and other armys for canturys after that battle wich (if you ask me) means that Mor'du is eather stronger then Marshmallow or more durable (or most likely both). About that whole "environment" thing Marshmallow lives in the moutans (The Northen Moutain to be exact) and Mor'du live in the moutans (as heard in the Song of Mor'du) So I would't say the environment they live in is so diffrent and Mor'du also romes the forest (wich Marshmallow can't do during warm weather seasons) so if the fight started in the moutans and Mor'du was able to bring the fight down the moutan and into the forest he would survive while Marshmallow would melt. How can Marshmallows claws (that are made of ice) penetrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him when spear heads, arrow heads and Swords (wich are made of Metal) could't also if Furgus sword (and other weapons most likely) can shatter hitting Mor'du then what would keep ice (wich Marshmallow has for claws) from doing the same. Also Mor'du has much more expereance in fighting after battling his brothers (in his human form) and killing people (and armys) for decads and decads and decads while Marshmallow only fought one small army (Hans army) and lost. So I'm sorry but I don't think Marshmallow has alot of advatages if the two fought.

      First, please put spaces in your replies. Second, the lyrics of "Frozen Heart" can refer to anything in the film, including Marshmallow. Winter, ice, snow, water and cold has also been the cause of death for many bears in the Arctic circle (such as polar bears) and only the strongest and most lucky survive. Although rare, they can become a victim of hypothermia (especially if they inherit a certain gene that causes a loss in thickness of its fur and blubber), aswell as starvation (due to the desolate environment they live in) and disease and a lack of suitable habitat. I have watched some great documentaries on this and if I remembered the titles I'd recommend them for you to watch.

      When you say that "size doesn't equal strength", while it's true that it may not be the case all the time, mostly it is. If you have an object that is very large, then it's probably very heavy, and the heavier the object, the stronger the force. Take for example a truck, which is larger and more powerful than, let's say, a family car. This is the same case with Marshmallow (the truck) and Mor'du (the car). One also have to take into account that Marshmallow was able to push aside and pull up large trees and throw them high and far into the air with ease and almost no effort, and this I think is a great demonstration of him (as a creature created out of ice by the powerful Snow Queen herself) having powers "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" (which, if Mor'du only has the strength of approx. ten men, automatically means that he's more powerful than Mor'du) I am perfectly aware that Mor'du is no ordinary bear, but I don't think he would easily be able to do the things that Marshmallow did.

      The only reason Marshmallow lost his first real fight was because he was up against really the only character who could bring down the beast, that is the intelligent, observative, experienced and agile Prince Hans of the Southern Isles, whom with his very sharp sword and skills figured out how to attempt and luckily succeed to bring Marshmallow down But not for good, seeing as while Mor'du was killed, Marshmallow survived. That's also an important point, while Marshmallow is a formidable animated snow monster, Mor'du is a dangerous but mortal creature. You cannot really compare swords, spears and arrows (whom would evidently do little damage to both beasts) to the large, strong and sharp claws and teeth of ice (remember, "stronger than a hundred men!") that Marshmallow posess. The weapons in Marshmallow's arsenal would be more than enough to penetrate (you really need to gain more experience when it comes to how dangerous ice can be, especially while sharp and when you add a little pushing force) the hide of Mor'du and to crush his internal organs (such organs of which Marshmallow do not have).

      Really, the only reason Mor'du wasn't killed by a bunch of barbarian armies is obviously because no one was clever enough to figure out how (Hans, on the other hand, was far more clever and agile, and was presented with the opportunity to bring down the beast) or were even given an opportunity to do so. Also, anyone who has any experience with Marshmallow and Mor'du would know that spears and arrows practically has no effect whatsoever on these beasts. Swords? Perhaps, if the handler is lucky, smart, and skilled enough. I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people (this would also fit the personality of his creator, Elsa, the Snow Queen, seeing as she's not the one who would intentionally kill anyone).

      As it comes to their respective environments, Marshmallow and Mor'du live in two completely different environments, although similar to a certain extent. Whereas Marshmallow is situated in a Scandinavian habitat high up on a huge frozen (no pun intended) mountain of a very high altitude (The North Mountain, as you already stated), Mor'du exists in a deep, dark forest infested with old ruins of past settlements at the edge of the land of Britain. Also, even if Mor'du somehow would succeed to lure Marshmallow down the mountain and entering a warmer climate, there is no guarantee Marshmallow will melt (especially not if during an eternal winter), or that Mor'du would even be clever enough to care to try in the first place. Marshmallow could potentially even survive in a hotter environment in the same sense that Elsa gave Olaf his own personal flurry so that he could experience summer.

      Anyhow, my final verdict is still that Marshmallow would win a fight where he's pitted against Mor'du, and he would really have a great advantage here. Mor'du would pose quite the threat to Elsa, so I think Marshmallow would rapidly dispose of Mor'du. Mor'du isn't very clever or agile anyway, he'd still be a careless monster (due to his curse) who would only attack without any real strategy, and thus an easy battle for the guard of the Ice Palace. Careless monsters will face their demise rather early if encountering Marshmallow, only a charming prince of the Southern Isles has been able to defeat the great threat that Marshmallow makes him up to be for his opponents.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Dragonboy6491 wrote:
      Eating Marshmallow's head would not kill him. Just look at Olaf, his body remained animated in spite of being separated from the head. The fact remains, Mor'du is mortal and Marshmallow isn't. You can't kill that which was never alive to begin with.

      It's possible Marshmallow's fall was cushioned but unlike Anna and Kristoff, he fell in relatively narrow gap and also had the possiblity of smashing into the cliffsides as he fell. And look, he emerged intact. Mor'du on the other hand, perished when a rock fell on him.

      Yes true but when Olaf's head was still in one peice when it was separated from his body I'm talking about Mor'du eating Marshmallow's head peice by peice and then swalloing it into his stomic (wich is filled with digastive juices) and technically you do have to be alive in order to move and talk and if your alive you will one day die (in terms of life and death that's pretty much a rule for all creaturs). Also I did't see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides when I saw him fall. Also It's not like the menhir that fall on Mor'du was a tiny pebble or anything if you ask me that rock must have weighed at least two tones. Just out of curiosity have you seen the movie Brave (or Wreck it Ralph) yet.

      First, there is no guarantee Marshmallow would die from having his head chewed up to snow flakes. Second, that would mean Mor'du would have to somehow get a grip of Marshmallow's head in the first place, something I'm not sure he'd pull off, especially considering Marshmallow stands much taller than Mor'du. Marshmallow is indeed "alive", but not in the same sense that Mor'du or you and me are "alive". Marshmallow is brought to life through a completely different magical process that could be really hard to explain, but at least we know he's an end product of Elsa's ice-powers' reflections of her fear. By the way, did you know that water (including ice and snow) actually does reflect people's emotions? There's actually been studies on this. Also, we didn't need to see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides as he fell, it could be assumed considering the location of which he fell. It wouldn't surprise me if Marshmallow would have been able to lift up and throw away that "two-ton pebble" which ended up as the demise of Mor'du. I don't know about Dragonboy6491, but I at least have seen Brave and Wreck-It Ralph, and they're great films, some of my big favourites actually (and it's no wonder really when one of these two films were written by the great writer and co-director of Frozen; a.k.a. Jen Lee).

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    • Varg2000 wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Varg2000 wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?
      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart" it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.
      Respactfluly I will have to disagree with you. Also how do we even know Marshmallow has the strength of a hundred men, cause thous lyrics could have been refuring to the winter or something else. Ice and snow dous't kill bears bers have been known to hunt in show before they start hibernating infact their are bears that love being in snow like Polar Bears. Larger is not always the same thing as stronger, Marshmallow is strong but I would't say he is "one hundred men" strong and it's not like Mor'du is just any avrage bear he was a very strong man who was turned into a bear by the Witch's magic spell (after forsaking family for power). Also remamber Marshmallow lost after fighting one small army (Hans and the Castle Guards to be precise) while Mor'du  defetad his own army with was quit large (after becoming a demon bear) and other armys for canturys after that battle wich (if you ask me) means that Mor'du is eather stronger then Marshmallow or more durable (or most likely both). About that whole "environment" thing Marshmallow lives in the moutans (The Northen Moutain to be exact) and Mor'du live in the moutans (as heard in the Song of Mor'du) So I would't say the environment they live in is so diffrent and Mor'du also romes the forest (wich Marshmallow can't do during warm weather seasons) so if the fight started in the moutans and Mor'du was able to bring the fight down the moutan and into the forest he would survive while Marshmallow would melt. How can Marshmallows claws (that are made of ice) penetrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him when spear heads, arrow heads and Swords (wich are made of Metal) could't also if Furgus sword (and other weapons most likely) can shatter hitting Mor'du then what would keep ice (wich Marshmallow has for claws) from doing the same. Also Mor'du has much more expereance in fighting after battling his brothers (in his human form) and killing people (and armys) for decads and decads and decads while Marshmallow only fought one small army (Hans army) and lost. So I'm sorry but I don't think Marshmallow has alot of advatages if the two fought.
      First, please put spaces in your replies. Second, the lyrics of "Frozen Heart" can refer to anything in the film, including Marshmallow. Winter, ice, snow, water and cold has also been the cause of death for many bears in the Arctic circle (such as polar bears) and only the strongest and most lucky survive. Although rare, they can become a victim of hypothermia (especially if they inherit a certain gene that causes a loss in thickness of its fur and blubber), aswell as starvation (due to the desolate environment they live in) and disease and a lack of suitable habitat. I have watched some great documentaries on this and if I remembered the titles I'd recommend them for you to watch.

      When you say that "size doesn't equal strength", while it's true that it may not be the case all the time, mostly it is. If you have an object that is very large, then it's probably very heavy, and the heavier the object, the stronger the force. Take for example a truck, which is larger and more powerful than, let's say, a family car. This is the same case with Marshmallow (the truck) and Mor'du (the car). One also have to take into account that Marshmallow was able to push aside and pull up large trees and throw them high and far into the air with ease and almost no effort, and this I think is a great demonstration of him (as a creature created out of ice by the powerful Snow Queen herself) having powers "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" (which, if Mor'du only has the strength of approx. ten men, automatically means that he's more powerful than Mor'du) I am perfectly aware that Mor'du is no ordinary bear, but I don't think he would easily be able to do the things that Marshmallow did.

      The only reason Marshmallow lost his first real fight was because he was up against really the only character who could bring down the beast, that is the intelligent, observative, experienced and agile Prince Hans of the Southern Isles, whom with his very sharp sword and skills figured out how to attempt and luckily succeed to bring Marshmallow down But not for good, seeing as while Mor'du was killed, Marshmallow survived. That's also an important point, while Marshmallow is a formidable animated snow monster, Mor'du is a dangerous but mortal creature. You cannot really compare swords, spears and arrows (whom would evidently do little damage to both beasts) to the large, strong and sharp claws and teeth of ice (remember, "stronger than a hundred men!") that Marshmallow posess. The weapons in Marshmallow's arsenal would be more than enough to penetrate (you really need to gain more experience when it comes to how dangerous ice can be, especially while sharp and when you add a little pushing force) the hide of Mor'du and to crush his internal organs (such organs of which Marshmallow do not have).

      Really, the only reason Mor'du wasn't killed by a bunch of barbarian armies is obviously because no one was clever enough to figure out how (Hans, on the other hand, was far more clever and agile, and was presented with the opportunity to bring down the beast) or were even given an opportunity to do so. Also, anyone who has any experience with Marshmallow and Mor'du would know that spears and arrows practically has no effect whatsoever on these beasts. Swords? Perhaps, if the handler is lucky, smart, and skilled enough. I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people (this would also fit the personality of his creator, Elsa, the Snow Queen, seeing as she's not the one who would intentionally kill anyone).

      As it comes to their respective environments, Marshmallow and Mor'du live in two completely different environments, although similar to a certain extent. Whereas Marshmallow is situated in a Scandinavian habitat high up on a huge frozen (no pun intended) mountain of a very high altitude (The North Mountain, as you already stated), Mor'du exists in a deep, dark forest infested with old ruins of past settlements at the edge of the land of Britain. Also, even if Mor'du somehow would succeed to lure Marshmallow down the mountain and entering a warmer climate, there is no guarantee Marshmallow will melt (especially not if during an eternal winter), or that Mor'du would even be clever enough to care to try in the first place. Marshmallow could potentially even survive in a hotter environment in the same sense that Elsa gave Olaf his own personal flurry so that he could experience summer.

      Anyhow, my final verdict is still that Marshmallow would win a fight where he's pitted against Mor'du, and he would really have a great advantage here. Mor'du would pose quite the threat to Elsa, so I think Marshmallow would rapidly dispose of Mor'du. Mor'du isn't very clever or agile anyway, he'd still be a careless monster (due to his curse) who would only attack without any real strategy, and thus an easy battle for the guard of the Ice Palace. Careless monsters will face their demise rather early if encountering Marshmallow, only a charming prince of the Southern Isles has been able to defeat the great threat that Marshmallow makes him up to be for his opponents.

      I don't mean to upset anyone but how do we know the song Frozen heart was refuring to Marshmallow? I know Polar bears have died in the artic circal, I watch documantairys to (on Animal Planet and Nat Geo Wild to be precise) so I know all about  Survival of the Fitist. You said only the strongist survive but the avrage brown bear has the stranth of 5 men but Mor'du has the stranth of ten men so I don't think we need to worrie about wether or not Mor'du is strong enough to survive. Remamber half (if not most) of Marshmallow is made of snow so he may not be exactly as heavy as he seems. Also thous "barbaric" armys Mor'du fought were very powerful and barbaric dou't nasccasaraly mean stupid or anything and along with scottish highlanders Mor'du may have also fought Viking and Romans (cause Young Mucguffin and Wee Dingwall fought thous people), vikangs were barbarians yes but Romans were very intalagent and organized and if Marshmallow was stronger then Mor'du then how come he lost to a small army while Mor'du slew entire armys. Also it did't hit me until just know but that santance you said "'I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people" kinda maks me wonder is Marshmallow realy as dangourus as he appers or is he more made to intimadat rather then fight. About the environments they live in they are not to diffrent Mor'du dou't just rome the dark forest he goes in the moutains cause the Song of Mor'du says "He murders in the mountains and he fights with every Clan, his teeth and jaws have riped the heart of many a highland man", also Mor'du has lived thoue many winters (he has been alive for decads) so I think he knows how to handal cold weather and if he survived for so long then he must have survival skills (not surprising considering he is an animal) so he could be at least a bit claver and you don't led armys (like he did when he was fighting his brothers) by being dumb and I have seen Frozen many times and I never saw Elsa give Marshmallow a personal flurry of his own so he can't survive warm weather without melting. Also Marshmallow (as it says in the persinality section on his page) has some bumbaling edgas wich was shown when Anna and Kristoff outsmarted him by sending a tree into his face wich caused him to fall down on his back and Remamber Marshmallow is disabled (he walks with a limp) and was not very agile to begin with while Mor'du is very fast. Also I think Marshmallow was more protacting the Ice Castle then Elsa to be honast cause when he came back to the castel he did't seem worried that Elsa was't their so if the two did fight I think it would be Mor'du trying to invastigate the castel and Marshmallow trying to drive him off to be honest. 

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    • Varg2000 wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Dragonboy6491 wrote:
      Eating Marshmallow's head would not kill him. Just look at Olaf, his body remained animated in spite of being separated from the head. The fact remains, Mor'du is mortal and Marshmallow isn't. You can't kill that which was never alive to begin with.

      It's possible Marshmallow's fall was cushioned but unlike Anna and Kristoff, he fell in relatively narrow gap and also had the possiblity of smashing into the cliffsides as he fell. And look, he emerged intact. Mor'du on the other hand, perished when a rock fell on him.

      Yes true but when Olaf's head was still in one peice when it was separated from his body I'm talking about Mor'du eating Marshmallow's head peice by peice and then swalloing it into his stomic (wich is filled with digastive juices) and technically you do have to be alive in order to move and talk and if your alive you will one day die (in terms of life and death that's pretty much a rule for all creaturs). Also I did't see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides when I saw him fall. Also It's not like the menhir that fall on Mor'du was a tiny pebble or anything if you ask me that rock must have weighed at least two tones. Just out of curiosity have you seen the movie Brave (or Wreck it Ralph) yet.
      First, there is no guarantee Marshmallow would die from having his head chewed up to snow flakes. Second, that would mean Mor'du would have to somehow get a grip of Marshmallow's head in the first place, something I'm not sure he'd pull off, especially considering Marshmallow stands much taller than Mor'du. Marshmallow is indeed "alive", but not in the same sense that Mor'du or you and me are "alive". Marshmallow is brought to life through a completely different magical process that could be really hard to explain, but at least we know he's an end product of Elsa's ice-powers' reflections of her fear. By the way, did you know that water (including ice and snow) actually does reflect people's emotions? There's actually been studies on this. Also, we didn't need to see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides as he fell, it could be assumed considering the location of which he fell. It wouldn't surprise me if Marshmallow would have been able to lift up and throw away that "two-ton pebble" which ended up as the demise of Mor'du. I don't know about Dragonboy6491, but I at least have seen Brave and Wreck-It Ralph, and they're great films, some of my big favourites actually (and it's no wonder really when one of these two films were written by the great writer and co-director of Frozen; a.k.a. Jen Lee).

      If Marshmallow loses his head he can't see, hear or small anymore so how would he even be able to fight Mor'du if he can't know whare Mor'du even is and Mor'du dou't realy have to stop with just the head. He could charge at Marshmallow to knock him down and while Marshmallow is down Mor'du could brake off his good leg and then if he needs to avoid the ice claws (wich I realy don't think would be able to panitrat him anyway) he could use his speed to dart away from the snow monster walk behing Marshmallow while he is trying to pick himself up Mor 'du can carge him from behind whar Marshmallow would have a much harder time swaping at the demon bear with his ice claws and if his ice spikes are out Mor'du can use his strangth and razor sharp claws to brake them of of Marshmallow's back then pin Marshmallow's chasst to the ground and then brake off Marshmallow's arms then eat Marshmallow's head off. Also maby Marshmallow is big (maby a bit bigger then Mor'du, Maby) but Mor'du is still a Realy large Bear so it's not like Marshmallow is dwarfs Mor'du. If we did't see Marshmallow hit any cliff sides on the way down then how can we be sure that he did and just because Marshmallow can toss a tree dous't realy mean he can lift a menhir (wich is probbably heaver) and the menhir (wich remamber was part of an anchant ring of stones) could have had some magic property that could have contributed to Mor'du's death (not saying that happend just a thery I just thout of right know). It may be a close fight but I think Mor'du would win in the end. 

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Varg2000 wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Varg2000 wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?
      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart" it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.
      Respactfluly I will have to disagree with you. Also how do we even know Marshmallow has the strength of a hundred men, cause thous lyrics could have been refuring to the winter or something else. Ice and snow dous't kill bears bers have been known to hunt in show before they start hibernating infact their are bears that love being in snow like Polar Bears. Larger is not always the same thing as stronger, Marshmallow is strong but I would't say he is "one hundred men" strong and it's not like Mor'du is just any avrage bear he was a very strong man who was turned into a bear by the Witch's magic spell (after forsaking family for power). Also remamber Marshmallow lost after fighting one small army (Hans and the Castle Guards to be precise) while Mor'du  defetad his own army with was quit large (after becoming a demon bear) and other armys for canturys after that battle wich (if you ask me) means that Mor'du is eather stronger then Marshmallow or more durable (or most likely both). About that whole "environment" thing Marshmallow lives in the moutans (The Northen Moutain to be exact) and Mor'du live in the moutans (as heard in the Song of Mor'du) So I would't say the environment they live in is so diffrent and Mor'du also romes the forest (wich Marshmallow can't do during warm weather seasons) so if the fight started in the moutans and Mor'du was able to bring the fight down the moutan and into the forest he would survive while Marshmallow would melt. How can Marshmallows claws (that are made of ice) penetrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him when spear heads, arrow heads and Swords (wich are made of Metal) could't also if Furgus sword (and other weapons most likely) can shatter hitting Mor'du then what would keep ice (wich Marshmallow has for claws) from doing the same. Also Mor'du has much more expereance in fighting after battling his brothers (in his human form) and killing people (and armys) for decads and decads and decads while Marshmallow only fought one small army (Hans army) and lost. So I'm sorry but I don't think Marshmallow has alot of advatages if the two fought.
      First, please put spaces in your replies. Second, the lyrics of "Frozen Heart" can refer to anything in the film, including Marshmallow. Winter, ice, snow, water and cold has also been the cause of death for many bears in the Arctic circle (such as polar bears) and only the strongest and most lucky survive. Although rare, they can become a victim of hypothermia (especially if they inherit a certain gene that causes a loss in thickness of its fur and blubber), aswell as starvation (due to the desolate environment they live in) and disease and a lack of suitable habitat. I have watched some great documentaries on this and if I remembered the titles I'd recommend them for you to watch.

      When you say that "size doesn't equal strength", while it's true that it may not be the case all the time, mostly it is. If you have an object that is very large, then it's probably very heavy, and the heavier the object, the stronger the force. Take for example a truck, which is larger and more powerful than, let's say, a family car. This is the same case with Marshmallow (the truck) and Mor'du (the car). One also have to take into account that Marshmallow was able to push aside and pull up large trees and throw them high and far into the air with ease and almost no effort, and this I think is a great demonstration of him (as a creature created out of ice by the powerful Snow Queen herself) having powers "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" (which, if Mor'du only has the strength of approx. ten men, automatically means that he's more powerful than Mor'du) I am perfectly aware that Mor'du is no ordinary bear, but I don't think he would easily be able to do the things that Marshmallow did.

      The only reason Marshmallow lost his first real fight was because he was up against really the only character who could bring down the beast, that is the intelligent, observative, experienced and agile Prince Hans of the Southern Isles, whom with his very sharp sword and skills figured out how to attempt and luckily succeed to bring Marshmallow down But not for good, seeing as while Mor'du was killed, Marshmallow survived. That's also an important point, while Marshmallow is a formidable animated snow monster, Mor'du is a dangerous but mortal creature. You cannot really compare swords, spears and arrows (whom would evidently do little damage to both beasts) to the large, strong and sharp claws and teeth of ice (remember, "stronger than a hundred men!") that Marshmallow posess. The weapons in Marshmallow's arsenal would be more than enough to penetrate (you really need to gain more experience when it comes to how dangerous ice can be, especially while sharp and when you add a little pushing force) the hide of Mor'du and to crush his internal organs (such organs of which Marshmallow do not have).

      Really, the only reason Mor'du wasn't killed by a bunch of barbarian armies is obviously because no one was clever enough to figure out how (Hans, on the other hand, was far more clever and agile, and was presented with the opportunity to bring down the beast) or were even given an opportunity to do so. Also, anyone who has any experience with Marshmallow and Mor'du would know that spears and arrows practically has no effect whatsoever on these beasts. Swords? Perhaps, if the handler is lucky, smart, and skilled enough. I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people (this would also fit the personality of his creator, Elsa, the Snow Queen, seeing as she's not the one who would intentionally kill anyone).

      As it comes to their respective environments, Marshmallow and Mor'du live in two completely different environments, although similar to a certain extent. Whereas Marshmallow is situated in a Scandinavian habitat high up on a huge frozen (no pun intended) mountain of a very high altitude (The North Mountain, as you already stated), Mor'du exists in a deep, dark forest infested with old ruins of past settlements at the edge of the land of Britain. Also, even if Mor'du somehow would succeed to lure Marshmallow down the mountain and entering a warmer climate, there is no guarantee Marshmallow will melt (especially not if during an eternal winter), or that Mor'du would even be clever enough to care to try in the first place. Marshmallow could potentially even survive in a hotter environment in the same sense that Elsa gave Olaf his own personal flurry so that he could experience summer.

      Anyhow, my final verdict is still that Marshmallow would win a fight where he's pitted against Mor'du, and he would really have a great advantage here. Mor'du would pose quite the threat to Elsa, so I think Marshmallow would rapidly dispose of Mor'du. Mor'du isn't very clever or agile anyway, he'd still be a careless monster (due to his curse) who would only attack without any real strategy, and thus an easy battle for the guard of the Ice Palace. Careless monsters will face their demise rather early if encountering Marshmallow, only a charming prince of the Southern Isles has been able to defeat the great threat that Marshmallow makes him up to be for his opponents.

      I don't mean to upset anyone but how do we know the song Frozen heart was refuring to Marshmallow? I know Polar bears have died in the artic circal, I watch documantairys to (on Animal Planet and Nat Geo Wild to be precise) so I know all about  Survival of the Fitist. You said only the strongist survive but the avrage brown bear has the stranth of 5 men but Mor'du has the stranth of ten men so I don't think we need to worrie about wether or not Mor'du is strong enough to survive. Remamber half (if not most) of Marshmallow is made of snow so he may not be exactly as heavy as he seems. Also thous "barbaric" armys Mor'du fought were very powerful and barbaric dou't nasccasaraly mean stupid or anything and along with scottish highlanders Mor'du may have also fought Viking and Romans (cause Young Mucguffin and Wee Dingwall fought thous people), vikangs were barbarians yes but Romans were very intalagent and organized and if Marshmallow was stronger then Mor'du then how come he lost to a small army while Mor'du slew entire armys. Also it did't hit me until just know but that santance you said "'I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people" kinda maks me wonder is Marshmallow realy as dangourus as he appers or is he more made to intimadat rather then fight. About the environments they live in they are not to diffrent Mor'du dou't just rome the dark forest he goes in the moutains cause the Song of Mor'du says "He murders in the mountains and he fights with every Clan, his teeth and jaws have riped the heart of many a highland man", also Mor'du has lived thoue many winters (he has been alive for decads) so I think he knows how to handal cold weather and if he survived for so long then he must have survival skills (not surprising considering he is an animal) so he could be at least a bit claver and you don't led armys (like he did when he was fighting his brothers) by being dumb and I have seen Frozen many times and I never saw Elsa give Marshmallow a personal flurry of his own so he can't survive warm weather without melting. Also Marshmallow (as it says in the persinality section on his page) has some bumbaling edgas wich was shown when Anna and Kristoff outsmarted him by sending a tree into his face wich caused him to fall down on his back and Remamber Marshmallow is disabled (he walks with a limp) and was not very agile to begin with while Mor'du is very fast. Also I think Marshmallow was more protacting the Ice Castle then Elsa to be honast cause when he came back to the castel he did't seem worried that Elsa was't their so if the two did fight I think it would be Mor'du trying to invastigate the castel and Marshmallow trying to drive him off to be honest. 

      Again, please put SPACES in your replies, otherwise it can become hard to read. Also, you're not upsetting anyone, but do I really need to repeat myself? The lyrics of "Frozen Heart" (specifically the sentence of ice having a power "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!") aren't specifically or explicitly refering to Marshmallow, but it can definetely be applied to anything related to ice in the film, and that includes Marshmallow and his great size and power. There's no point in denying it.

      The movie Brave was describing normal bears as having the power of ten men (it didn't specifically mean that Mor'du was the only bear with the power of ten men, it referred to all bears in general), and granted, real bears almost seem to posess such power aswell. I don't know where you got the idea that "average bears have a power of five men".  Anywho, Mor'du is clearly able to survive for a while, but challenging Marshmallow could really be his death sentence.

      The majority of Marshmallow's body is made up of ice, there's no arguing there, but you also gotta realize that an increasing amount of snow can become extremely heavy and able to cause a great deal of damage while adding a pushing force. It's not as if Marshmallow is made of small snowflakes, but he is made up of compact and heavy snow. I guess all I'm saying here is you gotta gain a real perspective on this, on snow and the anatomy of Marshmallow. Because Marshmallow is DEFINETELY as heavy as he seems, denying that would simply be... Well, denial.

      I'm really starting to wonder at what time period the events in Brave actually takes place. Anyhow, first of all we gotta gain some perspectives here, we gotta realize that Mor'du and Marshmallow are two completely different creatures or characters, which can make it hard to compare them. But anyway, I guess the reason Mor'du was never brought down sooner by all those armies was probably because (and I believe I've stated this earlier) the opponents of Mor'du simply didn't have the right equipment or cunning to bring down the beast (but considering Mor'du was only brought down by a "two-ton-pebble" in the age of Merida, I find it rather hard to believe that none of those so-called great armies were able to bring him down much sooner).

      The reason Marshmallow was brought down by one single person, I believe was because that single person (Prince Hans) was clever, brave, agile and cunning enough to bring down the beast. Hans is a bright and skilled soldier, able to make fast and smart decisions, and I believe he could probably come up with a plan to get rid of Mor'du aswell if the opportunity presented itself to the formidable prince. But you must also remember that Marshmallow didn't really lose the battle (well, not in the same sense that Mor'du lost to a large stone), because he survived and showed really no sign of injury other than his chopped-off leg, and it must also be pointed out that Hans barely survived the fight (as Marshmallow almost took Hans with him in the fall). I bet Marshmallow could "slay entire armies" aswell, if he had to or felt the need.

      Is Marshmallow really as dangerous as he appears? Well, who knows? We know he chased Anna and Kristoff off a cliff (something that should be considered dangerous and even deadly) and he also tried to grab on to Hans on the ice-staircase as he was falling down the mountain. Is he really that dangerous? Is it something you'd dare to find out? I don't think so, I think we should consider that his appearance may also speak for how deadly he really may be (even if his intentions weren't to harm or kill people, he is afterall born out of fear and snow, and those two ingredients may not end well together).

      Mor'du may stalk mountains, but not on the same altitude as (or with a permanent frozen environment as) The North Mountain. The North Mountain is constantly covered in snow and ice (due to its elevation) and thus never thaw, and you would definetely not expect it to thaw in an eternal winter weather. I'm also not sure if Mor'du would be able to take such an environment for any longer period of time without any kind of cover from the deep and blinding snow, sharp ice, relentless cliffs, and blood-freezing cold wind and temperature (aswell as a deadly giant snowman and packs of wolves who are adapted to this habitat and who are even able to kill bears and humans). Bottom line, The North Mountain is not a suitable habitat for Mor'du, even if he could visit the location and survive there for a little while, I bet he's tough enough to endure a longer period of time than most bears. At least back in Scotland he had shelter and lots of food, and this is where he belongs. Not on the high and merciless mountain we call, The North Mountain.

      Mor'du does have some experience, but he's overall a mindless beast who doesn't really care about his surroundings, he just attacks and attacks and attacks with sheer power and large and sharp claws and teeth. No, Mor'du's not very clever, at least not on the same level as Merida, Elinor, or Hans. You must also remember that as Mor'du turned into a bear, he lost control over his body due to his curse, and the monstrous bear inside him took over him completely, meaning he cannot make very smart decisions anylonger as he turned a bear (but to be fair, Mor'du didn't seem very smart as a human to begin with). Also, some truly dumb people can lead armies, but the reason he lead the army is because he had fighting experience and hunger, and he was dominant. This doesn't have anything to do with his intelligence. A truly intelligent man doesn't even start a war to begin with.

      You've misunderstood my words. I NEVER said that Elsa gave Marshmallow his own personal flurry, I just pointed out that something similar as a personal flurry that can keep him alive without melting could be used by Marshmallow. But once again, he doesn't need it because he was practically made to guard the castle and it's unlikely that he would even leave the mountain and risk to melt away anyway.

      Two other things that you must bear (no pun intended) in mind here is that (1) we're talking about a fictional scenario where Mor'du is alive and he encounters Marshmallow, which could mean the version of him that does not have a limp as a leg, but the complete Marshmallow, and (2) Marshmallow could have healed himself eventually anyway, so if he somehow would encounter Mor'du, he could be in one whole piece by that time. Marshmallow may not be very agile, but he's not supposed to either, he's supposed to be a big, scary and deadly obstacle that stops people from entering the Ice Palace (initially the Snow Queen's own sister due to the fear she would harm her). But Marshmallow is undoubtedly fast, seeing as he takes giant steps that almost floats in the deep snow, while humans or other creatures may struggle in the snow or get caught and slowed down. Mor'du may be fast and deadly aswell, and in the end he would admittedly pose an interesting opponent, but I still place my bet on Marshmallow and his powerful hands and claws and teeth.

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      Eating Marshmallow's head would not kill him. Just look at Olaf, his body remained animated in spite of being separated from the head. The fact remains, Mor'du is mortal and Marshmallow isn't. You can't kill that which was never alive to begin with.

      It's possible Marshmallow's fall was cushioned but unlike Anna and Kristoff, he fell in relatively narrow gap and also had the possiblity of smashing into the cliffsides as he fell. And look, he emerged intact. Mor'du on the other hand, perished when a rock fell on him.

      Yes true but when Olaf's head was still in one peice when it was separated from his body I'm talking about Mor'du eating Marshmallow's head peice by peice and then swalloing it into his stomic (wich is filled with digastive juices) and technically you do have to be alive in order to move and talk and if your alive you will one day die (in terms of life and death that's pretty much a rule for all creaturs). Also I did't see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides when I saw him fall. Also It's not like the menhir that fall on Mor'du was a tiny pebble or anything if you ask me that rock must have weighed at least two tones. Just out of curiosity have you seen the movie Brave (or Wreck it Ralph) yet.
      First, there is no guarantee Marshmallow would die from having his head chewed up to snow flakes. Second, that would mean Mor'du would have to somehow get a grip of Marshmallow's head in the first place, something I'm not sure he'd pull off, especially considering Marshmallow stands much taller than Mor'du. Marshmallow is indeed "alive", but not in the same sense that Mor'du or you and me are "alive". Marshmallow is brought to life through a completely different magical process that could be really hard to explain, but at least we know he's an end product of Elsa's ice-powers' reflections of her fear. By the way, did you know that water (including ice and snow) actually does reflect people's emotions? There's actually been studies on this. Also, we didn't need to see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides as he fell, it could be assumed considering the location of which he fell. It wouldn't surprise me if Marshmallow would have been able to lift up and throw away that "two-ton pebble" which ended up as the demise of Mor'du. I don't know about Dragonboy6491, but I at least have seen Brave and Wreck-It Ralph, and they're great films, some of my big favourites actually (and it's no wonder really when one of these two films were written by the great writer and co-director of Frozen; a.k.a. Jen Lee).
      If Marshmallow loses his head he can't see, hear or small anymore so how would he even be able to fight Mor'du if he can't know whare Mor'du even is and Mor'du dou't realy have to stop with just the head. He could charge at Marshmallow to knock him down and while Marshmallow is down Mor'du could brake off his good leg and then if he needs to avoid the ice claws (wich I realy don't think would be able to panitrat him anyway) he could use his speed to dart away from the snow monster walk behing Marshmallow while he is trying to pick himself up Mor 'du can carge him from behind whar Marshmallow would have a much harder time swaping at the demon bear with his ice claws and if his ice spikes are out Mor'du can use his strangth and razor sharp claws to brake them of of Marshmallow's back then pin Marshmallow's chasst to the ground and then brake off Marshmallow's arms then eat Marshmallow's head off. Also maby Marshmallow is big (maby a bit bigger then Mor'du, Maby) but Mor'du is still a Realy large Bear so it's not like Marshmallow is dwarfs Mor'du. If we did't see Marshmallow hit any cliff sides on the way down then how can we be sure that he did and just because Marshmallow can toss a tree dous't realy mean he can lift a menhir (wich is probbably heaver) and the menhir (wich remamber was part of an anchant ring of stones) could have had some magic property that could have contributed to Mor'du's death (not saying that happend just a thery I just thout of right know). It may be a close fight but I think Mor'du would win in the end. 
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      We can't really know what happens to Marshmallow if he loses his head, simply because we never observed him losing his head in the film or the consequences that would follow, so that's not really something we can argue upon as of currently. Also, remember that Marshmallow is not alive in the same sense that we are alive, and that his body is not biological and doesn't work quite the same way as ours or that of Mor'du. There is a main difference between these two beasts; Marshmallow is immortal and cannot be killed or destroyed unless removed by Elsa herself or by melting (unless he's still alive in a melted state, something we have yet to observe), but Mor'du is immortal (as he can live for a seemingly unlimited amount of time) but still mortal, as he can be killed by having his internal organs crushed (organs that Marshmallow himself do not have).

      Marshmallow could smash Mor'du into the ground or slam him into a cliff-side with his huge hands as Mor'du is charging at him, and Marshmallow could then go on to either penetrate Mor'du's hide and internal organs with his claws or just crush his internal organs with his feet or hands. Marshmallow could also lift up Mor'du and bite into his internal organs (causing him to bleed to death) and/or throw him over the cliff to a rather certain death. And you must understand that ice is very formidable and deadly overall, a football- or knife-sized piece of ice could even penetrate and/or crush a human skull if falling towards it. Marshmallow's huge ice claws, teeth and spikes are more than sharp and deadly enough to fatally hurt Mor'du, it will slide right through his (in comparison) thin hide and soft organs. I've really been through this concept before.

      Your concept relies on that Mor'du even gets the chance to knock down Marshmallow, and there's no guarantee Marshmallow's gonna let that occur. Also, it's not fair to judge the two characters by their current or recently observed state in each of their respective films, seeing as Mor'du was killed, and Marshmallow lost half his leg. It's not even match, and the battle could never happen in this state, so the fight should be judged from an undisturbed earlier state where Mor'du is still alive and Marshmallow's legs are both intact, and the fight has to take place on The North Mountain because we haven't observed the effects of Marshmallow (as a magical giant snowman brought to life by mysterious powers) leaving this frozen environment for a warmer one.

      Size Marshmallow Mordu

      Marshmallow is also considerably larger than Mor'du, as can be observed in the picture I added to the right in this reply. Mor'du may be an unusually big bear, but Marshmallow most definetely dwarfs Mor'du in comparison.

      Again, I never said we could be sure Marshmallow hit any cliffsides, I just said it could be assumed considering the location of which he fell, below a cliff surrounded by other cliffs.

      Also, I never said Marshmallow could lift a menhir, I just stated it wouldn't surprise me if he could, considering his huge or gigantic size and sheer power.

      Anyhow, you should know by now that I've already placed a rather secure bet on Marshmallow as an evident winner, even though Mor'du may have posed a great or interesting challenge. I salute both monsters as great opponents aswell as two of my favourite fictional characters.

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      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?
      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart" it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.
      Respactfluly I will have to disagree with you. Also how do we even know Marshmallow has the strength of a hundred men, cause thous lyrics could have been refuring to the winter or something else. Ice and snow dous't kill bears bers have been known to hunt in show before they start hibernating infact their are bears that love being in snow like Polar Bears. Larger is not always the same thing as stronger, Marshmallow is strong but I would't say he is "one hundred men" strong and it's not like Mor'du is just any avrage bear he was a very strong man who was turned into a bear by the Witch's magic spell (after forsaking family for power). Also remamber Marshmallow lost after fighting one small army (Hans and the Castle Guards to be precise) while Mor'du  defetad his own army with was quit large (after becoming a demon bear) and other armys for canturys after that battle wich (if you ask me) means that Mor'du is eather stronger then Marshmallow or more durable (or most likely both). About that whole "environment" thing Marshmallow lives in the moutans (The Northen Moutain to be exact) and Mor'du live in the moutans (as heard in the Song of Mor'du) So I would't say the environment they live in is so diffrent and Mor'du also romes the forest (wich Marshmallow can't do during warm weather seasons) so if the fight started in the moutans and Mor'du was able to bring the fight down the moutan and into the forest he would survive while Marshmallow would melt. How can Marshmallows claws (that are made of ice) penetrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him when spear heads, arrow heads and Swords (wich are made of Metal) could't also if Furgus sword (and other weapons most likely) can shatter hitting Mor'du then what would keep ice (wich Marshmallow has for claws) from doing the same. Also Mor'du has much more expereance in fighting after battling his brothers (in his human form) and killing people (and armys) for decads and decads and decads while Marshmallow only fought one small army (Hans army) and lost. So I'm sorry but I don't think Marshmallow has alot of advatages if the two fought.
      First, please put spaces in your replies. Second, the lyrics of "Frozen Heart" can refer to anything in the film, including Marshmallow. Winter, ice, snow, water and cold has also been the cause of death for many bears in the Arctic circle (such as polar bears) and only the strongest and most lucky survive. Although rare, they can become a victim of hypothermia (especially if they inherit a certain gene that causes a loss in thickness of its fur and blubber), aswell as starvation (due to the desolate environment they live in) and disease and a lack of suitable habitat. I have watched some great documentaries on this and if I remembered the titles I'd recommend them for you to watch.

      When you say that "size doesn't equal strength", while it's true that it may not be the case all the time, mostly it is. If you have an object that is very large, then it's probably very heavy, and the heavier the object, the stronger the force. Take for example a truck, which is larger and more powerful than, let's say, a family car. This is the same case with Marshmallow (the truck) and Mor'du (the car). One also have to take into account that Marshmallow was able to push aside and pull up large trees and throw them high and far into the air with ease and almost no effort, and this I think is a great demonstration of him (as a creature created out of ice by the powerful Snow Queen herself) having powers "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" (which, if Mor'du only has the strength of approx. ten men, automatically means that he's more powerful than Mor'du) I am perfectly aware that Mor'du is no ordinary bear, but I don't think he would easily be able to do the things that Marshmallow did.

      The only reason Marshmallow lost his first real fight was because he was up against really the only character who could bring down the beast, that is the intelligent, observative, experienced and agile Prince Hans of the Southern Isles, whom with his very sharp sword and skills figured out how to attempt and luckily succeed to bring Marshmallow down But not for good, seeing as while Mor'du was killed, Marshmallow survived. That's also an important point, while Marshmallow is a formidable animated snow monster, Mor'du is a dangerous but mortal creature. You cannot really compare swords, spears and arrows (whom would evidently do little damage to both beasts) to the large, strong and sharp claws and teeth of ice (remember, "stronger than a hundred men!") that Marshmallow posess. The weapons in Marshmallow's arsenal would be more than enough to penetrate (you really need to gain more experience when it comes to how dangerous ice can be, especially while sharp and when you add a little pushing force) the hide of Mor'du and to crush his internal organs (such organs of which Marshmallow do not have).

      Really, the only reason Mor'du wasn't killed by a bunch of barbarian armies is obviously because no one was clever enough to figure out how (Hans, on the other hand, was far more clever and agile, and was presented with the opportunity to bring down the beast) or were even given an opportunity to do so. Also, anyone who has any experience with Marshmallow and Mor'du would know that spears and arrows practically has no effect whatsoever on these beasts. Swords? Perhaps, if the handler is lucky, smart, and skilled enough. I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people (this would also fit the personality of his creator, Elsa, the Snow Queen, seeing as she's not the one who would intentionally kill anyone).

      As it comes to their respective environments, Marshmallow and Mor'du live in two completely different environments, although similar to a certain extent. Whereas Marshmallow is situated in a Scandinavian habitat high up on a huge frozen (no pun intended) mountain of a very high altitude (The North Mountain, as you already stated), Mor'du exists in a deep, dark forest infested with old ruins of past settlements at the edge of the land of Britain. Also, even if Mor'du somehow would succeed to lure Marshmallow down the mountain and entering a warmer climate, there is no guarantee Marshmallow will melt (especially not if during an eternal winter), or that Mor'du would even be clever enough to care to try in the first place. Marshmallow could potentially even survive in a hotter environment in the same sense that Elsa gave Olaf his own personal flurry so that he could experience summer.

      Anyhow, my final verdict is still that Marshmallow would win a fight where he's pitted against Mor'du, and he would really have a great advantage here. Mor'du would pose quite the threat to Elsa, so I think Marshmallow would rapidly dispose of Mor'du. Mor'du isn't very clever or agile anyway, he'd still be a careless monster (due to his curse) who would only attack without any real strategy, and thus an easy battle for the guard of the Ice Palace. Careless monsters will face their demise rather early if encountering Marshmallow, only a charming prince of the Southern Isles has been able to defeat the great threat that Marshmallow makes him up to be for his opponents.

      I don't mean to upset anyone but how do we know the song Frozen heart was refuring to Marshmallow? I know Polar bears have died in the artic circal, I watch documantairys to (on Animal Planet and Nat Geo Wild to be precise) so I know all about  Survival of the Fitist. You said only the strongist survive but the avrage brown bear has the stranth of 5 men but Mor'du has the stranth of ten men so I don't think we need to worrie about wether or not Mor'du is strong enough to survive. Remamber half (if not most) of Marshmallow is made of snow so he may not be exactly as heavy as he seems. Also thous "barbaric" armys Mor'du fought were very powerful and barbaric dou't nasccasaraly mean stupid or anything and along with scottish highlanders Mor'du may have also fought Viking and Romans (cause Young Mucguffin and Wee Dingwall fought thous people), vikangs were barbarians yes but Romans were very intalagent and organized and if Marshmallow was stronger then Mor'du then how come he lost to a small army while Mor'du slew entire armys. Also it did't hit me until just know but that santance you said "'I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people" kinda maks me wonder is Marshmallow realy as dangourus as he appers or is he more made to intimadat rather then fight. About the environments they live in they are not to diffrent Mor'du dou't just rome the dark forest he goes in the moutains cause the Song of Mor'du says "He murders in the mountains and he fights with every Clan, his teeth and jaws have riped the heart of many a highland man", also Mor'du has lived thoue many winters (he has been alive for decads) so I think he knows how to handal cold weather and if he survived for so long then he must have survival skills (not surprising considering he is an animal) so he could be at least a bit claver and you don't led armys (like he did when he was fighting his brothers) by being dumb and I have seen Frozen many times and I never saw Elsa give Marshmallow a personal flurry of his own so he can't survive warm weather without melting. Also Marshmallow (as it says in the persinality section on his page) has some bumbaling edgas wich was shown when Anna and Kristoff outsmarted him by sending a tree into his face wich caused him to fall down on his back and Remamber Marshmallow is disabled (he walks with a limp) and was not very agile to begin with while Mor'du is very fast. Also I think Marshmallow was more protacting the Ice Castle then Elsa to be honast cause when he came back to the castel he did't seem worried that Elsa was't their so if the two did fight I think it would be Mor'du trying to invastigate the castel and Marshmallow trying to drive him off to be honest. 
      Again, please put SPACES in your replies, otherwise it can become hard to read. Also, you're not upsetting anyone, but do I really need to repeat myself? The lyrics of "Frozen Heart" (specifically the sentence of ice having a power "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!") aren't specifically or explicitly refering to Marshmallow, but it can definetely be applied to anything related to ice in the film, and that includes Marshmallow and his great size and power. There's no point in denying it.

      The movie Brave was describing normal bears as having the power of ten men (it didn't specifically mean that Mor'du was the only bear with the power of ten men, it referred to all bears in general), and granted, real bears almost seem to posess such power aswell. I don't know where you got the idea that "average bears have a power of five men".  Anywho, Mor'du is clearly able to survive for a while, but challenging Marshmallow could really be his death sentence.

      The majority of Marshmallow's body is made up of ice, there's no arguing there, but you also gotta realize that an increasing amount of snow can become extremely heavy and able to cause a great deal of damage while adding a pushing force. It's not as if Marshmallow is made of small snowflakes, but he is made up of compact and heavy snow. I guess all I'm saying here is you gotta gain a real perspective on this, on snow and the anatomy of Marshmallow. Because Marshmallow is DEFINETELY as heavy as he seems, denying that would simply be... Well, denial.

      I'm really starting to wonder at what time period the events in Brave actually takes place. Anyhow, first of all we gotta gain some perspectives here, we gotta realize that Mor'du and Marshmallow are two completely different creatures or characters, which can make it hard to compare them. But anyway, I guess the reason Mor'du was never brought down sooner by all those armies was probably because (and I believe I've stated this earlier) the opponents of Mor'du simply didn't have the right equipment or cunning to bring down the beast (but considering Mor'du was only brought down by a "two-ton-pebble" in the age of Merida, I find it rather hard to believe that none of those so-called great armies were able to bring him down much sooner).

      The reason Marshmallow was brought down by one single person, I believe was because that single person (Prince Hans) was clever, brave, agile and cunning enough to bring down the beast. Hans is a bright and skilled soldier, able to make fast and smart decisions, and I believe he could probably come up with a plan to get rid of Mor'du aswell if the opportunity presented itself to the formidable prince. But you must also remember that Marshmallow didn't really lose the battle (well, not in the same sense that Mor'du lost to a large stone), because he survived and showed really no sign of injury other than his chopped-off leg, and it must also be pointed out that Hans barely survived the fight (as Marshmallow almost took Hans with him in the fall). I bet Marshmallow could "slay entire armies" aswell, if he had to or felt the need.

      Is Marshmallow really as dangerous as he appears? Well, who knows? We know he chased Anna and Kristoff off a cliff (something that should be considered dangerous and even deadly) and he also tried to grab on to Hans on the ice-staircase as he was falling down the mountain. Is he really that dangerous? Is it something you'd dare to find out? I don't think so, I think we should consider that his appearance may also speak for how deadly he really may be (even if his intentions weren't to harm or kill people, he is afterall born out of fear and snow, and those two ingredients may not end well together).

      Mor'du may stalk mountains, but not on the same altitude as (or with a permanent frozen environment as) The North Mountain. The North Mountain is constantly covered in snow and ice (due to its elevation) and thus never thaw, and you would definetely not expect it to thaw in an eternal winter weather. I'm also not sure if Mor'du would be able to take such an environment for any longer period of time without any kind of cover from the deep and blinding snow, sharp ice, relentless cliffs, and blood-freezing cold wind and temperature (aswell as a deadly giant snowman and packs of wolves who are adapted to this habitat and who are even able to kill bears and humans). Bottom line, The North Mountain is not a suitable habitat for Mor'du, even if he could visit the location and survive there for a little while, I bet he's tough enough to endure a longer period of time than most bears. At least back in Scotland he had shelter and lots of food, and this is where he belongs. Not on the high and merciless mountain we call, The North Mountain.

      Mor'du does have some experience, but he's overall a mindless beast who doesn't really care about his surroundings, he just attacks and attacks and attacks with sheer power and large and sharp claws and teeth. No, Mor'du's not very clever, at least not on the same level as Merida, Elinor, or Hans. You must also remember that as Mor'du turned into a bear, he lost control over his body due to his curse, and the monstrous bear inside him took over him completely, meaning he cannot make very smart decisions anylonger as he turned a bear (but to be fair, Mor'du didn't seem very smart as a human to begin with). Also, some truly dumb people can lead armies, but the reason he lead the army is because he had fighting experience and hunger, and he was dominant. This doesn't have anything to do with his intelligence. A truly intelligent man doesn't even start a war to begin with.

      You've misunderstood my words. I NEVER said that Elsa gave Marshmallow his own personal flurry, I just pointed out that something similar as a personal flurry that can keep him alive without melting could be used by Marshmallow. But once again, he doesn't need it because he was practically made to guard the castle and it's unlikely that he would even leave the mountain and risk to melt away anyway.

      Two other things that you must bear (no pun intended) in mind here is that (1) we're talking about a fictional scenario where Mor'du is alive and he encounters Marshmallow, which could mean the version of him that does not have a limp as a leg, but the complete Marshmallow, and (2) Marshmallow could have healed himself eventually anyway, so if he somehow would encounter Mor'du, he could be in one whole piece by that time. Marshmallow may not be very agile, but he's not supposed to either, he's supposed to be a big, scary and deadly obstacle that stops people from entering the Ice Palace (initially the Snow Queen's own sister due to the fear she would harm her). But Marshmallow is undoubtedly fast, seeing as he takes giant steps that almost floats in the deep snow, while humans or other creatures may struggle in the snow or get caught and slowed down. Mor'du may be fast and deadly aswell, and in the end he would admittedly pose an interesting opponent, but I still place my bet on Marshmallow and his powerful hands and claws and teeth.

      Remamber the Duke's BodyGuards, If Marshmallow had the strangth of 100 men then he would have killed them when he swiped them with his claws but No they were uninjurd enough (possibly uninjurd at all) to get right up, storm the castle and battle Elsa. Also It did't seem like Brave was describing the bears as haveing the strength of ten men, Mor'du aside it seemd to me like the bears in that movie were not to diffrent then the bears in real life (by the way I saw a documantery once on Nat Geo Wild that said a grizzaly bear had the strenght of five men).

      Marshmallow seems to me like he is mostly made up of snow and compact and heavy or not snow comes apart easaly, what would keep Mor'du from simply swiping clumps of snow of of Marshmallow until thir is not much left of Marshmallow to fight.

      The highlanders were brave, agile and cunning. Take William Wallace for example he was a highlander and he was actuly a claver tacticion. Their are also the Celts thay were savage barbarians and dominated wastern and nothern europe during the iron age but were still civilized people when they were not fighting and were even caditid on the invention of soupe from whai I hear. And remamber Vikings and Romans invaded (as seen by how Lord MacGuffin said his son scutled the viking long suips and how Lord Dingwall said his son fought the Romans) and whos to say they did't encounter and try to kill Mor'du but filled, Viking were barbarians yes but it's not like they were dumb or anything they were briliant explorers and very good at planning tactics and the Romans were smart, organized, good at planning tactics and were great fighters. If Marshmallow was strong enough to bet entire armys like Mor'du did then he should have been able to take care of Hans and the Castle guards esaly but he failed.

      Marshmallow did chase Anna and Kristoff to a cliff and did try to bring Hans down with him but Mor'du (and any monster for that matter) probbably would have done the same if you ask me. Also Mor'du has commited much destruction and murderd many people over the years has tryed to kille someone every time he was seen wich means he has a killer instint but Marshmallow never killed anyone, the only time he tryed was when he tryed to bring Hans down into the gorge with him, he had the opprtonity to harm Anna and Kristoff but instad he just roard at them to not come back.

      Mor'du can handle cold weather cause he had to have been doing that to live  in the wilderness of a northern country like Scotland. He (like most bears) has fur that can help him stay warm and he is all black (dark colors absorb more heat in the sunlight) and I'm sure the highlands of Scotland has cold snowy mountains like the North Mountain. Also the North mountain is surraounded by forests (wich Anna and Kristoff and Sven went throu to get to Elsa's castle on the mountain) so Mor'du could surch the forest for food if he can't find any on the mountain and I don't think the wolfs would be to big a problum for him.

      I would't say Mor'du is "mindless" his page on the pixar wiki he may have intallagance in him because he remamberd Merida from the first time he saw her when she was a wee lasse. Also Mor'du dous have expareance (as we both know). Remamber he (for an unknown motive) had an obsassin with killing Merida and you know how sometimes when some one keeps trying to acheive a gole they start to forget about everything else, I think what probabbly happend was he became so obsassed with killing Merida (again for an unknown reason) that he forgot about everything else. Also bears naturaly are remarkably intallagent animals.

      If Mor'du is't mindless (as I just said above) what would keep him from trying to bring Marshmallow down to a warmer elavation leval knowing Marshmallow was made of snow and if Marshmallow did't have a flurry what would keep him from melting. Also I saw thous Marshmallow vs Mor'du pics above and maby Marshmallow is bit bigger but it dous't look like thier too diffrant in terms of size. And remamber if Arrows, Spears, Swords and other man made metal weapons could't kill Mor'du then how could ice I mean when you think about it you don't see lagandary warriors using ice as weapons instade of iron or steel do you.

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      Eating Marshmallow's head would not kill him. Just look at Olaf, his body remained animated in spite of being separated from the head. The fact remains, Mor'du is mortal and Marshmallow isn't. You can't kill that which was never alive to begin with.

      It's possible Marshmallow's fall was cushioned but unlike Anna and Kristoff, he fell in relatively narrow gap and also had the possiblity of smashing into the cliffsides as he fell. And look, he emerged intact. Mor'du on the other hand, perished when a rock fell on him.

      Yes true but when Olaf's head was still in one peice when it was separated from his body I'm talking about Mor'du eating Marshmallow's head peice by peice and then swalloing it into his stomic (wich is filled with digastive juices) and technically you do have to be alive in order to move and talk and if your alive you will one day die (in terms of life and death that's pretty much a rule for all creaturs). Also I did't see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides when I saw him fall. Also It's not like the menhir that fall on Mor'du was a tiny pebble or anything if you ask me that rock must have weighed at least two tones. Just out of curiosity have you seen the movie Brave (or Wreck it Ralph) yet.
      First, there is no guarantee Marshmallow would die from having his head chewed up to snow flakes. Second, that would mean Mor'du would have to somehow get a grip of Marshmallow's head in the first place, something I'm not sure he'd pull off, especially considering Marshmallow stands much taller than Mor'du. Marshmallow is indeed "alive", but not in the same sense that Mor'du or you and me are "alive". Marshmallow is brought to life through a completely different magical process that could be really hard to explain, but at least we know he's an end product of Elsa's ice-powers' reflections of her fear. By the way, did you know that water (including ice and snow) actually does reflect people's emotions? There's actually been studies on this. Also, we didn't need to see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides as he fell, it could be assumed considering the location of which he fell. It wouldn't surprise me if Marshmallow would have been able to lift up and throw away that "two-ton pebble" which ended up as the demise of Mor'du. I don't know about Dragonboy6491, but I at least have seen Brave and Wreck-It Ralph, and they're great films, some of my big favourites actually (and it's no wonder really when one of these two films were written by the great writer and co-director of Frozen; a.k.a. Jen Lee).
      If Marshmallow loses his head he can't see, hear or small anymore so how would he even be able to fight Mor'du if he can't know whare Mor'du even is and Mor'du dou't realy have to stop with just the head. He could charge at Marshmallow to knock him down and while Marshmallow is down Mor'du could brake off his good leg and then if he needs to avoid the ice claws (wich I realy don't think would be able to panitrat him anyway) he could use his speed to dart away from the snow monster walk behing Marshmallow while he is trying to pick himself up Mor 'du can carge him from behind whar Marshmallow would have a much harder time swaping at the demon bear with his ice claws and if his ice spikes are out Mor'du can use his strangth and razor sharp claws to brake them of of Marshmallow's back then pin Marshmallow's chasst to the ground and then brake off Marshmallow's arms then eat Marshmallow's head off. Also maby Marshmallow is big (maby a bit bigger then Mor'du, Maby) but Mor'du is still a Realy large Bear so it's not like Marshmallow is dwarfs Mor'du. If we did't see Marshmallow hit any cliff sides on the way down then how can we be sure that he did and just because Marshmallow can toss a tree dous't realy mean he can lift a menhir (wich is probbably heaver) and the menhir (wich remamber was part of an anchant ring of stones) could have had some magic property that could have contributed to Mor'du's death (not saying that happend just a thery I just thout of right know). It may be a close fight but I think Mor'du would win in the end. 
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      We can't really know what happens to Marshmallow if he loses his head, simply because we never observed him losing his head in the film or the consequences that would follow, so that's not really something we can argue upon as of currently. Also, remember that Marshmallow is not alive in the same sense that we are alive, and that his body is not biological and doesn't work quite the same way as ours or that of Mor'du. There is a main difference between these two beasts; Marshmallow is immortal and cannot be killed or destroyed unless removed by Elsa herself or by melting (unless he's still alive in a melted state, something we have yet to observe), but Mor'du is immortal (as he can live for a seemingly unlimited amount of time) but still mortal, as he can be killed by having his internal organs crushed (organs that Marshmallow himself do not have).

      Marshmallow could smash Mor'du into the ground or slam him into a cliff-side with his huge hands as Mor'du is charging at him, and Marshmallow could then go on to either penetrate Mor'du's hide and internal organs with his claws or just crush his internal organs with his feet or hands. Marshmallow could also lift up Mor'du and bite into his internal organs (causing him to bleed to death) and/or throw him over the cliff to a rather certain death. And you must understand that ice is very formidable and deadly overall, a football- or knife-sized piece of ice could even penetrate and/or crush a human skull if falling towards it. Marshmallow's huge ice claws, teeth and spikes are more than sharp and deadly enough to fatally hurt Mor'du, it will slide right through his (in comparison) thin hide and soft organs. I've really been through this concept before.

      Your concept relies on that Mor'du even gets the chance to knock down Marshmallow, and there's no guarantee Marshmallow's gonna let that occur. Also, it's not fair to judge the two characters by their current or recently observed state in each of their respective films, seeing as Mor'du was killed, and Marshmallow lost half his leg. It's not even match, and the battle could never happen in this state, so the fight should be judged from an undisturbed earlier state where Mor'du is still alive and Marshmallow's legs are both intact, and the fight has to take place on The North Mountain because we haven't observed the effects of Marshmallow (as a magical giant snowman brought to life by mysterious powers) leaving this frozen environment for a warmer one.

      Size Marshmallow Mordu

      Marshmallow is also considerably larger than Mor'du, as can be observed in the picture I added to the right in this reply. Mor'du may be an unusually big bear, but Marshmallow most definetely dwarfs Mor'du in comparison.

      Again, I never said we could be sure Marshmallow hit any cliffsides, I just said it could be assumed considering the location of which he fell, below a cliff surrounded by other cliffs.

      Also, I never said Marshmallow could lift a menhir, I just stated it wouldn't surprise me if he could, considering his huge or gigantic size and sheer power.

      Anyhow, you should know by now that I've already placed a rather secure bet on Marshmallow as an evident winner, even though Mor'du may have posed a great or interesting challenge. I salute both monsters as great opponents aswell as two of my favourite fictional characters.

      How on earth would Marshmallow be able to fight Mor'du if he can't see or hear whare the demon bear is and how can he see or hear whare the demon bear is if he losses his head. Also Marshmallow can melt to death (as Olaf almost did when summer cam back before Elsa gave him his flurry). Or Mor'du can just take Marshmallow apart peice by peice leving no single body part intact.

      How can Marshmallow pick up Mor'du or even overpower Mor'du at all if Mor'du is stronger then Marshmallow as evadanced by the fact that Mor'du had vanquashed whole entire armys for decads while Marshmallow was quickly defetad by a small army himself. Also Marshmallow may have formidable claws but his ice teeth are don't seem like their big enought to panitrat Mor'du's hide. Maby a football or knife sized pice of Ice can panatrat a Human skull but Mor'du dou' not have a human skull he has a Demon Bear Skull, If metal weapons that were made to kill could't penatrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him then how can a football sized peice of ice. 

      Ok maby Marshmallow is a bit bigger but only a bit. It's not like a David and Goliath kind of thing their not to diffrant in terms of size and being slightly (remamber not alot bigger only slightly) bigger is not a real advatage, besides their is an old saying "The Bigger they are the Harder thay fall" (no pun intanded cause you know Marshmallow fell down a raven).

      If we did't see Marshmallow hit any cilffsides on the way down then how can we be sure. And how do we even know for sure if Marshmallow can lift a menhir that might have weighed two tons cause being big is't the same as being strong (as I said before). I also thinke their both great and it would be a close fight but I realy think Mor'du would come out on top.

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      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?
      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart" it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.
      Respactfluly I will have to disagree with you. Also how do we even know Marshmallow has the strength of a hundred men, cause thous lyrics could have been refuring to the winter or something else. Ice and snow dous't kill bears bers have been known to hunt in show before they start hibernating infact their are bears that love being in snow like Polar Bears. Larger is not always the same thing as stronger, Marshmallow is strong but I would't say he is "one hundred men" strong and it's not like Mor'du is just any avrage bear he was a very strong man who was turned into a bear by the Witch's magic spell (after forsaking family for power). Also remamber Marshmallow lost after fighting one small army (Hans and the Castle Guards to be precise) while Mor'du  defetad his own army with was quit large (after becoming a demon bear) and other armys for canturys after that battle wich (if you ask me) means that Mor'du is eather stronger then Marshmallow or more durable (or most likely both). About that whole "environment" thing Marshmallow lives in the moutans (The Northen Moutain to be exact) and Mor'du live in the moutans (as heard in the Song of Mor'du) So I would't say the environment they live in is so diffrent and Mor'du also romes the forest (wich Marshmallow can't do during warm weather seasons) so if the fight started in the moutans and Mor'du was able to bring the fight down the moutan and into the forest he would survive while Marshmallow would melt. How can Marshmallows claws (that are made of ice) penetrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him when spear heads, arrow heads and Swords (wich are made of Metal) could't also if Furgus sword (and other weapons most likely) can shatter hitting Mor'du then what would keep ice (wich Marshmallow has for claws) from doing the same. Also Mor'du has much more expereance in fighting after battling his brothers (in his human form) and killing people (and armys) for decads and decads and decads while Marshmallow only fought one small army (Hans army) and lost. So I'm sorry but I don't think Marshmallow has alot of advatages if the two fought.
      First, please put spaces in your replies. Second, the lyrics of "Frozen Heart" can refer to anything in the film, including Marshmallow. Winter, ice, snow, water and cold has also been the cause of death for many bears in the Arctic circle (such as polar bears) and only the strongest and most lucky survive. Although rare, they can become a victim of hypothermia (especially if they inherit a certain gene that causes a loss in thickness of its fur and blubber), aswell as starvation (due to the desolate environment they live in) and disease and a lack of suitable habitat. I have watched some great documentaries on this and if I remembered the titles I'd recommend them for you to watch.

      When you say that "size doesn't equal strength", while it's true that it may not be the case all the time, mostly it is. If you have an object that is very large, then it's probably very heavy, and the heavier the object, the stronger the force. Take for example a truck, which is larger and more powerful than, let's say, a family car. This is the same case with Marshmallow (the truck) and Mor'du (the car). One also have to take into account that Marshmallow was able to push aside and pull up large trees and throw them high and far into the air with ease and almost no effort, and this I think is a great demonstration of him (as a creature created out of ice by the powerful Snow Queen herself) having powers "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" (which, if Mor'du only has the strength of approx. ten men, automatically means that he's more powerful than Mor'du) I am perfectly aware that Mor'du is no ordinary bear, but I don't think he would easily be able to do the things that Marshmallow did.

      The only reason Marshmallow lost his first real fight was because he was up against really the only character who could bring down the beast, that is the intelligent, observative, experienced and agile Prince Hans of the Southern Isles, whom with his very sharp sword and skills figured out how to attempt and luckily succeed to bring Marshmallow down But not for good, seeing as while Mor'du was killed, Marshmallow survived. That's also an important point, while Marshmallow is a formidable animated snow monster, Mor'du is a dangerous but mortal creature. You cannot really compare swords, spears and arrows (whom would evidently do little damage to both beasts) to the large, strong and sharp claws and teeth of ice (remember, "stronger than a hundred men!") that Marshmallow posess. The weapons in Marshmallow's arsenal would be more than enough to penetrate (you really need to gain more experience when it comes to how dangerous ice can be, especially while sharp and when you add a little pushing force) the hide of Mor'du and to crush his internal organs (such organs of which Marshmallow do not have).

      Really, the only reason Mor'du wasn't killed by a bunch of barbarian armies is obviously because no one was clever enough to figure out how (Hans, on the other hand, was far more clever and agile, and was presented with the opportunity to bring down the beast) or were even given an opportunity to do so. Also, anyone who has any experience with Marshmallow and Mor'du would know that spears and arrows practically has no effect whatsoever on these beasts. Swords? Perhaps, if the handler is lucky, smart, and skilled enough. I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people (this would also fit the personality of his creator, Elsa, the Snow Queen, seeing as she's not the one who would intentionally kill anyone).

      As it comes to their respective environments, Marshmallow and Mor'du live in two completely different environments, although similar to a certain extent. Whereas Marshmallow is situated in a Scandinavian habitat high up on a huge frozen (no pun intended) mountain of a very high altitude (The North Mountain, as you already stated), Mor'du exists in a deep, dark forest infested with old ruins of past settlements at the edge of the land of Britain. Also, even if Mor'du somehow would succeed to lure Marshmallow down the mountain and entering a warmer climate, there is no guarantee Marshmallow will melt (especially not if during an eternal winter), or that Mor'du would even be clever enough to care to try in the first place. Marshmallow could potentially even survive in a hotter environment in the same sense that Elsa gave Olaf his own personal flurry so that he could experience summer.

      Anyhow, my final verdict is still that Marshmallow would win a fight where he's pitted against Mor'du, and he would really have a great advantage here. Mor'du would pose quite the threat to Elsa, so I think Marshmallow would rapidly dispose of Mor'du. Mor'du isn't very clever or agile anyway, he'd still be a careless monster (due to his curse) who would only attack without any real strategy, and thus an easy battle for the guard of the Ice Palace. Careless monsters will face their demise rather early if encountering Marshmallow, only a charming prince of the Southern Isles has been able to defeat the great threat that Marshmallow makes him up to be for his opponents.

      I don't mean to upset anyone but how do we know the song Frozen heart was refuring to Marshmallow? I know Polar bears have died in the artic circal, I watch documantairys to (on Animal Planet and Nat Geo Wild to be precise) so I know all about  Survival of the Fitist. You said only the strongist survive but the avrage brown bear has the stranth of 5 men but Mor'du has the stranth of ten men so I don't think we need to worrie about wether or not Mor'du is strong enough to survive. Remamber half (if not most) of Marshmallow is made of snow so he may not be exactly as heavy as he seems. Also thous "barbaric" armys Mor'du fought were very powerful and barbaric dou't nasccasaraly mean stupid or anything and along with scottish highlanders Mor'du may have also fought Viking and Romans (cause Young Mucguffin and Wee Dingwall fought thous people), vikangs were barbarians yes but Romans were very intalagent and organized and if Marshmallow was stronger then Mor'du then how come he lost to a small army while Mor'du slew entire armys. Also it did't hit me until just know but that santance you said "'I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people" kinda maks me wonder is Marshmallow realy as dangourus as he appers or is he more made to intimadat rather then fight. About the environments they live in they are not to diffrent Mor'du dou't just rome the dark forest he goes in the moutains cause the Song of Mor'du says "He murders in the mountains and he fights with every Clan, his teeth and jaws have riped the heart of many a highland man", also Mor'du has lived thoue many winters (he has been alive for decads) so I think he knows how to handal cold weather and if he survived for so long then he must have survival skills (not surprising considering he is an animal) so he could be at least a bit claver and you don't led armys (like he did when he was fighting his brothers) by being dumb and I have seen Frozen many times and I never saw Elsa give Marshmallow a personal flurry of his own so he can't survive warm weather without melting. Also Marshmallow (as it says in the persinality section on his page) has some bumbaling edgas wich was shown when Anna and Kristoff outsmarted him by sending a tree into his face wich caused him to fall down on his back and Remamber Marshmallow is disabled (he walks with a limp) and was not very agile to begin with while Mor'du is very fast. Also I think Marshmallow was more protacting the Ice Castle then Elsa to be honast cause when he came back to the castel he did't seem worried that Elsa was't their so if the two did fight I think it would be Mor'du trying to invastigate the castel and Marshmallow trying to drive him off to be honest. 
      Again, please put SPACES in your replies, otherwise it can become hard to read. Also, you're not upsetting anyone, but do I really need to repeat myself? The lyrics of "Frozen Heart" (specifically the sentence of ice having a power "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!") aren't specifically or explicitly refering to Marshmallow, but it can definetely be applied to anything related to ice in the film, and that includes Marshmallow and his great size and power. There's no point in denying it.

      The movie Brave was describing normal bears as having the power of ten men (it didn't specifically mean that Mor'du was the only bear with the power of ten men, it referred to all bears in general), and granted, real bears almost seem to posess such power aswell. I don't know where you got the idea that "average bears have a power of five men".  Anywho, Mor'du is clearly able to survive for a while, but challenging Marshmallow could really be his death sentence.

      The majority of Marshmallow's body is made up of ice, there's no arguing there, but you also gotta realize that an increasing amount of snow can become extremely heavy and able to cause a great deal of damage while adding a pushing force. It's not as if Marshmallow is made of small snowflakes, but he is made up of compact and heavy snow. I guess all I'm saying here is you gotta gain a real perspective on this, on snow and the anatomy of Marshmallow. Because Marshmallow is DEFINETELY as heavy as he seems, denying that would simply be... Well, denial.

      I'm really starting to wonder at what time period the events in Brave actually takes place. Anyhow, first of all we gotta gain some perspectives here, we gotta realize that Mor'du and Marshmallow are two completely different creatures or characters, which can make it hard to compare them. But anyway, I guess the reason Mor'du was never brought down sooner by all those armies was probably because (and I believe I've stated this earlier) the opponents of Mor'du simply didn't have the right equipment or cunning to bring down the beast (but considering Mor'du was only brought down by a "two-ton-pebble" in the age of Merida, I find it rather hard to believe that none of those so-called great armies were able to bring him down much sooner).

      The reason Marshmallow was brought down by one single person, I believe was because that single person (Prince Hans) was clever, brave, agile and cunning enough to bring down the beast. Hans is a bright and skilled soldier, able to make fast and smart decisions, and I believe he could probably come up with a plan to get rid of Mor'du aswell if the opportunity presented itself to the formidable prince. But you must also remember that Marshmallow didn't really lose the battle (well, not in the same sense that Mor'du lost to a large stone), because he survived and showed really no sign of injury other than his chopped-off leg, and it must also be pointed out that Hans barely survived the fight (as Marshmallow almost took Hans with him in the fall). I bet Marshmallow could "slay entire armies" aswell, if he had to or felt the need.

      Is Marshmallow really as dangerous as he appears? Well, who knows? We know he chased Anna and Kristoff off a cliff (something that should be considered dangerous and even deadly) and he also tried to grab on to Hans on the ice-staircase as he was falling down the mountain. Is he really that dangerous? Is it something you'd dare to find out? I don't think so, I think we should consider that his appearance may also speak for how deadly he really may be (even if his intentions weren't to harm or kill people, he is afterall born out of fear and snow, and those two ingredients may not end well together).

      Mor'du may stalk mountains, but not on the same altitude as (or with a permanent frozen environment as) The North Mountain. The North Mountain is constantly covered in snow and ice (due to its elevation) and thus never thaw, and you would definetely not expect it to thaw in an eternal winter weather. I'm also not sure if Mor'du would be able to take such an environment for any longer period of time without any kind of cover from the deep and blinding snow, sharp ice, relentless cliffs, and blood-freezing cold wind and temperature (aswell as a deadly giant snowman and packs of wolves who are adapted to this habitat and who are even able to kill bears and humans). Bottom line, The North Mountain is not a suitable habitat for Mor'du, even if he could visit the location and survive there for a little while, I bet he's tough enough to endure a longer period of time than most bears. At least back in Scotland he had shelter and lots of food, and this is where he belongs. Not on the high and merciless mountain we call, The North Mountain.

      Mor'du does have some experience, but he's overall a mindless beast who doesn't really care about his surroundings, he just attacks and attacks and attacks with sheer power and large and sharp claws and teeth. No, Mor'du's not very clever, at least not on the same level as Merida, Elinor, or Hans. You must also remember that as Mor'du turned into a bear, he lost control over his body due to his curse, and the monstrous bear inside him took over him completely, meaning he cannot make very smart decisions anylonger as he turned a bear (but to be fair, Mor'du didn't seem very smart as a human to begin with). Also, some truly dumb people can lead armies, but the reason he lead the army is because he had fighting experience and hunger, and he was dominant. This doesn't have anything to do with his intelligence. A truly intelligent man doesn't even start a war to begin with.

      You've misunderstood my words. I NEVER said that Elsa gave Marshmallow his own personal flurry, I just pointed out that something similar as a personal flurry that can keep him alive without melting could be used by Marshmallow. But once again, he doesn't need it because he was practically made to guard the castle and it's unlikely that he would even leave the mountain and risk to melt away anyway.

      Two other things that you must bear (no pun intended) in mind here is that (1) we're talking about a fictional scenario where Mor'du is alive and he encounters Marshmallow, which could mean the version of him that does not have a limp as a leg, but the complete Marshmallow, and (2) Marshmallow could have healed himself eventually anyway, so if he somehow would encounter Mor'du, he could be in one whole piece by that time. Marshmallow may not be very agile, but he's not supposed to either, he's supposed to be a big, scary and deadly obstacle that stops people from entering the Ice Palace (initially the Snow Queen's own sister due to the fear she would harm her). But Marshmallow is undoubtedly fast, seeing as he takes giant steps that almost floats in the deep snow, while humans or other creatures may struggle in the snow or get caught and slowed down. Mor'du may be fast and deadly aswell, and in the end he would admittedly pose an interesting opponent, but I still place my bet on Marshmallow and his powerful hands and claws and teeth.

      Remamber the Duke's BodyGuards, If Marshmallow had the strangth of 100 men then he would have killed them when he swiped them with his claws but No they were uninjurd enough (possibly uninjurd at all) to get right up, storm the castle and battle Elsa. Also It did't seem like Brave was describing the bears as haveing the strength of ten men, Mor'du aside it seemd to me like the bears in that movie were not to diffrent then the bears in real life (by the way I saw a documantery once on Nat Geo Wild that said a grizzaly bear had the strenght of five men).

      Marshmallow seems to me like he is mostly made up of snow and compact and heavy or not snow comes apart easaly, what would keep Mor'du from simply swiping clumps of snow of of Marshmallow until thir is not much left of Marshmallow to fight.

      The highlanders were brave, agile and cunning. Take William Wallace for example he was a highlander and he was actuly a claver tacticion. Their are also the Celts thay were savage barbarians and dominated wastern and nothern europe during the iron age but were still civilized people when they were not fighting and were even caditid on the invention of soupe from whai I hear. And remamber Vikings and Romans invaded (as seen by how Lord MacGuffin said his son scutled the viking long suips and how Lord Dingwall said his son fought the Romans) and whos to say they did't encounter and try to kill Mor'du but filled, Viking were barbarians yes but it's not like they were dumb or anything they were briliant explorers and very good at planning tactics and the Romans were smart, organized, good at planning tactics and were great fighters. If Marshmallow was strong enough to bet entire armys like Mor'du did then he should have been able to take care of Hans and the Castle guards esaly but he failed.

      Marshmallow did chase Anna and Kristoff to a cliff and did try to bring Hans down with him but Mor'du (and any monster for that matter) probbably would have done the same if you ask me. Also Mor'du has commited much destruction and murderd many people over the years has tryed to kille someone every time he was seen wich means he has a killer instint but Marshmallow never killed anyone, the only time he tryed was when he tryed to bring Hans down into the gorge with him, he had the opprtonity to harm Anna and Kristoff but instad he just roard at them to not come back.

      Mor'du can handle cold weather cause he had to have been doing that to live  in the wilderness of a northern country like Scotland. He (like most bears) has fur that can help him stay warm and he is all black (dark colors absorb more heat in the sunlight) and I'm sure the highlands of Scotland has cold snowy mountains like the North Mountain. Also the North mountain is surraounded by forests (wich Anna and Kristoff and Sven went throu to get to Elsa's castle on the mountain) so Mor'du could surch the forest for food if he can't find any on the mountain and I don't think the wolfs would be to big a problum for him.

      I would't say Mor'du is "mindless" his page on the pixar wiki he may have intallagance in him because he remamberd Merida from the first time he saw her when she was a wee lasse. Also Mor'du dous have expareance (as we both know). Remamber he (for an unknown motive) had an obsassin with killing Merida and you know how sometimes when some one keeps trying to acheive a gole they start to forget about everything else, I think what probabbly happend was he became so obsassed with killing Merida (again for an unknown reason) that he forgot about everything else. Also bears naturaly are remarkably intallagent animals.

      If Mor'du is't mindless (as I just said above) what would keep him from trying to bring Marshmallow down to a warmer elavation leval knowing Marshmallow was made of snow and if Marshmallow did't have a flurry what would keep him from melting. Also I saw thous Marshmallow vs Mor'du pics above and maby Marshmallow is bit bigger but it dous't look like thier too diffrant in terms of size. And remamber if Arrows, Spears, Swords and other man made metal weapons could't kill Mor'du then how could ice I mean when you think about it you don't see lagandary warriors using ice as weapons instade of iron or steel do you.


      1. Regardless of whether he had the "strength of a hundred men" or not, he really didn't need to put all of his potential force to use when smashing the guards away. He didn't need to kill them, but he only needed to keep them away from the Ice Palace, and Elsa. Bear that in mind. Not to mention they hit a wall of snow (it's not really the same as if they had hit a wall of stone exactly), but they definetely appear to suffer from the blow of Marshmallow's large claws. The fact that they're getting straight up is obviously because they didn't get hurt enough and they were strong enough to endure the pain. Even getting their focus on Elsa could help them ignore the pain. Anyway, if he wished, Marshmallow could very probably have brutally killed every guard.

      2. The strength of bears could have been a bit exaggerated in Brave, but that doesn't change the fact that the phrases "strong as five men" or "strong as ten men" are still the very same type of metaphor to describe the superhuman strength of bears in general, it doesn't really signify that Mor'du specifically was much more powerful than any other bear or that he was the only bear with the "strength of ten men", but merely that bears overall are powerful creatures. Period.

      3. Marshmallow seems to be made up of compact snow and ice, yes, and Mor'du definetely could slice off parts of his body if Marshmallow stood still and didn't care. But here you gotta look at it from a more plausible perspective, Marshmallow would obviously not just stand there and let the bear tear him apart. No, Marshmallow would defend himself, and if Mor'du would aggravate the giant snowman, I think Marshmallow would attempt to end the fight by attacking Mor'du and chasing after him (in case Mor'du would flee). I've been through this before, and the fact that Marshmallow is so huge and compact, has large and sharp teeth and claws of ice, and is able to lift and toss away a large pine tree (with an estimated average weight of two to four tonnes; which was enough to kill Mor'du), I think this is enough to say if Marshmallow would consider Mor'du a real threat, he'd be more than able to kill off the bear or toss him down the mountain. Marshmallow could end up with a few minor scratches, but that's about it. Although I guess we all have our own version of how this fight would end, it's really becoming ridiculous arguing about this.

      4. We also gotta remember that we're talking about two completely different characters from two completely different films with two completely different fictional backgrounds. I must say, it feels a bit odd that a beast such as Mor'du wasn't killed off much earlier while "fighting all of these supposed great armies", but was first killed by a rock while fighting a number of ten to twelve people or so! Hans was cunning and clever, and remember that it was only him that succeeded to defeat Marshmallow. I do not think any person or soldier would be able to defeat him as easily, and again, Marshmallow didn't seek to fight and kill the guards, but merely hold them back from Elsa's Palace, making him hold in his full fighting capacity. I mean, the very reason Hans succeeded to defeat the snowman was because he had a sharp sword along with skills and bravery, and he was also given the right moment to strike.

      5. I must also say that, the moment Marshmallow fell and tried to take Hans with him, I do not believe he intended to kill Hans, but merely stop him from reaching the palace. Marshmallow also reflect his creator's personality to a degree, as Elsa isn't a killer either, she's just trying to have people stay away from her. Mor'du having experience in killing people doesn't really make much of a difference if you were to put these two big beasts against each other.

      6. I do believe Mor'du could potentially survive the cold, harsh environment of the North Mountain, perhaps even fight off the wolf packs that stalk the landscape and snowy slopes of the mountains in the region. But one must bare in mind that (unlike the warmer environment of Scotland and the lower elevation of the fjord where Arendelle is located) summer never arrives at the North Mountain, but this is a winterland all year 'round. It would have been of great difficulty for Mor'du to survive due to food-sources being too scarce, and as a bear he does need food and protein to survive (and endure the drop in temperature) and even be able to keep his strength and occasionally fight off big wolf packs. His black fur would absorb more heat, but that process requires that the sunlight is almost constantly available, whereas the North Mountain would be covered in cloudy darkness and cold snowstorms most of the time. Anyhow, Mor'du could survive on the mountain for a short period of time, but he's adapted to live in a habitat like the highlands of Scotland, not like the North Mountain.

      7. Mor'du is clearly a "mindless" beast who's not precautious, who do not care about his actions or even think them through. There is no indication whatsoever in the film that he remembers Merida, and even if he did, this wouldn't show intelligence, this would show he has a functioning memory. Mor'du was never "obsessed with killing Merida", specifically, he was just attacking anyone that got in his way. Your reasoning in this case do not work. Real bears are intelligent animals, yes, but you can't really say the same about a [fictional] demonic beast such as Mor'du. Though you can see at the end of the film when Mor'du dies that the soul of the human prince that was trapped inside the beast's body forever DID have a mind and showed gratitude that Merida and her people had freed him from his eternal prison inside Mor'du.

      8. But Mor'du IS clearly mindless, thus trying to consider that Mor'du would somehow be smart enough to figure out that heat would melt Marshmallow is far-fetched and very much unlike Mor'du's vicious character.

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      9. Both Mor'du and Marshmallow are really huge creatures, larger than any man or woman at least, but there is a significant difference in size (as seen in another picture in this reply which holds an estimated size-comparison between the two characters).

      10. Ice would not have been a suitable choice of weapon for a human (even though it can be used as a weapon). But Marshmallow is no human, and he is made of ice and snow, and his sheer power combined with the huge ice spikes, claws and teeth that he possess, he woould have been a truly formidable foe and pose a serious threat to anyone or anything. Ice is something completely different from any man-made metal-weapons like arrows, spears or swords. Marshmallow's ice claws are large and sharp, but you also need to combine that with a pushing force to penetrate Mor'du's hide. The swords, spears and arrows that covered Mor'du's body were not powerful enough and lacked sufficient force and velocity to be able to penetrate the beast's internal organs. Marshmallow (with his huge sharp ice claws and powerful arms) would have been more than able to penetrate Mor'du right through his body.

      Final Scores (Deathmatch)

      Marshmallow: Victor

      Mor'du: Dead

      End of story.

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      Eating Marshmallow's head would not kill him. Just look at Olaf, his body remained animated in spite of being separated from the head. The fact remains, Mor'du is mortal and Marshmallow isn't. You can't kill that which was never alive to begin with.

      It's possible Marshmallow's fall was cushioned but unlike Anna and Kristoff, he fell in relatively narrow gap and also had the possiblity of smashing into the cliffsides as he fell. And look, he emerged intact. Mor'du on the other hand, perished when a rock fell on him.

      Yes true but when Olaf's head was still in one peice when it was separated from his body I'm talking about Mor'du eating Marshmallow's head peice by peice and then swalloing it into his stomic (wich is filled with digastive juices) and technically you do have to be alive in order to move and talk and if your alive you will one day die (in terms of life and death that's pretty much a rule for all creaturs). Also I did't see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides when I saw him fall. Also It's not like the menhir that fall on Mor'du was a tiny pebble or anything if you ask me that rock must have weighed at least two tones. Just out of curiosity have you seen the movie Brave (or Wreck it Ralph) yet.
      First, there is no guarantee Marshmallow would die from having his head chewed up to snow flakes. Second, that would mean Mor'du would have to somehow get a grip of Marshmallow's head in the first place, something I'm not sure he'd pull off, especially considering Marshmallow stands much taller than Mor'du. Marshmallow is indeed "alive", but not in the same sense that Mor'du or you and me are "alive". Marshmallow is brought to life through a completely different magical process that could be really hard to explain, but at least we know he's an end product of Elsa's ice-powers' reflections of her fear. By the way, did you know that water (including ice and snow) actually does reflect people's emotions? There's actually been studies on this. Also, we didn't need to see Marshmallow smash into any cliffsides as he fell, it could be assumed considering the location of which he fell. It wouldn't surprise me if Marshmallow would have been able to lift up and throw away that "two-ton pebble" which ended up as the demise of Mor'du. I don't know about Dragonboy6491, but I at least have seen Brave and Wreck-It Ralph, and they're great films, some of my big favourites actually (and it's no wonder really when one of these two films were written by the great writer and co-director of Frozen; a.k.a. Jen Lee).
      If Marshmallow loses his head he can't see, hear or small anymore so how would he even be able to fight Mor'du if he can't know whare Mor'du even is and Mor'du dou't realy have to stop with just the head. He could charge at Marshmallow to knock him down and while Marshmallow is down Mor'du could brake off his good leg and then if he needs to avoid the ice claws (wich I realy don't think would be able to panitrat him anyway) he could use his speed to dart away from the snow monster walk behing Marshmallow while he is trying to pick himself up Mor 'du can carge him from behind whar Marshmallow would have a much harder time swaping at the demon bear with his ice claws and if his ice spikes are out Mor'du can use his strangth and razor sharp claws to brake them of of Marshmallow's back then pin Marshmallow's chasst to the ground and then brake off Marshmallow's arms then eat Marshmallow's head off. Also maby Marshmallow is big (maby a bit bigger then Mor'du, Maby) but Mor'du is still a Realy large Bear so it's not like Marshmallow is dwarfs Mor'du. If we did't see Marshmallow hit any cliff sides on the way down then how can we be sure that he did and just because Marshmallow can toss a tree dous't realy mean he can lift a menhir (wich is probbably heaver) and the menhir (wich remamber was part of an anchant ring of stones) could have had some magic property that could have contributed to Mor'du's death (not saying that happend just a thery I just thout of right know). It may be a close fight but I think Mor'du would win in the end. 
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      We can't really know what happens to Marshmallow if he loses his head, simply because we never observed him losing his head in the film or the consequences that would follow, so that's not really something we can argue upon as of currently. Also, remember that Marshmallow is not alive in the same sense that we are alive, and that his body is not biological and doesn't work quite the same way as ours or that of Mor'du. There is a main difference between these two beasts; Marshmallow is immortal and cannot be killed or destroyed unless removed by Elsa herself or by melting (unless he's still alive in a melted state, something we have yet to observe), but Mor'du is immortal (as he can live for a seemingly unlimited amount of time) but still mortal, as he can be killed by having his internal organs crushed (organs that Marshmallow himself do not have).

      Marshmallow could smash Mor'du into the ground or slam him into a cliff-side with his huge hands as Mor'du is charging at him, and Marshmallow could then go on to either penetrate Mor'du's hide and internal organs with his claws or just crush his internal organs with his feet or hands. Marshmallow could also lift up Mor'du and bite into his internal organs (causing him to bleed to death) and/or throw him over the cliff to a rather certain death. And you must understand that ice is very formidable and deadly overall, a football- or knife-sized piece of ice could even penetrate and/or crush a human skull if falling towards it. Marshmallow's huge ice claws, teeth and spikes are more than sharp and deadly enough to fatally hurt Mor'du, it will slide right through his (in comparison) thin hide and soft organs. I've really been through this concept before.

      Your concept relies on that Mor'du even gets the chance to knock down Marshmallow, and there's no guarantee Marshmallow's gonna let that occur. Also, it's not fair to judge the two characters by their current or recently observed state in each of their respective films, seeing as Mor'du was killed, and Marshmallow lost half his leg. It's not even match, and the battle could never happen in this state, so the fight should be judged from an undisturbed earlier state where Mor'du is still alive and Marshmallow's legs are both intact, and the fight has to take place on The North Mountain because we haven't observed the effects of Marshmallow (as a magical giant snowman brought to life by mysterious powers) leaving this frozen environment for a warmer one.

      Size Marshmallow Mordu

      Marshmallow is also considerably larger than Mor'du, as can be observed in the picture I added to the right in this reply. Mor'du may be an unusually big bear, but Marshmallow most definetely dwarfs Mor'du in comparison.

      Again, I never said we could be sure Marshmallow hit any cliffsides, I just said it could be assumed considering the location of which he fell, below a cliff surrounded by other cliffs.

      Also, I never said Marshmallow could lift a menhir, I just stated it wouldn't surprise me if he could, considering his huge or gigantic size and sheer power.

      Anyhow, you should know by now that I've already placed a rather secure bet on Marshmallow as an evident winner, even though Mor'du may have posed a great or interesting challenge. I salute both monsters as great opponents aswell as two of my favourite fictional characters.

      How on earth would Marshmallow be able to fight Mor'du if he can't see or hear whare the demon bear is and how can he see or hear whare the demon bear is if he losses his head. Also Marshmallow can melt to death (as Olaf almost did when summer cam back before Elsa gave him his flurry). Or Mor'du can just take Marshmallow apart peice by peice leving no single body part intact.

      How can Marshmallow pick up Mor'du or even overpower Mor'du at all if Mor'du is stronger then Marshmallow as evadanced by the fact that Mor'du had vanquashed whole entire armys for decads while Marshmallow was quickly defetad by a small army himself. Also Marshmallow may have formidable claws but his ice teeth are don't seem like their big enought to panitrat Mor'du's hide. Maby a football or knife sized pice of Ice can panatrat a Human skull but Mor'du dou' not have a human skull he has a Demon Bear Skull, If metal weapons that were made to kill could't penatrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him then how can a football sized peice of ice. 

      Ok maby Marshmallow is a bit bigger but only a bit. It's not like a David and Goliath kind of thing their not to diffrant in terms of size and being slightly (remamber not alot bigger only slightly) bigger is not a real advatage, besides their is an old saying "The Bigger they are the Harder thay fall" (no pun intanded cause you know Marshmallow fell down a raven).

      If we did't see Marshmallow hit any cilffsides on the way down then how can we be sure. And how do we even know for sure if Marshmallow can lift a menhir that might have weighed two tons cause being big is't the same as being strong (as I said before). I also thinke their both great and it would be a close fight but I realy think Mor'du would come out on top.

      1. I think it's safe to say Marshmallow's mechanisms for sight and sound is not the same as for biological creatures. Niether Marshmallow or Olaf's bodies would suffer from having their heads removed. You can argue that Mor'du or we humans could niether see or hear if our heads were removed, although our bodies would stop functioning altogether if it happened, but you can't use the same argument on magical creatures like Olaf or Marshmallow, seeing as they possess no internal, biological organs and they do not see and hear in the same sense as you and me, and Mor'du, does.

      2. Marshmallow (aswell as Olaf) can probably melt to death, unless they're still alive only in a melted state.

      3. For Mor'du to take Marshmallow apart "piece by piece and leaving no single body part intact", that would be quite an achievement and would pretty much rely on having Marshmallow just practically standing still and not defending himself at all as Mor'du is going through with this act. It relies on that Marshmallow would even allow Mor'du to come so close to him that he would be able to physically hurt Marshmallow. I'm still holding on to that Marshmallow would not let him pass, and he would either throw Mor'du away or just kill him if necessary. Mor'du would never be able or get the chance to take Marshmallow apart.

      4. First, Mor'du having "vanquished entire armies" of humans doesn't really point as much towards strength as it does towards durability, and it cannot really be compared to a hypothetical battle with Marshmallow, whom is completely different from any army of man. Second, Mor'du is not "stronger" than Marshmallow. To start with, Marshmallow outdoes Mor'du in size, indicating an obvious increase in mass and thus an increase in force-capability. Marshmallow also demonstrates his power as he chases Anna and Kristoff and for example when he rips up a tree (weighing perhaps a few tonnes) from the snowy ground and tosses it high up in the air, and later when he smashes the Dukes guard into a wall of snow. Anyhow, Marshmallow's true power is evident.

      Mor'du is a powerful creature aswell, but standing against Marshmallow could be a certain death-sentence (in a scenario where Mor'du is still alive, that is). Marshmallow wasn't "quickly defeated by a small army", he was defeated by one brave but special man. Really, we can't use the "army-defeating" analogy in a conversation like this, as we're speaking of a battle with Marshmallow against Mor'du, not Mor'du vs. entire armies or Marshmallow vs. one man, as they only confuse the topic. We should focus on Marshmallow vs. Mor'du and nothing else. Anyhow, it should come as no surprise that Marshmallow is both bigger and stronger than Mor'du and would have no trouble overpowering the relentless bear.

      5. Marshmallow's teeth are definetely big and sharp enough to (with the force from his mouth) create fatal bite marks on Mor'du. He could probably take a big chunk of Mor'du's body in his mouth. Mor'du's hide may endure human swords and arrows, but not Marshmallow's icy arsenal.

      6. Ice can penetrate any animal skull once given enough force and velocity, bears are no exception. Mor'du may be more of a demonic creature, but he's still a bear, and his skull would be no exception either. If he can get crushed by a heavy rock, his head can be crushed by a piece of ice.

      7. As I've already gone through before, you can't actually compare man-made metal-weapons against the power of ice. Ice outmatches any man-made weapon.

      8. I've gone through this aswell, Marshmallow and Mor'du have significant differences in size and shape. Being bigger doesn't have to be an advantage, but it definetely can be in some cases.

      9. LET IT GO! The whole idea of Marshmallow having possibly hit cliffsides as he fell was completely hypothetical and a plausible assumption. This is not worth discussing any longer.

      10. Being big can mean either that you're big and strong, or just that you're big. But in Marshmallow's case, he's both large and powerful. We don't know that he can lift a menhir as we haven't observed it yet, but he probably could, especially if he can lift and toss a tree that weighs about two to four tonnes.

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      I still do not believe Mor'du would stand much of a chance against Marshmallow in a deathmatch. They would have given each other a fair fight, but Marshmallow is the evident winner in my eyes, I mean it seems so obvious when you really consider it. Again, take a look at this picture and see if you can reconsider your current viewpoint.
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      I wonder how long the fight would last?

      Depends on who's in charge of the fight, it could really take any number of time before it ends. It could be rather long, or rather short, due to a matter of perception.

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    • Varg2000 wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
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      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?
      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart" it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.
      Respactfluly I will have to disagree with you. Also how do we even know Marshmallow has the strength of a hundred men, cause thous lyrics could have been refuring to the winter or something else. Ice and snow dous't kill bears bers have been known to hunt in show before they start hibernating infact their are bears that love being in snow like Polar Bears. Larger is not always the same thing as stronger, Marshmallow is strong but I would't say he is "one hundred men" strong and it's not like Mor'du is just any avrage bear he was a very strong man who was turned into a bear by the Witch's magic spell (after forsaking family for power). Also remamber Marshmallow lost after fighting one small army (Hans and the Castle Guards to be precise) while Mor'du  defetad his own army with was quit large (after becoming a demon bear) and other armys for canturys after that battle wich (if you ask me) means that Mor'du is eather stronger then Marshmallow or more durable (or most likely both). About that whole "environment" thing Marshmallow lives in the moutans (The Northen Moutain to be exact) and Mor'du live in the moutans (as heard in the Song of Mor'du) So I would't say the environment they live in is so diffrent and Mor'du also romes the forest (wich Marshmallow can't do during warm weather seasons) so if the fight started in the moutans and Mor'du was able to bring the fight down the moutan and into the forest he would survive while Marshmallow would melt. How can Marshmallows claws (that are made of ice) penetrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him when spear heads, arrow heads and Swords (wich are made of Metal) could't also if Furgus sword (and other weapons most likely) can shatter hitting Mor'du then what would keep ice (wich Marshmallow has for claws) from doing the same. Also Mor'du has much more expereance in fighting after battling his brothers (in his human form) and killing people (and armys) for decads and decads and decads while Marshmallow only fought one small army (Hans army) and lost. So I'm sorry but I don't think Marshmallow has alot of advatages if the two fought.
      First, please put spaces in your replies. Second, the lyrics of "Frozen Heart" can refer to anything in the film, including Marshmallow. Winter, ice, snow, water and cold has also been the cause of death for many bears in the Arctic circle (such as polar bears) and only the strongest and most lucky survive. Although rare, they can become a victim of hypothermia (especially if they inherit a certain gene that causes a loss in thickness of its fur and blubber), aswell as starvation (due to the desolate environment they live in) and disease and a lack of suitable habitat. I have watched some great documentaries on this and if I remembered the titles I'd recommend them for you to watch.

      When you say that "size doesn't equal strength", while it's true that it may not be the case all the time, mostly it is. If you have an object that is very large, then it's probably very heavy, and the heavier the object, the stronger the force. Take for example a truck, which is larger and more powerful than, let's say, a family car. This is the same case with Marshmallow (the truck) and Mor'du (the car). One also have to take into account that Marshmallow was able to push aside and pull up large trees and throw them high and far into the air with ease and almost no effort, and this I think is a great demonstration of him (as a creature created out of ice by the powerful Snow Queen herself) having powers "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" (which, if Mor'du only has the strength of approx. ten men, automatically means that he's more powerful than Mor'du) I am perfectly aware that Mor'du is no ordinary bear, but I don't think he would easily be able to do the things that Marshmallow did.

      The only reason Marshmallow lost his first real fight was because he was up against really the only character who could bring down the beast, that is the intelligent, observative, experienced and agile Prince Hans of the Southern Isles, whom with his very sharp sword and skills figured out how to attempt and luckily succeed to bring Marshmallow down But not for good, seeing as while Mor'du was killed, Marshmallow survived. That's also an important point, while Marshmallow is a formidable animated snow monster, Mor'du is a dangerous but mortal creature. You cannot really compare swords, spears and arrows (whom would evidently do little damage to both beasts) to the large, strong and sharp claws and teeth of ice (remember, "stronger than a hundred men!") that Marshmallow posess. The weapons in Marshmallow's arsenal would be more than enough to penetrate (you really need to gain more experience when it comes to how dangerous ice can be, especially while sharp and when you add a little pushing force) the hide of Mor'du and to crush his internal organs (such organs of which Marshmallow do not have).

      Really, the only reason Mor'du wasn't killed by a bunch of barbarian armies is obviously because no one was clever enough to figure out how (Hans, on the other hand, was far more clever and agile, and was presented with the opportunity to bring down the beast) or were even given an opportunity to do so. Also, anyone who has any experience with Marshmallow and Mor'du would know that spears and arrows practically has no effect whatsoever on these beasts. Swords? Perhaps, if the handler is lucky, smart, and skilled enough. I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people (this would also fit the personality of his creator, Elsa, the Snow Queen, seeing as she's not the one who would intentionally kill anyone).

      As it comes to their respective environments, Marshmallow and Mor'du live in two completely different environments, although similar to a certain extent. Whereas Marshmallow is situated in a Scandinavian habitat high up on a huge frozen (no pun intended) mountain of a very high altitude (The North Mountain, as you already stated), Mor'du exists in a deep, dark forest infested with old ruins of past settlements at the edge of the land of Britain. Also, even if Mor'du somehow would succeed to lure Marshmallow down the mountain and entering a warmer climate, there is no guarantee Marshmallow will melt (especially not if during an eternal winter), or that Mor'du would even be clever enough to care to try in the first place. Marshmallow could potentially even survive in a hotter environment in the same sense that Elsa gave Olaf his own personal flurry so that he could experience summer.

      Anyhow, my final verdict is still that Marshmallow would win a fight where he's pitted against Mor'du, and he would really have a great advantage here. Mor'du would pose quite the threat to Elsa, so I think Marshmallow would rapidly dispose of Mor'du. Mor'du isn't very clever or agile anyway, he'd still be a careless monster (due to his curse) who would only attack without any real strategy, and thus an easy battle for the guard of the Ice Palace. Careless monsters will face their demise rather early if encountering Marshmallow, only a charming prince of the Southern Isles has been able to defeat the great threat that Marshmallow makes him up to be for his opponents.

      I don't mean to upset anyone but how do we know the song Frozen heart was refuring to Marshmallow? I know Polar bears have died in the artic circal, I watch documantairys to (on Animal Planet and Nat Geo Wild to be precise) so I know all about  Survival of the Fitist. You said only the strongist survive but the avrage brown bear has the stranth of 5 men but Mor'du has the stranth of ten men so I don't think we need to worrie about wether or not Mor'du is strong enough to survive. Remamber half (if not most) of Marshmallow is made of snow so he may not be exactly as heavy as he seems. Also thous "barbaric" armys Mor'du fought were very powerful and barbaric dou't nasccasaraly mean stupid or anything and along with scottish highlanders Mor'du may have also fought Viking and Romans (cause Young Mucguffin and Wee Dingwall fought thous people), vikangs were barbarians yes but Romans were very intalagent and organized and if Marshmallow was stronger then Mor'du then how come he lost to a small army while Mor'du slew entire armys. Also it did't hit me until just know but that santance you said "'I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people" kinda maks me wonder is Marshmallow realy as dangourus as he appers or is he more made to intimadat rather then fight. About the environments they live in they are not to diffrent Mor'du dou't just rome the dark forest he goes in the moutains cause the Song of Mor'du says "He murders in the mountains and he fights with every Clan, his teeth and jaws have riped the heart of many a highland man", also Mor'du has lived thoue many winters (he has been alive for decads) so I think he knows how to handal cold weather and if he survived for so long then he must have survival skills (not surprising considering he is an animal) so he could be at least a bit claver and you don't led armys (like he did when he was fighting his brothers) by being dumb and I have seen Frozen many times and I never saw Elsa give Marshmallow a personal flurry of his own so he can't survive warm weather without melting. Also Marshmallow (as it says in the persinality section on his page) has some bumbaling edgas wich was shown when Anna and Kristoff outsmarted him by sending a tree into his face wich caused him to fall down on his back and Remamber Marshmallow is disabled (he walks with a limp) and was not very agile to begin with while Mor'du is very fast. Also I think Marshmallow was more protacting the Ice Castle then Elsa to be honast cause when he came back to the castel he did't seem worried that Elsa was't their so if the two did fight I think it would be Mor'du trying to invastigate the castel and Marshmallow trying to drive him off to be honest. 
      Again, please put SPACES in your replies, otherwise it can become hard to read. Also, you're not upsetting anyone, but do I really need to repeat myself? The lyrics of "Frozen Heart" (specifically the sentence of ice having a power "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!") aren't specifically or explicitly refering to Marshmallow, but it can definetely be applied to anything related to ice in the film, and that includes Marshmallow and his great size and power. There's no point in denying it.

      The movie Brave was describing normal bears as having the power of ten men (it didn't specifically mean that Mor'du was the only bear with the power of ten men, it referred to all bears in general), and granted, real bears almost seem to posess such power aswell. I don't know where you got the idea that "average bears have a power of five men".  Anywho, Mor'du is clearly able to survive for a while, but challenging Marshmallow could really be his death sentence.

      The majority of Marshmallow's body is made up of ice, there's no arguing there, but you also gotta realize that an increasing amount of snow can become extremely heavy and able to cause a great deal of damage while adding a pushing force. It's not as if Marshmallow is made of small snowflakes, but he is made up of compact and heavy snow. I guess all I'm saying here is you gotta gain a real perspective on this, on snow and the anatomy of Marshmallow. Because Marshmallow is DEFINETELY as heavy as he seems, denying that would simply be... Well, denial.

      I'm really starting to wonder at what time period the events in Brave actually takes place. Anyhow, first of all we gotta gain some perspectives here, we gotta realize that Mor'du and Marshmallow are two completely different creatures or characters, which can make it hard to compare them. But anyway, I guess the reason Mor'du was never brought down sooner by all those armies was probably because (and I believe I've stated this earlier) the opponents of Mor'du simply didn't have the right equipment or cunning to bring down the beast (but considering Mor'du was only brought down by a "two-ton-pebble" in the age of Merida, I find it rather hard to believe that none of those so-called great armies were able to bring him down much sooner).

      The reason Marshmallow was brought down by one single person, I believe was because that single person (Prince Hans) was clever, brave, agile and cunning enough to bring down the beast. Hans is a bright and skilled soldier, able to make fast and smart decisions, and I believe he could probably come up with a plan to get rid of Mor'du aswell if the opportunity presented itself to the formidable prince. But you must also remember that Marshmallow didn't really lose the battle (well, not in the same sense that Mor'du lost to a large stone), because he survived and showed really no sign of injury other than his chopped-off leg, and it must also be pointed out that Hans barely survived the fight (as Marshmallow almost took Hans with him in the fall). I bet Marshmallow could "slay entire armies" aswell, if he had to or felt the need.

      Is Marshmallow really as dangerous as he appears? Well, who knows? We know he chased Anna and Kristoff off a cliff (something that should be considered dangerous and even deadly) and he also tried to grab on to Hans on the ice-staircase as he was falling down the mountain. Is he really that dangerous? Is it something you'd dare to find out? I don't think so, I think we should consider that his appearance may also speak for how deadly he really may be (even if his intentions weren't to harm or kill people, he is afterall born out of fear and snow, and those two ingredients may not end well together).

      Mor'du may stalk mountains, but not on the same altitude as (or with a permanent frozen environment as) The North Mountain. The North Mountain is constantly covered in snow and ice (due to its elevation) and thus never thaw, and you would definetely not expect it to thaw in an eternal winter weather. I'm also not sure if Mor'du would be able to take such an environment for any longer period of time without any kind of cover from the deep and blinding snow, sharp ice, relentless cliffs, and blood-freezing cold wind and temperature (aswell as a deadly giant snowman and packs of wolves who are adapted to this habitat and who are even able to kill bears and humans). Bottom line, The North Mountain is not a suitable habitat for Mor'du, even if he could visit the location and survive there for a little while, I bet he's tough enough to endure a longer period of time than most bears. At least back in Scotland he had shelter and lots of food, and this is where he belongs. Not on the high and merciless mountain we call, The North Mountain.

      Mor'du does have some experience, but he's overall a mindless beast who doesn't really care about his surroundings, he just attacks and attacks and attacks with sheer power and large and sharp claws and teeth. No, Mor'du's not very clever, at least not on the same level as Merida, Elinor, or Hans. You must also remember that as Mor'du turned into a bear, he lost control over his body due to his curse, and the monstrous bear inside him took over him completely, meaning he cannot make very smart decisions anylonger as he turned a bear (but to be fair, Mor'du didn't seem very smart as a human to begin with). Also, some truly dumb people can lead armies, but the reason he lead the army is because he had fighting experience and hunger, and he was dominant. This doesn't have anything to do with his intelligence. A truly intelligent man doesn't even start a war to begin with.

      You've misunderstood my words. I NEVER said that Elsa gave Marshmallow his own personal flurry, I just pointed out that something similar as a personal flurry that can keep him alive without melting could be used by Marshmallow. But once again, he doesn't need it because he was practically made to guard the castle and it's unlikely that he would even leave the mountain and risk to melt away anyway.

      Two other things that you must bear (no pun intended) in mind here is that (1) we're talking about a fictional scenario where Mor'du is alive and he encounters Marshmallow, which could mean the version of him that does not have a limp as a leg, but the complete Marshmallow, and (2) Marshmallow could have healed himself eventually anyway, so if he somehow would encounter Mor'du, he could be in one whole piece by that time. Marshmallow may not be very agile, but he's not supposed to either, he's supposed to be a big, scary and deadly obstacle that stops people from entering the Ice Palace (initially the Snow Queen's own sister due to the fear she would harm her). But Marshmallow is undoubtedly fast, seeing as he takes giant steps that almost floats in the deep snow, while humans or other creatures may struggle in the snow or get caught and slowed down. Mor'du may be fast and deadly aswell, and in the end he would admittedly pose an interesting opponent, but I still place my bet on Marshmallow and his powerful hands and claws and teeth.

      Remamber the Duke's BodyGuards, If Marshmallow had the strangth of 100 men then he would have killed them when he swiped them with his claws but No they were uninjurd enough (possibly uninjurd at all) to get right up, storm the castle and battle Elsa. Also It did't seem like Brave was describing the bears as haveing the strength of ten men, Mor'du aside it seemd to me like the bears in that movie were not to diffrent then the bears in real life (by the way I saw a documantery once on Nat Geo Wild that said a grizzaly bear had the strenght of five men).

      Marshmallow seems to me like he is mostly made up of snow and compact and heavy or not snow comes apart easaly, what would keep Mor'du from simply swiping clumps of snow of of Marshmallow until thir is not much left of Marshmallow to fight.

      The highlanders were brave, agile and cunning. Take William Wallace for example he was a highlander and he was actuly a claver tacticion. Their are also the Celts thay were savage barbarians and dominated wastern and nothern europe during the iron age but were still civilized people when they were not fighting and were even caditid on the invention of soupe from whai I hear. And remamber Vikings and Romans invaded (as seen by how Lord MacGuffin said his son scutled the viking long suips and how Lord Dingwall said his son fought the Romans) and whos to say they did't encounter and try to kill Mor'du but filled, Viking were barbarians yes but it's not like they were dumb or anything they were briliant explorers and very good at planning tactics and the Romans were smart, organized, good at planning tactics and were great fighters. If Marshmallow was strong enough to bet entire armys like Mor'du did then he should have been able to take care of Hans and the Castle guards esaly but he failed.

      Marshmallow did chase Anna and Kristoff to a cliff and did try to bring Hans down with him but Mor'du (and any monster for that matter) probbably would have done the same if you ask me. Also Mor'du has commited much destruction and murderd many people over the years has tryed to kille someone every time he was seen wich means he has a killer instint but Marshmallow never killed anyone, the only time he tryed was when he tryed to bring Hans down into the gorge with him, he had the opprtonity to harm Anna and Kristoff but instad he just roard at them to not come back.

      Mor'du can handle cold weather cause he had to have been doing that to live  in the wilderness of a northern country like Scotland. He (like most bears) has fur that can help him stay warm and he is all black (dark colors absorb more heat in the sunlight) and I'm sure the highlands of Scotland has cold snowy mountains like the North Mountain. Also the North mountain is surraounded by forests (wich Anna and Kristoff and Sven went throu to get to Elsa's castle on the mountain) so Mor'du could surch the forest for food if he can't find any on the mountain and I don't think the wolfs would be to big a problum for him.

      I would't say Mor'du is "mindless" his page on the pixar wiki he may have intallagance in him because he remamberd Merida from the first time he saw her when she was a wee lasse. Also Mor'du dous have expareance (as we both know). Remamber he (for an unknown motive) had an obsassin with killing Merida and you know how sometimes when some one keeps trying to acheive a gole they start to forget about everything else, I think what probabbly happend was he became so obsassed with killing Merida (again for an unknown reason) that he forgot about everything else. Also bears naturaly are remarkably intallagent animals.

      If Mor'du is't mindless (as I just said above) what would keep him from trying to bring Marshmallow down to a warmer elavation leval knowing Marshmallow was made of snow and if Marshmallow did't have a flurry what would keep him from melting. Also I saw thous Marshmallow vs Mor'du pics above and maby Marshmallow is bit bigger but it dous't look like thier too diffrant in terms of size. And remamber if Arrows, Spears, Swords and other man made metal weapons could't kill Mor'du then how could ice I mean when you think about it you don't see lagandary warriors using ice as weapons instade of iron or steel do you.


      1. Regardless of whether he had the "strength of a hundred men" or not, he really didn't need to put all of his potential force to use when smashing the guards away. He didn't need to kill them, but he only needed to keep them away from the Ice Palace, and Elsa. Bear that in mind. Not to mention they hit a wall of snow (it's not really the same as if they had hit a wall of stone exactly), but they definetely appear to suffer from the blow of Marshmallow's large claws. The fact that they're getting straight up is obviously because they didn't get hurt enough and they were strong enough to endure the pain. Even getting their focus on Elsa could help them ignore the pain. Anyway, if he wished, Marshmallow could very probably have brutally killed every guard.

      2. The strength of bears could have been a bit exaggerated in Brave, but that doesn't change the fact that the phrases "strong as five men" or "strong as ten men" are still the very same type of metaphor to describe the superhuman strength of bears in general, it doesn't really signify that Mor'du specifically was much more powerful than any other bear or that he was the only bear with the "strength of ten men", but merely that bears overall are powerful creatures. Period.

      3. Marshmallow seems to be made up of compact snow and ice, yes, and Mor'du definetely could slice off parts of his body if Marshmallow stood still and didn't care. But here you gotta look at it from a more plausible perspective, Marshmallow would obviously not just stand there and let the bear tear him apart. No, Marshmallow would defend himself, and if Mor'du would aggravate the giant snowman, I think Marshmallow would attempt to end the fight by attacking Mor'du and chasing after him (in case Mor'du would flee). I've been through this before, and the fact that Marshmallow is so huge and compact, has large and sharp teeth and claws of ice, and is able to lift and toss away a large pine tree (with an estimated average weight of two to four tonnes; which was enough to kill Mor'du), I think this is enough to say if Marshmallow would consider Mor'du a real threat, he'd be more than able to kill off the bear or toss him down the mountain. Marshmallow could end up with a few minor scratches, but that's about it. Although I guess we all have our own version of how this fight would end, it's really becoming ridiculous arguing about this.

      4. We also gotta remember that we're talking about two completely different characters from two completely different films with two completely different fictional backgrounds. I must say, it feels a bit odd that a beast such as Mor'du wasn't killed off much earlier while "fighting all of these supposed great armies", but was first killed by a rock while fighting a number of ten to twelve people or so! Hans was cunning and clever, and remember that it was only him that succeeded to defeat Marshmallow. I do not think any person or soldier would be able to defeat him as easily, and again, Marshmallow didn't seek to fight and kill the guards, but merely hold them back from Elsa's Palace, making him hold in his full fighting capacity. I mean, the very reason Hans succeeded to defeat the snowman was because he had a sharp sword along with skills and bravery, and he was also given the right moment to strike.

      5. I must also say that, the moment Marshmallow fell and tried to take Hans with him, I do not believe he intended to kill Hans, but merely stop him from reaching the palace. Marshmallow also reflect his creator's personality to a degree, as Elsa isn't a killer either, she's just trying to have people stay away from her. Mor'du having experience in killing people doesn't really make much of a difference if you were to put these two big beasts against each other.

      6. I do believe Mor'du could potentially survive the cold, harsh environment of the North Mountain, perhaps even fight off the wolf packs that stalk the landscape and snowy slopes of the mountains in the region. But one must bare in mind that (unlike the warmer environment of Scotland and the lower elevation of the fjord where Arendelle is located) summer never arrives at the North Mountain, but this is a winterland all year 'round. It would have been of great difficulty for Mor'du to survive due to food-sources being too scarce, and as a bear he does need food and protein to survive (and endure the drop in temperature) and even be able to keep his strength and occasionally fight off big wolf packs. His black fur would absorb more heat, but that process requires that the sunlight is almost constantly available, whereas the North Mountain would be covered in cloudy darkness and cold snowstorms most of the time. Anyhow, Mor'du could survive on the mountain for a short period of time, but he's adapted to live in a habitat like the highlands of Scotland, not like the North Mountain.

      7. Mor'du is clearly a "mindless" beast who's not precautious, who do not care about his actions or even think them through. There is no indication whatsoever in the film that he remembers Merida, and even if he did, this wouldn't show intelligence, this would show he has a functioning memory. Mor'du was never "obsessed with killing Merida", specifically, he was just attacking anyone that got in his way. Your reasoning in this case do not work. Real bears are intelligent animals, yes, but you can't really say the same about a [fictional] demonic beast such as Mor'du. Though you can see at the end of the film when Mor'du dies that the soul of the human prince that was trapped inside the beast's body forever DID have a mind and showed gratitude that Merida and her people had freed him from his eternal prison inside Mor'du.

      8. But Mor'du IS clearly mindless, thus trying to consider that Mor'du would somehow be smart enough to figure out that heat would melt Marshmallow is far-fetched and very much unlike Mor'du's vicious character.

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      9. Both Mor'du and Marshmallow are really huge creatures, larger than any man or woman at least, but there is a significant difference in size (as seen in another picture in this reply which holds an estimated size-comparison between the two characters).

      10. Ice would not have been a suitable choice of weapon for a human (even though it can be used as a weapon). But Marshmallow is no human, and he is made of ice and snow, and his sheer power combined with the huge ice spikes, claws and teeth that he possess, he woould have been a truly formidable foe and pose a serious threat to anyone or anything. Ice is something completely different from any man-made metal-weapons like arrows, spears or swords. Marshmallow's ice claws are large and sharp, but you also need to combine that with a pushing force to penetrate Mor'du's hide. The swords, spears and arrows that covered Mor'du's body were not powerful enough and lacked sufficient force and velocity to be able to penetrate the beast's internal organs. Marshmallow (with his huge sharp ice claws and powerful arms) would have been more than able to penetrate Mor'du right through his body.

      Final Scores (Deathmatch)

      Marshmallow: Victor

      Mor'du: Dead

      End of story.

      1. When Marshmallow hit the Duke's Guards he was very angrey and when your angry you don't realy hold back. It seemd to me like he hit them as hard as he could and I think that wall of snow had ice in it cause if it was made entirly of snow the whole wall would have come down. Foucusing on Elsa may have been able to help them bear throu but if Marshmallow was as strong as your saying he is thay would have shown some sing of injury but the entire time they were chasing Elsa they did not apper injurd.

      2. Mor'du is obviously stronger then other bears as evadanced by the fact that he was able to battel and hurt Elinor in her bear form (you know before she got that menhir to fall on him) and the strangth of 10 men is stronger then the strenght of 5, I don't think Brave exagurated the strangth of bears realy. Also if Mor'du was not stronger then other bears he would have not been able to defeat thous armys.

      3. Marshmallow would try to defand himself but he is still slow and lacks agility while Mor'du is a fast bear so I think he would be able get in a few good striks also he could knok Marshmallow down to keep attacking him while he's getting up. Also That menhir weighed far more then that tree (wich seemd youg and not very thick).

      4. As I said before that menhir could have hade some sort of magic property that helped contribute to Mor'dus death. I said before the Highlanders were clever as evadance by William Wallace. Also the Cikings and Romans invaded Scotland and the Vikings were good tacticions (acording to an AHC show I saw) and the Romans were organived and very clever and the Highlanders, Viking and Roman armys had skilled swordsmen. If Marshmallow could have beatin that small army he would have.

      5. As I said Mor'du has killer instinct with according to you Marshmallow dou's not have. If Marshmallow is not willing to kill Mor'du then how can he possibly win. Also I think experiance can be very helpfull.

      6. It's not like Mor'du would have to be up the moutain 24/7 he could go down to the warmer forest when he needs a brake from the cold weather and as you sain he could survive up their for a while. Also how long could the fight realy last. Mor'du could just go down to the forest after defeting Marshmallow.

      7. Mor'du's page on the pixar wiki said he might have remamberd Merida. Also intalagent people have good mamorys how else do thay remamber the great knolage thay have learned. Also Mor'du did just attack everyone for no reason he tryed to kill Merida every chance he ever got. When he was attacking Fergus he stopped after Merida shot arrows at him and when Elinor got in between them he still tryed to get to Merida and Afterhe flung Elinor aganst the menhir he stoped attacking her and turnd his attantion back to nobody else but Merida and if he was tryibg to kill Merida so much then he must have been smart enough to know if their was something special about her . Also he had a mind as evadanced by his soul when he died as you said. Besides It's not like Marshmallow is exactly a geneious.

      8. I think you accadently exadurated the size diffrance between the 2 maby Marshmallow is slightly bigger but only slightly it's not like a david and golith king of scanareo.

      9. As I said before If thous metal weapons could not panatrat Mor'du enought to kill then Marshmallow's ice claws would't eather casue metal is more dangurious then ice. As I said before I don't think Marshmallow is much stronger them Mor'du as evadenced by the Dukes's guards and the fact that Mor'du killed entire armys. Also Highlaners were large strong people and vikings were tough as well and their were even special kinds of viking who were called Berserkers who went into battel with the stranght of 10 vikings wich is a lot of pushing force  for a sword or spear.

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      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?
      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart" it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.
      Respactfluly I will have to disagree with you. Also how do we even know Marshmallow has the strength of a hundred men, cause thous lyrics could have been refuring to the winter or something else. Ice and snow dous't kill bears bers have been known to hunt in show before they start hibernating infact their are bears that love being in snow like Polar Bears. Larger is not always the same thing as stronger, Marshmallow is strong but I would't say he is "one hundred men" strong and it's not like Mor'du is just any avrage bear he was a very strong man who was turned into a bear by the Witch's magic spell (after forsaking family for power). Also remamber Marshmallow lost after fighting one small army (Hans and the Castle Guards to be precise) while Mor'du  defetad his own army with was quit large (after becoming a demon bear) and other armys for canturys after that battle wich (if you ask me) means that Mor'du is eather stronger then Marshmallow or more durable (or most likely both). About that whole "environment" thing Marshmallow lives in the moutans (The Northen Moutain to be exact) and Mor'du live in the moutans (as heard in the Song of Mor'du) So I would't say the environment they live in is so diffrent and Mor'du also romes the forest (wich Marshmallow can't do during warm weather seasons) so if the fight started in the moutans and Mor'du was able to bring the fight down the moutan and into the forest he would survive while Marshmallow would melt. How can Marshmallows claws (that are made of ice) penetrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him when spear heads, arrow heads and Swords (wich are made of Metal) could't also if Furgus sword (and other weapons most likely) can shatter hitting Mor'du then what would keep ice (wich Marshmallow has for claws) from doing the same. Also Mor'du has much more expereance in fighting after battling his brothers (in his human form) and killing people (and armys) for decads and decads and decads while Marshmallow only fought one small army (Hans army) and lost. So I'm sorry but I don't think Marshmallow has alot of advatages if the two fought.
      First, please put spaces in your replies. Second, the lyrics of "Frozen Heart" can refer to anything in the film, including Marshmallow. Winter, ice, snow, water and cold has also been the cause of death for many bears in the Arctic circle (such as polar bears) and only the strongest and most lucky survive. Although rare, they can become a victim of hypothermia (especially if they inherit a certain gene that causes a loss in thickness of its fur and blubber), aswell as starvation (due to the desolate environment they live in) and disease and a lack of suitable habitat. I have watched some great documentaries on this and if I remembered the titles I'd recommend them for you to watch.

      When you say that "size doesn't equal strength", while it's true that it may not be the case all the time, mostly it is. If you have an object that is very large, then it's probably very heavy, and the heavier the object, the stronger the force. Take for example a truck, which is larger and more powerful than, let's say, a family car. This is the same case with Marshmallow (the truck) and Mor'du (the car). One also have to take into account that Marshmallow was able to push aside and pull up large trees and throw them high and far into the air with ease and almost no effort, and this I think is a great demonstration of him (as a creature created out of ice by the powerful Snow Queen herself) having powers "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" (which, if Mor'du only has the strength of approx. ten men, automatically means that he's more powerful than Mor'du) I am perfectly aware that Mor'du is no ordinary bear, but I don't think he would easily be able to do the things that Marshmallow did.

      The only reason Marshmallow lost his first real fight was because he was up against really the only character who could bring down the beast, that is the intelligent, observative, experienced and agile Prince Hans of the Southern Isles, whom with his very sharp sword and skills figured out how to attempt and luckily succeed to bring Marshmallow down But not for good, seeing as while Mor'du was killed, Marshmallow survived. That's also an important point, while Marshmallow is a formidable animated snow monster, Mor'du is a dangerous but mortal creature. You cannot really compare swords, spears and arrows (whom would evidently do little damage to both beasts) to the large, strong and sharp claws and teeth of ice (remember, "stronger than a hundred men!") that Marshmallow posess. The weapons in Marshmallow's arsenal would be more than enough to penetrate (you really need to gain more experience when it comes to how dangerous ice can be, especially while sharp and when you add a little pushing force) the hide of Mor'du and to crush his internal organs (such organs of which Marshmallow do not have).

      Really, the only reason Mor'du wasn't killed by a bunch of barbarian armies is obviously because no one was clever enough to figure out how (Hans, on the other hand, was far more clever and agile, and was presented with the opportunity to bring down the beast) or were even given an opportunity to do so. Also, anyone who has any experience with Marshmallow and Mor'du would know that spears and arrows practically has no effect whatsoever on these beasts. Swords? Perhaps, if the handler is lucky, smart, and skilled enough. I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people (this would also fit the personality of his creator, Elsa, the Snow Queen, seeing as she's not the one who would intentionally kill anyone).

      As it comes to their respective environments, Marshmallow and Mor'du live in two completely different environments, although similar to a certain extent. Whereas Marshmallow is situated in a Scandinavian habitat high up on a huge frozen (no pun intended) mountain of a very high altitude (The North Mountain, as you already stated), Mor'du exists in a deep, dark forest infested with old ruins of past settlements at the edge of the land of Britain. Also, even if Mor'du somehow would succeed to lure Marshmallow down the mountain and entering a warmer climate, there is no guarantee Marshmallow will melt (especially not if during an eternal winter), or that Mor'du would even be clever enough to care to try in the first place. Marshmallow could potentially even survive in a hotter environment in the same sense that Elsa gave Olaf his own personal flurry so that he could experience summer.

      Anyhow, my final verdict is still that Marshmallow would win a fight where he's pitted against Mor'du, and he would really have a great advantage here. Mor'du would pose quite the threat to Elsa, so I think Marshmallow would rapidly dispose of Mor'du. Mor'du isn't very clever or agile anyway, he'd still be a careless monster (due to his curse) who would only attack without any real strategy, and thus an easy battle for the guard of the Ice Palace. Careless monsters will face their demise rather early if encountering Marshmallow, only a charming prince of the Southern Isles has been able to defeat the great threat that Marshmallow makes him up to be for his opponents.

      I don't mean to upset anyone but how do we know the song Frozen heart was refuring to Marshmallow? I know Polar bears have died in the artic circal, I watch documantairys to (on Animal Planet and Nat Geo Wild to be precise) so I know all about  Survival of the Fitist. You said only the strongist survive but the avrage brown bear has the stranth of 5 men but Mor'du has the stranth of ten men so I don't think we need to worrie about wether or not Mor'du is strong enough to survive. Remamber half (if not most) of Marshmallow is made of snow so he may not be exactly as heavy as he seems. Also thous "barbaric" armys Mor'du fought were very powerful and barbaric dou't nasccasaraly mean stupid or anything and along with scottish highlanders Mor'du may have also fought Viking and Romans (cause Young Mucguffin and Wee Dingwall fought thous people), vikangs were barbarians yes but Romans were very intalagent and organized and if Marshmallow was stronger then Mor'du then how come he lost to a small army while Mor'du slew entire armys. Also it did't hit me until just know but that santance you said "'I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people" kinda maks me wonder is Marshmallow realy as dangourus as he appers or is he more made to intimadat rather then fight. About the environments they live in they are not to diffrent Mor'du dou't just rome the dark forest he goes in the moutains cause the Song of Mor'du says "He murders in the mountains and he fights with every Clan, his teeth and jaws have riped the heart of many a highland man", also Mor'du has lived thoue many winters (he has been alive for decads) so I think he knows how to handal cold weather and if he survived for so long then he must have survival skills (not surprising considering he is an animal) so he could be at least a bit claver and you don't led armys (like he did when he was fighting his brothers) by being dumb and I have seen Frozen many times and I never saw Elsa give Marshmallow a personal flurry of his own so he can't survive warm weather without melting. Also Marshmallow (as it says in the persinality section on his page) has some bumbaling edgas wich was shown when Anna and Kristoff outsmarted him by sending a tree into his face wich caused him to fall down on his back and Remamber Marshmallow is disabled (he walks with a limp) and was not very agile to begin with while Mor'du is very fast. Also I think Marshmallow was more protacting the Ice Castle then Elsa to be honast cause when he came back to the castel he did't seem worried that Elsa was't their so if the two did fight I think it would be Mor'du trying to invastigate the castel and Marshmallow trying to drive him off to be honest. 
      Again, please put SPACES in your replies, otherwise it can become hard to read. Also, you're not upsetting anyone, but do I really need to repeat myself? The lyrics of "Frozen Heart" (specifically the sentence of ice having a power "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!") aren't specifically or explicitly refering to Marshmallow, but it can definetely be applied to anything related to ice in the film, and that includes Marshmallow and his great size and power. There's no point in denying it.

      The movie Brave was describing normal bears as having the power of ten men (it didn't specifically mean that Mor'du was the only bear with the power of ten men, it referred to all bears in general), and granted, real bears almost seem to posess such power aswell. I don't know where you got the idea that "average bears have a power of five men".  Anywho, Mor'du is clearly able to survive for a while, but challenging Marshmallow could really be his death sentence.

      The majority of Marshmallow's body is made up of ice, there's no arguing there, but you also gotta realize that an increasing amount of snow can become extremely heavy and able to cause a great deal of damage while adding a pushing force. It's not as if Marshmallow is made of small snowflakes, but he is made up of compact and heavy snow. I guess all I'm saying here is you gotta gain a real perspective on this, on snow and the anatomy of Marshmallow. Because Marshmallow is DEFINETELY as heavy as he seems, denying that would simply be... Well, denial.

      I'm really starting to wonder at what time period the events in Brave actually takes place. Anyhow, first of all we gotta gain some perspectives here, we gotta realize that Mor'du and Marshmallow are two completely different creatures or characters, which can make it hard to compare them. But anyway, I guess the reason Mor'du was never brought down sooner by all those armies was probably because (and I believe I've stated this earlier) the opponents of Mor'du simply didn't have the right equipment or cunning to bring down the beast (but considering Mor'du was only brought down by a "two-ton-pebble" in the age of Merida, I find it rather hard to believe that none of those so-called great armies were able to bring him down much sooner).

      The reason Marshmallow was brought down by one single person, I believe was because that single person (Prince Hans) was clever, brave, agile and cunning enough to bring down the beast. Hans is a bright and skilled soldier, able to make fast and smart decisions, and I believe he could probably come up with a plan to get rid of Mor'du aswell if the opportunity presented itself to the formidable prince. But you must also remember that Marshmallow didn't really lose the battle (well, not in the same sense that Mor'du lost to a large stone), because he survived and showed really no sign of injury other than his chopped-off leg, and it must also be pointed out that Hans barely survived the fight (as Marshmallow almost took Hans with him in the fall). I bet Marshmallow could "slay entire armies" aswell, if he had to or felt the need.

      Is Marshmallow really as dangerous as he appears? Well, who knows? We know he chased Anna and Kristoff off a cliff (something that should be considered dangerous and even deadly) and he also tried to grab on to Hans on the ice-staircase as he was falling down the mountain. Is he really that dangerous? Is it something you'd dare to find out? I don't think so, I think we should consider that his appearance may also speak for how deadly he really may be (even if his intentions weren't to harm or kill people, he is afterall born out of fear and snow, and those two ingredients may not end well together).

      Mor'du may stalk mountains, but not on the same altitude as (or with a permanent frozen environment as) The North Mountain. The North Mountain is constantly covered in snow and ice (due to its elevation) and thus never thaw, and you would definetely not expect it to thaw in an eternal winter weather. I'm also not sure if Mor'du would be able to take such an environment for any longer period of time without any kind of cover from the deep and blinding snow, sharp ice, relentless cliffs, and blood-freezing cold wind and temperature (aswell as a deadly giant snowman and packs of wolves who are adapted to this habitat and who are even able to kill bears and humans). Bottom line, The North Mountain is not a suitable habitat for Mor'du, even if he could visit the location and survive there for a little while, I bet he's tough enough to endure a longer period of time than most bears. At least back in Scotland he had shelter and lots of food, and this is where he belongs. Not on the high and merciless mountain we call, The North Mountain.

      Mor'du does have some experience, but he's overall a mindless beast who doesn't really care about his surroundings, he just attacks and attacks and attacks with sheer power and large and sharp claws and teeth. No, Mor'du's not very clever, at least not on the same level as Merida, Elinor, or Hans. You must also remember that as Mor'du turned into a bear, he lost control over his body due to his curse, and the monstrous bear inside him took over him completely, meaning he cannot make very smart decisions anylonger as he turned a bear (but to be fair, Mor'du didn't seem very smart as a human to begin with). Also, some truly dumb people can lead armies, but the reason he lead the army is because he had fighting experience and hunger, and he was dominant. This doesn't have anything to do with his intelligence. A truly intelligent man doesn't even start a war to begin with.

      You've misunderstood my words. I NEVER said that Elsa gave Marshmallow his own personal flurry, I just pointed out that something similar as a personal flurry that can keep him alive without melting could be used by Marshmallow. But once again, he doesn't need it because he was practically made to guard the castle and it's unlikely that he would even leave the mountain and risk to melt away anyway.

      Two other things that you must bear (no pun intended) in mind here is that (1) we're talking about a fictional scenario where Mor'du is alive and he encounters Marshmallow, which could mean the version of him that does not have a limp as a leg, but the complete Marshmallow, and (2) Marshmallow could have healed himself eventually anyway, so if he somehow would encounter Mor'du, he could be in one whole piece by that time. Marshmallow may not be very agile, but he's not supposed to either, he's supposed to be a big, scary and deadly obstacle that stops people from entering the Ice Palace (initially the Snow Queen's own sister due to the fear she would harm her). But Marshmallow is undoubtedly fast, seeing as he takes giant steps that almost floats in the deep snow, while humans or other creatures may struggle in the snow or get caught and slowed down. Mor'du may be fast and deadly aswell, and in the end he would admittedly pose an interesting opponent, but I still place my bet on Marshmallow and his powerful hands and claws and teeth.

      Remamber the Duke's BodyGuards, If Marshmallow had the strangth of 100 men then he would have killed them when he swiped them with his claws but No they were uninjurd enough (possibly uninjurd at all) to get right up, storm the castle and battle Elsa. Also It did't seem like Brave was describing the bears as haveing the strength of ten men, Mor'du aside it seemd to me like the bears in that movie were not to diffrent then the bears in real life (by the way I saw a documantery once on Nat Geo Wild that said a grizzaly bear had the strenght of five men).

      Marshmallow seems to me like he is mostly made up of snow and compact and heavy or not snow comes apart easaly, what would keep Mor'du from simply swiping clumps of snow of of Marshmallow until thir is not much left of Marshmallow to fight.

      The highlanders were brave, agile and cunning. Take William Wallace for example he was a highlander and he was actuly a claver tacticion. Their are also the Celts thay were savage barbarians and dominated wastern and nothern europe during the iron age but were still civilized people when they were not fighting and were even caditid on the invention of soupe from whai I hear. And remamber Vikings and Romans invaded (as seen by how Lord MacGuffin said his son scutled the viking long suips and how Lord Dingwall said his son fought the Romans) and whos to say they did't encounter and try to kill Mor'du but filled, Viking were barbarians yes but it's not like they were dumb or anything they were briliant explorers and very good at planning tactics and the Romans were smart, organized, good at planning tactics and were great fighters. If Marshmallow was strong enough to bet entire armys like Mor'du did then he should have been able to take care of Hans and the Castle guards esaly but he failed.

      Marshmallow did chase Anna and Kristoff to a cliff and did try to bring Hans down with him but Mor'du (and any monster for that matter) probbably would have done the same if you ask me. Also Mor'du has commited much destruction and murderd many people over the years has tryed to kille someone every time he was seen wich means he has a killer instint but Marshmallow never killed anyone, the only time he tryed was when he tryed to bring Hans down into the gorge with him, he had the opprtonity to harm Anna and Kristoff but instad he just roard at them to not come back.

      Mor'du can handle cold weather cause he had to have been doing that to live  in the wilderness of a northern country like Scotland. He (like most bears) has fur that can help him stay warm and he is all black (dark colors absorb more heat in the sunlight) and I'm sure the highlands of Scotland has cold snowy mountains like the North Mountain. Also the North mountain is surraounded by forests (wich Anna and Kristoff and Sven went throu to get to Elsa's castle on the mountain) so Mor'du could surch the forest for food if he can't find any on the mountain and I don't think the wolfs would be to big a problum for him.

      I would't say Mor'du is "mindless" his page on the pixar wiki he may have intallagance in him because he remamberd Merida from the first time he saw her when she was a wee lasse. Also Mor'du dous have expareance (as we both know). Remamber he (for an unknown motive) had an obsassin with killing Merida and you know how sometimes when some one keeps trying to acheive a gole they start to forget about everything else, I think what probabbly happend was he became so obsassed with killing Merida (again for an unknown reason) that he forgot about everything else. Also bears naturaly are remarkably intallagent animals.

      If Mor'du is't mindless (as I just said above) what would keep him from trying to bring Marshmallow down to a warmer elavation leval knowing Marshmallow was made of snow and if Marshmallow did't have a flurry what would keep him from melting. Also I saw thous Marshmallow vs Mor'du pics above and maby Marshmallow is bit bigger but it dous't look like thier too diffrant in terms of size. And remamber if Arrows, Spears, Swords and other man made metal weapons could't kill Mor'du then how could ice I mean when you think about it you don't see lagandary warriors using ice as weapons instade of iron or steel do you.


      1. Regardless of whether he had the "strength of a hundred men" or not, he really didn't need to put all of his potential force to use when smashing the guards away. He didn't need to kill them, but he only needed to keep them away from the Ice Palace, and Elsa. Bear that in mind. Not to mention they hit a wall of snow (it's not really the same as if they had hit a wall of stone exactly), but they definetely appear to suffer from the blow of Marshmallow's large claws. The fact that they're getting straight up is obviously because they didn't get hurt enough and they were strong enough to endure the pain. Even getting their focus on Elsa could help them ignore the pain. Anyway, if he wished, Marshmallow could very probably have brutally killed every guard.

      2. The strength of bears could have been a bit exaggerated in Brave, but that doesn't change the fact that the phrases "strong as five men" or "strong as ten men" are still the very same type of metaphor to describe the superhuman strength of bears in general, it doesn't really signify that Mor'du specifically was much more powerful than any other bear or that he was the only bear with the "strength of ten men", but merely that bears overall are powerful creatures. Period.

      3. Marshmallow seems to be made up of compact snow and ice, yes, and Mor'du definetely could slice off parts of his body if Marshmallow stood still and didn't care. But here you gotta look at it from a more plausible perspective, Marshmallow would obviously not just stand there and let the bear tear him apart. No, Marshmallow would defend himself, and if Mor'du would aggravate the giant snowman, I think Marshmallow would attempt to end the fight by attacking Mor'du and chasing after him (in case Mor'du would flee). I've been through this before, and the fact that Marshmallow is so huge and compact, has large and sharp teeth and claws of ice, and is able to lift and toss away a large pine tree (with an estimated average weight of two to four tonnes; which was enough to kill Mor'du), I think this is enough to say if Marshmallow would consider Mor'du a real threat, he'd be more than able to kill off the bear or toss him down the mountain. Marshmallow could end up with a few minor scratches, but that's about it. Although I guess we all have our own version of how this fight would end, it's really becoming ridiculous arguing about this.

      4. We also gotta remember that we're talking about two completely different characters from two completely different films with two completely different fictional backgrounds. I must say, it feels a bit odd that a beast such as Mor'du wasn't killed off much earlier while "fighting all of these supposed great armies", but was first killed by a rock while fighting a number of ten to twelve people or so! Hans was cunning and clever, and remember that it was only him that succeeded to defeat Marshmallow. I do not think any person or soldier would be able to defeat him as easily, and again, Marshmallow didn't seek to fight and kill the guards, but merely hold them back from Elsa's Palace, making him hold in his full fighting capacity. I mean, the very reason Hans succeeded to defeat the snowman was because he had a sharp sword along with skills and bravery, and he was also given the right moment to strike.

      5. I must also say that, the moment Marshmallow fell and tried to take Hans with him, I do not believe he intended to kill Hans, but merely stop him from reaching the palace. Marshmallow also reflect his creator's personality to a degree, as Elsa isn't a killer either, she's just trying to have people stay away from her. Mor'du having experience in killing people doesn't really make much of a difference if you were to put these two big beasts against each other.

      6. I do believe Mor'du could potentially survive the cold, harsh environment of the North Mountain, perhaps even fight off the wolf packs that stalk the landscape and snowy slopes of the mountains in the region. But one must bare in mind that (unlike the warmer environment of Scotland and the lower elevation of the fjord where Arendelle is located) summer never arrives at the North Mountain, but this is a winterland all year 'round. It would have been of great difficulty for Mor'du to survive due to food-sources being too scarce, and as a bear he does need food and protein to survive (and endure the drop in temperature) and even be able to keep his strength and occasionally fight off big wolf packs. His black fur would absorb more heat, but that process requires that the sunlight is almost constantly available, whereas the North Mountain would be covered in cloudy darkness and cold snowstorms most of the time. Anyhow, Mor'du could survive on the mountain for a short period of time, but he's adapted to live in a habitat like the highlands of Scotland, not like the North Mountain.

      7. Mor'du is clearly a "mindless" beast who's not precautious, who do not care about his actions or even think them through. There is no indication whatsoever in the film that he remembers Merida, and even if he did, this wouldn't show intelligence, this would show he has a functioning memory. Mor'du was never "obsessed with killing Merida", specifically, he was just attacking anyone that got in his way. Your reasoning in this case do not work. Real bears are intelligent animals, yes, but you can't really say the same about a [fictional] demonic beast such as Mor'du. Though you can see at the end of the film when Mor'du dies that the soul of the human prince that was trapped inside the beast's body forever DID have a mind and showed gratitude that Merida and her people had freed him from his eternal prison inside Mor'du.

      8. But Mor'du IS clearly mindless, thus trying to consider that Mor'du would somehow be smart enough to figure out that heat would melt Marshmallow is far-fetched and very much unlike Mor'du's vicious character.

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      9. Both Mor'du and Marshmallow are really huge creatures, larger than any man or woman at least, but there is a significant difference in size (as seen in another picture in this reply which holds an estimated size-comparison between the two characters).

      10. Ice would not have been a suitable choice of weapon for a human (even though it can be used as a weapon). But Marshmallow is no human, and he is made of ice and snow, and his sheer power combined with the huge ice spikes, claws and teeth that he possess, he woould have been a truly formidable foe and pose a serious threat to anyone or anything. Ice is something completely different from any man-made metal-weapons like arrows, spears or swords. Marshmallow's ice claws are large and sharp, but you also need to combine that with a pushing force to penetrate Mor'du's hide. The swords, spears and arrows that covered Mor'du's body were not powerful enough and lacked sufficient force and velocity to be able to penetrate the beast's internal organs. Marshmallow (with his huge sharp ice claws and powerful arms) would have been more than able to penetrate Mor'du right through his body.

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      Marshmallow: Victor

      Mor'du: Dead

      End of story.

      1. When Marshmallow hit the Duke's Guards he was very angrey and when your angry you don't realy hold back. It seemd to me like he hit them as hard as he could and I think that wall of snow had ice in it cause if it was made entirly of snow the whole wall would have come down. Foucusing on Elsa may have been able to help them bear throu but if Marshmallow was as strong as your saying he is thay would have shown some sing of injury but the entire time they were chasing Elsa they did not apper injurd.

      2. Mor'du is obviously stronger then other bears as evadanced by the fact that he was able to battel and hurt Elinor in her bear form (you know before she got that menhir to fall on him) and the strangth of 10 men is stronger then the strenght of 5, I don't think Brave exagurated the strangth of bears realy. Also if Mor'du was not stronger then other bears he would have not been able to defeat thous armys.

      3. Marshmallow would try to defand himself but he is still slow and lacks agility while Mor'du is a fast bear so I think he would be able get in a few good striks also he could knok Marshmallow down to keep attacking him while he's getting up. Also That menhir weighed far more then that tree (wich seemd youg and not very thick).

      4. As I said before that menhir could have hade some sort of magic property that helped contribute to Mor'dus death. I said before the Highlanders were clever as evadance by William Wallace. Also the Cikings and Romans invaded Scotland and the Vikings were good tacticions (acording to an AHC show I saw) and the Romans were organived and very clever and the Highlanders, Viking and Roman armys had skilled swordsmen. If Marshmallow could have beatin that small army he would have.

      5. As I said Mor'du has killer instinct with according to you Marshmallow dou's not have. If Marshmallow is not willing to kill Mor'du then how can he possibly win. Also I think experiance can be very helpfull.

      6. It's not like Mor'du would have to be up the moutain 24/7 he could go down to the warmer forest when he needs a brake from the cold weather and as you sain he could survive up their for a while. Also how long could the fight realy last. Mor'du could just go down to the forest after defeting Marshmallow.

      7. Mor'du's page on the pixar wiki said he might have remamberd Merida. Also intalagent people have good mamorys how else do thay remamber the great knolage thay have learned. Also Mor'du did just attack everyone for no reason he tryed to kill Merida every chance he ever got. When he was attacking Fergus he stopped after Merida shot arrows at him and when Elinor got in between them he still tryed to get to Merida and Afterhe flung Elinor aganst the menhir he stoped attacking her and turnd his attantion back to nobody else but Merida and if he was tryibg to kill Merida so much then he must have been smart enough to know if their was something special about her . Also he had a mind as evadanced by his soul when he died as you said. Besides It's not like Marshmallow is exactly a geneious.

      8. I think you accadently exadurated the size diffrance between the 2 maby Marshmallow is slightly bigger but only slightly it's not like a david and golith king of scanareo.

      9. As I said before If thous metal weapons could not panatrat Mor'du enought to kill then Marshmallow's ice claws would't eather casue metal is more dangurious then ice. As I said before I don't think Marshmallow is much stronger them Mor'du as evadenced by the Dukes's guards and the fact that Mor'du killed entire armys. Also Highlaners were large strong people and vikings were tough as well and their were even special kinds of viking who were called Berserkers who went into battel with the stranght of 10 vikings wich is a lot of pushing force  for a sword or spear.


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      1. He didn't hold back either, he just didn't feel the need to finish them off. You can't really tell if he hit the guards as hard as he could, there's no indication of that at all, and on the contrary, it seemed to me he just lazily slammed them away, as he needed no more. That wall of snow was resting on a cliff, there's no ice in it. Also, if the snow was compact enough, they would just scratch the surface. Look at the image to the right, you mean to tell me they don't show any sign of injury? And again, Marshmallow didn't have to use his full power, that has to be understood. I'm not even sure he's aware of how powerful he really is. Anyway, I'm thinking you're taking this very sequence too seriously, you've gotta think of it more rationally.

      2. Just because Elinor had trouble battling Mor'du doesn't mean he's more powerful than any other bear. We are all aware that Mor'du is extremely powerful, but I'm sure there are other bears who could match his strength. Fiction is commonly known to exaggerate, increasing the power of a fictional bear is no exception. Mor'du is a completely fictional character with a slightly exaggerated strength and behaviour. Again with those armies, I still don't by it that he was able to defeat many great armies and finally lose against a little group of people and a stone. I think that sounds more like in-universe legends than anything else, 'cause Mor'du doesn't live up to the legend. May I also point out we never saw him fight any armies? I believe Mor'du's power and backstory is exaggerated and I don't buy it due to the inconsistensies between Mor'du's actual character and the mythos of him.

      3. Marshmallow is "slow"? I beg to differ. He may seem slow, but look carefully and you'll see that, for example, when he was chasing Anna and Kristoff he took huge steps and almost catched them, the only thing that slowed him down was that Anna slammed a tree in his face. Also considering the guards have to duck from his huge claws shows that he's fast in his moves. But yes, he's not that very agile, but he doesn't need to be. He' already far more powerful than the bear and very steady in his stance. Mor'du could never knock down Marshmallow, as Marshmallow is too big, too powerful, and too steady to allow Mor'du to even get the chance. It wouldn't matter how hard Mor'du would try, he'd still not be powerful or large enough to knock the snowman down. Let's say that menhir weighed about one or two tons, a pine tree of the size depicted in Frozen would likely weigh somewhere between one to two tons (as according to my father's words who commits work in the forest), about the weight of the menhir. How the tree seems to you may give you a false impression of its actual size.

      4. The notion of the menhir posessing some magical property that was necessary to kill Mor'du is a bit far-fetched, as there were no hints at the stone having such powers, and merely speculation. Possible? Sure. Likely? Not exactly. I believe it's perfectly clear that Marshmallow, by his sheer size and power, could defeat all the guards if he seeked to do so (but he only seeked to keep them away from the palace). Even if he intended to finish the guards off, Hans put an early end to it. By the way, I can use the same logic on your support towards Mor'du, as if Mor'du had actually defeated all those great armies and was really capable of such a thing, he would have had no trouble defeating Merida and company (or in your words: If Mor'du could have defeated them, he would have, but he didn't). But he was defeated, even killed, by this small group of people (specifically one individual, Elinor; in Marshmallow's case, this person was Hans). I rest my case. At least Marshmallow survived and wasn't even close to being killed. Think about that for a moment, and tell me if you're still rooting for Mor'du, who lost a battle against Elinor as a bear, do you still think he would survive in a death battle against the great Marshmallow?

      5. And again, a killer instinct is not in Mor'du's favour if battling Marshmallow. In fact, killer instinct would be useless against the giant snowman, as he's not alive in the same sense as Mor'du is alive biologically (thus Marshmallow can't be "killed") and Mor'du has never faced a threat such as Marshmallow before. Marshmallow could throw Mor'du down a cliff, which could kill Mor'du, but Marshmallow may not be aware of that. Although in a death battle, assuming Marshmallow intends to kill Mor'du, then Mor'du would just be impaled by his ice claws or just thrown down a cliff again. To end the battle easily. Experience is helpful, but maybe not in the case of Marshmallow and Mor'du, as those two beasts doesn't care much about their experience or past experience, they just go on to do whatever they've been doing all along.

      6. Yes, Mor'du isn't likely to stay a lifetime on the North Mountain, but he could be there for the short period of time which this battle requires if it were to happen at all. Mor'du could leave the mountain for the warmer habitat of the lower elevations of Arendelle, but that implies he was even able to survive his battle with Marshmallow to begin with, something that he'd probably not do (considering it's a death battle we're talking about), but Marshmallow would have ended Mor'du's life the moment the battle begins. Thus, Mor'du would never leave the mountain, unless he somehow escaped.

      7. Wikia (aswell as Wikipedia) is a site that can be edited by anyone and everyone, and the contents that certain articles include are not trustworthy. You should not believe that Mor'du remembers Merida just because it says so on a Wikia article. It's weak support, that's all I'm saying. Again, yes, intelligence have some ties to memories, but the ability to remember doesn't indicate intelligence. Intelligence is the ability to learn or understand things or to deal with new or difficult situations. Even if Mor'du had a functioning memory, he's not displaying that in his appearances, he just acts like a mindless monster with his only goal in life being to attack and kill everything that comes in his way (and I understand this is part of the prince's curse). Mor'du had a mind, but his mind only worked properly once he was freed from his prison inside the monstrous bear's body. As a bear, he was just a mindless beast. Marshmallow doesn't seem to be a real genius either, I agree, but that doesn't matter as long as he can fight and think, unlike Mor'du who cannot think straight or properly.

      8. I've already been through this several times by now. And yes, this is definetely a David and Goliath-type of scenario. Take a look at the attached images in my replies and compare the sizes of the two characters, there's a significant difference in size. I do not understand your sutbborness in this case. No offense!

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      9. Whether metal "is more dangerous" than ice or not really depends on which situations you're refering to. Metal weaponry definetely can and have penetrated Mor'du's hide, as proved by the fact he has multiple scars over his body and even broken arrows, swords, or spears still jutting out of his back. The difference, in this case, if Marshmallow were to use his ice claws is that (due to their sheer size, being larger than any weapon of metal, and sharpness) they would be able to penetrate right through Mor'du's body. Compare images between the two creatures and you'll see for yourself (consider the image to the right). The obvious will speak for itself. I've already explained how your analogy of "Marshmallow vs. the guards and Mor'du's legend of slaying entire armies" does not work. By the way, I'm feeling this discussion is becoming very repetitive and annoying.
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      Marshmallow and Mor'du have never met and they never will because Mor'du was claverly killed by Queen Elinor in the middle ages and Marshmallow was created by Elsa in the 1780s (or the 1840s wich ever you belive). But if they did meet, WICH MONSTER WOULD VANQUISH THE OTHER?
      First of all, I must note that it's already been confirmed that Frozen takes place in the 1840s. Second, I think Marshmallow would win this fight. Why? Remember that Mor'du has the strength of ten men, while as you may or may not remember in one of the opening songs to Frozen, namely "Frozen Heart" it is stated that the power of ice is "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" Ice and snow is more powerful than a bear, and often ends up killing bears. I must also note that Marshmallow is larger (and probably more powerful) and has huge ice spikes, ice teeth, and ice claws that could severly hurt Mor'du as a he's merely a bear (while bears are powerful, Mor'du significantly, there's always a limit), and Marshmallow lives in an environment that he's adapted to but which I'm not sure would be suitable for Mor'du, perhaps dangerous (even though I think he could manage to survive up there for some time). Bottom line, Marshmallow could penetrate the hide of Mor'du considerably more than swords, spears and arrows, perhaps to the point his vital organs are severly damaged or even crushed, and Marshmallow could then go on to throw him over the cliff of the mountain, and Mor'du will fall to a rather certain death.
      Respactfluly I will have to disagree with you. Also how do we even know Marshmallow has the strength of a hundred men, cause thous lyrics could have been refuring to the winter or something else. Ice and snow dous't kill bears bers have been known to hunt in show before they start hibernating infact their are bears that love being in snow like Polar Bears. Larger is not always the same thing as stronger, Marshmallow is strong but I would't say he is "one hundred men" strong and it's not like Mor'du is just any avrage bear he was a very strong man who was turned into a bear by the Witch's magic spell (after forsaking family for power). Also remamber Marshmallow lost after fighting one small army (Hans and the Castle Guards to be precise) while Mor'du  defetad his own army with was quit large (after becoming a demon bear) and other armys for canturys after that battle wich (if you ask me) means that Mor'du is eather stronger then Marshmallow or more durable (or most likely both). About that whole "environment" thing Marshmallow lives in the moutans (The Northen Moutain to be exact) and Mor'du live in the moutans (as heard in the Song of Mor'du) So I would't say the environment they live in is so diffrent and Mor'du also romes the forest (wich Marshmallow can't do during warm weather seasons) so if the fight started in the moutans and Mor'du was able to bring the fight down the moutan and into the forest he would survive while Marshmallow would melt. How can Marshmallows claws (that are made of ice) penetrate Mor'du's hide enough to kill him when spear heads, arrow heads and Swords (wich are made of Metal) could't also if Furgus sword (and other weapons most likely) can shatter hitting Mor'du then what would keep ice (wich Marshmallow has for claws) from doing the same. Also Mor'du has much more expereance in fighting after battling his brothers (in his human form) and killing people (and armys) for decads and decads and decads while Marshmallow only fought one small army (Hans army) and lost. So I'm sorry but I don't think Marshmallow has alot of advatages if the two fought.
      First, please put spaces in your replies. Second, the lyrics of "Frozen Heart" can refer to anything in the film, including Marshmallow. Winter, ice, snow, water and cold has also been the cause of death for many bears in the Arctic circle (such as polar bears) and only the strongest and most lucky survive. Although rare, they can become a victim of hypothermia (especially if they inherit a certain gene that causes a loss in thickness of its fur and blubber), aswell as starvation (due to the desolate environment they live in) and disease and a lack of suitable habitat. I have watched some great documentaries on this and if I remembered the titles I'd recommend them for you to watch.

      When you say that "size doesn't equal strength", while it's true that it may not be the case all the time, mostly it is. If you have an object that is very large, then it's probably very heavy, and the heavier the object, the stronger the force. Take for example a truck, which is larger and more powerful than, let's say, a family car. This is the same case with Marshmallow (the truck) and Mor'du (the car). One also have to take into account that Marshmallow was able to push aside and pull up large trees and throw them high and far into the air with ease and almost no effort, and this I think is a great demonstration of him (as a creature created out of ice by the powerful Snow Queen herself) having powers "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!" (which, if Mor'du only has the strength of approx. ten men, automatically means that he's more powerful than Mor'du) I am perfectly aware that Mor'du is no ordinary bear, but I don't think he would easily be able to do the things that Marshmallow did.

      The only reason Marshmallow lost his first real fight was because he was up against really the only character who could bring down the beast, that is the intelligent, observative, experienced and agile Prince Hans of the Southern Isles, whom with his very sharp sword and skills figured out how to attempt and luckily succeed to bring Marshmallow down But not for good, seeing as while Mor'du was killed, Marshmallow survived. That's also an important point, while Marshmallow is a formidable animated snow monster, Mor'du is a dangerous but mortal creature. You cannot really compare swords, spears and arrows (whom would evidently do little damage to both beasts) to the large, strong and sharp claws and teeth of ice (remember, "stronger than a hundred men!") that Marshmallow posess. The weapons in Marshmallow's arsenal would be more than enough to penetrate (you really need to gain more experience when it comes to how dangerous ice can be, especially while sharp and when you add a little pushing force) the hide of Mor'du and to crush his internal organs (such organs of which Marshmallow do not have).

      Really, the only reason Mor'du wasn't killed by a bunch of barbarian armies is obviously because no one was clever enough to figure out how (Hans, on the other hand, was far more clever and agile, and was presented with the opportunity to bring down the beast) or were even given an opportunity to do so. Also, anyone who has any experience with Marshmallow and Mor'du would know that spears and arrows practically has no effect whatsoever on these beasts. Swords? Perhaps, if the handler is lucky, smart, and skilled enough. I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people (this would also fit the personality of his creator, Elsa, the Snow Queen, seeing as she's not the one who would intentionally kill anyone).

      As it comes to their respective environments, Marshmallow and Mor'du live in two completely different environments, although similar to a certain extent. Whereas Marshmallow is situated in a Scandinavian habitat high up on a huge frozen (no pun intended) mountain of a very high altitude (The North Mountain, as you already stated), Mor'du exists in a deep, dark forest infested with old ruins of past settlements at the edge of the land of Britain. Also, even if Mor'du somehow would succeed to lure Marshmallow down the mountain and entering a warmer climate, there is no guarantee Marshmallow will melt (especially not if during an eternal winter), or that Mor'du would even be clever enough to care to try in the first place. Marshmallow could potentially even survive in a hotter environment in the same sense that Elsa gave Olaf his own personal flurry so that he could experience summer.

      Anyhow, my final verdict is still that Marshmallow would win a fight where he's pitted against Mor'du, and he would really have a great advantage here. Mor'du would pose quite the threat to Elsa, so I think Marshmallow would rapidly dispose of Mor'du. Mor'du isn't very clever or agile anyway, he'd still be a careless monster (due to his curse) who would only attack without any real strategy, and thus an easy battle for the guard of the Ice Palace. Careless monsters will face their demise rather early if encountering Marshmallow, only a charming prince of the Southern Isles has been able to defeat the great threat that Marshmallow makes him up to be for his opponents.

      I don't mean to upset anyone but how do we know the song Frozen heart was refuring to Marshmallow? I know Polar bears have died in the artic circal, I watch documantairys to (on Animal Planet and Nat Geo Wild to be precise) so I know all about  Survival of the Fitist. You said only the strongist survive but the avrage brown bear has the stranth of 5 men but Mor'du has the stranth of ten men so I don't think we need to worrie about wether or not Mor'du is strong enough to survive. Remamber half (if not most) of Marshmallow is made of snow so he may not be exactly as heavy as he seems. Also thous "barbaric" armys Mor'du fought were very powerful and barbaric dou't nasccasaraly mean stupid or anything and along with scottish highlanders Mor'du may have also fought Viking and Romans (cause Young Mucguffin and Wee Dingwall fought thous people), vikangs were barbarians yes but Romans were very intalagent and organized and if Marshmallow was stronger then Mor'du then how come he lost to a small army while Mor'du slew entire armys. Also it did't hit me until just know but that santance you said "'I also think that Marshmallow wasn't demonstrating his full power while facing Hans and the guards, but it seemed more as if he was trying to scare them away, and he was afterall only trying to protect the Ice Palace from trespassers, and not try to kill people" kinda maks me wonder is Marshmallow realy as dangourus as he appers or is he more made to intimadat rather then fight. About the environments they live in they are not to diffrent Mor'du dou't just rome the dark forest he goes in the moutains cause the Song of Mor'du says "He murders in the mountains and he fights with every Clan, his teeth and jaws have riped the heart of many a highland man", also Mor'du has lived thoue many winters (he has been alive for decads) so I think he knows how to handal cold weather and if he survived for so long then he must have survival skills (not surprising considering he is an animal) so he could be at least a bit claver and you don't led armys (like he did when he was fighting his brothers) by being dumb and I have seen Frozen many times and I never saw Elsa give Marshmallow a personal flurry of his own so he can't survive warm weather without melting. Also Marshmallow (as it says in the persinality section on his page) has some bumbaling edgas wich was shown when Anna and Kristoff outsmarted him by sending a tree into his face wich caused him to fall down on his back and Remamber Marshmallow is disabled (he walks with a limp) and was not very agile to begin with while Mor'du is very fast. Also I think Marshmallow was more protacting the Ice Castle then Elsa to be honast cause when he came back to the castel he did't seem worried that Elsa was't their so if the two did fight I think it would be Mor'du trying to invastigate the castel and Marshmallow trying to drive him off to be honest. 
      Again, please put SPACES in your replies, otherwise it can become hard to read. Also, you're not upsetting anyone, but do I really need to repeat myself? The lyrics of "Frozen Heart" (specifically the sentence of ice having a power "stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men!") aren't specifically or explicitly refering to Marshmallow, but it can definetely be applied to anything related to ice in the film, and that includes Marshmallow and his great size and power. There's no point in denying it.

      The movie Brave was describing normal bears as having the power of ten men (it didn't specifically mean that Mor'du was the only bear with the power of ten men, it referred to all bears in general), and granted, real bears almost seem to posess such power aswell. I don't know where you got the idea that "average bears have a power of five men".  Anywho, Mor'du is clearly able to survive for a while, but challenging Marshmallow could really be his death sentence.

      The majority of Marshmallow's body is made up of ice, there's no arguing there, but you also gotta realize that an increasing amount of snow can become extremely heavy and able to cause a great deal of damage while adding a pushing force. It's not as if Marshmallow is made of small snowflakes, but he is made up of compact and heavy snow. I guess all I'm saying here is you gotta gain a real perspective on this, on snow and the anatomy of Marshmallow. Because Marshmallow is DEFINETELY as heavy as he seems, denying that would simply be... Well, denial.

      I'm really starting to wonder at what time period the events in Brave actually takes place. Anyhow, first of all we gotta gain some perspectives here, we gotta realize that Mor'du and Marshmallow are two completely different creatures or characters, which can make it hard to compare them. But anyway, I guess the reason Mor'du was never brought down sooner by all those armies was probably because (and I believe I've stated this earlier) the opponents of Mor'du simply didn't have the right equipment or cunning to bring down the beast (but considering Mor'du was only brought down by a "two-ton-pebble" in the age of Merida, I find it rather hard to believe that none of those so-called great armies were able to bring him down much sooner).

      The reason Marshmallow was brought down by one single person, I believe was because that single person (Prince Hans) was clever, brave, agile and cunning enough to bring down the beast. Hans is a bright and skilled soldier, able to make fast and smart decisions, and I believe he could probably come up with a plan to get rid of Mor'du aswell if the opportunity presented itself to the formidable prince. But you must also remember that Marshmallow didn't really lose the battle (well, not in the same sense that Mor'du lost to a large stone), because he survived and showed really no sign of injury other than his chopped-off leg, and it must also be pointed out that Hans barely survived the fight (as Marshmallow almost took Hans with him in the fall). I bet Marshmallow could "slay entire armies" aswell, if he had to or felt the need.

      Is Marshmallow really as dangerous as he appears? Well, who knows? We know he chased Anna and Kristoff off a cliff (something that should be considered dangerous and even deadly) and he also tried to grab on to Hans on the ice-staircase as he was falling down the mountain. Is he really that dangerous? Is it something you'd dare to find out? I don't think so, I think we should consider that his appearance may also speak for how deadly he really may be (even if his intentions weren't to harm or kill people, he is afterall born out of fear and snow, and those two ingredients may not end well together).

      Mor'du may stalk mountains, but not on the same altitude as (or with a permanent frozen environment as) The North Mountain. The North Mountain is constantly covered in snow and ice (due to its elevation) and thus never thaw, and you would definetely not expect it to thaw in an eternal winter weather. I'm also not sure if Mor'du would be able to take such an environment for any longer period of time without any kind of cover from the deep and blinding snow, sharp ice, relentless cliffs, and blood-freezing cold wind and temperature (aswell as a deadly giant snowman and packs of wolves who are adapted to this habitat and who are even able to kill bears and humans). Bottom line, The North Mountain is not a suitable habitat for Mor'du, even if he could visit the location and survive there for a little while, I bet he's tough enough to endure a longer period of time than most bears. At least back in Scotland he had shelter and lots of food, and this is where he belongs. Not on the high and merciless mountain we call, The North Mountain.

      Mor'du does have some experience, but he's overall a mindless beast who doesn't really care about his surroundings, he just attacks and attacks and attacks with sheer power and large and sharp claws and teeth. No, Mor'du's not very clever, at least not on the same level as Merida, Elinor, or Hans. You must also remember that as Mor'du turned into a bear, he lost control over his body due to his curse, and the monstrous bear inside him took over him completely, meaning he cannot make very smart decisions anylonger as he turned a bear (but to be fair, Mor'du didn't seem very smart as a human to begin with). Also, some truly dumb people can lead armies, but the reason he lead the army is because he had fighting experience and hunger, and he was dominant. This doesn't have anything to do with his intelligence. A truly intelligent man doesn't even start a war to begin with.

      You've misunderstood my words. I NEVER said that Elsa gave Marshmallow his own personal flurry, I just pointed out that something similar as a personal flurry that can keep him alive without melting could be used by Marshmallow. But once again, he doesn't need it because he was practically made to guard the castle and it's unlikely that he would even leave the mountain and risk to melt away anyway.

      Two other things that you must bear (no pun intended) in mind here is that (1) we're talking about a fictional scenario where Mor'du is alive and he encounters Marshmallow, which could mean the version of him that does not have a limp as a leg, but the complete Marshmallow, and (2) Marshmallow could have healed himself eventually anyway, so if he somehow would encounter Mor'du, he could be in one whole piece by that time. Marshmallow may not be very agile, but he's not supposed to either, he's supposed to be a big, scary and deadly obstacle that stops people from entering the Ice Palace (initially the Snow Queen's own sister due to the fear she would harm her). But Marshmallow is undoubtedly fast, seeing as he takes giant steps that almost floats in the deep snow, while humans or other creatures may struggle in the snow or get caught and slowed down. Mor'du may be fast and deadly aswell, and in the end he would admittedly pose an interesting opponent, but I still place my bet on Marshmallow and his powerful hands and claws and teeth.

      Remamber the Duke's BodyGuards, If Marshmallow had the strangth of 100 men then he would have killed them when he swiped them with his claws but No they were uninjurd enough (possibly uninjurd at all) to get right up, storm the castle and battle Elsa. Also It did't seem like Brave was describing the bears as haveing the strength of ten men, Mor'du aside it seemd to me like the bears in that movie were not to diffrent then the bears in real life (by the way I saw a documantery once on Nat Geo Wild that said a grizzaly bear had the strenght of five men).

      Marshmallow seems to me like he is mostly made up of snow and compact and heavy or not snow comes apart easaly, what would keep Mor'du from simply swiping clumps of snow of of Marshmallow until thir is not much left of Marshmallow to fight.

      The highlanders were brave, agile and cunning. Take William Wallace for example he was a highlander and he was actuly a claver tacticion. Their are also the Celts thay were savage barbarians and dominated wastern and nothern europe during the iron age but were still civilized people when they were not fighting and were even caditid on the invention of soupe from whai I hear. And remamber Vikings and Romans invaded (as seen by how Lord MacGuffin said his son scutled the viking long suips and how Lord Dingwall said his son fought the Romans) and whos to say they did't encounter and try to kill Mor'du but filled, Viking were barbarians yes but it's not like they were dumb or anything they were briliant explorers and very good at planning tactics and the Romans were smart, organized, good at planning tactics and were great fighters. If Marshmallow was strong enough to bet entire armys like Mor'du did then he should have been able to take care of Hans and the Castle guards esaly but he failed.

      Marshmallow did chase Anna and Kristoff to a cliff and did try to bring Hans down with him but Mor'du (and any monster for that matter) probbably would have done the same if you ask me. Also Mor'du has commited much destruction and murderd many people over the years has tryed to kille someone every time he was seen wich means he has a killer instint but Marshmallow never killed anyone, the only time he tryed was when he tryed to bring Hans down into the gorge with him, he had the opprtonity to harm Anna and Kristoff but instad he just roard at them to not come back.

      Mor'du can handle cold weather cause he had to have been doing that to live  in the wilderness of a northern country like Scotland. He (like most bears) has fur that can help him stay warm and he is all black (dark colors absorb more heat in the sunlight) and I'm sure the highlands of Scotland has cold snowy mountains like the North Mountain. Also the North mountain is surraounded by forests (wich Anna and Kristoff and Sven went throu to get to Elsa's castle on the mountain) so Mor'du could surch the forest for food if he can't find any on the mountain and I don't think the wolfs would be to big a problum for him.

      I would't say Mor'du is "mindless" his page on the pixar wiki he may have intallagance in him because he remamberd Merida from the first time he saw her when she was a wee lasse. Also Mor'du dous have expareance (as we both know). Remamber he (for an unknown motive) had an obsassin with killing Merida and you know how sometimes when some one keeps trying to acheive a gole they start to forget about everything else, I think what probabbly happend was he became so obsassed with killing Merida (again for an unknown reason) that he forgot about everything else. Also bears naturaly are remarkably intallagent animals.

      If Mor'du is't mindless (as I just said above) what would keep him from trying to bring Marshmallow down to a warmer elavation leval knowing Marshmallow was made of snow and if Marshmallow did't have a flurry what would keep him from melting. Also I saw thous Marshmallow vs Mor'du pics above and maby Marshmallow is bit bigger but it dous't look like thier too diffrant in terms of size. And remamber if Arrows, Spears, Swords and other man made metal weapons could't kill Mor'du then how could ice I mean when you think about it you don't see lagandary warriors using ice as weapons instade of iron or steel do you.


      1. Regardless of whether he had the "strength of a hundred men" or not, he really didn't need to put all of his potential force to use when smashing the guards away. He didn't need to kill them, but he only needed to keep them away from the Ice Palace, and Elsa. Bear that in mind. Not to mention they hit a wall of snow (it's not really the same as if they had hit a wall of stone exactly), but they definetely appear to suffer from the blow of Marshmallow's large claws. The fact that they're getting straight up is obviously because they didn't get hurt enough and they were strong enough to endure the pain. Even getting their focus on Elsa could help them ignore the pain. Anyway, if he wished, Marshmallow could very probably have brutally killed every guard.

      2. The strength of bears could have been a bit exaggerated in Brave, but that doesn't change the fact that the phrases "strong as five men" or "strong as ten men" are still the very same type of metaphor to describe the superhuman strength of bears in general, it doesn't really signify that Mor'du specifically was much more powerful than any other bear or that he was the only bear with the "strength of ten men", but merely that bears overall are powerful creatures. Period.

      3. Marshmallow seems to be made up of compact snow and ice, yes, and Mor'du definetely could slice off parts of his body if Marshmallow stood still and didn't care. But here you gotta look at it from a more plausible perspective, Marshmallow would obviously not just stand there and let the bear tear him apart. No, Marshmallow would defend himself, and if Mor'du would aggravate the giant snowman, I think Marshmallow would attempt to end the fight by attacking Mor'du and chasing after him (in case Mor'du would flee). I've been through this before, and the fact that Marshmallow is so huge and compact, has large and sharp teeth and claws of ice, and is able to lift and toss away a large pine tree (with an estimated average weight of two to four tonnes; which was enough to kill Mor'du), I think this is enough to say if Marshmallow would consider Mor'du a real threat, he'd be more than able to kill off the bear or toss him down the mountain. Marshmallow could end up with a few minor scratches, but that's about it. Although I guess we all have our own version of how this fight would end, it's really becoming ridiculous arguing about this.

      4. We also gotta remember that we're talking about two completely different characters from two completely different films with two completely different fictional backgrounds. I must say, it feels a bit odd that a beast such as Mor'du wasn't killed off much earlier while "fighting all of these supposed great armies", but was first killed by a rock while fighting a number of ten to twelve people or so! Hans was cunning and clever, and remember that it was only him that succeeded to defeat Marshmallow. I do not think any person or soldier would be able to defeat him as easily, and again, Marshmallow didn't seek to fight and kill the guards, but merely hold them back from Elsa's Palace, making him hold in his full fighting capacity. I mean, the very reason Hans succeeded to defeat the snowman was because he had a sharp sword along with skills and bravery, and he was also given the right moment to strike.

      5. I must also say that, the moment Marshmallow fell and tried to take Hans with him, I do not believe he intended to kill Hans, but merely stop him from reaching the palace. Marshmallow also reflect his creator's personality to a degree, as Elsa isn't a killer either, she's just trying to have people stay away from her. Mor'du having experience in killing people doesn't really make much of a difference if you were to put these two big beasts against each other.

      6. I do believe Mor'du could potentially survive the cold, harsh environment of the North Mountain, perhaps even fight off the wolf packs that stalk the landscape and snowy slopes of the mountains in the region. But one must bare in mind that (unlike the warmer environment of Scotland and the lower elevation of the fjord where Arendelle is located) summer never arrives at the North Mountain, but this is a winterland all year 'round. It would have been of great difficulty for Mor'du to survive due to food-sources being too scarce, and as a bear he does need food and protein to survive (and endure the drop in temperature) and even be able to keep his strength and occasionally fight off big wolf packs. His black fur would absorb more heat, but that process requires that the sunlight is almost constantly available, whereas the North Mountain would be covered in cloudy darkness and cold snowstorms most of the time. Anyhow, Mor'du could survive on the mountain for a short period of time, but he's adapted to live in a habitat like the highlands of Scotland, not like the North Mountain.

      7. Mor'du is clearly a "mindless" beast who's not precautious, who do not care about his actions or even think them through. There is no indication whatsoever in the film that he remembers Merida, and even if he did, this wouldn't show intelligence, this would show he has a functioning memory. Mor'du was never "obsessed with killing Merida", specifically, he was just attacking anyone that got in his way. Your reasoning in this case do not work. Real bears are intelligent animals, yes, but you can't really say the same about a [fictional] demonic beast such as Mor'du. Though you can see at the end of the film when Mor'du dies that the soul of the human prince that was trapped inside the beast's body forever DID have a mind and showed gratitude that Merida and her people had freed him from his eternal prison inside Mor'du.

      8. But Mor'du IS clearly mindless, thus trying to consider that Mor'du would somehow be smart enough to figure out that heat would melt Marshmallow is far-fetched and very much unlike Mor'du's vicious character.

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      9. Both Mor'du and Marshmallow are really huge creatures, larger than any man or woman at least, but there is a significant difference in size (as seen in another picture in this reply which holds an estimated size-comparison between the two characters).

      10. Ice would not have been a suitable choice of weapon for a human (even though it can be used as a weapon). But Marshmallow is no human, and he is made of ice and snow, and his sheer power combined with the huge ice spikes, claws and teeth that he possess, he woould have been a truly formidable foe and pose a serious threat to anyone or anything. Ice is something completely different from any man-made metal-weapons like arrows, spears or swords. Marshmallow's ice claws are large and sharp, but you also need to combine that with a pushing force to penetrate Mor'du's hide. The swords, spears and arrows that covered Mor'du's body were not powerful enough and lacked sufficient force and velocity to be able to penetrate the beast's internal organs. Marshmallow (with his huge sharp ice claws and powerful arms) would have been more than able to penetrate Mor'du right through his body.

      Final Scores (Deathmatch)

      Marshmallow: Victor

      Mor'du: Dead

      End of story.

      1. When Marshmallow hit the Duke's Guards he was very angrey and when your angry you don't realy hold back. It seemd to me like he hit them as hard as he could and I think that wall of snow had ice in it cause if it was made entirly of snow the whole wall would have come down. Foucusing on Elsa may have been able to help them bear throu but if Marshmallow was as strong as your saying he is thay would have shown some sing of injury but the entire time they were chasing Elsa they did not apper injurd.

      2. Mor'du is obviously stronger then other bears as evadanced by the fact that he was able to battel and hurt Elinor in her bear form (you know before she got that menhir to fall on him) and the strangth of 10 men is stronger then the strenght of 5, I don't think Brave exagurated the strangth of bears realy. Also if Mor'du was not stronger then other bears he would have not been able to defeat thous armys.

      3. Marshmallow would try to defand himself but he is still slow and lacks agility while Mor'du is a fast bear so I think he would be able get in a few good striks also he could knok Marshmallow down to keep attacking him while he's getting up. Also That menhir weighed far more then that tree (wich seemd youg and not very thick).

      4. As I said before that menhir could have hade some sort of magic property that helped contribute to Mor'dus death. I said before the Highlanders were clever as evadance by William Wallace. Also the Cikings and Romans invaded Scotland and the Vikings were good tacticions (acording to an AHC show I saw) and the Romans were organived and very clever and the Highlanders, Viking and Roman armys had skilled swordsmen. If Marshmallow could have beatin that small army he would have.

      5. As I said Mor'du has killer instinct with according to you Marshmallow dou's not have. If Marshmallow is not willing to kill Mor'du then how can he possibly win. Also I think experiance can be very helpfull.

      6. It's not like Mor'du would have to be up the moutain 24/7 he could go down to the warmer forest when he needs a brake from the cold weather and as you sain he could survive up their for a while. Also how long could the fight realy last. Mor'du could just go down to the forest after defeting Marshmallow.

      7. Mor'du's page on the pixar wiki said he might have remamberd Merida. Also intalagent people have good mamorys how else do thay remamber the great knolage thay have learned. Also Mor'du did just attack everyone for no reason he tryed to kill Merida every chance he ever got. When he was attacking Fergus he stopped after Merida shot arrows at him and when Elinor got in between them he still tryed to get to Merida and Afterhe flung Elinor aganst the menhir he stoped attacking her and turnd his attantion back to nobody else but Merida and if he was tryibg to kill Merida so much then he must have been smart enough to know if their was something special about her . Also he had a mind as evadanced by his soul when he died as you said. Besides It's not like Marshmallow is exactly a geneious.

      8. I think you accadently exadurated the size diffrance between the 2 maby Marshmallow is slightly bigger but only slightly it's not like a david and golith king of scanareo.

      9. As I said before If thous metal weapons could not panatrat Mor'du enought to kill then Marshmallow's ice claws would't eather casue metal is more dangurious then ice. As I said before I don't think Marshmallow is much stronger them Mor'du as evadenced by the Dukes's guards and the fact that Mor'du killed entire armys. Also Highlaners were large strong people and vikings were tough as well and their were even special kinds of viking who were called Berserkers who went into battel with the stranght of 10 vikings wich is a lot of pushing force  for a sword or spear.


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      1. He didn't hold back either, he just didn't feel the need to finish them off. You can't really tell if he hit the guards as hard as he could, there's no indication of that at all, and on the contrary, it seemed to me he just lazily slammed them away, as he needed no more. That wall of snow was resting on a cliff, there's no ice in it. Also, if the snow was compact enough, they would just scratch the surface. Look at the image to the right, you mean to tell me they don't show any sign of injury? And again, Marshmallow didn't have to use his full power, that has to be understood. I'm not even sure he's aware of how powerful he really is. Anyway, I'm thinking you're taking this very sequence too seriously, you've gotta think of it more rationally.

      2. Just because Elinor had trouble battling Mor'du doesn't mean he's more powerful than any other bear. We are all aware that Mor'du is extremely powerful, but I'm sure there are other bears who could match his strength. Fiction is commonly known to exaggerate, increasing the power of a fictional bear is no exception. Mor'du is a completely fictional character with a slightly exaggerated strength and behaviour. Again with those armies, I still don't by it that he was able to defeat many great armies and finally lose against a little group of people and a stone. I think that sounds more like in-universe legends than anything else, 'cause Mor'du doesn't live up to the legend. May I also point out we never saw him fight any armies? I believe Mor'du's power and backstory is exaggerated and I don't buy it due to the inconsistensies between Mor'du's actual character and the mythos of him.

      3. Marshmallow is "slow"? I beg to differ. He may seem slow, but look carefully and you'll see that, for example, when he was chasing Anna and Kristoff he took huge steps and almost catched them, the only thing that slowed him down was that Anna slammed a tree in his face. Also considering the guards have to duck from his huge claws shows that he's fast in his moves. But yes, he's not that very agile, but he doesn't need to be. He' already far more powerful than the bear and very steady in his stance. Mor'du could never knock down Marshmallow, as Marshmallow is too big, too powerful, and too steady to allow Mor'du to even get the chance. It wouldn't matter how hard Mor'du would try, he'd still not be powerful or large enough to knock the snowman down. Let's say that menhir weighed about one or two tons, a pine tree of the size depicted in Frozen would likely weigh somewhere between one to two tons (as according to my father's words who commits work in the forest), about the weight of the menhir. How the tree seems to you may give you a false impression of its actual size.

      4. The notion of the menhir posessing some magical property that was necessary to kill Mor'du is a bit far-fetched, as there were no hints at the stone having such powers, and merely speculation. Possible? Sure. Likely? Not exactly. I believe it's perfectly clear that Marshmallow, by his sheer size and power, could defeat all the guards if he seeked to do so (but he only seeked to keep them away from the palace). Even if he intended to finish the guards off, Hans put an early end to it. By the way, I can use the same logic on your support towards Mor'du, as if Mor'du had actually defeated all those great armies and was really capable of such a thing, he would have had no trouble defeating Merida and company (or in your words: If Mor'du could have defeated them, he would have, but he didn't). But he was defeated, even killed, by this small group of people (specifically one individual, Elinor; in Marshmallow's case, this person was Hans). I rest my case. At least Marshmallow survived and wasn't even close to being killed. Think about that for a moment, and tell me if you're still rooting for Mor'du, who lost a battle against Elinor as a bear, do you still think he would survive in a death battle against the great Marshmallow?

      5. And again, a killer instinct is not in Mor'du's favour if battling Marshmallow. In fact, killer instinct would be useless against the giant snowman, as he's not alive in the same sense as Mor'du is alive biologically (thus Marshmallow can't be "killed") and Mor'du has never faced a threat such as Marshmallow before. Marshmallow could throw Mor'du down a cliff, which could kill Mor'du, but Marshmallow may not be aware of that. Although in a death battle, assuming Marshmallow intends to kill Mor'du, then Mor'du would just be impaled by his ice claws or just thrown down a cliff again. To end the battle easily. Experience is helpful, but maybe not in the case of Marshmallow and Mor'du, as those two beasts doesn't care much about their experience or past experience, they just go on to do whatever they've been doing all along.

      6. Yes, Mor'du isn't likely to stay a lifetime on the North Mountain, but he could be there for the short period of time which this battle requires if it were to happen at all. Mor'du could leave the mountain for the warmer habitat of the lower elevations of Arendelle, but that implies he was even able to survive his battle with Marshmallow to begin with, something that he'd probably not do (considering it's a death battle we're talking about), but Marshmallow would have ended Mor'du's life the moment the battle begins. Thus, Mor'du would never leave the mountain, unless he somehow escaped.

      7. Wikia (aswell as Wikipedia) is a site that can be edited by anyone and everyone, and the contents that certain articles include are not trustworthy. You should not believe that Mor'du remembers Merida just because it says so on a Wikia article. It's weak support, that's all I'm saying. Again, yes, intelligence have some ties to memories, but the ability to remember doesn't indicate intelligence. Intelligence is the ability to learn or understand things or to deal with new or difficult situations. Even if Mor'du had a functioning memory, he's not displaying that in his appearances, he just acts like a mindless monster with his only goal in life being to attack and kill everything that comes in his way (and I understand this is part of the prince's curse). Mor'du had a mind, but his mind only worked properly once he was freed from his prison inside the monstrous bear's body. As a bear, he was just a mindless beast. Marshmallow doesn't seem to be a real genius either, I agree, but that doesn't matter as long as he can fight and think, unlike Mor'du who cannot think straight or properly.

      8. I've already been through this several times by now. And yes, this is definetely a David and Goliath-type of scenario. Take a look at the attached images in my replies and compare the sizes of the two characters, there's a significant difference in size. I do not understand your sutbborness in this case. No offense!

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      9. Whether metal "is more dangerous" than ice or not really depends on which situations you're refering to. Metal weaponry definetely can and have penetrated Mor'du's hide, as proved by the fact he has multiple scars over his body and even broken arrows, swords, or spears still jutting out of his back. The difference, in this case, if Marshmallow were to use his ice claws is that (due to their sheer size, being larger than any weapon of metal, and sharpness) they would be able to penetrate right through Mor'du's body. Compare images between the two creatures and you'll see for yourself (consider the image to the right). The obvious will speak for itself. I've already explained how your analogy of "Marshmallow vs. the guards and Mor'du's legend of slaying entire armies" does not work. By the way, I'm feeling this discussion is becoming very repetitive and annoying.

      Look I'm sorry it just seems to me like Mor'du would have more advantages if the two ever fought. I know I'm being a bit annoying right know but I just don't see how Marshmallow can win.

      1. Mor'du was able to kill entir armys and Marshmallow was esaly beatin by one small army. Marshmallow is undaoubtably very strong but I would't say he's realy "100 Men Strong".

      2. I don't think they exaggurated the strength of bears and take other bears in the movie their were many bears that were killed by Fergus and Elinor was almost killed by the 4 clans too while Mor'du was able to beat them in just a few seconds and if they were complety unscaved they would have tryed to help Elinor when she and Mor'du fought. Also who says that stone would't hurt Marshmallow it it fell on him.

      3. If and 18 year old woman cold knock Marshmallow down with a small tree then a powerfull demon with the strength of ten men can daffinitly do the same. The tree that Marshmallow throw seemd young (not saying it was as light as a father but it probobly was't as heavy as a full grown pin tree).

      3. I was not saying the menhir did poses magic that helped kill Mor'du I just said it might have. If Marshmallow could have betain thous guards he would have. He most likely would have figurd they were not going to leave without getting into the palace first so if his ultimate goal was to keep them out at any cost then he would have used all his streingth. Elinor was able to bet Mor'du cause she was able to use her strength and outsmart him while Mor;du was too obseased with killing Merida to figur out what Elinor was doing.

      4. If your Alive then you Can Die simpal as that, it the law of life. Besides Marshmallow was killed in Ounce upon a Time. The more likely you are to kill the more likely you will strike the killing blow in a fight to the death. Mor'du is too heavy for Marshmallow to lift much let along throw down a cliff. Also if Mor'du's hid can't be panatrated to deep by iron arrows, spears and swords then that hide can probobly handel claws mad out of ice.

      5. Mor'du was able to handle the cold winters in the mountains in the Scottish Highlands (wich he has been doing for decades) so he can handel the North mountain for a while. Mor'du has many more advatages over Marshmallow so he is more likely to win the fight.

      6. Remamber bears (wich Mor'du is) are intalagent animals. Mor'du is deffinitly smare cause he was able to live in the wilderness for decads. You don't survive in the wild by being mindless and stupid, to live in nature you must be smart to figur out and solve problums. Mor'du only apperd mindless when going after Merida cause he was (for some unknown reason) so obsased with killing her. Besides even if Mor'du was mindless is Marshmallow realy any more intallagent.

      Size Marshmallow Mordu

      They seem close in terms of size.

      7. It's not a David and Goliath kind of situation. From the looks of the first sive comparison picture you maed thay seem to me like their not to diffrant in terms of size.

      8. Yes thous weapons have panatrated Mor'du's hide but not enough to kill him. Also some weapons (like Fergus's sword) have shatterd after hitting Mor'du's hide so what would keep Marshmallow claws from doing the same. When you think about it the fack that thous weapons were smaller may have healped them panatrate deeper. For instance a needal wouls be able to panatrat something deeper then some sharp objact that widens closer to the base slowing it down on the way into the body and thous weapons were harder then Marshmallow's claws cause they were made of metal while Marshmallow's claws are made of ice.

      9. Mor'du (and less powerfull normal bears for that matter) have bone crushing jaws and if Mor'du's jaws can brake bone they can brake ice so Mor'du can bite off Marshmallow's limbs. Also Mor'du is clearly able to defeat entire armys as seen in The Legand of Mor'du when he slew a great many of his army after they turned on him in his bear form.

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    • First, Wolf, you need to stop quoting people. A simple @Whoever will suffice. Otherwise, the posts become EXTREMELY long.

      1. As Varg has already said, we never really see Mor'du take on entire armies. That bit of history is revealed as if it were a legend, which are prone to exaggeration. And if he were able to destroy entire armies, I guess Merida must be like a God because she took down Mor'du with relative ease. I'm not bashing her as a character, in fact she's a fairly good role model for girls, but accomplishing what hundreds of trained warriors couldn't? I just don't see that happening.

      2. You basically just said they exaggerated Mor'du's strength because the other bears were able to be taken down with relative ease. And stone wouldn't hurt Marshmallow; he survived falling off a cliff and managed to get a replacement leg.

      3. I'd say Marshmallow's own weight brought him down. The tree hit him in the face and he started to tumble backwards. Notice, he didn't fall down immediately which would suggest his own mass caused him to fall. Not to mention, he was able to pick up a tree and throw it a considerable distance.

      4. I think you started numbering incorrectly. Anyways, saying might have is no good. It's completely speculation. Granted, this whole argument is based on speculation, but there is literally nothing that suggests the menhir was actually magic, and thus, Mor'du was literally killed by a glorified stone.

      5. Exactly, Marshmallow ISN'T alive. He can't be killed, only stopped. Look at Olaf, he was practically a puddle and restored to complete form. I doubt Mor'du could regenerate to that extent. The fact is, Marshmallow is an enchanted snowman. Also, Once Upon a Time is a poor argument because it IS NOT CANON to Frozen. Even then, Marshmallow didn't die; he was merely stopped. Elsa could easily remake him. The fact she remade him when she arrived in the present shows that much.

      6. It's easy to say he has more advantages but you haven't actually listed them here so I'm discounting this claim. Not to mention, my point still stands. Whereas Marshmallow never was completely defeated, Mor'du met an irrefutably final end ... killed by a mere rock. Sure he can survive the conditions, but can he handle Marshmallow himself?

      7. I think you need to look at the pictures closely. Look at Hans compared to Marshmallow. Marshmallow's knees are bent and Hans still doesn't tower over the snowman's knees. Meanwhile, look at Mor'du. Elinor is clearly at least half his height in that picture while Mor'du is standing COMPLETELY upright. Fact based on logic: Marshmallow is BIGGER.

      8. Bears are not that intelligent. Why do you think so many of them get caught in bear traps when they go hunting for food ... in GARBAGE cans.

      9. Hardness is not a guarantee of toughness. Diamond is the hardest naturally-occurring substance and yet it can shatter pretty easily. And need I remind you the iceberg sliced through the Titanic's METAL hull? I rest my case. And I don't recall seeing Fergus' sword shattering ...

      10. Breaking bone isn't the same as breaking ice. Again, the Titanic was a 50000 TON metal ship traveling at 30 miles per hour and it did not smash through the iceberg. And yet again, what was shown with Mor'du and the armies was easily a LEGEND. The Pixar clip of it even calls it "THE LEGEND OF MOR'DU". And one more point ... look at Marshmallow's replacement leg at the end ... I don't think "breaking" his ice would have long-term effects on him.

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      First, Wolf, you need to stop quoting people. A simple @Whoever will suffice. Otherwise, the posts become EXTREMELY long.

      1. As Varg has already said, we never really see Mor'du take on entire armies. That bit of history is revealed as if it were a legend, which are prone to exaggeration. And if he were able to destroy entire armies, I guess Merida must be like a God because she took down Mor'du with relative ease. I'm not bashing her as a character, in fact she's a fairly good role model for girls, but accomplishing what hundreds of trained warriors couldn't? I just don't see that happening.

      2. You basically just said they exaggerated Mor'du's strength because the other bears were able to be taken down with relative ease. And stone wouldn't hurt Marshmallow; he survived falling off a cliff and managed to get a replacement leg.

      3. I'd say Marshmallow's own weight brought him down. The tree hit him in the face and he started to tumble backwards. Notice, he didn't fall down immediately which would suggest his own mass caused him to fall. Not to mention, he was able to pick up a tree and throw it a considerable distance.

      4. I think you started numbering incorrectly. Anyways, saying might have is no good. It's completely speculation. Granted, this whole argument is based on speculation, but there is literally nothing that suggests the menhir was actually magic, and thus, Mor'du was literally killed by a glorified stone.

      5. Exactly, Marshmallow ISN'T alive. He can't be killed, only stopped. Look at Olaf, he was practically a puddle and restored to complete form. I doubt Mor'du could regenerate to that extent. The fact is, Marshmallow is an enchanted snowman. Also, Once Upon a Time is a poor argument because it IS NOT CANON to Frozen. Even then, Marshmallow didn't die; he was merely stopped. Elsa could easily remake him. The fact she remade him when she arrived in the present shows that much.

      6. It's easy to say he has more advantages but you haven't actually listed them here so I'm discounting this claim. Not to mention, my point still stands. Whereas Marshmallow never was completely defeated, Mor'du met an irrefutably final end ... killed by a mere rock. Sure he can survive the conditions, but can he handle Marshmallow himself?

      7. I think you need to look at the pictures closely. Look at Hans compared to Marshmallow. Marshmallow's knees are bent and Hans still doesn't tower over the snowman's knees. Meanwhile, look at Mor'du. Elinor is clearly at least half his height in that picture while Mor'du is standing COMPLETELY upright. Fact based on logic: Marshmallow is BIGGER.

      8. Bears are not that intelligent. Why do you think so many of them get caught in bear traps when they go hunting for food ... in GARBAGE cans.

      9. Hardness is not a guarantee of toughness. Diamond is the hardest naturally-occurring substance and yet it can shatter pretty easily. And need I remind you the iceberg sliced through the Titanic's METAL hull? I rest my case. And I don't recall seeing Fergus' sword shattering ...

      10. Breaking bone isn't the same as breaking ice. Again, the Titanic was a 50000 TON metal ship traveling at 30 miles per hour and it did not smash through the iceberg. And yet again, what was shown with Mor'du and the armies was easily a LEGEND. The Pixar clip of it even calls it "THE LEGEND OF MOR'DU". And one more point ... look at Marshmallow's replacement leg at the end ... I don't think "breaking" his ice would have long-term effects on him.

      Dragonboy I respect your's and everyone elses opinion and I'll admit it would't be the easyist fight eaither of them had But I still see to much evadance that Mor'du would triomph in the end

      1. We did see Mor'du take on an entire army (his own) after he became a bear in The Legend of Mor'du. It may have been told like a legend but that dous't realy mean it's exaggurated, I once heard that Truth can be stranger then fiction. Also Merida did't realy kill Mor'du her Mother Elinor claverly killed him by getting the very tall and heavey Menhir to fall on him. Althou I do agree with you when you say Merida is a good role model for little girls.

      2. They did exaggurat Mor'du's strenght, he realy has the strainght of 10 men. If all the bears in the movie were as strong and as tough as Mor'du was their would't be any Bear skins in the Castle. How do we even know if Marshmallow would be able to survive that menhir it could have killed him the same way and tecnicly the only reason he survived the fall down the chasum was because their was alot of snow to cushin the fall like when Anna, Kristoff and Olaf fell down the cliff to escape Marshmallow. Also I don't think he got a repacment leg I think he just managed to re attach the old one somehow.

      3. Eaither way Anna and the tree caused Marshmallow to fall down and if Marshmallow is so heavy his weight can make him fall then he is likely to loss, lets imagen this their are two wrastalers one is firm his feet and hard to knock down and the other is wabably, falls down easaly and has a hard time standing on his feet, Whos gonna win.

      4. Yeah I might have numberd incorrectly. I did't say the Menhir was magic I said it could have been, just a theory.

      5. Marshmallow (like Olaf almost did) can melt so if Mor'du lead him down the mountain then he will not survive. Also what if no one, including Elsa, even know of the battel. How can Elsa recreat Marshmallow if she dous't know he is dead. Also If Marshmallow was not alive he would have not been able to chase Anna and Kristoff or fight the Castle guards, If he was a not alive he would have just been standing in one spot like and ice scuptur. It's how life and death work if your alive you can die one day. 

      6. He dou's have more advantages I said them before and I'm listing them again now. Also it was't just some anyday kind of rock that Menhir was huge It could have weight 2 tons easy.

      7. You might need to look more closly at the pics yourself. If you look closly and compare the size of Elinor and Hans it seems like Hans is much shorter then Elinor. It appers to me like the camra is closer to Marshmallow and further from Mor'du wich could give the apperance that Marshmallow is bigger even thou thay are both around the same size. As I said before it's not like David and Golioth.

      8. Bears are intellgent as said hear. getting cought in a trap dous't mean your not smart, Humans are the smartest spices on earth and yet their were steel traps for us their were snare traps for us. Also the reason Bears raid are garbage is because thay have a harder time finding food when we humans come into their habitats and turn them into towns and citys for us.

      9. Mor'du is obviosly tough casue he has been attacked by many many weapons and none of them killed him, it dous't apper any of them even had much affect on him. Fergus sword did shatter on Mor'du's hide as evadanced by Merida when Fergus was telling the story to the triplats Merida interupted and said on swap and the Sword shaterd.

      10. Yes the iceberg cut the metal on the Titanic but not ALL ice is that hard and their is't even evadance that Marshmallow's Ice is that hard it could be the king of ice that when hit on a hard surface brakes esaly, We did't see Marshmallow cut into anyone with his ice claws or the ice spikes on his back. Mor'du did defate his army. Not all Legends are fake. Also the Legend of Mor'du was canon with the movie. If Mor'du brakes off Marshmallow's limbs Marshmallow won't be able to move around let along defand himself from the demon Bear.

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    • Wolf, please stop with the quotes! Just say "@Person"

      Now anyways ...

      1. By definition, legends are stories based on historical fact, but they are not verified and thus, prone to having false information. So yes, that does mean Mor'du's legend is exaggerated. Furthermore, if you watch the sequence, it's completely different animation from Brave's animation, providing heavy implication that it is simply a story. Unless I see Mor'du actually tearing apart armies using the film's animation, I'll treat the legend as exactly what it is, a fabricated story. Secondly, thank you for correcting me with regards to Elinor but I still rest my case. The menhir is a heavy rock but it is STILL JUST THAT ... a rock. A bear being defeated by a rock when WHOLE armies failed ... DOES. NOT. ADD. UP.

      2. I'll tell you how Marshmallow would survive. He cannot die. I don't know how many times Varg and I have said this but Marshmallow isn't alive. He's just an animated pile of snow. We do not know how Marshmallow survived the fall but saying that there was snow down there is purely speculation on your part. I can easily say there wasn't and it'd be speculation as well. And I didn't catch Marshmallow's leg falling down with him, so that discounts your other claim.

      3. Using wrestling is a terrible example. Wrestling has rules. This brawl is an all-out fight to the death. There are no rules and Marshmallow can do whatever he wants. In any case, all you have is legend to substantiate Mor'du's supposed physical strength. Marshmallow on the other hand, threw an entire tree a considerable distance at Kristoff and Anna.

      4. Theory is no good here if there's no evidence to suggest it. As such, I can safely say the menhir IS NOT magic and JUST a rock.

      5. Again, Marshmallow IS NOT alive. Saying Marshmallow can chase people as justification for him being biologically alive is completely flawed. I can make a remote control airplane chase Anna and Kristoff off a mountain, does that mean it's alive? Seriously, Wolf, I don't mind this argument but if you can't substantiate your claims with proper empirical evidence and sound logic, I can't take you seriously. But fair enough, Marshmallow can melt. First off, if you were Marshmallow, would you walk off to follow a bear in complete disregard of your own sensitivity to heat? Marshmallow isn't stupid. So again, poor argument. Secondly, in a testament to his biological needs, Mor'du needs to eat. Marshmallow, as I've said, is not alive, and could starve Mor'du out.

      6. You don't know it weighs two tons. Again just pure speculation.

      7. You're joking right? Hans is easily one of the tallest characters in Frozen and you're saying that Elinor is TALLER than him? I refuse to believe that. Unless you can prove otherwise with a side-by-side comparison, Elinor is NOT taller than Hans. Secondly, the camera is FURTHER from Marshmallow. LOOK at how small all the people in there are. You can say Elinor is taller than Hans ... fine, but taller than ALL the Arendelle guards?! I'm not buying it. In the picture with Mor'du, FERGUS IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA. I don't think I need to be looking at the pictures more closely, it's QUITE the opposite.

      8. All right, animal intelligence is somewhat a subjective area so I'm not going to get too into this. But in any case, you said it yourself. Bears need food. Guess what? Marshmallow doesn't. Hey, what's that I hear? Mor'du STARVING to death.

      9. I asked if we SAW the sword shatter. We heard someone SAY it shattered. Very different. As I've said, legends and stories are not verifiable and thus, poor evidence to support a claim.

      10. I'm going to ignore the legends bit as I've made my point on that clear. Marshmallow never TRIED to cut anyone. The closest he came to actually killing/hurting anyone was when Hans beat him. Every other time, he simply warned them to stay away. And don't bother telling me that I just admitted Marshmallow is physically incapable of killing anyone. ANYTHING that can toss a tree to the extent Marshmallow did has an undeniable amount of strength. And what makes you think Mor'du can break off Marshmallow's limbs? Where's the evidence to suggest he's that strong? I want you to actually find a time-stamp in Brave to showcase Mor'du's supposed strength. And I'm sorry if it comes off as giving you an assignment, but your comments thus far clearly show you will not back up your statements with actual proof.

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      Wolf, please stop with the quotes! Just say "@Person"

      Now anyways ...

      1. By definition, legends are stories based on historical fact, but they are not verified and thus, prone to having false information. So yes, that does mean Mor'du's legend is exaggerated. Furthermore, if you watch the sequence, it's completely different animation from Brave's animation, providing heavy implication that it is simply a story. Unless I see Mor'du actually tearing apart armies using the film's animation, I'll treat the legend as exactly what it is, a fabricated story. Secondly, thank you for correcting me with regards to Elinor but I still rest my case. The menhir is a heavy rock but it is STILL JUST THAT ... a rock. A bear being defeated by a rock when WHOLE armies failed ... DOES. NOT. ADD. UP.

      2. I'll tell you how Marshmallow would survive. He cannot die. I don't know how many times Varg and I have said this but Marshmallow isn't alive. He's just an animated pile of snow. We do not know how Marshmallow survived the fall but saying that there was snow down there is purely speculation on your part. I can easily say there wasn't and it'd be speculation as well. And I didn't catch Marshmallow's leg falling down with him, so that discounts your other claim.

      3. Using wrestling is a terrible example. Wrestling has rules. This brawl is an all-out fight to the death. There are no rules and Marshmallow can do whatever he wants. In any case, all you have is legend to substantiate Mor'du's supposed physical strength. Marshmallow on the other hand, threw an entire tree a considerable distance at Kristoff and Anna.

      4. Theory is no good here if there's no evidence to suggest it. As such, I can safely say the menhir IS NOT magic and JUST a rock.

      5. Again, Marshmallow IS NOT alive. Saying Marshmallow can chase people as justification for him being biologically alive is completely flawed. I can make a remote control airplane chase Anna and Kristoff off a mountain, does that mean it's alive? Seriously, Wolf, I don't mind this argument but if you can't substantiate your claims with proper empirical evidence and sound logic, I can't take you seriously. But fair enough, Marshmallow can melt. First off, if you were Marshmallow, would you walk off to follow a bear in complete disregard of your own sensitivity to heat? Marshmallow isn't stupid. So again, poor argument. Secondly, in a testament to his biological needs, Mor'du needs to eat. Marshmallow, as I've said, is not alive, and could starve Mor'du out.

      6. You don't know it weighs two tons. Again just pure speculation.

      7. You're joking right? Hans is easily one of the tallest characters in Frozen and you're saying that Elinor is TALLER than him? I refuse to believe that. Unless you can prove otherwise with a side-by-side comparison, Elinor is NOT taller than Hans. Secondly, the camera is FURTHER from Marshmallow. LOOK at how small all the people in there are. You can say Elinor is taller than Hans ... fine, but taller than ALL the Arendelle guards?! I'm not buying it. In the picture with Mor'du, FERGUS IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA. I don't think I need to be looking at the pictures more closely, it's QUITE the opposite.

      8. All right, animal intelligence is somewhat a subjective area so I'm not going to get too into this. But in any case, you said it yourself. Bears need food. Guess what? Marshmallow doesn't. Hey, what's that I hear? Mor'du STARVING to death.

      9. I asked if we SAW the sword shatter. We heard someone SAY it shattered. Very different. As I've said, legends and stories are not verifiable and thus, poor evidence to support a claim.

      10. I'm going to ignore the legends bit as I've made my point on that clear. Marshmallow never TRIED to cut anyone. The closest he came to actually killing/hurting anyone was when Hans beat him. Every other time, he simply warned them to stay away. And don't bother telling me that I just admitted Marshmallow is physically incapable of killing anyone. ANYTHING that can toss a tree to the extent Marshmallow did has an undeniable amount of strength. And what makes you think Mor'du can break off Marshmallow's limbs? Where's the evidence to suggest he's that strong? I want you to actually find a time-stamp in Brave to showcase Mor'du's supposed strength. And I'm sorry if it comes off as giving you an assignment, but your comments thus far clearly show you will not back up your statements with actual proof.

      Dragonboy I admit your a smart guy but I think your a bit confused on who has the most advantages.

      1. Not all legands are false (ex Bigfoot, giant squid and other criptids or former cripteds). Just because they used diffrant animation for The Legend of Mor'du dous't mean it's not canon with the movie and it's obviosly true as evadanced by the fact that thier were the skalatons of warriors around the castel ruins when Merida and Elinor found the place after being led there by the Wisps. Also remamber that rock was HUGE, you can't look at the menhir and say it's not very heavy.

      2. Anything that has a mind (intallagent or unintaliagent) is alive and anything that is alive can die. It's not spaculation I know their was snow down at the bottom of that raven cause I saw it there. Marshmallow could have climbed up the cliff, gotten his choped of leg and somehow reatached it.

      3. I know wrastleing has rules I was just using an example. That tree Marshmallow throw seemd young so it's not like it weighed as much as an elaphant it could have been light.

      4. I thout of the magic rock theroy cause the Menhir was part of an achent ring of stones witch could have been used for worship (why else have a ring of stones) not just some randome rock that happend to be there

      5. As I said before Anything that has a mind is alive and he may not be the most intalagent monster around but Marshmallow still has a mind so he is alive. I think I have been telling evadance.Mor'du could keep hiting Marshmallow back to get him to the bottom of the mountain or he could just get Marshmallow to become so foucased on him that Marshmallow forgets about the envirnment (that how Elinor killed Mor'du when he was obsased with killing Merida). Also Marshmallow may not even know he would melt, remamber Olaf's In Summer song, I Olaf did know he could melt why would Marshmallow know.

      6. That stone is very heavy. It's not just about size rock is very dense wich makes it heaver. That stone must weigh over a ton how much could a very big Menhir like that weigh.

      7. I know Hans and the guards are taller then Elinor I was just saying how he LOOKED taller in the pictur to deminstratr the fact the in the photo Mor'du is further from the camra and Marshmallow is closer to the camra wich could give the illusion that Marshmallow is larger when they were around the same size. I know you say it's the opposit but it seems like Mor'du is further to me.

      8. It not like Mor'du has to eat every 12 hours like a shrew. Bears can go a long time without eating, when they hibernat (wich they do for 3 months) thay love off thier body fat alone. Also who said the fight would last for a month or more, Mor'du could bet Marshmallow in one day.

      9. Merida know what Fergus was going to say when he was telling the story wich means he told it multipal times and Fergus would know if or not the sword realy shaterd cause He was their. It's not like Fergus could have heard it wong from someone he was their he witnised it happen.

      10. If Marshmallow will not kill in the battel to the death he will loss. Let say their is a sword fight to the death, one guy is willing to kill and ready to go for a death blow and still defanding and the other is not willing to deal the killing blow and is basicly trying to avoid getting cut, who's more likely to win in the long run? If Mor'du can brake bones then why can't he brake ice. As I said before the evants in the Legand of Mor'du are true as evadanced by the skalatons of soldurs among the castle ruins.

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    • Well my attempts to get you to stop quoting clearly aren't working ...

      Anyways, enough. I've tried my best to substantiate my claims with evidence whereas you just blatantly make statements of pure conjecture. I'm done arguing; instead, I will take what you're saying (the quoted bits) and show you exactly how I see it; warning, there is a lot of sarcasm. Sorry, but I've had it:

      1. "Just because they used different animation, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And also, legends can be true because look at Bigfoot, even though there is no scientific evidence to support its existence." Bad argument because first sentence is simply refuting my claim but not offering any reasoning as to WHY it doesn't mean that. Why would they make the animation different unless they were highlighting the fact that it was a separate, possibly exaggerated story? And as for Bigfoot, I rather sarcastically explained by views regarding that.

      2. "If something has a brain, it's alive, even though dead humans technically still have a brain before fully decomposing. But a dead human still has a mind, therefore it's alive." Bad argument. If you're going to come up with a sweeping generalization that encompasses what is alive and what is not, you need to account for marginal cases.

      3. "The tree looked young even though I have no evidence whatsoever." The age of the tree doesn't matter. Let's see you pick up a tree and throw it as far as Marshmallow did.

      4. "I thought the theory because the rock COULD have been used for worship." Again a lack of evidence. Pure speculation.

      5. See number 2 regarding dead humans' brains. And secondly, "Mor'du can totally hit Marshmallow down a mountain because I said so; it's not like I can name a time in the movie where Mor'du actually displays his strength to compare it to Marshmallow's tree throw. I'm also going to say Marshmallow has no idea he would melt simply because I can." (Actually, the Essential Guide for Frozen says Marshmallow is afraid of fire, so terrible argument aside, your claim is wrong)

      6. Honestly, this point is pretty valid. It's speculative but has strong interpretive evidence to support it. As such, I will properly answer this claim with math. I have no calculator so it's heavily simplified.

      Force = mass*acceleration Force*distance = Work = Energy

      2 metric tons = 2000 kg * 10 m/s^2 = 20000 N of force from the rock. Assume it falls a distance of (I'm going to be generous here) 10 meters. 200000 J of energy KILLS Mor'du.

      Now Marshmallow's fall:

      We have to make a lot of assumptions here. The density of snow differs based on how its packed but judging from Marshmallow's durability, I'd say he has a density equivalent to glacial ice: 830 kg/m^3. And I'll estimate his volume based on length*width*height. Assume Hans is 1.7 meters tall (5 foot 6 inches). Marshmallow is 3.5 Hans tall, 3.5 Hans wide, 1.5 Hans long.

      (3.5 * 1.7)+(3.5*1.7)+(1.5*1.7) ~ 15 m^3 volume for Marshmallow. Now his mass based on density:

      155 m^3 * 830 kg/m^3 ~ 12450 kg

      Marshmallow's fall = 12450 kg * 10 m/s^2 times (assuming Kristoff's predication is accurate 200 feet is about 60 meters) 60 meters = 747000 J of energy.

      Marshmallow SURVIVES. Fair enough, "there was snow." Even so, Marshmallow fell, landing with an energy of nearly four menhirs, and still lived. The snow can only mitigate so much. I did discount the force of air resistance but Marshmallow is made of such compressed snow and ice that he can essentially slice right through air. Where's the math to back up your claims? Marshmallow is more durable.

      Marshmallowfinalform

      Marshmallow says, "This is a CLOSE SHOT ... so I'M EVEN BIGGER!"

      7. "Marshmallow is closer to the camera even though Hans and the guards look like midgets." I don't think you understand perspective. Marshmallow is FARTHER away. This point is just plain wrong, Wolf. Also, if the camera was closer, Marshmallow would appear EVEN BIGGER. He wouldn't even fit on SCREEN. Notice how the Duke's thugs aren't midgets in this picture ... why? BECAUSE IT'S CLOSE UP.

      8. "I say the fight can be over in two seconds." In a fight to the death, anything goes. Marshmallow can make it last a month if he so wishes. "I say Mor'du can beat Marshmallow in a day even though Marshmallow is obviously more durable." See my math.

      9. "If a character says something is true, it must be." Oh, I guess I must have IMAGINED Hans lying to Anna's face about loving her.

      10. "If you aren't aiming to kill, you won't win a battle to the death." I suppose I IMAGINED Batman letting R'as al Ghul FALL to his DEATH. Doesn't work like that Wolf.

      Correct these fallacies in your reasoning and then we can discuss this further. Until then, Marshmallow wins. Again, I apologize for the immense sarcasm, but this argument keeps hitting a wall when you post Wolf.

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    • Um I don't understand thous mathmatical parts (it's late so I'm not going to make this comment to long).

      1. The Disney Fairies franchise and the Petar Pan movies use diffrant animations and thay are canon.

      2. How can anything have a mid of it's own and not be alive.

      3. I think Mor'du would esaly be able to throw the tree if he had oposabel thumbs. Marshmallow was able to thrown the tree and Mor'du is stronger then Marshmallow (Mor'du bet who armys and Marshmallow could't bet one small army).

      4. Who said thous were the only soldurs Mor'du killed. The Legend of Mor'du says he bet his army and thier were the skalatons of warriors so it seems to me like the short was cannon with the movie.

      5. I keep looking at the pic and it still seems to me that Marshmallow is closer to the camria.

      6. From what I saw Marshmallow pretty much disapperd in the snow down that cliff so thier must have been a whole lot of snow to cushin the fall (probbobly alot more snow down that cliff then the one Anna and Kristoff fell down). Also Marshmallow is made of snow wich would serve to cushin the fall for him more.

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    • Again, you fail to use proper evidence. I on the other hand, not only have cited actual parts of Frozen but have also provided empirical proof that Marshmallow is more durable and can take more hits. As such, I will continue what I've been doing: pointing out the flaws of your argument.

      1. Because A is true, B must be true. Wrong. The Disney Fairies franchise may be canon but it is an entirely separate series from Peter Pan. However, The Legend of Mor'du clip was made to accompany Brave. Also, while the animation is different, it remains faithful to the representations of Peter Pan. The Legend of Mor'du on the other hand, looks completely crude and primitive by comparison to its movie counterpart. It is nothing more than a story. You failed to refute my claim earlier and you are still failing to do so.

      2. Okay, my sarcasm on this point seemed to be missed so I will be plain with you. Humans have brains right? Well, a DEAD human ALSO has a brain before it has decomposed. It's not alive, but you say that anything with a mind must be alive. Therefore, your method of classifying an entity as living is invalid.

      3. I refuse to give evidence. It doesn't matter "IF" Mor'du can. You haven't listed a time when Mor'du ACTUALLY displays his strength in comparison to Marshmallow.

      4. The flaw in your reasoning here? Citing The Legend of Mor'du when I have repeatedly repudiated your reasoning behind it. Try a different example to showcase Mor'du's strength. In any case, it STILL makes no sense that a bear who can take on entire armies dies from a ROCK. I don't care how heavy that rock is, a whole army would always be more formidable.

      5. The flaw here? You're simply wrong. I don't want to be mean, but you don't seem to grasp perspective. Sorry to sound blunt, but saying Marshmallow is closer in the shot with Hans and the guards is just WRONG.

      6. I'm just going to give more speculation. Even if we did see snow below, we didn't see how much snow. Besides, I can drop a bomb on a pile of snow, and I don't care how much snow is there, the energy release is massive enough where it won't make a difference. Two humans falling is one thing (I'd do the math for you but you've stated it confuses you so I won't); a giant snowman falling is another.

      Wolf, please treat this more SCIENTIFICALLY and give actual PROOF. Otherwise, your claims are not substantiated and mean nothing. Varg and I on the other hand, have built a body of evidence that indicates Marshmallow wins.

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    • Ok I'm sorry to say this but it just seems to me like Mor'du would have more advantages.

      1. Weather or not it's a seprat franchis or made to accompany the movie dous't realy affect weathor or not it's canon and again thier is evadance in the movie that the evants in the Legend of Mor'du realy happend (like the thrown room in the castel ruins being field with the skaletons of dead warriors). Also I have read diffrant sites about the Legend of Mor'du and thay all say the same thing that it "explors the backround of the villain in the movie" so if you are going to say that the animated short is none canon then your going to have to give a link to a reliabel website that says it is't. Besides their are events in the movie that show Mor'du has the strangth of ten men (like when he esaly bet the Lords, their sons and the other soldurs with just 3 swipes from his paws)

      2. How can something not be alive if it can think or has a mind?

      3. When he killed many of the soldurs in his army or when he swiftly bet the soldurs who tryed to kill him in the climax of Brave.

      4. The menhir could have been magic. I know I know you said thier is no real evadance to support that but remamber it was't just some random bolder that was just their it was a part of an anchint ring of stones and multipal Menhirs (perticulry ones in ovals or circals like in the movie) were often used by anchent people for ceramoneial worship. Also you keep saying that if Mor'du could have killed entire armys then a simple rock should't have been enough to kill him wich kinda means that the Menhir is magic since it was enought to kill the demon bear that killed many of the warriors inhe army and spent centurys slaghtering people in the mountains.

      5. Sorry but it still kinda seems to me like mor'du is a bit farther from the camra in the picture and even if Marshmallow was bigger he would't be gargantuly bigger, Marshmallow at best would only be an inch or two taller and even if he was much bigger that dous't mean he would win. In natur thier are many cases of animals being eaten by smaller animals like Cougers who cathc and kill bull Elk.

      6. When Marshmallow fell he completly dissapeard in the snow and he is a large monster wich means their must have been alot of snow for him to be coverd in down thier. Also a bomb would give off heat from the exposion witch would help disperse the snow but Marshmallow dous't give off heat. 

      7. Metal swords, spears, axes and arrows hardly even affected Mor'du so I don't think that demon is going to be to concernd about claws made of Ice cause metal is stronger and more durabel then ice (as evadanced by  the fact that Hans' sword quickly cut throw Marshmallow's leg).

      8. Also if Fergus sword did't shatter on Mor'du's hide then why would he say that. He should know it was him who fought Mor'du and witnesed what happend.

      I've once again listed evadance as to why I think Mor'du would win in the fight and I have stated many facts with proof. If this is not proper evadance then please expane why.

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      I believe this is a lost cause.

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    • I think you're right Varg :/. But the important thing is, we know Marshmallow would tear Mor'du limb from limb.

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    • Indeed, there's no doubt on that at all!

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    • I don't see how.

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    • I say Marshmellow because if snow and/or is around he could use the snow and/or ice to heal himself in a way and, unlike Mor'du, would not die from being crushed. Like Olaf his limbs can perhaps move on their own and therefore allow Marshmellow to split himself into parts and attack from all sides. Mor'du is strong and has great endurance as well but died from getting crushed by a rock, which Marshmellow could lift with ease and just beat him to pulp with it. Also it depends on knowing the terrain

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