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  • No. They can't do it.


    Hans is a sociopath. He doesn't care about others. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a good guy. If anything, he wants Anna and Elsa dead more than ever. The only three ways I can see him helping them are:


    1. He does it for his own good. Maybe he'll end up betraying them in the end.


    2. They're teaming up to fight a bigger foe.


    3. He received some tough punishment that somehow led him to aiding them.


    But turning him into a genuinely good guy? Nope, never. He's a villain, and that'd be Fanfiction-level unfeasibility.


    What do you think?

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    • I agree with you.

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      There aren't even any plans for a frozen 2 o.O

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    • I don't want a sequel at ALL. It will only spoil the first movie.

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    • no way!

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    • Well, Disney is notorious for low budget run of the mill, sequels for appeasing fans (cough cough Pocahontas 2, Mulan 2) and they usually are bad.  But if Disney were to make a regular movie budget sequel it might turn out better. In any case I'd still watch them.  However, I do not feel Frozen needs a sequel, but I won't turn it down should it hit the dvd rack or big screen.  

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    • AvatarCorin34 wrote:
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      There aren't even any plans for a frozen 2 o.O

      Santino Fontana stated in an interview they were considering making it and they vowed to redeem him, so... Yah.

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:

      Santino Fontana stated in an interview they were considering making it and they vowed to redeem him, so... Yah.

      That still doesn't mean it's in development, that just means they are just thinking about it.

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    • Disney4Disney wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:

      Santino Fontana stated in an interview they were considering making it and they vowed to redeem him, so... Yah.

      That still doesn't mean it's in development, that just means they are just thinking about it.

      I never claimed it was in development. Did I? 

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    • Sorry about that.

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    • It's ok.

      Hugs

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    • I don't see him being redeemed - killed off mabye, but not redeemed.

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    • Casecr wrote:
      I don't see him being redeemed - killed off mabye, but not redeemed.

      Me neither.

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    • That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.

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    • Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      ... Elsa and him will get married.

      Elsa and Hans? I really don't understand how people think this is remotely possible. Keep in mind he attempted to murder her!

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      ... Elsa and him will get married.
      Elsa and Hans? I really don't understand how people think this is remotely possible. Keep in mind he attempted to murder her!

      Maybe, if we should focus on his backstory, there is always a reason why a villain like him would do such thing. And if you looked closely on his face after he's thrown in jail, you could tell that he regreted what he did.

      But seriously, I really don't know if Elsa and Hans will be together becuase except that he'll had a redemption.

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    • Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.

      TOTALLY agree!!! Hans should get redeemed and marry Elsa!!! He should do something heroic for Arendelle to redeem himself, so he and Elsa could be together!!! ;)

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    • Disney4Disney wrote:
      I don't want a sequel at ALL. It will only spoil the first movie.

      Well, they left a few things open, like the source of Elsa's powers, so a sequel may actually support the first movie.

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    • Royalreceiver wrote:
      Disney4Disney wrote:
      I don't want a sequel at ALL. It will only spoil the first movie.
      Well, they left a few things open, like the source of Elsa's powers, so a sequel may actually support the first movie.

      I believe we can live without knowing how Elsa got her powers.

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    • Disney4Disney wrote:
      Royalreceiver wrote:
      Disney4Disney wrote:
      I don't want a sequel at ALL. It will only spoil the first movie.
      Well, they left a few things open, like the source of Elsa's powers, so a sequel may actually support the first movie.
      I believe we can live without knowing how Elsa got her powers.

      Me too.

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.
      TOTALLY agree!!! Hans should get redeemed and marry Elsa!!! He should do something heroic for Arendelle to redeem himself, so he and Elsa could be together!!! ;)

      Hans should never be redeemed, EVER.

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    • I think there will be a new villain too. Hans back for his revenge? Really? Do u think disney will let kids to watch that?

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    • If there was a new villain, it should be the monsterous ogre that I mentioned before. His name is Plarkerus and he could be the one who gave Elsa's powers on purpose and for some reason. He would be a great opponent for Anna and Elsa during the final battle with Hans, Kristoff, Olaf and Sven teaming up with the sisters. But I would like to see Anna defeat Plarkerus on her own.

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    • I think Hans might get revenge on Anna someday and so will the Duke of Weasil town.

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    • We would like to just see a New Villain for Frozen 2 and maybe Light Themed like Hans

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    • Disney4Disney wrote:
      Royalreceiver wrote:
      Disney4Disney wrote:
      I don't want a sequel at ALL. It will only spoil the first movie.
      Well, they left a few things open, like the source of Elsa's powers, so a sequel may actually support the first movie.
      I believe we can live without knowing how Elsa got her powers.

      But some people will get confuse why Elsa had powers but Anna doesn't

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    • Nelokles wrote:
      We would like to just see a New Villain for Frozen 2 and maybe Light Themed like Hans

      Well that would be a good idea.

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    • Speaking of villains, maybe the villian in Frozen 2 might be a light themed chacter just like what Nelokles wrote. What if the villain was Dylan, The Snow King. This guy, by the way, is whom fans believed to be Elsa's love interest in Frozen 2. And I think he might be the one who gave Elsa some ice powers as a "curse" and the reason is because he is jealous or something that made did it. And after he knew that Elsa could handle her powers, Dylan went mad, and so, there would be a fight between the antagonist and the protagonist.


      I also include Hans' redemption in my prediction because just like what I said, he is guilty of what he did, and during the fight, he would prove himself that he is sorry by saving/helping Elsa. Thus, this makes him her possible love interest.


      Don't get me wrong, this is just my prediction 

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.

      TOTALLY agree!!! Hans should get redeemed and marry Elsa!!! He should do something heroic for Arendelle to redeem himself, so he and Elsa could be together!!! ;)

      That I would like to see.

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    • sociopaths do not redeem, they do not reform and they never feel remorse.

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    • Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.

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    • Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.

      you are absalutly right.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.
      TOTALLY agree!!! Hans should get redeemed and marry Elsa!!! He should do something heroic for Arendelle to redeem himself, so he and Elsa could be together!!! ;)
      Hans should never be redeemed, EVER.

      Hans should INDEED get redeemed!!!!!!!! You're literally too young or too stupid, if you don't want Hans to get redeemed and be with Elsa, since you never undrstood the meaning of the movie... So yeah, Hans DOES need a second chance....

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.

      why are you so against him?

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.
      TOTALLY agree!!! Hans should get redeemed and marry Elsa!!! He should do something heroic for Arendelle to redeem himself, so he and Elsa could be together!!! ;)
      Hans should never be redeemed, EVER.
      Hans should INDEED get redeemed!!!!!!!! You're literally too young or too stupid, if you don't want Hans to get redeemed and be with Elsa, since you never undrstood the meaning of the movie... So yeah, Hans DOES need a second chance....

      you can say that again

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    • Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.
      TOTALLY agree!!! Hans should get redeemed and marry Elsa!!! He should do something heroic for Arendelle to redeem himself, so he and Elsa could be together!!! ;)
      Hans should never be redeemed, EVER.
      Hans should INDEED get redeemed!!!!!!!! You're literally too young or too stupid, if you don't want Hans to get redeemed and be with Elsa, since you never undrstood the meaning of the movie... So yeah, Hans DOES need a second chance....
      you can say that again

      thanks!!! Finally someone who understands!!!! ;)

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.
      TOTALLY agree!!! Hans should get redeemed and marry Elsa!!! He should do something heroic for Arendelle to redeem himself, so he and Elsa could be together!!! ;)
      Hans should never be redeemed, EVER.
      Hans should INDEED get redeemed!!!!!!!! You're literally too young or too stupid, if you don't want Hans to get redeemed and be with Elsa, since you never undrstood the meaning of the movie... So yeah, Hans DOES need a second chance....
      you can say that again
      thanks!!! Finally someone who understands!!!! ;)

      No problem! ;) besides, you made a good point since I understood that a sinful person like him could be a saint.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.


      Thank you and Further more, he is a compete liar and a traitor

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    • Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.
      why are you so against him?

      I'm not exactly aganst Hans I'm just getting tired of people trying to make him seem like a "good" and "misunderstood" guy when he manipulated Anna, left her to die told Elsa the Anna was already dead because of her and tryed to kill her. Come on already people Hans is a sociopath who tryed to kill both the sisters just so he can rule Arendelle why on earth would you want him to redeem.

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    • Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.
      TOTALLY agree!!! Hans should get redeemed and marry Elsa!!! He should do something heroic for Arendelle to redeem himself, so he and Elsa could be together!!! ;)
      Hans should never be redeemed, EVER.
      Hans should INDEED get redeemed!!!!!!!! You're literally too young or too stupid, if you don't want Hans to get redeemed and be with Elsa, since you never undrstood the meaning of the movie... So yeah, Hans DOES need a second chance....
      you can say that again
      thanks!!! Finally someone who understands!!!! ;)
      No problem! ;) besides, you made a good point since I understood that a sinful person like him could be a saint.

      Not all sinfull people are capable of becomeing saints some (like Hans) are just sinfull for now and forever.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.
      TOTALLY agree!!! Hans should get redeemed and marry Elsa!!! He should do something heroic for Arendelle to redeem himself, so he and Elsa could be together!!! ;)
      Hans should never be redeemed, EVER.
      Hans should INDEED get redeemed!!!!!!!! You're literally too young or too stupid, if you don't want Hans to get redeemed and be with Elsa, since you never undrstood the meaning of the movie... So yeah, Hans DOES need a second chance....
      you can say that again
      thanks!!! Finally someone who understands!!!! ;)
      No problem! ;) besides, you made a good point since I understood that a sinful person like him could be a saint.
      Not all sinfull people are capable of becomeing saints some (like Hans) are just sinfull for now and forever.

      Yeah keep dreaming that... Hans is like the only Disney Villain that deserves to get redeemed... He's not Maleficent, Ursula, Jafar, Scar or Mother Gothel and all those villains i've mentioned are bad just because they're bad.. On the other hand, Hans has a fully detailed back story about his motives and actions... I'm not saying he's good, i'm just saying that he is bad not by choice, but because he's biased, trying to prove to his family that he's capable of doing great things... And he's definitely not a sociopath, since he never killed anyone, even though he tried to... Learn what sociopath means... He's not arrogant, merciless or blood-thirsty.. If he had found out another way to become King, without manipulating Elsa and Anna, he would have done it, unlike Maleficent, Ursula, Jafar, Scar, who are just plain evil... So yeah, he should DEFINITELY get redeemed in a Frozen sequel and pair up with Elsa... That would be the best, nuff said...

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.
      why are you so against him?
      I'm not exactly aganst Hans I'm just getting tired of people trying to make him seem like a "good" and "misunderstood" guy when he manipulated Anna, left her to die told Elsa the Anna was already dead because of her and tryed to kill her. Come on already people Hans is a sociopath who tryed to kill both the sisters just so he can rule Arendelle why on earth would you want him to redeem.

      To learn a new leson that if a person commits a big or biggest mistake, he'll learn something. and of course would feel very sorry. and the person who is victimize must learn to forgive him and get over the past. it may take a long time but it's worth doing so.

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    • Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.
      why are you so against him?
      I'm not exactly aganst Hans I'm just getting tired of people trying to make him seem like a "good" and "misunderstood" guy when he manipulated Anna, left her to die told Elsa the Anna was already dead because of her and tryed to kill her. Come on already people Hans is a sociopath who tryed to kill both the sisters just so he can rule Arendelle why on earth would you want him to redeem.
      To learn a new leson that if a person commits a big or biggest mistake, he'll learn something. and of course would feel very sorry. and the person who is victimize must learn to forgive him and get over the past. it may take a long time but it's worth doing so.

      You're absolutely right!!! Thank you!!! ;)

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    • I think that Hans being redeemed would send the message that it's never to late to do the right thing, forgiveness, etc. That being said, I would like to see a NEW guy as a love interest for Elsa as opposed to a reformed Hans.

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    • GracietheDancer wrote:
      I think that Hans being redeemed would send the message that it's never to late to do the right thing, forgiveness, etc. That being said, I would like to see a NEW guy as a love interest for Elsa as opposed to a reformed Hans.

      Exactly!!! :D

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    • GracietheDancer wrote:
      I think that Hans being redeemed would send the message that it's never to late to do the right thing, forgiveness, etc. That being said, I would like to see a NEW guy as a love interest for Elsa as opposed to a reformed Hans.

      I dunno... i think Hans matches PERFECTLY with Elsa!!!!! They're both like the black sheeps of their family, so that would make it easier to pair up together in a sequel, IF Disney decides to make one!!!! But sure, whatever, if Elsa is to get a love interest in the sequel, I'll take it!!! :D

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    • The thing is, Hans is arrogant and merciless. Please, tell me: Did he do ANYTHING post-reveal that made him seem good in any way whatsoever?

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      The thing is, Hans is arrogant and merciless. Please, tell me: Did he do ANYTHING post-reveal that made him seem good in any way whatsoever?


      He's right

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      The thing is, Hans is arrogant and merciless. Please, tell me: Did he do ANYTHING post-reveal that made him seem good in any way whatsoever?

      Idon't think so it seemed to me like every thing he did was to gain people's trust or further his planes for takeing the crown.

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    • Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.
      why are you so against him?
      I'm not exactly aganst Hans I'm just getting tired of people trying to make him seem like a "good" and "misunderstood" guy when he manipulated Anna, left her to die told Elsa the Anna was already dead because of her and tryed to kill her. Come on already people Hans is a sociopath who tryed to kill both the sisters just so he can rule Arendelle why on earth would you want him to redeem.
      To learn a new leson that if a person commits a big or biggest mistake, he'll learn something. and of course would feel very sorry. and the person who is victimize must learn to forgive him and get over the past. it may take a long time but it's worth doing so.

      Mistake MISTAKE every thing Hans did was not a mistake he left Anna to freeze to death and tryed to kill Elsa on purpos. Also Hans will never feel sorry he is a sociopath and sociopath's never feel sorry for the bad things they do as said hear.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.
      why are you so against him?
      I'm not exactly aganst Hans I'm just getting tired of people trying to make him seem like a "good" and "misunderstood" guy when he manipulated Anna, left her to die told Elsa the Anna was already dead because of her and tryed to kill her. Come on already people Hans is a sociopath who tryed to kill both the sisters just so he can rule Arendelle why on earth would you want him to redeem.
      To learn a new leson that if a person commits a big or biggest mistake, he'll learn something. and of course would feel very sorry. and the person who is victimize must learn to forgive him and get over the past. it may take a long time but it's worth doing so.
      Mistake MISTAKE every thing Hans did was not a mistake he left Anna to freeze to death and tryed to kill Elsa on purpos. Also Hans will never feel sorry he is a sociopath and sociopath's never feel sorry for the bad things they do as said hear.

      You clearly haven't understood ANYTHING about Hans or about the messages of the movie... He's NOT a sociopath and if you actually read what i wrote earlier, you'd understand what i'm talking about... But sure, live in your dream world and keep believing that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance....

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.
      why are you so against him?
      I'm not exactly aganst Hans I'm just getting tired of people trying to make him seem like a "good" and "misunderstood" guy when he manipulated Anna, left her to die told Elsa the Anna was already dead because of her and tryed to kill her. Come on already people Hans is a sociopath who tryed to kill both the sisters just so he can rule Arendelle why on earth would you want him to redeem.
      To learn a new leson that if a person commits a big or biggest mistake, he'll learn something. and of course would feel very sorry. and the person who is victimize must learn to forgive him and get over the past. it may take a long time but it's worth doing so.
      Mistake MISTAKE every thing Hans did was not a mistake he left Anna to freeze to death and tryed to kill Elsa on purpos. Also Hans will never feel sorry he is a sociopath and sociopath's never feel sorry for the bad things they do as said hear.

      You clearly haven't understood ANYTHING about Hans or about the messages of the movie... He's NOT a sociopath and if you actually read what i wrote earlier, you'd understand what i'm talking about... But sure, live in your dream world and keep believing that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance....

      Ironic how you're claiming they're living in their dream world, not acknowledging Hans' true personality. You DO know the writers and his voice actor's stated multiple times that he is in fact a sociopath?

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      The thing is, Hans is arrogant and merciless. Please, tell me: Did he do ANYTHING post-reveal that made him seem good in any way whatsoever?

      OMG... another idiot... YES he actually did!!! If you actually paid attention to the movie, you would have seen that when Anna left him in charge of Arendelle, he was running the kingdom with efficiency, intelligence and integrity, giving robes and hot soup to the people of Arendelle to keep them warm from the winter, unlike other villains, like Jafar and most importanly Scar, who had ravaged Pride Rock and had drained all the resources of the kingdom(food, water)... Yeah, we all know that he did those things to throw ash in our eyes, but he showed us that he's capable of running a kingdom, unlike Scar, who was just plain evil... The only thing he wanted was to become something great, so he could show his family that he doesn't need them.. It was the way he acted out that was wrong... If he had found out another way to become King, without manipulating Elsa and Anna, he would have done it... So yeah, he isn't arrogant or merciless and he should definitely get redeemed in a Frozen sequel and end up with Elsa... That would be the perfect ending...

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.
      why are you so against him?
      I'm not exactly aganst Hans I'm just getting tired of people trying to make him seem like a "good" and "misunderstood" guy when he manipulated Anna, left her to die told Elsa the Anna was already dead because of her and tryed to kill her. Come on already people Hans is a sociopath who tryed to kill both the sisters just so he can rule Arendelle why on earth would you want him to redeem.
      To learn a new leson that if a person commits a big or biggest mistake, he'll learn something. and of course would feel very sorry. and the person who is victimize must learn to forgive him and get over the past. it may take a long time but it's worth doing so.
      Mistake MISTAKE every thing Hans did was not a mistake he left Anna to freeze to death and tryed to kill Elsa on purpos. Also Hans will never feel sorry he is a sociopath and sociopath's never feel sorry for the bad things they do as said hear.
      You clearly haven't understood ANYTHING about Hans or about the messages of the movie... He's NOT a sociopath and if you actually read what i wrote earlier, you'd understand what i'm talking about... But sure, live in your dream world and keep believing that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance....

      Ironic how you're claiming they're living in their dream world, not acknowledging Hans' true personality. You DO know the writers and his voice actor's stated multiple times that he is in fact a sociopath?

      They have been reffering to him as "sociopath" as a joke.. In reality he's not a sociopath... Learn what sociopath means...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:


      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.
      why are you so against him?
      I'm not exactly aganst Hans I'm just getting tired of people trying to make him seem like a "good" and "misunderstood" guy when he manipulated Anna, left her to die told Elsa the Anna was already dead because of her and tryed to kill her. Come on already people Hans is a sociopath who tryed to kill both the sisters just so he can rule Arendelle why on earth would you want him to redeem.
      To learn a new leson that if a person commits a big or biggest mistake, he'll learn something. and of course would feel very sorry. and the person who is victimize must learn to forgive him and get over the past. it may take a long time but it's worth doing so.
      Mistake MISTAKE every thing Hans did was not a mistake he left Anna to freeze to death and tryed to kill Elsa on purpos. Also Hans will never feel sorry he is a sociopath and sociopath's never feel sorry for the bad things they do as said hear.
      You clearly haven't understood ANYTHING about Hans or about the messages of the movie... He's NOT a sociopath and if you actually read what i wrote earlier, you'd understand what i'm talking about... But sure, live in your dream world and keep believing that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance....
      Ironic how you're claiming they're living in their dream world, not acknowledging Hans' true personality. You DO know the writers and his voice actor's stated multiple times that he is in fact a sociopath?
      They have been reffering to him as "sociopath" as a joke.. In reality he's not a sociopath... Learn what sociopath means...

      Or let me enlighten you.. "Sociopath":a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.


      Does Hans seem like a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial?? Nope.. He hardly acts psychopathic or antisocial... Does Hans seem to lack a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience?? No... He acts very responsible, when he is to take care of the kingdom and has a very clear conscience... You can figure that by his well worked plan... I've said this, but I'll say it again.. He IS bad in the film, but he's forced to act bad, cause there's no other way to take over Arendelle, but to manipulate Anna and Elsa... And he does ALL that, because he's being rejected by his family and wants to show them that he doesn't need them... So he's not arrogant, merciless or a sociopath... So there's high chances to get redeemed in a sequel and maybe pair up with Elsa, if Disney decides to make Frozen 2... Santino Fontana himself has said in an interview that his character has been said to get redeemed and that he might be needed for a sequel, if they decide to make one... There's a link if you want...

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    • I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      The thing is, Hans is arrogant and merciless. Please, tell me: Did he do ANYTHING post-reveal that made him seem good in any way whatsoever?

      Well... he didn't do anything "good" in the end. But if you just take a look at his face when he's at jail, you'll see his face.

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground.

      Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

      First of all, he wasn't his fiancee, cause they never got engaged... Second, "Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!" You just keep repeating what happened in the movie... We know what happened, we have all seen it, there's no need to tell us the obvious... You fail to understand his motives behind his actions though and how DESPERATE he was to become king, only because he was rejected by everyone from his family.. He was bad only on the outside.. Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...
      Misunderstood
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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...
      Misunderstood

      Hmmm.. smart move.. but completely off topic... know why?? cause Gaston was hot too.. but he was far from misunderstood... he was just plain evil and douchebag... if you still fail to understand why Hans is far from a "bad guy" deep inside, I ain't gonna try to convince you no more... Anyone can believe whatever he/she wants... But keep in mind that Disney is on some early stages of making a Frozen sequel and is PROPABLY thinking to redeem him.. Sorry for ruining your adulthood there bud...

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    • I know Disney is considering it. Doesn't make it feasible.

      Gaston ALWAYS seemed evil. Hans seemed like a genuinely nice guy until he turned out to be a cold, brutal... Dare I say it? Sociopath. Sadly, fangirls all over the world are basing their "Hans-Is-A-Good-Guy" theories on his PRE-BETRAYAL personality. The one he used specifically to become the king of Arendelle through manipulation and murder.

      I repeat: After Hans revealed his true colors, he did nothing redeemable.

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    • Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      The thing is, Hans is arrogant and merciless. Please, tell me: Did he do ANYTHING post-reveal that made him seem good in any way whatsoever?
      Well... he didn't do anything "good" in the end. But if you just take a look at his face when he's at jail, you'll see his face.

      Here it is:


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lggKIn5XL-g

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    • He sits up. OKAY HE'S A GOOD GUY EVERYONE FALSE ALARM HE IS REDEEMED.

      Joking aside, I think he's rubbing his head because, well, he was brutally thrown into the brig. Or maybe he is simply worried/humiliated. I would be if I were captured and sent off to receive punishment!

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground.

      Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

      First of all, he wasn't his fiancee, cause they never got engaged... Second, "Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!" You just keep repeating what happened in the movie... We know what happened, we have all seen it, there's no need to tell us the obvious... You fail to understand his motives behind his actions though and how DESPERATE he was to become king, only because he was rejected by everyone from his family.. He was bad only on the outside.. Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...

      Why on earth would Elsa even want to be with someone who caused her and her sister so much pain. Also REJECTED and MISUNDERSTOOD how do we even know that happend People say Hans was naglactid by his brothers but remamber he had 12 of them and said that 3 of them pretanded he was invisabal not all 12 just 3 of them. Also he said his brothers ignord him for  2 years and he is said to be around 23 years, he was ignored not all his life but only 2 years wich probbobly means he got some attanchin in the other 21 years. Besides brother bug each other and fight with each other all the time it's called sibiling rivalry wich is a part of growing up same with sisters and brothers and sisters Hans even said so himself "It's what brothers do" right before the love is an Open Door song. All in all DID HANS REALY SUFFER FROM HIS BROTHERS.

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      He sits up. OKAY HE'S A GOOD GUY EVERYONE FALSE ALARM HE IS REDEEMED.

      Joking aside, I think he's rubbing his head because, well, he was brutally thrown into the brig. Or maybe he is simply worried/humiliated. I would be if I were captured and sent off to receive punishment!

      I think your right.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground.

      Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

      First of all, he wasn't his fiancee, cause they never got engaged... Second, "Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!" You just keep repeating what happened in the movie... We know what happened, we have all seen it, there's no need to tell us the obvious... You fail to understand his motives behind his actions though and how DESPERATE he was to become king, only because he was rejected by everyone from his family.. He was bad only on the outside.. Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...
      Why on earth would Elsa even want to be with someone who caused her and her sister so much pain. Also REJECTED and MISUNDERSTOOD how do we even know that happend People say Hans was naglactid by his brothers but remamber he had 12 of them and said that 3 of them pretanded he was invisabal not all 12 just 3 of them. Also he said his brothers ignord him for  2 years and he is said to be around 23 years, he was ignored not all his life but only 2 years wich probbobly means he got some attanchin in the other 21 years. Besides brother bug each other and fight with each other all the time it's called sibiling rivalry wich is a part of growing up same with sisters and brothers and sisters Hans even said so himself "It's what brothers do" right before the love is an Open Door song. All in all DID HANS REALY SUFFER FROM HIS BROTHERS.

      What if the other 9 didn't really ignored him/ pretending that his invisible, instead they underestemate him as if saying like his the lame duck of the family. That is a very unhealthy way to treat someone/ anyone like that. They never really abused him physically, but more on verbally, which Hans himself did the same thing later on. He shouldn't have been bad in the first place if it wasn't by his brothers' misbehaviour. 

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    • Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground.

      Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

      First of all, he wasn't his fiancee, cause they never got engaged... Second, "Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!" You just keep repeating what happened in the movie... We know what happened, we have all seen it, there's no need to tell us the obvious... You fail to understand his motives behind his actions though and how DESPERATE he was to become king, only because he was rejected by everyone from his family.. He was bad only on the outside.. Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...
      Why on earth would Elsa even want to be with someone who caused her and her sister so much pain. Also REJECTED and MISUNDERSTOOD how do we even know that happend People say Hans was naglactid by his brothers but remamber he had 12 of them and said that 3 of them pretanded he was invisabal not all 12 just 3 of them. Also he said his brothers ignord him for  2 years and he is said to be around 23 years, he was ignored not all his life but only 2 years wich probbobly means he got some attanchin in the other 21 years. Besides brother bug each other and fight with each other all the time it's called sibiling rivalry wich is a part of growing up same with sisters and brothers and sisters Hans even said so himself "It's what brothers do" right before the love is an Open Door song. All in all DID HANS REALY SUFFER FROM HIS BROTHERS.
      What if the other 9 didn't really ignored him/ pretending that his invisible, instead they underestemate him as if saying like his the lame duck of the family. That is a very unhealthy way to treat someone/ anyone like that. They never really abused him physically, but more on verbally, which Hans himself did the same thing later on. He shouldn't have been bad in the first place if it wasn't by his brothers' misbehaviour. 

      How do we even know if they treated Hans badly or not.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground.

      Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

      First of all, he wasn't his fiancee, cause they never got engaged... Second, "Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!" You just keep repeating what happened in the movie... We know what happened, we have all seen it, there's no need to tell us the obvious... You fail to understand his motives behind his actions though and how DESPERATE he was to become king, only because he was rejected by everyone from his family.. He was bad only on the outside.. Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...
      Why on earth would Elsa even want to be with someone who caused her and her sister so much pain. Also REJECTED and MISUNDERSTOOD how do we even know that happend People say Hans was naglactid by his brothers but remamber he had 12 of them and said that 3 of them pretanded he was invisabal not all 12 just 3 of them. Also he said his brothers ignord him for  2 years and he is said to be around 23 years, he was ignored not all his life but only 2 years wich probbobly means he got some attanchin in the other 21 years. Besides brother bug each other and fight with each other all the time it's called sibiling rivalry wich is a part of growing up same with sisters and brothers and sisters Hans even said so himself "It's what brothers do" right before the love is an Open Door song. All in all DID HANS REALY SUFFER FROM HIS BROTHERS.
      What if the other 9 didn't really ignored him/ pretending that his invisible, instead they underestemate him as if saying like his the lame duck of the family. That is a very unhealthy way to treat someone/ anyone like that. They never really abused him physically, but more on verbally, which Hans himself did the same thing later on. He shouldn't have been bad in the first place if it wasn't by his brothers' misbehaviour. 
      How do we even know if they treated Hans badly or not.

      Tell me what are the causes of a psychopathic behaviour.

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    • Some people are just born mentally disturbed.

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    • Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground.

      Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

      First of all, he wasn't his fiancee, cause they never got engaged... Second, "Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!" You just keep repeating what happened in the movie... We know what happened, we have all seen it, there's no need to tell us the obvious... You fail to understand his motives behind his actions though and how DESPERATE he was to become king, only because he was rejected by everyone from his family.. He was bad only on the outside.. Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...
      Why on earth would Elsa even want to be with someone who caused her and her sister so much pain. Also REJECTED and MISUNDERSTOOD how do we even know that happend People say Hans was naglactid by his brothers but remamber he had 12 of them and said that 3 of them pretanded he was invisabal not all 12 just 3 of them. Also he said his brothers ignord him for  2 years and he is said to be around 23 years, he was ignored not all his life but only 2 years wich probbobly means he got some attanchin in the other 21 years. Besides brother bug each other and fight with each other all the time it's called sibiling rivalry wich is a part of growing up same with sisters and brothers and sisters Hans even said so himself "It's what brothers do" right before the love is an Open Door song. All in all DID HANS REALY SUFFER FROM HIS BROTHERS.
      What if the other 9 didn't really ignored him/ pretending that his invisible, instead they underestemate him as if saying like his the lame duck of the family. That is a very unhealthy way to treat someone/ anyone like that. They never really abused him physically, but more on verbally, which Hans himself did the same thing later on. He shouldn't have been bad in the first place if it wasn't by his brothers' misbehaviour. 
      How do we even know if they treated Hans badly or not.
      Tell me what are the causes of a psychopathic behaviour.

      I'm not sure I am not a psychiatrist.

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:


      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      Hans is no good all he thinks about is power and himself.
      you are absalutly right.
      why are you so against him?
      I'm not exactly aganst Hans I'm just getting tired of people trying to make him seem like a "good" and "misunderstood" guy when he manipulated Anna, left her to die told Elsa the Anna was already dead because of her and tryed to kill her. Come on already people Hans is a sociopath who tryed to kill both the sisters just so he can rule Arendelle why on earth would you want him to redeem.
      To learn a new leson that if a person commits a big or biggest mistake, he'll learn something. and of course would feel very sorry. and the person who is victimize must learn to forgive him and get over the past. it may take a long time but it's worth doing so.
      Mistake MISTAKE every thing Hans did was not a mistake he left Anna to freeze to death and tryed to kill Elsa on purpos. Also Hans will never feel sorry he is a sociopath and sociopath's never feel sorry for the bad things they do as said hear.
      You clearly haven't understood ANYTHING about Hans or about the messages of the movie... He's NOT a sociopath and if you actually read what i wrote earlier, you'd understand what i'm talking about... But sure, live in your dream world and keep believing that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance....
      Ironic how you're claiming they're living in their dream world, not acknowledging Hans' true personality. You DO know the writers and his voice actor's stated multiple times that he is in fact a sociopath?
      They have been reffering to him as "sociopath" as a joke.. In reality he's not a sociopath... Learn what sociopath means...
      Or let me enlighten you.. "Sociopath":a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.


      Does Hans seem like a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial?? Nope.. He hardly acts psychopathic or antisocial... Does Hans seem to lack a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience?? No... He acts very responsible, when he is to take care of the kingdom and has a very clear conscience... You can figure that by his well worked plan... I've said this, but I'll say it again.. He IS bad in the film, but he's forced to act bad, cause there's no other way to take over Arendelle, but to manipulate Anna and Elsa... And he does ALL that, because he's being rejected by his family and wants to show them that he doesn't need them... So he's not arrogant, merciless or a sociopath... So there's high chances to get redeemed in a sequel and maybe pair up with Elsa, if Disney decides to make Frozen 2... Santino Fontana himself has said in an interview that his character has been said to get redeemed and that he might be needed for a sequel, if they decide to make one... There's a link if you want...

      Well remamber Hans only took care of the kingdom because he wanted to get the citizens on his side for when he killed Elsa. Also Anna told him she needed him to do it and he did't want to risk the engagment because if he did't marry Anna he never would have been king of Arendelle. Also I have said before how do we even know he was rejected by his family for all we know his mother, father and maby even brothers may have given him alot of attention cause he was the youngest macking him the "Baby of the Family". Also how do we even know Disney won't just change their mind on redeeming him and make him the villen again cause the sequle is not out yet.

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    • I also love how Stratos is like "HEY THIS INTERVIEW HAPPENED WANT A LINK" when this entire discussion is based around it.

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    • After what he did to the sisters I just can't belive that their are people who seriously want Hans to redeem and marry Elsa just because he's handsome and good looking.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground.

      Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

      First of all, he wasn't his fiancee, cause they never got engaged... Second, "Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!" You just keep repeating what happened in the movie... We know what happened, we have all seen it, there's no need to tell us the obvious... You fail to understand his motives behind his actions though and how DESPERATE he was to become king, only because he was rejected by everyone from his family.. He was bad only on the outside.. Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...
      Why on earth would Elsa even want to be with someone who caused her and her sister so much pain. Also REJECTED and MISUNDERSTOOD how do we even know that happend People say Hans was naglactid by his brothers but remamber he had 12 of them and said that 3 of them pretanded he was invisabal not all 12 just 3 of them. Also he said his brothers ignord him for  2 years and he is said to be around 23 years, he was ignored not all his life but only 2 years wich probbobly means he got some attanchin in the other 21 years. Besides brother bug each other and fight with each other all the time it's called sibiling rivalry wich is a part of growing up same with sisters and brothers and sisters Hans even said so himself "It's what brothers do" right before the love is an Open Door song. All in all DID HANS REALY SUFFER FROM HIS BROTHERS.

      First of all, I'm not gonna reply to you... Go learn some grammar before you can write kid... I can't even understand what you're saying...

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground.

      Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

      First of all, he wasn't his fiancee, cause they never got engaged... Second, "Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!" You just keep repeating what happened in the movie... We know what happened, we have all seen it, there's no need to tell us the obvious... You fail to understand his motives behind his actions though and how DESPERATE he was to become king, only because he was rejected by everyone from his family.. He was bad only on the outside.. Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...
      Why on earth would Elsa even want to be with someone who caused her and her sister so much pain. Also REJECTED and MISUNDERSTOOD how do we even know that happend People say Hans was naglactid by his brothers but remamber he had 12 of them and said that 3 of them pretanded he was invisabal not all 12 just 3 of them. Also he said his brothers ignord him for  2 years and he is said to be around 23 years, he was ignored not all his life but only 2 years wich probbobly means he got some attanchin in the other 21 years. Besides brother bug each other and fight with each other all the time it's called sibiling rivalry wich is a part of growing up same with sisters and brothers and sisters Hans even said so himself "It's what brothers do" right before the love is an Open Door song. All in all DID HANS REALY SUFFER FROM HIS BROTHERS.
      What if the other 9 didn't really ignored him/ pretending that his invisible, instead they underestemate him as if saying like his the lame duck of the family. That is a very unhealthy way to treat someone/ anyone like that. They never really abused him physically, but more on verbally, which Hans himself did the same thing later on. He shouldn't have been bad in the first place if it wasn't by his brothers' misbehaviour. 
      How do we even know if they treated Hans badly or not.

      Because they rejected him dumbass!!!! They were acting like he was invisible... That's what scarred him... I'd like to see how good you'd feel when everybody from your family acted like you're a piece of shit...

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      Some people are just born mentally disturbed.

      And Hans is clearly not one of them... He was forced to act bad later, cause there wasn't any other way to become something great and to show his family that he's a capable King... As i said before, It was the WAY he acted that was wrong, but there were true and important motives behind his actions... Trying to take over the kingdom from someone is not a good thing, but not trying to forgive him because he was mistaken is not a good thing either.. Everyone deserves some understanding and forgiveness...

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    • OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground.

      Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

      First of all, he wasn't his fiancee, cause they never got engaged... Second, "Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!" You just keep repeating what happened in the movie... We know what happened, we have all seen it, there's no need to tell us the obvious... You fail to understand his motives behind his actions though and how DESPERATE he was to become king, only because he was rejected by everyone from his family.. He was bad only on the outside.. Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...
      Why on earth would Elsa even want to be with someone who caused her and her sister so much pain. Also REJECTED and MISUNDERSTOOD how do we even know that happend People say Hans was naglactid by his brothers but remamber he had 12 of them and said that 3 of them pretanded he was invisabal not all 12 just 3 of them. Also he said his brothers ignord him for  2 years and he is said to be around 23 years, he was ignored not all his life but only 2 years wich probbobly means he got some attanchin in the other 21 years. Besides brother bug each other and fight with each other all the time it's called sibiling rivalry wich is a part of growing up same with sisters and brothers and sisters Hans even said so himself "It's what brothers do" right before the love is an Open Door song. All in all DID HANS REALY SUFFER FROM HIS BROTHERS.
      What if the other 9 didn't really ignored him/ pretending that his invisible, instead they underestemate him as if saying like his the lame duck of the family. That is a very unhealthy way to treat someone/ anyone like that. They never really abused him physically, but more on verbally, which Hans himself did the same thing later on. He shouldn't have been bad in the first place if it wasn't by his brothers' misbehaviour. 
      How do we even know if they treated Hans badly or not.
      Because they rejected him dumbass!!!! They were acting like he was invisible... That's what scarred him... I'd like to see how good you'd feel when everybody from your family acted like you're a piece of shit...

      Excuse me Hold on know but I'm a what, I'M A WHAT. You cant just go around cursing at people like that, Also what if their is a kid who is on this wiki with a parent or older sibiling and they end up on this thread do you want them to see thous words you just typed at me huh. Ok I'll admit maby I raised my voice a bit but you are actuly going crazey hear I'm actuly wondering are you even thinking rationaly right now. You know what I'm starting to wonder if talking to you about this is even worth my energy right know.

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Peter Pan2001 wrote:
      That's what I think : Hans will return but as protagonist fighting against some monster to help Arendelle, and Elsa and him will get married. And about sequel itself: I don't know why, but it must have a new villain.
      TOTALLY agree!!! Hans should get redeemed and marry Elsa!!! He should do something heroic for Arendelle to redeem himself, so he and Elsa could be together!!! ;)
      Hans should never be redeemed, EVER.
      Hans should INDEED get redeemed!!!!!!!! You're literally too young or too stupid, if you don't want Hans to get redeemed and be with Elsa, since you never undrstood the meaning of the movie... So yeah, Hans DOES need a second chance....
      you can say that again
      thanks!!! Finally someone who understands!!!! ;)
      No problem! ;) besides, you made a good point since I understood that a sinful person like him could be a saint.
      Not all sinfull people are capable of becomeing saints some (like Hans) are just sinfull for now and forever.
      Yeah keep dreaming that... Hans is like the only Disney Villain that deserves to get redeemed... He's not Maleficent, Ursula, Jafar, Scar or Mother Gothel and all those villains i've mentioned are bad just because they're bad.. On the other hand, Hans has a fully detailed back story about his motives and actions... I'm not saying he's good, i'm just saying that he is bad not by choice, but because he's biased, trying to prove to his family that he's capable of doing great things... And he's definitely not a sociopath, since he never killed anyone, even though he tried to... Learn what sociopath means... He's not arrogant, merciless or blood-thirsty.. If he had found out another way to become King, without manipulating Elsa and Anna, he would have done it, unlike Maleficent, Ursula, Jafar, Scar, who are just plain evil... So yeah, he should DEFINITELY get redeemed in a Frozen sequel and pair up with Elsa... That would be the best, nuff said...

      If Hans did't want to realy harm anyone and if was't blood-thirsty then why was he smiling when he was reveling his evil plans to Anna and why did he also have that smile when he was about to cut Elsa's head off after macking her feel bad and cry by telling her that she killed Anna. Sorry but I'm afried him and Elsa paring up would not be the best. 

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..

      But remamber Elsa did thous thing by accadent. Hans did hurt Elsa and Anna on purpos. Also he did't seem mad or scared or stressed when he left Anna and tryed to kill Elsa he seemd like he was enjoying their suffering as evedent by the big smile on his face when he reviled to Anna that he was only useing her, then left her to die and told Elsa that she killed Anna to make her feel bad before killing her.

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      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..
      But remamber Elsa did thous thing by accadent. Hans did hurt Elsa and Anna on purpos. Also he did't seem mad or scared or stressed when he left Anna and tryed to kill Elsa he seemd like he was enjoying their suffering as evedent by the big smile on his face when he reviled to Anna that he was only useing her, then left her to die and told Elsa that she killed Anna to make her feel bad before killing her.

      OMG you keep repeating and repeating the same thing, which is what Hans did!!! Enough!!! I know what happened, I've seen the movie, like, 8 times!!!! You still fail to understand his motives behind his actions... If there was another way to become King, without manipulating Elsa and Anna, he would have done it... He's bad and he's FORCED to act bad, because it's the only way to take over the Kingdom and he did ALL that, because he was spending all his life being ignored and treated unfairly by his OWN  family... That doesn't mean that he can't have a change of heart in the sequel, regret about his actions and turn out to be a good guy eventually... And him pairing up with Elsa would be the perfect idea!!! Now stop this conversation!!! Enough already.. I'm tired of seeing this thread every time in my notifications... It's just a movie... 

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Ridannelyn Gibs Gallo wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      I said post-reveal and you start blabbering about how he gained the kingdom's trust while Anna was gone. Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground.

      Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!

      First of all, he wasn't his fiancee, cause they never got engaged... Second, "Not sure how Hans has a sense of moral responsibility for others, considering he left his fiancee to die and almost chopped off her sister's head while she was sobbing on the ground. Now, that sure sounds like a good guy!" You just keep repeating what happened in the movie... We know what happened, we have all seen it, there's no need to tell us the obvious... You fail to understand his motives behind his actions though and how DESPERATE he was to become king, only because he was rejected by everyone from his family.. He was bad only on the outside.. Deep inside he was a misunderstood person, who just wanted attention... Just like Elsa... That's why he deserves to be redeemed and forgiven, that's why those two characters fit so good together and that's why they'll propably end up together, if Disney decides to make a sequel...
      Why on earth would Elsa even want to be with someone who caused her and her sister so much pain. Also REJECTED and MISUNDERSTOOD how do we even know that happend People say Hans was naglactid by his brothers but remamber he had 12 of them and said that 3 of them pretanded he was invisabal not all 12 just 3 of them. Also he said his brothers ignord him for  2 years and he is said to be around 23 years, he was ignored not all his life but only 2 years wich probbobly means he got some attanchin in the other 21 years. Besides brother bug each other and fight with each other all the time it's called sibiling rivalry wich is a part of growing up same with sisters and brothers and sisters Hans even said so himself "It's what brothers do" right before the love is an Open Door song. All in all DID HANS REALY SUFFER FROM HIS BROTHERS.
      What if the other 9 didn't really ignored him/ pretending that his invisible, instead they underestemate him as if saying like his the lame duck of the family. That is a very unhealthy way to treat someone/ anyone like that. They never really abused him physically, but more on verbally, which Hans himself did the same thing later on. He shouldn't have been bad in the first place if it wasn't by his brothers' misbehaviour. 
      How do we even know if they treated Hans badly or not.
      Because they rejected him dumbass!!!! They were acting like he was invisible... That's what scarred him... I'd like to see how good you'd feel when everybody from your family acted like you're a piece of shit...
      Excuse me Hold on know but I'm a what, I'M A WHAT. You cant just go around cursing at people like that, Also what if their is a kid who is on this wiki with a parent or older sibiling and they end up on this thread do you want them to see thous words you just typed at me huh. Ok I'll admit maby I raised my voice a bit but you are actuly going crazey hear I'm actuly wondering are you even thinking rationaly right now. You know what I'm starting to wonder if talking to you about this is even worth my energy right know.

      It doesn't for me, cause you still can't understand what I'm saying... Now stop it...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..
      But remamber Elsa did thous thing by accadent. Hans did hurt Elsa and Anna on purpos. Also he did't seem mad or scared or stressed when he left Anna and tryed to kill Elsa he seemd like he was enjoying their suffering as evedent by the big smile on his face when he reviled to Anna that he was only useing her, then left her to die and told Elsa that she killed Anna to make her feel bad before killing her.
      OMG you keep repeating and repeating the same thing, which is what Hans did!!! Enough!!! I know what happened, I've seen the movie, like, 8 times!!!! You still fail to understand his motives behind his actions... If there was another way to become King, without manipulating Elsa and Anna, he would have done it... He's bad and he's FORCED to act bad, because it's the only way to take over the Kingdom and he did ALL that, because he was spending all his life being ignored and treated unfairly by his OWN  family... That doesn't mean that he can't have a change of heart in the sequel, regret about his actions and turn out to be a good guy eventually... And him pairing up with Elsa would be the perfect idea!!! Now stop this conversation!!! Enough already.. I'm tired of seeing this thread every time in my notifications... It's just a movie... 

      Exactly I keep reminding you and you still say Hans has a chance with Elsa. Also why did he even need to be king, it probobly was't his family because their is no proof he was naglacted because brother (and all sibilings for that matter) ignore, argue, or fight with each other all the time as I said before it's called sibiling rivalry ( wich is not only very commen but a part of growing up sibiling rivalry is not the same as abuse or naglact. Also how do we even know Hans was bad from something that happend to him when he was a kid, he could have just been born bad, belive it or not their are some bad people (in real life even) who had normal even happy childhoods. Also I am awar that Frozen is just a movie but what I want to know is do you know that because you have been kinda dramatic when you argu that Hans will redeem. Sorry I am upsetting you so much.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..
      But remamber Elsa did thous thing by accadent. Hans did hurt Elsa and Anna on purpos. Also he did't seem mad or scared or stressed when he left Anna and tryed to kill Elsa he seemd like he was enjoying their suffering as evedent by the big smile on his face when he reviled to Anna that he was only useing her, then left her to die and told Elsa that she killed Anna to make her feel bad before killing her.
      OMG you keep repeating and repeating the same thing, which is what Hans did!!! Enough!!! I know what happened, I've seen the movie, like, 8 times!!!! You still fail to understand his motives behind his actions... If there was another way to become King, without manipulating Elsa and Anna, he would have done it... He's bad and he's FORCED to act bad, because it's the only way to take over the Kingdom and he did ALL that, because he was spending all his life being ignored and treated unfairly by his OWN  family... That doesn't mean that he can't have a change of heart in the sequel, regret about his actions and turn out to be a good guy eventually... And him pairing up with Elsa would be the perfect idea!!! Now stop this conversation!!! Enough already.. I'm tired of seeing this thread every time in my notifications... It's just a movie... 
      Exactly I keep reminding you and you still say Hans has a chance with Elsa. Also why did he even need to be king, it probobly was't his family because their is no proof he was naglacted because brother (and all sibilings for that matter) ignore, argue, or fight with each other all the time as I said before it's called sibiling rivalry ( wich is not only very commen but a part of growing up sibiling rivalry is not the same as abuse or naglact. Also how do we even know Hans was bad from something that happend to him when he was a kid, he could have just been born bad, belive it or not their are some bad people (in real life even) who had normal even happy childhoods. Also I am awar that Frozen is just a movie but what I want to know is do you know that because you have been kinda dramatic when you argu that Hans will redeem. Sorry I am upsetting you so much.

      You're not upsetting me at all.. I'm actually laughing at your point of view... Anyway, you don't know in what way were his brothers neglecting him... Trying to excuse his brothers to make him being born bad is just stupid.. Obviously he was neglected and treated badly enough to become so desperate, so that to do all those horrible things... Now stop with this conversation... I'm tired of having this in my notifications... Period...

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      No. They can't do it.


      Hans is a sociopath. He doesn't care about others. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a good guy. If anything, he wants Anna and Elsa dead more than ever. The only three ways I can see him helping them are:


      1. He does it for his own good. Maybe he'll end up betraying them in the end.


      2. They're teaming up to fight a bigger foe.


      3. He received some tough punishment that somehow led him to aiding them.


      But turning him into a genuinely good guy? Nope, never. He's a villain, and that'd be Fanfiction-level unfeasibility.


      What do you think?

      I want Hans to come back to Arendelle by getting abducted by Aliens. then  the aliens bring Hans to Arendelle and giving him advanced alien DNA and battle armor then Hans impregnates Elsa thus giving elsa an Alien Fetus growing inside her. elsa somehow get the alien out of her womb but she still survives. but until elsa freezes Han's Heart and Locking him into an acient Temple where no one can find it.

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..
      But remamber Elsa did thous thing by accadent. Hans did hurt Elsa and Anna on purpos. Also he did't seem mad or scared or stressed when he left Anna and tryed to kill Elsa he seemd like he was enjoying their suffering as evedent by the big smile on his face when he reviled to Anna that he was only useing her, then left her to die and told Elsa that she killed Anna to make her feel bad before killing her.
      OMG you keep repeating and repeating the same thing, which is what Hans did!!! Enough!!! I know what happened, I've seen the movie, like, 8 times!!!! You still fail to understand his motives behind his actions... If there was another way to become King, without manipulating Elsa and Anna, he would have done it... He's bad and he's FORCED to act bad, because it's the only way to take over the Kingdom and he did ALL that, because he was spending all his life being ignored and treated unfairly by his OWN  family... That doesn't mean that he can't have a change of heart in the sequel, regret about his actions and turn out to be a good guy eventually... And him pairing up with Elsa would be the perfect idea!!! Now stop this conversation!!! Enough already.. I'm tired of seeing this thread every time in my notifications... It's just a movie... 
      Exactly I keep reminding you and you still say Hans has a chance with Elsa. Also why did he even need to be king, it probobly was't his family because their is no proof he was naglacted because brother (and all sibilings for that matter) ignore, argue, or fight with each other all the time as I said before it's called sibiling rivalry ( wich is not only very commen but a part of growing up sibiling rivalry is not the same as abuse or naglact. Also how do we even know Hans was bad from something that happend to him when he was a kid, he could have just been born bad, belive it or not their are some bad people (in real life even) who had normal even happy childhoods. Also I am awar that Frozen is just a movie but what I want to know is do you know that because you have been kinda dramatic when you argu that Hans will redeem. Sorry I am upsetting you so much.
      You're not upsetting me at all.. I'm actually laughing at your point of view... Anyway, you don't know in what way were his brothers neglecting him... Trying to excuse his brothers to make him being born bad is just stupid.. Obviously he was neglected and treated badly enough to become so desperate, so that to do all those horrible things... Now stop with this conversation... I'm tired of having this in my notifications... Period...

      I agree with you. I think this had gone too far and I don't want arguements anymore. Let's just say that people have different opinions about him, so I say we just keep it on ourselves.

      If some of them thought that he is an evil villain, then go, I won't change their minds. I don't have the power to do so.

      And if some thought that his just misunderstood, then this our own POV. And that's the end of that.

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    • If they redeem Hans make him wear Black as his Good Costume to contrast the first film

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    • Nelokles wrote:
      If they redeem Hans make him wear Black as his Good Costume to contrast the first film

      Yes!!!! That would be an awesome idea!!! :D

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nelokles wrote:
      If they redeem Hans make him wear Black as his Good Costume to contrast the first film
      Yes!!!! That would be an awesome idea!!! :D

      Yeah. Never heard of that before but that's sounds good!

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    • If Disney redeems Hans it will be their biggest mistake in the history of anything Disney.

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    • Hey, so, anyone that's hoping for Hans to continue to be the antagonist in any subsequent installment is not really thinking clearly. Consider the complete aboutface in character he took in Frozen. If they aren't interested in changing his characterization, which at the movie's end was essentially one of complete heartlessness and manipulation, then why would they even want to feature him again in the first place? What would be the point? How would it make for an interesting narrative? If they don't want to play with him anymore, they'll just maybe have it mentioned somewhere that "Yeah, Hans is still mean and imprisoned and stuff." and leave it at that. If he's coming back, they're going to try and humanize him at least a little bit.

      While it seems that right now the only person who should hate Hans more than Elsa is Anna herself, but there are some similarities in their actions. Both of them let themselves be controlled by selfish desires. Hans was willing to lie and kill just to make himself feel important. Elsa on the other hand, was so eager to shirk her responsibility that she didn't stop to think if she may have accidentally doomed the kingdom until her sister risked her life to tell her that she had.

      Obviously, those are not the same thing, but they were both triggered by dangerous emotions. Hans clearly got a huge rush from leading Arendelle and helping the people. That desire to be noticed is relatable, though the way he tried to go about it was terrible. Elsa obviously wasn't exactly the same sort of case, but her emotions almost caused her to do terrible things as well. She almost killed both of the Duke's men, who, to be fair, were trying to kill her as well, but it became obvious within a few seconds that she was perfectly capable of disabling them without harming them. Incidentally, who was it that made her stop? And subsequently blocked the bolt from the one guy's crossbow? If he had let her kill them, he could've used it for evidence of her evil nature. And of course if he had not blocked the bolt, he could've just claimed that it happened too quickly for him to act. Anna would become queen, and he could dispose of her whenever he wished. Of course later he was totally willing to kill her himself, but before that he was willing to act to go out of his way to protect her, when he could simply not act and let her die. That doesn't speak "cold-blooded sociopath" to me. The reason why this changed isn't really clear to me, but it's interesting at least.

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    • Kermit Chaos wrote:
      Hey, so, anyone that's hoping for Hans to continue to be the antagonist in any subsequent installment is not really thinking clearly. Consider the complete aboutface in character he took in Frozen. If they aren't interested in changing his characterization, which at the movie's end was essentially one of complete heartlessness and manipulation, then why would they even want to feature him again in the first place? What would be the point? How would it make for an interesting narrative? If they don't want to play with him anymore, they'll just maybe have it mentioned somewhere that "Yeah, Hans is still mean and imprisoned and stuff." and leave it at that. If he's coming back, they're going to try and humanize him at least a little bit.

      While it seems that right now the only person who should hate Hans more than Elsa is Anna herself, but there are some similarities in their actions. Both of them let themselves be controlled by selfish desires. Hans was willing to lie and kill just to make himself feel important. Elsa on the other hand, was so eager to shirk her responsibility that she didn't stop to think if she may have accidentally doomed the kingdom until her sister risked her life to tell her that she had.

      Obviously, those are not the same thing, but they were both triggered by dangerous emotions. Hans clearly got a huge rush from leading Arendelle and helping the people. That desire to be noticed is relatable, though the way he tried to go about it was terrible. Elsa obviously wasn't exactly the same sort of case, but her emotions almost caused her to do terrible things as well. She almost killed both of the Duke's men, who, to be fair, were trying to kill her as well, but it became obvious within a few seconds that she was perfectly capable of disabling them without harming them. Incidentally, who was it that made her stop? And subsequently blocked the bolt from the one guy's crossbow? If he had let her kill them, he could've used it for evidence of her evil nature. And of course if he had not blocked the bolt, he could've just claimed that it happened too quickly for him to act. Anna would become queen, and he could dispose of her whenever he wished. Of course later he was totally willing to kill her himself, but before that he was willing to act to go out of his way to protect her, when he could simply not act and let her die. That doesn't speak "cold-blooded sociopath" to me. The reason why this changed isn't really clear to me, but it's interesting at least.

      I think the main reason Hans did't let the Duks Bodyguards kill Elsa was because if he had he would have to explane to his fience how he just stood back and let the bodyguards kill her sister. If Hans let Elsa die Anna would have been hurt and angry at him and would most likley have broken off their engagment and remember Hans needed to marry Anna to be ruler of Arendelle. And she would have found out because the Royal Guards were there and would have told the Princess of Arendelle of the events.

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    • Jonah.pietila wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      No. They can't do it.


      Hans is a sociopath. He doesn't care about others. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a good guy. If anything, he wants Anna and Elsa dead more than ever. The only three ways I can see him helping them are:


      1. He does it for his own good. Maybe he'll end up betraying them in the end.


      2. They're teaming up to fight a bigger foe.


      3. He received some tough punishment that somehow led him to aiding them.


      But turning him into a genuinely good guy? Nope, never. He's a villain, and that'd be Fanfiction-level unfeasibility.


      What do you think?

      I want Hans to come back to Arendelle by getting abducted by Aliens. then  the aliens bring Hans to Arendelle and giving him advanced alien DNA and battle armor then Hans impregnates Elsa thus giving elsa an Alien Fetus growing inside her. elsa somehow get the alien out of her womb but she still survives. but until elsa freezes Han's Heart and Locking him into an acient Temple where no one can find it.

      I would pay to watch this movie.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      If Disney redeems Hans it will be their biggest mistake in the history of anything Disney.

      Lol you're the biggest hotheaded person i've ever seen in my life... If Disney redeems Hans it will be their RIGHTEST and most DECENT move in the history of anything Disney has made... It will show that even villains are misunderstood people, who always deserve a second chance... And get used to it, cause Disney is already thinking to redeem Hans.. Sorry for ruining your adulthood there buddy...   

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Sorry for ruining your adulthood there buddy...   

      You've already said that. 

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Sorry for ruining your adulthood there buddy...   
      You've already said that. 

      I wasn't talking to you

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    • Still. You've already said that. Come to think of it, you're repeating yourself quite a lot.

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      Still. You've already said that. Come to think of it, you're repeating yourself quite a lot.

      And I've already told you, I wasn't talking to you.. Now stop trying to create a fight.

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    • You were the one cussing... On the Disney Wiki.

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      You were the one cussing... On the Disney Wiki.

      And now you're the one being irritating and trying to start a fight about a closed matter... The discussion is over, stop replying...

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    • Just statin' the facts.

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      You were the one cussing... On the Disney Wiki.
      And now you're the one being irritating and trying to start a fight about a closed matter... The discussion is over, stop replying...

      Well actuly Stratos he (or she) is right you know You have called me the hothead but your the one cursing her so I am actuly wondering who is the real hothead her. Not trying to start a fight.

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    • Nelokles wrote:
      If they redeem Hans make him wear Black as his Good Costume to contrast the first film

      Griffith!!, But anyway I don't think Hans should be redeemed, people like him, is almost impossible to ever redeem.

      We could be played for as a fool.

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    • It would be cool if they made it look like he's redeemed, but then it turns out to be just another act of manipulation.

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      It would be cool if they made it look like he's redeemed, but then it turns out to be just another act of manipulation.

      You know that would be cool I guss.

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      It would be cool if they made it look like he's redeemed, but then it turns out to be just another act of manipulation.

      If they would make him regret about his actions, it would propably be for real, not manipulation...

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    • Differentway wrote:

        How dark Hans is, I just noticed a point, do you see how he look at Anna, after they sung 'love is an open door'. He knows Anna deeply, he know Anna is under the shadow of her sister, and really want to find the way out, care nothing. Hans knows deeply how it is, and other things, all are just planed by him, he put hisself up on two main characters, he want to play it, and he thought he can easy to handle this. Look at his way to look at Anna, so calm, so confidence. He know Anna need a some visible push, just a little push, can make all things happen. He all knows that. Hans is the real designer behind all of these. Just through his eyes, no dreaming, full of evil. 

       Some people not clever by really have capable of this, may be not always doing this, but when they show it, make people feel disgusting. And may be real hit you.

       But you just only need to be you, and only can be you, prove yourself. As for these guys, do you really think they have the second chance, may be they have so many chance return back to themselves, but all lost, they are willing to play this game, and always find some kinds of fun, to make them continue, but only lost deep.

       Back to Hans, how he deeply lost, then let he can decide people death, he always think he is upon them, and seem get good grades, but he lost himself, and everything, he has chosen his way, he has no way to find himself. He is on the way to his doom. There is no way back.

       Even he has some kinds of 'chance' to redeem himself, someone may be think this NOT ACCEPTED

      That doesn't mean that he propably won't get redeemed...

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      You were the one cussing... On the Disney Wiki.
      And now you're the one being irritating and trying to start a fight about a closed matter... The discussion is over, stop replying...
      Well actuly Stratos he (or she) is right you know You have called me the hothead but your the one cursing her so I am actuly wondering who is the real hothead her. Not trying to start a fight.

      Hothead is not even a curse word... It's a trait of personality...I'm just pointing out that you're hothead, by the way you think and by your opinions...

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    • why do u think hans is bad guy in his hurt he doesnt bad guy in his button

      he just wants show to his family ,12 brothers , he can become king

      but when he was setting this plan he fell in love with elsa

      and in frozen 2 he comes too arendlle to alpogize

      they should make frozen 2 , becauese frozen1 it was too short and i dont elsa do what

      thi

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    • Team helsa wrote:
      why do u think hans is bad guy in his hurt he doesnt bad guy in his button

      he just wants show to his family ,12 brothers , he can become king

      but when he was setting this plan he fell in love with elsa

      and in frozen 2 he comes too arendlle to alpogize

      they should make frozen 2 , becauese frozen1 it was too short and i dont elsa do what

      thi

      Please, let's just stop this conversation... It doesn't matter... Anyone can be entitled to his/her opinions...

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    • Maybe you're right, maybe they'll make him genuinely sorry. I just don't find it very probable. That's just my opinion. 

      You know, speaking of which, a lot of people have different opinions on Hans. Some people think of him as a murderous sociopath, while others think of him as a misunderstood, tragic villain. I'm kinda in the middle. I think the reason he desired the throne to this extent is because of his brothers, but I find his actions evil, and I don't think they can be justified through redemption.

       

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      Maybe you're right, maybe they'll make him genuinely sorry. I just don't find it very probable. That's just my opinion. 

      You know, speaking of which, a lot of people have different opinions on Hans. Some people think of him as a murderous sociopath, while others think of him as a misunderstood, tragic villain. I'm kinda in the middle. I think the reason he desired the throne to this extent is because of his brothers, but I find his actions evil, and I don't think they can be justified through redemption.

       

      I find his actions evil too, and i never said he was a good person in the movie... He was a liar and a douchebag... I'm just saying that there are still chances to get redeemed in a possible sequel, since he wasn't a "I'm the bad guy and I'm gonna take over the world, you will never stop me, i'm gonna destroy everyone of you fools" bad guy.

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    • Team helsa wrote:
      why do u think hans is bad guy in his hurt he doesnt bad guy in his button

      he just wants show to his family ,12 brothers , he can become king

      but when he was setting this plan he fell in love with elsa

      and in frozen 2 he comes too arendlle to alpogize

      they should make frozen 2 , becauese frozen1 it was too short and i dont elsa do what

      thi

      I don't think Disney intended Hans to be that deep of a charactor.

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    • Spyrocks wrote:
      Team helsa wrote:
      why do u think hans is bad guy in his hurt he doesnt bad guy in his button

      he just wants show to his family ,12 brothers , he can become king

      but when he was setting this plan he fell in love with elsa

      and in frozen 2 he comes too arendlle to alpogize

      they should make frozen 2 , becauese frozen1 it was too short and i dont elsa do what

      thi

      I don't think Disney intended Hans to be that deep of a charactor.

      We'll never know, if Disney doesn't make a sequel!! ;)

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    • A Frozen 2?! I still can't get some of the songs out of my head! I only wish Frozen had less singing, then it would be a bit better. I liked Frozen's twists, but a Frozen 2? The first one took awhile, so the second one... Idk. I think that the sequel should be kinda like Monster's Univeristy.... in other words, take place before the first movie. I think it should show Hans' backstory a bit more, along with Kristoff's. Either that, or it could be a short movie, like Tangled Ever After. I think they should included what makes the characters.. well, the characters. Hans Backstory should be deep, but he should still remain a villain. Kinda like Maleficient (love that movie), but (SPOILER REST OF SENTENCE) without the happy ending. In other words, redeeming Hans? I like him better evil, but there should be a backstory. I think that will make the sequel great, as well as add to the original movie.

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    • Ya mean a prequel?

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    • lol EXACTLY! ;D

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      I think the main reason Hans did't let the Duks Bodyguards kill Elsa was because if he had he would have to explane to his fience how he just stood back and let the bodyguards kill her sister. If Hans let Elsa die Anna would have been hurt and angry at him and would most likley have broken off their engagment and remember Hans needed to marry Anna to be ruler of Arendelle. And she would have found out because the Royal Guards were there and would have told the Princess of Arendelle of the events.

      She wasn't there, so how is she to know whether he could've prevented it? Sure the guards were there, but it's not like they'd say "Oh, yeah, he totally hesitated on purpose." None of the guards even noticed what was happening. They didn't try to stop the Duke's crossbowman. If Hans hadn't been, Elsa would've totally died. Besides, she trusted Hans more than she trusted anyone else, which is why she left him in charge. As it happened, he almost didn't make it in time. Saying that she wouldn't be willing to forgive him for what would be presented as a tragic accident is not in keeping with her personality. When their parents died, Anna wanted to share her grief with Elsa. Anna as you're describing her would've been more likely to blame Elsa's isolation as a contributing factor to their parents dying.

      There's more than one way Hans could've turned the situation in his favor. None of the palace guards even noticed the Duke's guys heading into the castle. Hans was the only one who saw it. He could've not reacted, and said he didn't see them go in because he was too focused on beating Marshmallow.

      He also could've stepped aside and let Elsa kill them, which would cause serious mistrust and doubt over whether or not Elsa was a good person, and could potentially lead to some sort of exile.

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    • Kermit Chaos wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      I think the main reason Hans did't let the Duks Bodyguards kill Elsa was because if he had he would have to explane to his fience how he just stood back and let the bodyguards kill her sister. If Hans let Elsa die Anna would have been hurt and angry at him and would most likley have broken off their engagment and remember Hans needed to marry Anna to be ruler of Arendelle. And she would have found out because the Royal Guards were there and would have told the Princess of Arendelle of the events.
      She wasn't there, so how is she to know whether he could've prevented it? Sure the guards were there, but it's not like they'd say "Oh, yeah, he totally hesitated on purpose." None of the guards even noticed what was happening. They didn't try to stop the Duke's crossbowman. If Hans hadn't been, Elsa would've totally died. Besides, she trusted Hans more than she trusted anyone else, which is why she left him in charge. As it happened, he almost didn't make it in time. Saying that she wouldn't be willing to forgive him for what would be presented as a tragic accident is not in keeping with her personality. When their parents died, Anna wanted to share her grief with Elsa. Anna as you're describing her would've been more likely to blame Elsa's isolation as a contributing factor to their parents dying.

      There's more than one way Hans could've turned the situation in his favor. None of the palace guards even noticed the Duke's guys heading into the castle. Hans was the only one who saw it. He could've not reacted, and said he didn't see them go in because he was too focused on beating Marshmallow.

      He also could've stepped aside and let Elsa kill them, which would cause serious mistrust and doubt over whether or not Elsa was a good person, and could potentially lead to some sort of exile.

      Maby but their might still be the chance that Anna would have been mad at him cause he was in charge wich means he was responsibal for whathever happend and maby he did't wan't to risk it. 

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    • Hans is not just a Sociopath he is aslo a Sadist wich is another reason he should not be redeemd.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote: Hans is not just a Sociopath he is aslo a Sadist wich is another reason he should not be redeemd.

      How is he a sadist?

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    • ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote: Hans is not just a Sociopath he is aslo a Sadist wich is another reason he should not be redeemd.

      How is he a sadist?

      According to the persinality section on his page Hans was abusive and sadistic because of how he tormentid Elsa and Anna verbily, that section also state that examples of this is when he continuisly taunted Anna in the librarey while she was dying in the library and when he told Elsa that he tryed to save Anna but she died from her magic in the fjord.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:

      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote: Hans is not just a Sociopath he is aslo a Sadist wich is another reason he should not be redeemd.

      How is he a sadist?

      According to the persinality section on his page Hans was abusive and sadistic because of how he tormentid Elsa and Anna verbily, that section also state that examples of this is when he continuisly taunted Anna in the librarey while she was dying in the library and when he told Elsa that he tryed to save Anna but she died from her magic in the fjord.

      The latter, at least, was to make her let her guard down, not out of sadism.

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    • ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote: Hans is not just a Sociopath he is aslo a Sadist wich is another reason he should not be redeemd.

      How is he a sadist?
      According to the persinality section on his page Hans was abusive and sadistic because of how he tormentid Elsa and Anna verbily, that section also state that examples of this is when he continuisly taunted Anna in the librarey while she was dying in the library and when he told Elsa that he tryed to save Anna but she died from her magic in the fjord.

      The latter, at least, was to make her let her guard down, not out of sadism.

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

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    • ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.

      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...

      1st of all I would't say I'm a "fanboy," 2nd of all if I am then tacnicly everybody who likes Frozen is a fanboy/girl of Anna, Elsa and/or Kristoff because they are the 3 main charecters of the movie, 3rd If Hans was a good person deep down then why did he have that big smile on his face when he was taunting the dying Anna in the librarey and about to kill Elsa when she was crying over her sister?

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.

      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...

      You are a fanatic as well. You're not helping.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...
      1st of all I would't say I'm a "fanboy," 2nd of all if I am then tacnicly everybody who likes Frozen is a fanboy/girl of Anna, Elsa and/or Kristoff because they are the 3 main charecters of the movie, 3rd If Hans was a good person deep down then why did he have that big smile on his face when he was taunting the dying Anna in the librarey and about to kill Elsa when she was crying over her sister?

      1st of all, Hans is also one of the main characters of the movie, whether you like it or not... Second, if you really want to know why Hans is a good person deep inside his heart, just reread all the things I have written in this thread, where I explain COUNTLESS times why Hans is not actually bad and can be redeemed and pair up with Elsa...

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    • ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...

      You are a fanatic as well. You're not helping.

      Me??

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...

      You are a fanatic as well. You're not helping.

      Me??

      Yes, you.

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    • ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:


      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...
      You are a fanatic as well. You're not helping.
      Me??

      Yes, you.

      Nah, I really don't think so... I try to be as open minded as I can and I never exaggerate.. If you read my comments above on this thread, I give valid and mature answers for why I believe what I believe...

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    • I think Hans was the worst villiains Disney has ever created. He cannot stand beside the greats like the Evil Queen, Maleficent, Cruella de Vill, Ursula, Scar and Jafar, or in more recent years,mother Gothel and Doctor Facillier. Hans was terrible. I thought Frozen was fine, but it could've been so much better if Elsa had been the villain.

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    • HIMG wrote: I think Hans was the worst villiains Disney has ever created. He cannot stand beside the greats like the Evil Queen, Maleficent, Cruella de Vill, Ursula, Scar and Jafar, or in more recent years,mother Gothel and Doctor Facillier. Hans was terrible. I thought Frozen was fine, but it could've been so much better if Elsa had been the villain.

      Why do you think that?

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...
      1st of all I would't say I'm a "fanboy," 2nd of all if I am then tacnicly everybody who likes Frozen is a fanboy/girl of Anna, Elsa and/or Kristoff because they are the 3 main charecters of the movie, 3rd If Hans was a good person deep down then why did he have that big smile on his face when he was taunting the dying Anna in the librarey and about to kill Elsa when she was crying over her sister?
      1st of all, Hans is also one of the main characters of the movie, whether you like it or not... Second, if you really want to know why Hans is a good person deep inside his heart, just reread all the things I have written in this thread, where I explain COUNTLESS times why Hans is not actually bad and can be redeemed and pair up with Elsa...

      I read a little of that site about Hans being "good" and I don't belive it It said Hans smiled when after he fell in the docks at Anna because he did care about her but according to the plot section on his page he was smiling because he knew that he could still take the thrown in Arendelle even thou he could not "woo" Elsa the way he was able to do with Anna. Also it said that Hans was happey when he tryed to kill Elsa because he knew he could become king but remamber he did't need to be king in the first place cause he was already a prince in his own kingdom and if you ask me that should mean he has enough power but he still tryed to be king wich is power hungry wich is still a bad thing. So I don't belive that he is good inside.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...
      1st of all I would't say I'm a "fanboy," 2nd of all if I am then tacnicly everybody who likes Frozen is a fanboy/girl of Anna, Elsa and/or Kristoff because they are the 3 main charecters of the movie, 3rd If Hans was a good person deep down then why did he have that big smile on his face when he was taunting the dying Anna in the librarey and about to kill Elsa when she was crying over her sister?
      1st of all, Hans is also one of the main characters of the movie, whether you like it or not... Second, if you really want to know why Hans is a good person deep inside his heart, just reread all the things I have written in this thread, where I explain COUNTLESS times why Hans is not actually bad and can be redeemed and pair up with Elsa...
      I read a little of that site about Hans being "good" and I don't belive it It said Hans smiled when after he fell in the docks at Anna because he did care about her but according to the plot section on his page he was smiling because he knew that he could still take the thrown in Arendelle even thou he could not "woo" Elsa the way he was able to do with Anna. Also it said that Hans was happey when he tryed to kill Elsa because he knew he could become king but remamber he did't need to be king in the first place cause he was already a prince in his own kingdom and if you ask me that should mean he has enough power but he still tryed to be king wich is power hungry wich is still a bad thing. So I don't belive that he is good inside.

      Well, no one can change your point of view... I'm just explaining why Hans is good deep inside him and why I think that he would be perfect with Elsa and get redeemed...

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    • HIMG wrote:
      I think Hans was the worst villiains Disney has ever created. He cannot stand beside the greats like the Evil Queen, Maleficent, Cruella de Vill, Ursula, Scar and Jafar, or in more recent years,mother Gothel and Doctor Facillier. Hans was terrible. I thought Frozen was fine, but it could've been so much better if Elsa had been the villain.

      IMO, I think that Frozen was better with Disney deciding to have a villain like Hans in it and not Elsa, but I respect your opinion!!! Also, I kind of agree that Hans wasn't a "solid" and proper villain, since he wasn't a bad guy deep inside him and did all he did, just because he was rejected by his own family...And that's what made him a very biased villain... That's also why I think it would be awesome, if Disney decided to make a sequel to Frozen, where Hans regrets about his actions, has a change of heart, saves Arendelle from a new villain(a new and terrifying one this time) and pairs up with Elsa!!!! That's of course my opinion only!!! I'd like to hear yours!!! ;)

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...
      1st of all I would't say I'm a "fanboy," 2nd of all if I am then tacnicly everybody who likes Frozen is a fanboy/girl of Anna, Elsa and/or Kristoff because they are the 3 main charecters of the movie, 3rd If Hans was a good person deep down then why did he have that big smile on his face when he was taunting the dying Anna in the librarey and about to kill Elsa when she was crying over her sister?
      1st of all, Hans is also one of the main characters of the movie, whether you like it or not... Second, if you really want to know why Hans is a good person deep inside his heart, just reread all the things I have written in this thread, where I explain COUNTLESS times why Hans is not actually bad and can be redeemed and pair up with Elsa...
      I read a little of that site about Hans being "good" and I don't belive it It said Hans smiled when after he fell in the docks at Anna because he did care about her but according to the plot section on his page he was smiling because he knew that he could still take the thrown in Arendelle even thou he could not "woo" Elsa the way he was able to do with Anna. Also it said that Hans was happey when he tryed to kill Elsa because he knew he could become king but remamber he did't need to be king in the first place cause he was already a prince in his own kingdom and if you ask me that should mean he has enough power but he still tryed to be king wich is power hungry wich is still a bad thing. So I don't belive that he is good inside.
      Well, no one can change your point of view... I'm just explaining why Hans is good deep inside him and why I think that he would be perfect with Elsa and get redeemed...

      Ok fine and I was just explaning why I don't think he was realy good inside and why I for one am pretty sure that he and Elsa should never be togather

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...
      1st of all I would't say I'm a "fanboy," 2nd of all if I am then tacnicly everybody who likes Frozen is a fanboy/girl of Anna, Elsa and/or Kristoff because they are the 3 main charecters of the movie, 3rd If Hans was a good person deep down then why did he have that big smile on his face when he was taunting the dying Anna in the librarey and about to kill Elsa when she was crying over her sister?
      1st of all, Hans is also one of the main characters of the movie, whether you like it or not... Second, if you really want to know why Hans is a good person deep inside his heart, just reread all the things I have written in this thread, where I explain COUNTLESS times why Hans is not actually bad and can be redeemed and pair up with Elsa...
      I read a little of that site about Hans being "good" and I don't belive it It said Hans smiled when after he fell in the docks at Anna because he did care about her but according to the plot section on his page he was smiling because he knew that he could still take the thrown in Arendelle even thou he could not "woo" Elsa the way he was able to do with Anna. Also it said that Hans was happey when he tryed to kill Elsa because he knew he could become king but remamber he did't need to be king in the first place cause he was already a prince in his own kingdom and if you ask me that should mean he has enough power but he still tryed to be king wich is power hungry wich is still a bad thing. So I don't belive that he is good inside.
      Well, no one can change your point of view... I'm just explaining why Hans is good deep inside him and why I think that he would be perfect with Elsa and get redeemed...
      Ok fine and I was just explaning why I don't think he was realy good inside and why I for one am pretty sure that he and Elsa should never be togather

      Ok whatever, anyone can have whatever opinion he wants...

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    • In my sequel, Hans is redeemed as you can see in first 2 parts of the movie. Whether Hans will be with Elsa, or not, you will know only after I write 3rd part which I am not interested in writing because:

      1) I am feeling lazy

      2) I am going to take an IELTS test soon so I don;t have much time

      3) I don't see you being too interested in it which demotivates me

      By the way, everyone deserves 2nd chance even hardcore villains, let alone Hans who is nowhere near those "great" villains that HIMG mentioned...

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    • Didjey Disantales wrote:
      In my sequel, Hans is redeemed as you can see in first 2 parts of the movie. Whether Hans will be with Elsa, or not, you will know only after I write 3rd part which I am not interested in writing because:

      1) I am feeling lazy

      2) I am going to take an IELTS test soon so I don;t have much time

      3) I don't see you being too interested in it which demotivates me

      By the way, everyone deserves 2nd chance even hardcore villains, let alone Hans who is nowhere near those "great" villains that HIMG mentioned...

      Totally agree with you!!!! You're right!!! Everyone deserves a second chance, let alone Hans!!!! And if you can write a 3rd part in your sequel, please do it, cause I assure you, there are A LOT of people who want to see Hans getting redeemed!!! You don't have to do it right now, if you have a test coming up!!! You can do it whenever you want!!! Don't let this threat take you down!!!! And good luck with your IELTS test!!! ;)

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Didjey Disantales wrote:
      In my sequel, Hans is redeemed as you can see in first 2 parts of the movie. Whether Hans will be with Elsa, or not, you will know only after I write 3rd part which I am not interested in writing because:

      1) I am feeling lazy

      2) I am going to take an IELTS test soon so I don;t have much time

      3) I don't see you being too interested in it which demotivates meNow that's whatni'm talking about

      By the way, everyone deserves 2nd chance even hardcore villains, let alone Hans who is nowhere near those "great" villains that HIMG mentioned...

      Totally agree with you!!!! You're right!!! Everyone deserves a second chance, let alone Hans!!!! And if you can write a 3rd part in your sequel, please do it, cause I assure you, there are A LOT of people who want to see Hans getting redeemed!!! You don't have to do it right now, if you have a test coming up!!! You can do it whenever you want!!! Don't let this threat take you down!!!! And good luck with your IELTS test!!! ;)


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    • No way Hans Deserves a second chance, he will do some terrible deeds like kiddnapping Anna for revege.

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    • Jesse220 wrote:
      No way Hans Deserves a second chance, he will do some terrible deeds like kiddnapping Anna for revege.

      that's only your opinion... nothing more...

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      Misunderstood

      Exactly!

      And by the way, if we can't even have equality between Disney villains on how they are considered for their evil deeds, then I'm sorry, but equality between human beings is never going to happen! Because I'm sorry, but if Hans was ugly, you WOULD consider him a sociopath.

      P.S.: The second paragraph isn't a reply to you, Nikolajik. It's a reply to the people who believe that us anti-Hans are misunderstanding him.

      P.P.S.: This is escalating into the Dreyfus affair. Literally.

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      No way Hans Deserves a second chance, he will do some terrible deeds like kiddnapping Anna for revege.
      that's only your opinion... nothing more...

      Your just blind

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      Misunderstood
      Exactly!

      And by the way, if we can't even have equality between Disney villains on how they are considered for their evil deeds, then I'm sorry, but equality between human beings is never going to happen! Because I'm sorry, but if Hans was ugly, you WOULD consider him a sociopath.

      P.S.: The second paragraph isn't a reply to you, Nikolajik. It's a reply to the people who believe that us anti-Hans are misunderstanding him.

      P.P.S.: This is escalating into the Dreyfus affair. Literally.

      Trust me, if Hans was ugly, we would still think that he is misunderstood, cause he actually IS(misundestood), unlike other Disney villains, who are evil, just because they're evil, simple as that.. The are no forgiving reasons or motives behind their actions, unlike Hans, who did everything he did, not because he's bad, but because he wanted to show his family that he's capable of great things and that he doesn't need them, since everyone ignored him... "And by the way, if we can't even have equality between Disney villains on how they are considered for their evil deeds, then I'm sorry, but equality between human beings is never going to happen"?? Are you serious??? That only applies to bad people in real life!!! I think you're taking an animated movie way too serious... All this is just fictional... It's not real life... And from this point on, the most cliche and overused scenario Disney could do is to keep Hans a bad guy... On the contrary, since Hans is a very biased villain who is good deep inside his heart, the best move for Disney would be to redeem him in the sequel, if Disney decides to make one... It would be the best move Disney will have done in years and it will show that everyone, even villains, deserve a second chance...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...
      1st of all I would't say I'm a "fanboy," 2nd of all if I am then tacnicly everybody who likes Frozen is a fanboy/girl of Anna, Elsa and/or Kristoff because they are the 3 main charecters of the movie, 3rd If Hans was a good person deep down then why did he have that big smile on his face when he was taunting the dying Anna in the librarey and about to kill Elsa when she was crying over her sister?
      1st of all, Hans is also one of the main characters of the movie, whether you like it or not... Second, if you really want to know why Hans is a good person deep inside his heart, just reread all the things I have written in this thread, where I explain COUNTLESS times why Hans is not actually bad and can be redeemed and pair up with Elsa...
      I read a little of that site about Hans being "good" and I don't belive it It said Hans smiled when after he fell in the docks at Anna because he did care about her but according to the plot section on his page he was smiling because he knew that he could still take the thrown in Arendelle even thou he could not "woo" Elsa the way he was able to do with Anna. Also it said that Hans was happey when he tryed to kill Elsa because he knew he could become king but remamber he did't need to be king in the first place cause he was already a prince in his own kingdom and if you ask me that should mean he has enough power but he still tryed to be king wich is power hungry wich is still a bad thing. So I don't belive that he is good inside.
      Well, no one can change your point of view... I'm just explaining why Hans is good deep inside him and why I think that he would be perfect with Elsa and get redeemed...

      In the sequel to Frozen, Hans should be hellbent on revenge and kill ANYONE AND EVERYONE who stands in his way, add in a little turning on his own henchmen, a pinch of biting, a spoonful of torture and that should prove that us anti-Hans were right all along.

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    • Jesse220 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Jesse220 wrote:
      No way Hans Deserves a second chance, he will do some terrible deeds like kiddnapping Anna for revege.
      that's only your opinion... nothing more...
      Your just blind

      I think the blind one is you..

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...
      1st of all I would't say I'm a "fanboy," 2nd of all if I am then tacnicly everybody who likes Frozen is a fanboy/girl of Anna, Elsa and/or Kristoff because they are the 3 main charecters of the movie, 3rd If Hans was a good person deep down then why did he have that big smile on his face when he was taunting the dying Anna in the librarey and about to kill Elsa when she was crying over her sister?
      1st of all, Hans is also one of the main characters of the movie, whether you like it or not... Second, if you really want to know why Hans is a good person deep inside his heart, just reread all the things I have written in this thread, where I explain COUNTLESS times why Hans is not actually bad and can be redeemed and pair up with Elsa...
      I read a little of that site about Hans being "good" and I don't belive it It said Hans smiled when after he fell in the docks at Anna because he did care about her but according to the plot section on his page he was smiling because he knew that he could still take the thrown in Arendelle even thou he could not "woo" Elsa the way he was able to do with Anna. Also it said that Hans was happey when he tryed to kill Elsa because he knew he could become king but remamber he did't need to be king in the first place cause he was already a prince in his own kingdom and if you ask me that should mean he has enough power but he still tryed to be king wich is power hungry wich is still a bad thing. So I don't belive that he is good inside.
      Well, no one can change your point of view... I'm just explaining why Hans is good deep inside him and why I think that he would be perfect with Elsa and get redeemed...
      In the sequel to Frozen, Hans should be hellbent on revenge and kill ANYONE AND EVERYONE who stands in his way, add in a little turning on his own henchmen, a pinch of biting, a spoonful of torture and that should prove that us anti-Hans were right all along.

      That you may have a point

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Wolf 91 wrote:

      Well it spacificly says that he said that to her to further her eternal suffering before he killed her in the persinality section on his page also if he was not sadistic then why did her have a big smile on his face when he left Anna to die by herself and he also had that grin when he was about to kill Elsa while she was morning her sister.

      Just because someone wrote something on a page does not make it true. I myself was/am going to change that statement when I get around to editing it again.

      You should also read this (not official, but a well–thought–out interpretation): http://goldflshturtle.tumblr.com/post/78073499792/hans-bad-guys-have-feelings-too

      TLDR: He's "happy" because he's "winning", not because he specifically wants to do evil things other than as a means to a practical end.

      How do we know he did't do that stuff out of sadisum and that site seems like it was made by one of Hans "fan girls" to make him seem less evil then he realy is.
      On the contrary, that site seems like it was made by a very mature person, with a smart mind and high intelligence, who knows why Hans did wat he did, and why his actions, even though they were bad, are justified... I think it's you, who is the fanboy/fangirl about Kristoff/Anna/Elsa and can't see, propably out of egoism, that deep in his heart, Hans is actually a good person...
      1st of all I would't say I'm a "fanboy," 2nd of all if I am then tacnicly everybody who likes Frozen is a fanboy/girl of Anna, Elsa and/or Kristoff because they are the 3 main charecters of the movie, 3rd If Hans was a good person deep down then why did he have that big smile on his face when he was taunting the dying Anna in the librarey and about to kill Elsa when she was crying over her sister?
      1st of all, Hans is also one of the main characters of the movie, whether you like it or not... Second, if you really want to know why Hans is a good person deep inside his heart, just reread all the things I have written in this thread, where I explain COUNTLESS times why Hans is not actually bad and can be redeemed and pair up with Elsa...
      I read a little of that site about Hans being "good" and I don't belive it It said Hans smiled when after he fell in the docks at Anna because he did care about her but according to the plot section on his page he was smiling because he knew that he could still take the thrown in Arendelle even thou he could not "woo" Elsa the way he was able to do with Anna. Also it said that Hans was happey when he tryed to kill Elsa because he knew he could become king but remamber he did't need to be king in the first place cause he was already a prince in his own kingdom and if you ask me that should mean he has enough power but he still tryed to be king wich is power hungry wich is still a bad thing. So I don't belive that he is good inside.
      Well, no one can change your point of view... I'm just explaining why Hans is good deep inside him and why I think that he would be perfect with Elsa and get redeemed...
      In the sequel to Frozen, Hans should be hellbent on revenge and kill ANYONE AND EVERYONE who stands in his way, add in a little turning on his own henchmen, a pinch of biting, a spoonful of torture and that should prove that us anti-Hans were right all along.

      lol your comment proves exactly what you "anti-Hans" fanboys are only dreaming what Hans would be, when he's actually not... "In the sequel to Frozen, Hans should be hellbent on revenge and kill ANYONE AND EVERYONE who stands in his way, add in a little turning on his own henchmen, a pinch of biting, a spoonful of torture.." Oh God, I think I'm starting to see who is the sociopath here...

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    • Nikolajlk wrote:
      Misunderstood

      Freaking hilarious image. Did you make it?

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    • ResonX wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      Misunderstood

      Freaking hilarious image. Did you make it?

      completely wrong and off topic though...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      ResonX wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      Misunderstood

      Freaking hilarious image. Did you make it?

      completely wrong and off topic though...

      It's not off–topic.

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    • ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      ResonX wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      Misunderstood
      Freaking hilarious image. Did you make it?
      completely wrong and off topic though...

      It's not off–topic.

      I think it is.. Look up on this thread, where I explain why it is!! ;)

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      ResonX wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      Misunderstood
      Freaking hilarious image. Did you make it?
      completely wrong and off topic though...

      It's not off–topic.

      I think it is.. Look up on this thread, where I explain why it is!! ;)

      For the love of God, please don't.

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    • ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:

      ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:


      ResonX wrote:
      Nikolajlk wrote:
      Misunderstood
      Freaking hilarious image. Did you make it?
      completely wrong and off topic though...
      It's not off–topic.
      I think it is.. Look up on this thread, where I explain why it is!! ;)

      For the love of God, please don't.

      What??? I'm not looking for a fight here, I'm just saying my opinion about why Hans could get redeemed in a possible sequel!!

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote: What??? I'm not looking for a fight here, I'm just saying my opinion about why Hans could get redeemed in a possible sequel!!

      You've already said that many times.

      Hans should not be with Elsa or any other existing character. I can think of no means of or reason for reconciliation that would not be contrived and an excuse for pointless shipping. Not to mention, that would make him king of Arendelle, thus having him accomplish the exact goal his villainous actions were committed in pursuit of without him having to change in that regard.

      Hans should not "come back for revenge" or otherwise be an antagonist to the rest of the cast again. That would be lazy and mean–spirited for writers to do, and would ruin the character's potential for further development and exploration, including any form of redemption, a storyline which, if the runners of the Frozen property do not want to explore in official media, they should at least leave open as a feasible possibility for fans like us to postulate and write on. If there is to be another adventure of any sort with Anna, Elsa and friends, there should be a new antagonist unrelated to anything in the original film, but potentially drawing from elements of The Snow Queen not previously made use of, such as an actual antagonistic Ice Queen or a Devil–Troll with an evil mirror.

      Hans should be at the forefront of a spin–off, not a direct sequel in the traditional sense and being published in a form other than that of a film (because realistically, that would not financially make sense for Disney to fund given the interests of the mass–market in relation to the existing Frozen property) as an anti–hero who finds redemption and purpose through actual non–contrived character progression among an otherwise largely new supporting cast.

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    • ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote: What??? I'm not looking for a fight here, I'm just saying my opinion about why Hans could get redeemed in a possible sequel!!

      You've already said that many times.

      Hans should not be with Elsa or any other existing character. I can think of no means of or reason for reconciliation that would not be contrived and an excuse for pointless shipping. Not to mention, that would make him king of Arendelle, thus having him accomplish the exact goal his villainous actions were committed in pursuit of without him having to change in that regard.

      Hans should not "come back for revenge" or otherwise be an antagonist to the rest of the cast again. That would be lazy and mean–spirited for writers to do, and would ruin the character's potential for further development and exploration, including any form of redemption, a storyline which, if the runners of the Frozen property do not want to explore in official media, they should at least leave open as a feasible possibility for fans like us to postulate and write on. If there is to be another adventure of any sort with Anna, Elsa and friends, there should be a new antagonist unrelated to anything in the original film, but potentially drawing from elements of The Snow Queen not previously made use of, such as an actual antagonistic Ice Queen or a Devil–Troll with an evil mirror.

      Hans should be at the forefront of a spin–off, not a direct sequel in the traditional sense and being published in a form other than that of a film (because realistically, that would not financially make sense for Disney to fund given the interests of the mass–market in relation to the existing Frozen property) as an anti–hero who finds redemption and purpose through actual non–contrived character progression among an otherwise largely new supporting cast.

      By getting redeemed in a sequel and pairing up with Elsa, Hans will become become King of Arendelle, but not in a villainous way, like he did in the movie, but by being accepted by everyone in the kingdom... And I agree that there should be a new villain in the sequel(a solid and terrifying one this time)... THIS villain could be the chance for Hans to redeem himself, by defeting him and restoring peace to Arendelle!!! Nevertheless, I respect your opinion!!!!

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote: What??? I'm not looking for a fight here, I'm just saying my opinion about why Hans could get redeemed in a possible sequel!!

      You've already said that many times.

      Hans should not be with Elsa or any other existing character. I can think of no means of or reason for reconciliation that would not be contrived and an excuse for pointless shipping. Not to mention, that would make him king of Arendelle, thus having him accomplish the exact goal his villainous actions were committed in pursuit of without him having to change in that regard.

      Hans should not "come back for revenge" or otherwise be an antagonist to the rest of the cast again. That would be lazy and mean–spirited for writers to do, and would ruin the character's potential for further development and exploration, including any form of redemption, a storyline which, if the runners of the Frozen property do not want to explore in official media, they should at least leave open as a feasible possibility for fans like us to postulate and write on. If there is to be another adventure of any sort with Anna, Elsa and friends, there should be a new antagonist unrelated to anything in the original film, but potentially drawing from elements of The Snow Queen not previously made use of, such as an actual antagonistic Ice Queen or a Devil–Troll with an evil mirror.

      Hans should be at the forefront of a spin–off, not a direct sequel in the traditional sense and being published in a form other than that of a film (because realistically, that would not financially make sense for Disney to fund given the interests of the mass–market in relation to the existing Frozen property) as an anti–hero who finds redemption and purpose through actual non–contrived character progression among an otherwise largely new supporting cast.

      By getting redeemed in a sequel and pairing up with Elsa, Hans will become become King of Arendelle, but not in a villainous way, like he did in the movie, but by being accepted by everyone in the kingdom... And I agree that there should be a new villain in the sequel(a solid and terrifying one this time)... THIS villain could be the chance for Hans to redeem himself, by defeting him and restoring peace to Arendelle!!! Nevertheless, I respect your opinion!!!!

      Remamber Disney movies are popular with kids and haveing Hans be redeem would send the wrong massage to the kids cause part of the reason he was created was to show kids that just because some one seems like a good person dou't mean they are. Redeeming him would be like telling kids that you should trust a traitor like Angie and Veronica did with Ray Palmero on the Geroge Lopez show. It would go aginst the old saying "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me" if Disney redeemd Hans. It would also make no sense plot story wise cause Elsa, Anna and everyone else in Arendelle should know better then to trust someone who would cause them all that pain and heartach.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote: What??? I'm not looking for a fight here, I'm just saying my opinion about why Hans could get redeemed in a possible sequel!!

      You've already said that many times.

      Hans should not be with Elsa or any other existing character. I can think of no means of or reason for reconciliation that would not be contrived and an excuse for pointless shipping. Not to mention, that would make him king of Arendelle, thus having him accomplish the exact goal his villainous actions were committed in pursuit of without him having to change in that regard.

      Hans should not "come back for revenge" or otherwise be an antagonist to the rest of the cast again. That would be lazy and mean–spirited for writers to do, and would ruin the character's potential for further development and exploration, including any form of redemption, a storyline which, if the runners of the Frozen property do not want to explore in official media, they should at least leave open as a feasible possibility for fans like us to postulate and write on. If there is to be another adventure of any sort with Anna, Elsa and friends, there should be a new antagonist unrelated to anything in the original film, but potentially drawing from elements of The Snow Queen not previously made use of, such as an actual antagonistic Ice Queen or a Devil–Troll with an evil mirror.

      Hans should be at the forefront of a spin–off, not a direct sequel in the traditional sense and being published in a form other than that of a film (because realistically, that would not financially make sense for Disney to fund given the interests of the mass–market in relation to the existing Frozen property) as an anti–hero who finds redemption and purpose through actual non–contrived character progression among an otherwise largely new supporting cast.

      By getting redeemed in a sequel and pairing up with Elsa, Hans will become become King of Arendelle, but not in a villainous way, like he did in the movie, but by being accepted by everyone in the kingdom... And I agree that there should be a new villain in the sequel(a solid and terrifying one this time)... THIS villain could be the chance for Hans to redeem himself, by defeting him and restoring peace to Arendelle!!! Nevertheless, I respect your opinion!!!!
      Remamber Disney movies are popular with kids and haveing Hans be redeem would send the wrong massage to the kids cause part of the reason he was created was to show kids that just because some one seems like a good person dou't mean they are. Redeeming him would be like telling kids that you should trust a traitor like Angie and Veronica did with Ray Palmero on the Geroge Lopez show. It would go aginst the old saying "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me" if Disney redeemd Hans. It would also make no sense plot story wise cause Elsa, Anna and everyone else in Arendelle should know better then to trust someone who would cause them all that pain and heartach.

      Yes, you shouldn't marry someone you just met... we get it.. enough with that... the movie also passes many more messages... Everyone can make mistakes, if they're mad or stressed... That being said, it would be awesome for Disney telling young kids that everyone deserves a second chance, even bad guys that did many mistakes in the past... And it would make perfect sense plot story wise for Elsa, Anna and everyone in Arendelle to accept Hans, if Hans will battle with a new terrifying new villain(I think a sequel would need a new villain) and save the kingdom from the villain... That way he could get redeemed...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote: What??? I'm not looking for a fight here, I'm just saying my opinion about why Hans could get redeemed in a possible sequel!!

      You've already said that many times.

      Hans should not be with Elsa or any other existing character. I can think of no means of or reason for reconciliation that would not be contrived and an excuse for pointless shipping. Not to mention, that would make him king of Arendelle, thus having him accomplish the exact goal his villainous actions were committed in pursuit of without him having to change in that regard.

      Hans should not "come back for revenge" or otherwise be an antagonist to the rest of the cast again. That would be lazy and mean–spirited for writers to do, and would ruin the character's potential for further development and exploration, including any form of redemption, a storyline which, if the runners of the Frozen property do not want to explore in official media, they should at least leave open as a feasible possibility for fans like us to postulate and write on. If there is to be another adventure of any sort with Anna, Elsa and friends, there should be a new antagonist unrelated to anything in the original film, but potentially drawing from elements of The Snow Queen not previously made use of, such as an actual antagonistic Ice Queen or a Devil–Troll with an evil mirror.

      Hans should be at the forefront of a spin–off, not a direct sequel in the traditional sense and being published in a form other than that of a film (because realistically, that would not financially make sense for Disney to fund given the interests of the mass–market in relation to the existing Frozen property) as an anti–hero who finds redemption and purpose through actual non–contrived character progression among an otherwise largely new supporting cast.

      By getting redeemed in a sequel and pairing up with Elsa, Hans will become become King of Arendelle, but not in a villainous way, like he did in the movie, but by being accepted by everyone in the kingdom... And I agree that there should be a new villain in the sequel(a solid and terrifying one this time)... THIS villain could be the chance for Hans to redeem himself, by defeting him and restoring peace to Arendelle!!! Nevertheless, I respect your opinion!!!!
      Remamber Disney movies are popular with kids and haveing Hans be redeem would send the wrong massage to the kids cause part of the reason he was created was to show kids that just because some one seems like a good person dou't mean they are. Redeeming him would be like telling kids that you should trust a traitor like Angie and Veronica did with Ray Palmero on the Geroge Lopez show. It would go aginst the old saying "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me" if Disney redeemd Hans. It would also make no sense plot story wise cause Elsa, Anna and everyone else in Arendelle should know better then to trust someone who would cause them all that pain and heartach.
      Yes, you shouldn't marry someone you just met... we get it.. enough with that... the movie also passes many more messages... Everyone can make mistakes, if they're mad or stressed... That being said, it would be awesome for Disney telling young kids that everyone deserves a second chance, even bad guys that did many mistakes in the past... And it would make perfect sense plot story wise for Elsa, Anna and everyone in Arendelle to accept Hans, if Hans will battle with a new terrifying new villain(I think a sequel would need a new villain) and save the kingdom from the villain... That way he could get redeemed...

      Yes people make bad choices if they are mad, scared or stressed but it did't seem like Hans was eather of thous things. He was dafinatly suprised when Elsa's powers were reveled but after that it did't seem like he was quivering or going into a panic realy so he was't to scared. It seems like the only part whare he showed any anger was when Elsa escaped the dungun so he was't realy that angry in the whole movie. He defifnatly had some big resposibilitys when Anna left him in charge but he seemd to handel that pretty well it did't look like he was haveing a brakedown or tering his head oput or anything, I honastly did't see how he was that stressed. I don't think Hans was realy motavated by stress, anger or fear.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote: What??? I'm not looking for a fight here, I'm just saying my opinion about why Hans could get redeemed in a possible sequel!!

      You've already said that many times.

      Hans should not be with Elsa or any other existing character. I can think of no means of or reason for reconciliation that would not be contrived and an excuse for pointless shipping. Not to mention, that would make him king of Arendelle, thus having him accomplish the exact goal his villainous actions were committed in pursuit of without him having to change in that regard.

      Hans should not "come back for revenge" or otherwise be an antagonist to the rest of the cast again. That would be lazy and mean–spirited for writers to do, and would ruin the character's potential for further development and exploration, including any form of redemption, a storyline which, if the runners of the Frozen property do not want to explore in official media, they should at least leave open as a feasible possibility for fans like us to postulate and write on. If there is to be another adventure of any sort with Anna, Elsa and friends, there should be a new antagonist unrelated to anything in the original film, but potentially drawing from elements of The Snow Queen not previously made use of, such as an actual antagonistic Ice Queen or a Devil–Troll with an evil mirror.

      Hans should be at the forefront of a spin–off, not a direct sequel in the traditional sense and being published in a form other than that of a film (because realistically, that would not financially make sense for Disney to fund given the interests of the mass–market in relation to the existing Frozen property) as an anti–hero who finds redemption and purpose through actual non–contrived character progression among an otherwise largely new supporting cast.

      By getting redeemed in a sequel and pairing up with Elsa, Hans will become become King of Arendelle, but not in a villainous way, like he did in the movie, but by being accepted by everyone in the kingdom... And I agree that there should be a new villain in the sequel(a solid and terrifying one this time)... THIS villain could be the chance for Hans to redeem himself, by defeting him and restoring peace to Arendelle!!! Nevertheless, I respect your opinion!!!!
      Remamber Disney movies are popular with kids and haveing Hans be redeem would send the wrong massage to the kids cause part of the reason he was created was to show kids that just because some one seems like a good person dou't mean they are. Redeeming him would be like telling kids that you should trust a traitor like Angie and Veronica did with Ray Palmero on the Geroge Lopez show. It would go aginst the old saying "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me" if Disney redeemd Hans. It would also make no sense plot story wise cause Elsa, Anna and everyone else in Arendelle should know better then to trust someone who would cause them all that pain and heartach.
      Yes, you shouldn't marry someone you just met... we get it.. enough with that... the movie also passes many more messages... Everyone can make mistakes, if they're mad or stressed... That being said, it would be awesome for Disney telling young kids that everyone deserves a second chance, even bad guys that did many mistakes in the past... And it would make perfect sense plot story wise for Elsa, Anna and everyone in Arendelle to accept Hans, if Hans will battle with a new terrifying new villain(I think a sequel would need a new villain) and save the kingdom from the villain... That way he could get redeemed...
      Yes people make bad choices if they are mad, scared or stressed but it did't seem like Hans was eather of thous things. He was dafinatly suprised when Elsa's powers were reveled but after that it did't seem like he was quivering or going into a panic realy so he was't to scared. It seems like the only part whare he showed any anger was when Elsa escaped the dungun so he was't realy that angry in the whole movie. He defifnatly had some big resposibilitys when Anna left him in charge but he seemd to handel that pretty well it did't look like he was haveing a brakedown or tering his head oput or anything, I honastly did't see how he was that stressed. I don't think Hans was realy motavated by stress, anger or fear.

      He was motivated by fear and stress, fearing his plan wouldn't work and that way he couldn't prove to his family that he doesn't need them... Anyway, let's just not start again with the Hans being redeemed or not thing... Anyone can have whatever opinion he wants...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..

      a) No, he doesn't deserve a second chance. He had his chance and he blew it.

      b) Elsa was shutting Anna out FOR HER OWN GOOD!/POUR SON BIEN! You know those words! I can translate in French if you don't speak English! after she hurt her physically with her powers, oh and also, it was her parents' orders. Hans, on the other hand, left Anna to die because he wanted her and Elsa DEAD/MORTES.

      c) If Hans was really killing Elsa because he thought he had to for the sake of the kingdom and that he personally didn't want to, WHY DID HE HAVE A HUGE SMILE ON HIS FACE?/POURQUOI AVAIT-IL UN GRAND SOURIRE AU VISAGE?. I'm sorry but someone who had to kill someone but didn't want to would close his eyes or look away while completing the act. Did Hans close his eyes or look away? NO!/NON!

      d) Excuse me, mister, but my grades are B+ I'D LIKE TO SEE YOURS! So stop insulting me, Nikolajik, Wolf 91, among others, if you don't mind!

      e) Like I've said above, the recipe to getting those pro-Hans idiots to see that Hans is really just plainly evil, no good in his heart is for the sequel to have him just evil, evil, evil.

      f) In contrast, I've got a good Hans idea:

      During his imprisonement, Hans escapes and stumbles into an old temple after his flee. He becomes attracted to a mirror and crosses it. Suddenly, he finds a clone of him, only this one is nice.

      The idea came because I thought it would be hilarious if the King of the Southern Isles' guards caught the good Hans clone, but then Hans comes and kills them. I just think that the confusion would be good, because we'd be thinking is this the nice one or the real Hans, the COMPLETELY EVIL!

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..
      a) No, he doesn't deserve a second chance. He had his chance and he blew it.

      b) Elsa was shutting Anna out FOR HER OWN GOOD!/POUR SON BIEN! You know those words! I can translate in French if you don't speak English! after she hurt her physically with her powers, oh and also, it was her parents' orders. Hans, on the other hand, left Anna to die because he wanted her and Elsa DEAD/MORTES.

      c) If Hans was really killing Elsa because he thought he had to for the sake of the kingdom and that he personally didn't want to, WHY DID HE HAVE A HUGE SMILE ON HIS FACE?/POURQUOI AVAIT-IL UN GRAND SOURIRE AU VISAGE?. I'm sorry but someone who had to kill someone but didn't want to would close his eyes or look away while completing the act. Did Hans close his eyes or look away? NO!/NON!

      d) Excuse me, mister, but my grades are B+ I'D LIKE TO SEE YOURS! So stop insulting me, Nikolajik, Wolf 91, among others, if you don't mind!

      e) Like I've said above, the recipe to getting those pro-Hans idiots to see that Hans is really just plainly evil, no good in his heart is for the sequel to have him just evil, evil, evil.

      f) In contrast, I've got a good Hans idea:

      During his imprisonement, Hans escapes and stumbles into an old temple after his flee. He becomes attracted to a mirror and crosses it. Suddenly, he finds a clone of him, only this one is nice.

      The idea came because I thought it would be hilarious if the King of the Southern Isles' guards caught the good Hans clone, but then Hans comes and kills them. I just think that the confusion would be good, because we'd be thinking is this the nice one or the real Hans, the COMPLETELY EVIL!

      As I said, I think I see who is the sociopath here... And you still keep repeating only the facts that happened in the movie, but you're still missing important points, which makes you look like you're a 14 year old...Anyway I'm not gonna read your comment one bit, cause you're too immature to discuss with... Anyone have his own opinion.. And I already expressed mine...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..
      a) No, he doesn't deserve a second chance. He had his chance and he blew it.
      b) Elsa was shutting Anna out FOR HER OWN GOOD!/POUR SON BIEN! You know those words! I can translate in French if you don't speak English! after she hurt her physically with her powers, oh and also, it was her parents' orders. Hans, on the other hand, left Anna to die because he wanted her and Elsa DEAD/MORTES.

      c) If Hans was really killing Elsa because he thought he had to for the sake of the kingdom and that he personally didn't want to, WHY DID HE HAVE A HUGE SMILE ON HIS FACE?/POURQUOI AVAIT-IL UN GRAND SOURIRE AU VISAGE?. I'm sorry but someone who had to kill someone but didn't want to would close his eyes or look away while completing the act. Did Hans close his eyes or look away? NO!/NON!

      d) Excuse me, mister, but my grades are B+ I'D LIKE TO SEE YOURS! So stop insulting me, Nikolajik, Wolf 91, among others, if you don't mind!

      e) Like I've said above, the recipe to getting those pro-Hans idiots to see that Hans is really just plainly evil, no good in his heart is for the sequel to have him just evil, evil, evil.

      f) In contrast, I've got a good Hans idea:

      During his imprisonement, Hans escapes and stumbles into an old temple after his flee. He becomes attracted to a mirror and crosses it. Suddenly, he finds a clone of him, only this one is nice.

      The idea came because I thought it would be hilarious if the King of the Southern Isles' guards caught the good Hans clone, but then Hans comes and kills them. I just think that the confusion would be good, because we'd be thinking is this the nice one or the real Hans, the COMPLETELY EVIL!

      As I said, I think I see who is the sociopath here... And you still keep repeating only the facts that happened in the movie, but you're still missing important points, which makes you look like you're a 14 year old...Anyway I'm not gonna read your comment one bit, cause you're too immature to discuss with... Anyone have his own opinion.. And I already expressed mine...

      I'm starting to seriously consider reporting you to Wikia (not because we don't have the same views on Hans, no. Because you are constantly insulting me. So watch your words, pal!)

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    • I read your stupid post and see that none of your points are valid. When you are winning, will you be turning away? NO!!!! You will be smiling, sometimes even ith an evil grin. I know that, sometimes when I feel the victory I want to grin like villain. Your idea is awful and I won't even comment on it. You said he blew his second chance? Can you count? In french at least? He had only one. Now, about your french-are you trying to show off your skills? I know english, azeri, russian, spanish, french and arabic but I don't speak them because I am not bashful. You call me a pro-Hans idiot??? Since when having his own opinion means being an idiot? Walt Disney Animation Studios are likely to redeem Hans for 2nd part (there were rumors, and there is always small truth in rumors). Will you call them pro-Hans idiots. I told you: the sequel needs morale. In mine love conquers everything, and there is always 2nd chance. You want him to die or again try and kill sisters. Why?  Moreover, what about grades? No one needs to know your grades. If someone asks you your grade it doesn't mean they want them. It is called irony, you know? No, you don't.  I respect everyone's opinion including wolf's even though he just wants Hans to return and gain revenge. In every post he writes: "Hans should return as a villain. Hans should return as a villain"

      But "the only frozen heart around here is yours" Sadly I cannot do the same thing Anna did to Hans at the end but if I had a chance I would take it... On the second thought, you are a real sociopath ( and you cannot believe that we want to redeem one person but not YOU) and you would bring a chainsaw and kill me with it. I don't believe that I spent so much writing to you but you wanted attention (all sociopaths want it) so I gave it to you. SO NOW, EITHER RESPECT OUR OPINION OR GO TO HELL. Of course, everyone here would prefer the latter decision...

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    • I think that Hans getting a second chance (and obviously, he will attempt to kill Anna and Elsa, either to rule Arendelle or for revenge) isn't such a bad idea. I mean, it would prove anti-Hans right.

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..
      But remamber Elsa did thous thing by accadent. Hans did hurt Elsa and Anna on purpos. Also he did't seem mad or scared or stressed when he left Anna and tryed to kill Elsa he seemd like he was enjoying their suffering as evedent by the big smile on his face when he reviled to Anna that he was only useing her, then left her to die and told Elsa that she killed Anna to make her feel bad before killing her.
      OMG you keep repeating and repeating the same thing, which is what Hans did!!! Enough!!! I know what happened, I've seen the movie, like, 8 times!!!! You still fail to understand his motives behind his actions... If there was another way to become King, without manipulating Elsa and Anna, he would have done it... He's bad and he's FORCED to act bad, because it's the only way to take over the Kingdom and he did ALL that, because he was spending all his life being ignored and treated unfairly by his OWN  family... That doesn't mean that he can't have a change of heart in the sequel, regret about his actions and turn out to be a good guy eventually... And him pairing up with Elsa would be the perfect idea!!! Now stop this conversation!!! Enough already.. I'm tired of seeing this thread every time in my notifications... It's just a movie... 
      Exactly I keep reminding you and you still say Hans has a chance with Elsa. Also why did he even need to be king, it probobly was't his family because their is no proof he was naglacted because brother (and all sibilings for that matter) ignore, argue, or fight with each other all the time as I said before it's called sibiling rivalry ( wich is not only very commen but a part of growing up sibiling rivalry is not the same as abuse or naglact. Also how do we even know Hans was bad from something that happend to him when he was a kid, he could have just been born bad, belive it or not their are some bad people (in real life even) who had normal even happy childhoods. Also I am awar that Frozen is just a movie but what I want to know is do you know that because you have been kinda dramatic when you argu that Hans will redeem. Sorry I am upsetting you so much.
      You're not upsetting me at all.. I'm actually laughing at your point of view... Anyway, you don't know in what way were his brothers neglecting him... Trying to excuse his brothers to make him being born bad is just stupid.. Obviously he was neglected and treated badly enough to become so desperate, so that to do all those horrible things... Now stop with this conversation... I'm tired of having this in my notifications... Period...

      Then unfollow! You know, at the top, there's a Following tab: go on it, it will then change to Unfollow, and click on it!

      and leave us to discuss how Hans is really inside. An evil, manipulative, sadistic, two-faced villain.

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    • Didjey Disantales wrote:
      I read your stupid post and see that none of your points are valid. When you are winning, will you be turning away? NO!!!! You will be smiling, sometimes even ith an evil grin. I know that, sometimes when I feel the victory I want to grin like villain. Your idea is awful and I won't even comment on it. You said he blew his second chance? Can you count? In french at least? He had only one. Now, about your french-are you trying to show off your skills? I know english, azeri, russian, spanish, french and arabic but I don't speak them because I am not bashful. You call me a pro-Hans idiot??? Since when having his own opinion means being an idiot? Walt Disney Animation Studios are likely to redeem Hans for 2nd part (there were rumors, and there is always small truth in rumors). Will you call them pro-Hans idiots. I told you: the sequel needs morale. In mine love conquers everything, and there is always 2nd chance. You want him to die or again try and kill sisters. Why?  Moreover, what about grades? No one needs to know your grades. If someone asks you your grade it doesn't mean they want them. It is called irony, you know? No, you don't.  I respect everyone's opinion including wolf's even though he just wants Hans to return and gain revenge. In every post he writes: "Hans should return as a villain. Hans should return as a villain"

      But "the only frozen heart around here is yours" Sadly I cannot do the same thing Anna did to Hans at the end but if I had a chance I would take it... On the second thought, you are a real sociopath ( and you cannot believe that we want to redeem one person but not YOU) and you would bring a chainsaw and kill me with it. I don't believe that I spent so much writing to you but you wanted attention (all sociopaths want it) so I gave it to you. SO NOW, EITHER RESPECT OUR OPINION OR GO TO HELL. Of course, everyone here would prefer the latter decision...

      Right! I'm reporting you!

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    • And for your information, Stratos call us anti-Hans idiots, so if he's allowed to say that we're idiots because of your opinion, I'll just return the favor. Simple.

      Also, I've sent the report, since what you've said to me is, in my opinion, harassment.

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    • Didjey Disantales wrote:
      I read your stupid post and see that none of your points are valid. When you are winning, will you be turning away? NO!!!! You will be smiling, sometimes even ith an evil grin. I know that, sometimes when I feel the victory I want to grin like villain. Your idea is awful and I won't even comment on it. You said he blew his second chance? Can you count? In french at least? He had only one. Now, about your french-are you trying to show off your skills? I know english, azeri, russian, spanish, french and arabic but I don't speak them because I am not bashful. You call me a pro-Hans idiot??? Since when having his own opinion means being an idiot? Walt Disney Animation Studios are likely to redeem Hans for 2nd part (there were rumors, and there is always small truth in rumors). Will you call them pro-Hans idiots. I told you: the sequel needs morale. In mine love conquers everything, and there is always 2nd chance. You want him to die or again try and kill sisters. Why?  Moreover, what about grades? No one needs to know your grades. If someone asks you your grade it doesn't mean they want them. It is called irony, you know? No, you don't.  I respect everyone's opinion including wolf's even though he just wants Hans to return and gain revenge. In every post he writes: "Hans should return as a villain. Hans should return as a villain"

      But "the only frozen heart around here is yours" Sadly I cannot do the same thing Anna did to Hans at the end but if I had a chance I would take it... On the second thought, you are a real sociopath ( and you cannot believe that we want to redeem one person but not YOU) and you would bring a chainsaw and kill me with it. I don't believe that I spent so much writing to you but you wanted attention (all sociopaths want it) so I gave it to you. SO NOW, EITHER RESPECT OUR OPINION OR GO TO HELL. Of course, everyone here would prefer the latter decision...

      Never did I say that Hans had had a second chance, I said he had A chance. I for one aren't keen to give second chances (you may have experienced this, since I reported you WITHOUT giving you a second chance).

      Anyway, hopefully, Wikia will give you a little warning, you'll realize that it wasn't right to harass a fellow user like that, and we can shake hands (well, we won't be able to since you may live in America or Australia, but anyway, we can forget you ever posted that and move on. Okay?)

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    • Didjey Disantales wrote:
      I read your stupid post and see that none of your points are valid. When you are winning, will you be turning away? NO!!!! You will be smiling, sometimes even ith an evil grin. I know that, sometimes when I feel the victory I want to grin like villain. Your idea is awful and I won't even comment on it. You said he blew his second chance? Can you count? In french at least? He had only one. Now, about your french-are you trying to show off your skills? I know english, azeri, russian, spanish, french and arabic but I don't speak them because I am not bashful. You call me a pro-Hans idiot??? Since when having his own opinion means being an idiot? Walt Disney Animation Studios are likely to redeem Hans for 2nd part (there were rumors, and there is always small truth in rumors). Will you call them pro-Hans idiots. I told you: the sequel needs morale. In mine love conquers everything, and there is always 2nd chance. You want him to die or again try and kill sisters. Why?  Moreover, what about grades? No one needs to know your grades. If someone asks you your grade it doesn't mean they want them. It is called irony, you know? No, you don't.  I respect everyone's opinion including wolf's even though he just wants Hans to return and gain revenge. In every post he writes: "Hans should return as a villain. Hans should return as a villain"

      But "the only frozen heart around here is yours" Sadly I cannot do the same thing Anna did to Hans at the end but if I had a chance I would take it... On the second thought, you are a real sociopath ( and you cannot believe that we want to redeem one person but not YOU) and you would bring a chainsaw and kill me with it. I don't believe that I spent so much writing to you but you wanted attention (all sociopaths want it) so I gave it to you. SO NOW, EITHER RESPECT OUR OPINION OR GO TO HELL. Of course, everyone here would prefer the latter decision...

      I'm going to reply to everything:

      A) When you're winning, yes, you don't turn away. But when you're killing someone and that you DON'T WANT TO DO IT, then you don't really want to look at yourself killing the person, do you?

      B) I replied to that in another post

      C) Also replied to that

      D) I never said I wanted him to die, I just said that he should come back AS A VILLAIN and be more evil, so that this pure evil/misunderstood circus can end.

      E) If you're really convinced that I've done evil things, do some research. Is the name Taylor Jago mentionned anywhere (apart for my wikia account)? No! Because I'm not worth a mention on Google or Wikipedia since I've never done much out of the ordinary! And neither do I want one!

      F) I don't need to be redeemed, I've never done anything to be redeemed for!

      My salutations, Didjey Disantales, and have a good day. Au revoir!

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    • Please, let's not flame or be insane about any opinions. Try thinking positive, and that goes for views on Hans too!

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:

      D) I never said I wanted him to die, I just said that he should come back AS A VILLAIN and be more evil, so that this pure evil/misunderstood circus can end.

      Hans should absolutely not return as a villain for a number of reasons. There is neither reason or means for him to do so in–story, and creatively going that route would be both incredibly creatively lazy and a mean–spirited oversimplification of a complex character whose role as an antagonist is played–out, having hinged on a reveal that is now "spent", and who should thus be given a more positive role if revisited.

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Didjey Disantales wrote:
      I read your stupid post and see that none of your points are valid. When you are winning, will you be turning away? NO!!!! You will be smiling, sometimes even ith an evil grin. I know that, sometimes when I feel the victory I want to grin like villain. Your idea is awful and I won't even comment on it. You said he blew his second chance? Can you count? In french at least? He had only one. Now, about your french-are you trying to show off your skills? I know english, azeri, russian, spanish, french and arabic but I don't speak them because I am not bashful. You call me a pro-Hans idiot??? Since when having his own opinion means being an idiot? Walt Disney Animation Studios are likely to redeem Hans for 2nd part (there were rumors, and there is always small truth in rumors). Will you call them pro-Hans idiots. I told you: the sequel needs morale. In mine love conquers everything, and there is always 2nd chance. You want him to die or again try and kill sisters. Why?  Moreover, what about grades? No one needs to know your grades. If someone asks you your grade it doesn't mean they want them. It is called irony, you know? No, you don't.  I respect everyone's opinion including wolf's even though he just wants Hans to return and gain revenge. In every post he writes: "Hans should return as a villain. Hans should return as a villain"

      But "the only frozen heart around here is yours" Sadly I cannot do the same thing Anna did to Hans at the end but if I had a chance I would take it... On the second thought, you are a real sociopath ( and you cannot believe that we want to redeem one person but not YOU) and you would bring a chainsaw and kill me with it. I don't believe that I spent so much writing to you but you wanted attention (all sociopaths want it) so I gave it to you. SO NOW, EITHER RESPECT OUR OPINION OR GO TO HELL. Of course, everyone here would prefer the latter decision...

      I'm going to reply to everything:

      A) When you're winning, yes, you don't turn away. But when you're killing someone and that you DON'T WANT TO DO IT, then you don't really want to look at yourself killing the person, do you?

      B) I replied to that in another post

      C) Also replied to that

      D) I never said I wanted him to die, I just said that he should come back AS A VILLAIN and be more evil, so that this pure evil/misunderstood circus can end.

      E) If you're really convinced that I've done evil things, do some research. Is the name Taylor Jago mentionned anywhere (apart for my wikia account)? No! Because I'm not worth a mention on Google or Wikipedia since I've never done much out of the ordinary! And neither do I want one!

      F) I don't need to be redeemed, I've never done anything to be redeemed for!

      My salutations, Didjey Disantales, and have a good day. Au revoir!

      Oh my God...... I seriously can't believe that people like you even exist... You ARE seriously a sociopath... And the biggest retarded person I've EVER met.. There, go ahead, report me, I don't give a damn, I made you angry and I'm happy with it... I'm not gonna even try to reply to you anymore... I just pity the people who live beside you.... And btw, Hnas should definitely get redeemed and pair up with Elsa in the sequel.. Threre, I hope I made you angry enough... I'm now eagerly waiting for your immature answer...

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      OK, it's time to end up this thread.. Clearly this thread is against Hans-flavour based, so trying to convince you that deep inside he's not bad is pointless... But for all you idiots who say that Hans doesn't deserve a second chance, I'm gonna say that I'm very dissapointed with you, not because of your opinion(anyone can have whatever opinion he/she wants), but because it's so obvious that you didn't understand anything from the movie... And that's sad... Frozen is not only about loving your siblings, but also about trying to forgive everyone, no matter how bad he was and hurted you... Elsa did hurt Anna both mentally(by shuting her out) and physically, just like Hans.. But I don't see anyone complaining about Elsa being a sociopath.. OH YEAH, I forgot, Elsa was her sister and they reconciled, so she's excused!!! If there is to be a sequel, Hans may be reconciled with them too.. And if that happens, everyone is gonna be like "Awww he was good after all"... It's funny that they'll see it then and they're not seeing it now... "People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed"... Figure that out... And yeah, I'm so happy  that's it's in Disney's plans to redeem Hans... Cause no matter how bad he was, there were essential motives behind his "badness", unlike other villains, like Gaston, Jafar, Ursula or Scar... And to be frank here, no one died in the end.. So yeah, he definitely deserves a second chance... Peace..
      But remamber Elsa did thous thing by accadent. Hans did hurt Elsa and Anna on purpos. Also he did't seem mad or scared or stressed when he left Anna and tryed to kill Elsa he seemd like he was enjoying their suffering as evedent by the big smile on his face when he reviled to Anna that he was only useing her, then left her to die and told Elsa that she killed Anna to make her feel bad before killing her.
      OMG you keep repeating and repeating the same thing, which is what Hans did!!! Enough!!! I know what happened, I've seen the movie, like, 8 times!!!! You still fail to understand his motives behind his actions... If there was another way to become King, without manipulating Elsa and Anna, he would have done it... He's bad and he's FORCED to act bad, because it's the only way to take over the Kingdom and he did ALL that, because he was spending all his life being ignored and treated unfairly by his OWN  family... That doesn't mean that he can't have a change of heart in the sequel, regret about his actions and turn out to be a good guy eventually... And him pairing up with Elsa would be the perfect idea!!! Now stop this conversation!!! Enough already.. I'm tired of seeing this thread every time in my notifications... It's just a movie... 
      Exactly I keep reminding you and you still say Hans has a chance with Elsa. Also why did he even need to be king, it probobly was't his family because their is no proof he was naglacted because brother (and all sibilings for that matter) ignore, argue, or fight with each other all the time as I said before it's called sibiling rivalry ( wich is not only very commen but a part of growing up sibiling rivalry is not the same as abuse or naglact. Also how do we even know Hans was bad from something that happend to him when he was a kid, he could have just been born bad, belive it or not their are some bad people (in real life even) who had normal even happy childhoods. Also I am awar that Frozen is just a movie but what I want to know is do you know that because you have been kinda dramatic when you argu that Hans will redeem. Sorry I am upsetting you so much.
      You're not upsetting me at all.. I'm actually laughing at your point of view... Anyway, you don't know in what way were his brothers neglecting him... Trying to excuse his brothers to make him being born bad is just stupid.. Obviously he was neglected and treated badly enough to become so desperate, so that to do all those horrible things... Now stop with this conversation... I'm tired of having this in my notifications... Period...
      Then unfollow! You know, at the top, there's a Following tab: go on it, it will then change to Unfollow, and click on it!

      and leave us to discuss how Hans is really inside. An evil, manipulative, sadistic, two-faced villain.

      I'm not gonna unfollow... ever.. If you're butthurt much, then you unfollow...

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:

      Then unfollow! You know, at the top, there's a Following tab: go on it, it will then change to Unfollow, and click on it!

      and leave us to discuss how Hans is really inside. An evil, manipulative, sadistic, two-faced villain.

      > Attempting to cut off the conversation while still insisting that you're right and he's wrong rather than, you know, being civil and respectful.

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    • ResonX wrote:

      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:

      Then unfollow! You know, at the top, there's a Following tab: go on it, it will then change to Unfollow, and click on it!

      and leave us to discuss how Hans is really inside. An evil, manipulative, sadistic, two-faced villain.

      > Attempting to cut off the conversation while still insisting that you're right and he's wrong rather than, you know, being civil and respectful.

      Leave him.. He's gone full retard...

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    • Didjey Disantales wrote:
      I read your stupid post and see that none of your points are valid. When you are winning, will you be turning away? NO!!!! You will be smiling, sometimes even ith an evil grin. I know that, sometimes when I feel the victory I want to grin like villain. Your idea is awful and I won't even comment on it. You said he blew his second chance? Can you count? In french at least? He had only one. Now, about your french-are you trying to show off your skills? I know english, azeri, russian, spanish, french and arabic but I don't speak them because I am not bashful. You call me a pro-Hans idiot??? Since when having his own opinion means being an idiot? Walt Disney Animation Studios are likely to redeem Hans for 2nd part (there were rumors, and there is always small truth in rumors). Will you call them pro-Hans idiots. I told you: the sequel needs morale. In mine love conquers everything, and there is always 2nd chance. You want him to die or again try and kill sisters. Why?  Moreover, what about grades? No one needs to know your grades. If someone asks you your grade it doesn't mean they want them. It is called irony, you know? No, you don't.  I respect everyone's opinion including wolf's even though he just wants Hans to return and gain revenge. In every post he writes: "Hans should return as a villain. Hans should return as a villain"

      But "the only frozen heart around here is yours" Sadly I cannot do the same thing Anna did to Hans at the end but if I had a chance I would take it... On the second thought, you are a real sociopath ( and you cannot believe that we want to redeem one person but not YOU) and you would bring a chainsaw and kill me with it. I don't believe that I spent so much writing to you but you wanted attention (all sociopaths want it) so I gave it to you. SO NOW, EITHER RESPECT OUR OPINION OR GO TO HELL. Of course, everyone here would prefer the latter decision...

      THANK YOU!!! Finally someone who isn't retarded here...

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    • Did you really need to write so much? Anyway, I am not exactly afraid of your report, since there were no harassments. On the other hand, you called me idiot, which IS harassment. This is worth mentioning to admins. I won't do that though. I think it is in our nature: I always give people 2nd chance but you don't. Frankly I don't care.

      Anyway, sorry if I offended you, but I guess I don't like being called idiot for nothing. Let's just forget it okay and shake our hands (I am in UAE, Dubai but will move to Autralia). I think I became overheated a bit. I believe we should stop arguing  over some fictional character. Hans is not worth it, especially since he is a villain. Cheers, and sorry again if I  abused you. I have some anger management issues sometimes and I can go mad very easy :D

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    • Didjey Disantales wrote:
      Did you really need to write so much? Anyway, I am not exactly afraid of your report, since there were no harassments. On the other hand, you called me idiot, which IS harassment. This is worth mentioning to admins. I won't do that though. I think it is in our nature: I always give people 2nd chance but you don't. Frankly I don't care.

      Anyway, sorry if I offended you, but I guess I don't like being called idiot for nothing. Let's just forget it okay and shake our hands (I am in UAE, Dubai but will move to Autralia). I think I became overheated a bit. I believe we should stop arguing  over some fictional character. Hans is not worth it, especially since he is a villain. Cheers, and sorry again if I  abused you. I have some anger management issues sometimes and I can go mad very easy :D

      You don't need to apologize... Especially to people like him.. You're the one who's right here, not him... Anyway, I agree that we shouldn't argue over a fictional character like THAT, but it's a good thing to express our opinions about Hans and I think it's really worth it, especially if he's not even an "actual" and solid villain, but just misunderstood!!!! Anyway, cheers!!! ;)

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Didjey Disantales wrote:
      Did you really need to write so much? Anyway, I am not exactly afraid of your report, since there were no harassments. On the other hand, you called me idiot, which IS harassment. This is worth mentioning to admins. I won't do that though. I think it is in our nature: I always give people 2nd chance but you don't. Frankly I don't care.

      Anyway, sorry if I offended you, but I guess I don't like being called idiot for nothing. Let's just forget it okay and shake our hands (I am in UAE, Dubai but will move to Autralia). I think I became overheated a bit. I believe we should stop arguing  over some fictional character. Hans is not worth it, especially since he is a villain. Cheers, and sorry again if I  abused you. I have some anger management issues sometimes and I can go mad very easy :D

      You don't need to apologize... Especially to people like him.. You're the one who's right here, not him... Anyway, I agree that we shouldn't argue over a fictional character like THAT, but it's a good thing to express our opinions about Hans and I think it's really worth it, especially if he's not even an "actual" and solid villain, but just misunderstood!!!! Anyway, cheers!!! ;)

      Um I don't mean to start another argument but Hans is an actual villain.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:

      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Didjey Disantales wrote:
      Did you really need to write so much? Anyway, I am not exactly afraid of your report, since there were no harassments. On the other hand, you called me idiot, which IS harassment. This is worth mentioning to admins. I won't do that though. I think it is in our nature: I always give people 2nd chance but you don't. Frankly I don't care.

      Anyway, sorry if I offended you, but I guess I don't like being called idiot for nothing. Let's just forget it okay and shake our hands (I am in UAE, Dubai but will move to Autralia). I think I became overheated a bit. I believe we should stop arguing  over some fictional character. Hans is not worth it, especially since he is a villain. Cheers, and sorry again if I  abused you. I have some anger management issues sometimes and I can go mad very easy :D

      You don't need to apologize... Especially to people like him.. You're the one who's right here, not him... Anyway, I agree that we shouldn't argue over a fictional character like THAT, but it's a good thing to express our opinions about Hans and I think it's really worth it, especially if he's not even an "actual" and solid villain, but just misunderstood!!!! Anyway, cheers!!! ;)

      Um I don't mean to start another argument but Hans is an actual villain.

      Agreed in the sense that he's not "misunderstood", but he is capable and worthy as a person and as a character of future atonement.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Didjey Disantales wrote:
      Did you really need to write so much? Anyway, I am not exactly afraid of your report, since there were no harassments. On the other hand, you called me idiot, which IS harassment. This is worth mentioning to admins. I won't do that though. I think it is in our nature: I always give people 2nd chance but you don't. Frankly I don't care.

      Anyway, sorry if I offended you, but I guess I don't like being called idiot for nothing. Let's just forget it okay and shake our hands (I am in UAE, Dubai but will move to Autralia). I think I became overheated a bit. I believe we should stop arguing  over some fictional character. Hans is not worth it, especially since he is a villain. Cheers, and sorry again if I  abused you. I have some anger management issues sometimes and I can go mad very easy :D

      You don't need to apologize... Especially to people like him.. You're the one who's right here, not him... Anyway, I agree that we shouldn't argue over a fictional character like THAT, but it's a good thing to express our opinions about Hans and I think it's really worth it, especially if he's not even an "actual" and solid villain, but just misunderstood!!!! Anyway, cheers!!! ;)
      Um I don't mean to start another argument but Hans is an actual villain.

      That's your opinion and I 100% respect it, unlike Taylor iago 16.06's opinion...

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    • Didjey Disantales wrote:
      On the second thought, you are a real sociopath ( and you cannot believe that we want to redeem one person but not YOU)

      Are you saying right now is Hans IS a sociopath?

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:

      Didjey Disantales wrote:
      On the second thought, you are a real sociopath ( and you cannot believe that we want to redeem one person but not YOU)

      Are you saying right now is Hans IS a sociopath?

      He was going off at you for being a jerk.

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    • ResonX wrote:

      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:

      D) I never said I wanted him to die, I just said that he should come back AS A VILLAIN and be more evil, so that this pure evil/misunderstood circus can end.

      Hans should absolutely not return as a villain for a number of reasons. There is neither reason or means for him to do so in–story, and creatively going that route would be both incredibly creatively lazy and a mean–spirited oversimplification of a complex character whose role as an antagonist is played–out, having hinged on a reveal that is now "spent", and who should thus be given a more positive role if revisited.

      You know, you're right, we should have a new villain and Hans should get exiled for his crimes, end up meeting the new villain and striking some sort of alliance with them.

      The only one I see him reforming is if he's treated like a slave by said villain.

      I think he shouldn't be the MAIN antagonist in the sequel to Frozen. Just a minor one.

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      ResonX wrote:

      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:

      D) I never said I wanted him to die, I just said that he should come back AS A VILLAIN and be more evil, so that this pure evil/misunderstood circus can end.

      Hans should absolutely not return as a villain for a number of reasons. There is neither reason or means for him to do so in–story, and creatively going that route would be both incredibly creatively lazy and a mean–spirited oversimplification of a complex character whose role as an antagonist is played–out, having hinged on a reveal that is now "spent", and who should thus be given a more positive role if revisited.
      You know, you're right, we should have a new villain and Hans should get exiled for his crimes, end up meeting the new villain and striking some sort of alliance with them.

      The only one I see him reforming is if he's treated like a slave by said villain.

      I think he shouldn't be the MAIN antagonist in the sequel to Frozen. Just a minor one.

      Keep dreaming that...

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    • I think there will be a new villain too.

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    • Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.

      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)

      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):

      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):

      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually a good idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):

      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??

      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.

      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)

      Redeeming Hans would be unfair to the other Disney, Pixar and Marvel villans because they did't get redeemd but wanting to redeem Hans cause he is handsome looking that just is't right. Also I don't think Hans was nagacted by his brothers cause like he said "It's what brothers do."

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Redeeming Hans would be unfair to the other Disney, Pixar and Marvel villans because they did't get redeemd but wanting to redeem Hans cause he is handsome looking that just is't right. Also I don't think Hans was nagacted by his brothers cause like he said "It's what brothers do."

      Marvel villains can't be redeemed, cause they're comic book characters... Their story has been told 60 years ago... And previous Disney villains can't be redeemed either, cause their stories have already been told... Hans on the other way is a fresh new character, so he has high possibilities to get redeemed.. Also, he said "It's what brothers do", to throw ash in Anna's eyes...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Redeeming Hans would be unfair to the other Disney, Pixar and Marvel villans because they did't get redeemd but wanting to redeem Hans cause he is handsome looking that just is't right. Also I don't think Hans was nagacted by his brothers cause like he said "It's what brothers do."
      Marvel villains can't be redeemed, cause they're comic book characters... Their story has been told 60 years ago... And previous Disney villains can't be redeemed either, cause their stories have already been told... Hans on the other way is a fresh new character, so he has high possibilities to get redeemed.. Also, he said "It's what brothers do", to throw ash in Anna's eyes...

      What do you mean "to throw ash in Anna's eyes"

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Redeeming Hans would be unfair to the other Disney, Pixar and Marvel villans because they did't get redeemd but wanting to redeem Hans cause he is handsome looking that just is't right. Also I don't think Hans was nagacted by his brothers cause like he said "It's what brothers do."
      Marvel villains can't be redeemed, cause they're comic book characters... Their story has been told 60 years ago... And previous Disney villains can't be redeemed either, cause their stories have already been told... Hans on the other way is a fresh new character, so he has high possibilities to get redeemed.. Also, he said "It's what brothers do", to throw ash in Anna's eyes...
      What do you mean "to throw ash in Anna's eyes"

      To lay down her guard, to make himself more relatable to her.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Redeeming Hans would be unfair to the other Disney, Pixar and Marvel villans because they did't get redeemd but wanting to redeem Hans cause he is handsome looking that just is't right. Also I don't think Hans was nagacted by his brothers cause like he said "It's what brothers do."
      Marvel villains can't be redeemed, cause they're comic book characters... Their story has been told 60 years ago... And previous Disney villains can't be redeemed either, cause their stories have already been told... Hans on the other way is a fresh new character, so he has high possibilities to get redeemed.. Also, he said "It's what brothers do", to throw ash in Anna's eyes...
      What do you mean "to throw ash in Anna's eyes"

      I mean that he said that, to show Anna that he wasn't annoyed and disturbed by his brothers' behavior, when in reality he was...

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)

      Look at it this way:

      Clan A, Clan B and Clan C are sworn enemies. Clan B eventually vanquish Clan C.

      Does the fact that Clan B have vanquished Clan C, the enemies of Clan A, make Clan B an ally of Clan A?

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Redeeming Hans would be unfair to the other Disney, Pixar and Marvel villans because they did't get redeemd but wanting to redeem Hans cause he is handsome looking that just is't right. Also I don't think Hans was nagacted by his brothers cause like he said "It's what brothers do."
      Marvel villains can't be redeemed, cause they're comic book characters... Their story has been told 60 years ago... And previous Disney villains can't be redeemed either, cause their stories have already been told... Hans on the other way is a fresh new character, so he has high possibilities to get redeemed.. Also, he said "It's what brothers do", to throw ash in Anna's eyes...
      What do you mean "to throw ash in Anna's eyes"
      I mean that he said that, to show Anna that he wasn't annoyed and disturbed by his brothers' behavior, when in reality he was...

      But would't he be able to menipulate Anna even more if she had felt simpaphy for him and woulden't Anna had felt more simpaphy for him him if she thaut that he was botherd by his brothers treatment of him.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Redeeming Hans would be unfair to the other Disney, Pixar and Marvel villans because they did't get redeemd but wanting to redeem Hans cause he is handsome looking that just is't right. Also I don't think Hans was nagacted by his brothers cause like he said "It's what brothers do."
      Marvel villains can't be redeemed, cause they're comic book characters... Their story has been told 60 years ago... And previous Disney villains can't be redeemed either, cause their stories have already been told... Hans on the other way is a fresh new character, so he has high possibilities to get redeemed.. Also, he said "It's what brothers do", to throw ash in Anna's eyes...
      What do you mean "to throw ash in Anna's eyes"
      I mean that he said that, to show Anna that he wasn't annoyed and disturbed by his brothers' behavior, when in reality he was...
      But would't he be able to menipulate Anna even more if she had felt simpaphy for him and woulden't Anna had felt more simpaphy for him him if she thaut that he was botherd by his brothers treatment of him.

      She would and she did, because Hans indeed manipulated her.. Again, I'm not saying that Hans is not a bad guy, I'm just saying that he has true and justified motives behind his actions and that's why there is a possibility for him to regret about his actions and get redemmed in a sequel.. He just needs one chance and a new villain would be the perfect one for him!!

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Look at it this way:

      Clan A, Clan B and Clan C are sworn enemies. Clan B eventually vanquish Clan C.

      Does the fact that Clan B have vanquished Clan C, the enemies of Clan A, make Clan B an ally of Clan A?

      I totally understand what you're saying. Clan A is Elsa, Arendelle, etc., Clan B is Hans and Clan C is Stuart. Stuart comes to take over Arendelle and Hans stops him, defeating him... I know that he didn't save Arendelle by choice, but because he was an anemy with Stuart. But wouldn't be awesome, if Hans defeats Stuart in front of the whole kingdom and then has a change of heart and regrets his actions in Frozen?!?!?!?!? I mean c'mon!!!!! Can't you imagine the scene!?!?!?!?!? Hans destroying Stuart, half-alive and half-dead, critically injured!!!! Then he kneels down in front of Elsa, due to his weakness, shreds a tear and says "I'm, sorry... For everything..." Then he passes out and Elsa takes care of him!! He then wakes up, reconciles with her(and all the kingdom) and they pair up together!!!! Wouldn't that be perfect!?!?!?!?? <3

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Look at it this way:
      Clan A, Clan B and Clan C are sworn enemies. Clan B eventually vanquish Clan C.

      Does the fact that Clan B have vanquished Clan C, the enemies of Clan A, make Clan B an ally of Clan A?

      I totally understand what you're saying. Clan A is Elsa, Arendelle, etc., Clan B is Hans and Clan C is Stuart. Stuart comes to take over Arendelle and Hans stops him, defeating him... I know that he didn't save Arendelle by choice, but because he was an anemy with Stuart. But wouldn't be awesome, if Hans defeats Stuart in front of the whole kingdom and then has a change of heart and regrets his actions in Frozen?!?!?!?!? I mean c'mon!!!!! Can't you imagine the scene!?!?!?!?!? Hans destroying Stuart, half-alive and half-dead, critically injured!!!! Then he kneels down in front of Elsa, due to his weakness, shreds a tear and says "I'm, sorry... For everything..." Then he passes out and Elsa takes care of him!! He then wakes up, reconciles with her(and all the kingdom) and they pair up together!!!! Wouldn't that be perfect!?!?!?!?? <3


      I'm still not keen on Helsa, and in this case it isn't actually possible. I'll explain why:

      Hans wasn't released from prison, he escaped from prison: he's a fugitive. Since he's a fugitive, loads of people are looking for him, there are "Reward for turning in Hans" posters on walls. And if caught, there's a good chance he would end up executed. So if he did stay in at the castle in Arendelle (and also, Arendelle is likely to be the first place the research team look), he'd probably be caught, and not only that, Elsa would be charged with harboring a fugitive. It wouldn't be good for either of them.

      And in my view, Hans doesn't actually know Stuart is evil. He merely comes to apologize to him for overreacting for the whole death sentence case (he comes masked or disguised to pass unnoticed). Stuart, who always tries to rid himself of anyone in his way, grazes/injures Hans. The cat and mouse chase starts and ends when Hans slays Stuart.

      It's up to us here to consider whether Hans killed Stuart for Arendelle in spite of his injury, or because of his injury.

      Elsa then comes up to him (not knowing who he is) and thanks him for saving the kingdom and offers to have the castle doctor heal his injuries.

      Dialogue:

      Hans - "I've got to get out of here" or something.

      Elsa - Please, let me help you in some way. After all, you saved my people!

      Hans - You can help me running away, if you wish.

      Elsa - There's my ice castle up the North Mountain. You can take refuge there. Beware of Marshmallow, though.

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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Look at it this way:
      Clan A, Clan B and Clan C are sworn enemies. Clan B eventually vanquish Clan C.

      Does the fact that Clan B have vanquished Clan C, the enemies of Clan A, make Clan B an ally of Clan A?

      I totally understand what you're saying. Clan A is Elsa, Arendelle, etc., Clan B is Hans and Clan C is Stuart. Stuart comes to take over Arendelle and Hans stops him, defeating him... I know that he didn't save Arendelle by choice, but because he was an anemy with Stuart. But wouldn't be awesome, if Hans defeats Stuart in front of the whole kingdom and then has a change of heart and regrets his actions in Frozen?!?!?!?!? I mean c'mon!!!!! Can't you imagine the scene!?!?!?!?!? Hans destroying Stuart, half-alive and half-dead, critically injured!!!! Then he kneels down in front of Elsa, due to his weakness, shreds a tear and says "I'm, sorry... For everything..." Then he passes out and Elsa takes care of him!! He then wakes up, reconciles with her(and all the kingdom) and they pair up together!!!! Wouldn't that be perfect!?!?!?!?? <3

      I'm still not keen on Helsa, and in this case it isn't actually possible. I'll explain why:

      Hans wasn't released from prison, he escaped from prison: he's a fugitive. Since he's a fugitive, loads of people are looking for him, there are "Reward for turning in Hans" posters on walls. And if caught, there's a good chance he would end up executed. So if he did stay in at the castle in Arendelle (and also, Arendelle is likely to be the first place the research team look), he'd probably be caught, and not only that, Elsa would be charged with harboring a fugitive. It wouldn't be good for either of them.

      And in my view, Hans doesn't actually know Stuart is evil. He merely comes to apologize to him for overreacting for the whole death sentence case (he comes masked or disguised to pass unnoticed). Stuart, who always tries to rid himself of anyone in his way, grazes/injures Hans. The cat and mouse chase starts and ends when Hans slays Stuart.

      It's up to us here to consider whether Hans killed Stuart for Arendelle in spite of his injury, or because of his injury.

      Elsa then comes up to him (not knowing who he is) and thanks him for saving the kingdom and offers to have the castle doctor heal his injuries.

      Dialogue:

      Hans - "I've got to get out of here" or something.

      Elsa - Please, let me help you in some way. After all, you saved my people!

      Hans - You can help me running away, if you wish.

      Elsa - There's my ice castle up the North Mountain. You can take refuge there. Beware of Marshmallow, though.

      I don't know... I personally am a kind of romantic type of guy and I have a huge crush on love stories... That's why I want them to pair up together.. It's not just about a stupid girly shipping though... 

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    • Okay guys! I like your ideas and points but must critisize some of them. Nothing personal stratos and taylor, I actually like you guys.

      First, I understand that Helsa is not exactly, and in my sequel there is a late twist which will decide the fate of this relationship.

      Secondly, I don't think Hans is in prison. Yes, he was punished but not imprisoned. He was sent to his brothers and I think they punished him with a community service or house arrest, but prison? Even if your brother commits something illegal, you won't put him in prison, will you? Of course, they pretended he was invisible for some time but even then, you will not put the people you love in prison, even if he did something bad.

      Next, I like your plot about Hans and Stuart. The only problem is-that is not a sequel! You see, in sequel the main antagonists do not go away, same with deuterogonists. If your story is filmed, then we won't see Anna, Kristoff, Sven, Olaf. Even Elsa will be seen for a short time. It may be a good short story, but not a sequel. I know one film-sequel, the 3rd and last installment of trilogy. It was calle Goal! I am sure you heard of it. First two films-OMG! Fantastic! Unfortunately, the third film was more interested in other heroes and Santiago Munez-main antagonist-was almost invisible in this film. The film was a critic disaster and a bad finish to a trilogy.

      In addition, just like I said below, the plot is not interesting to audience. It excites us but not enough. Plus, the film will be greeted negatively by critics, and as Frozen fans we don't want sequel to be a disaster, do we? It will also be a film bomb (when financially the film struggles)

      Sorry guys, if I offended anyone but it was my opinion. Like I said, I spent weeks, planning all possible sequels and I believe that mine deserves to be at least heard. Unfortunately I can't contact them but at least I hope you like it. There will be a late twist in the end and it will give us ideas for Frozen 3

      P.S.

      BREAKING NEWS! Didjey Disantales, director of Academy Award-winning Frozen 2, is said to be working on a sequel. It came as a joy to many Frozen fans, with Frozen 2 surpassing his predecessor in financial and critical success. It won over 50 awards including 7 Academy Awards-the highest by WDAS and any animated film. It is also 8.9 on IMDB and 97% on Rotten Tomatoes. Their revenue is staggering with more than 2.5 billion up to date, making it the highest film and animated film , surpassing Avatar!

      That would be my dream come true :( 

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    • Didjey Disantales wrote:
      Okay guys! I like your ideas and points but must critisize some of them. Nothing personal stratos and taylor, I actually like you guys.

      First, I understand that Helsa is not exactly, and in my sequel there is a late twist which will decide the fate of this relationship.

      Secondly, I don't think Hans is in prison. Yes, he was punished but not imprisoned. He was sent to his brothers and I think they punished him with a community service or house arrest, but prison? Even if your brother commits something illegal, you won't put him in prison, will you? Of course, they pretended he was invisible for some time but even then, you will not put the people you love in prison, even if he did something bad.

      Next, I like your plot about Hans and Stuart. The only problem is-that is not a sequel! You see, in sequel the main antagonists do not go away, same with deuterogonists. If your story is filmed, then we won't see Anna, Kristoff, Sven, Olaf. Even Elsa will be seen for a short time. It may be a good short story, but not a sequel. I know one film-sequel, the 3rd and last installment of trilogy. It was calle Goal! I am sure you heard of it. First two films-OMG! Fantastic! Unfortunately, the third film was more interested in other heroes and Santiago Munez-main antagonist-was almost invisible in this film. The film was a critic disaster and a bad finish to a trilogy.

      In addition, just like I said below, the plot is not interesting to audience. It excites us but not enough. Plus, the film will be greeted negatively by critics, and as Frozen fans we don't want sequel to be a disaster, do we? It will also be a film bomb (when financially the film struggles)

      Sorry guys, if I offended anyone but it was my opinion. Like I said, I spent weeks, planning all possible sequels and I believe that mine deserves to be at least heard. Unfortunately I can't contact them but at least I hope you like it. There will be a late twist in the end and it will give us ideas for Frozen 3

      P.S.

      BREAKING NEWS! Didjey Disantales, director of Academy Award-winning Frozen 2, is said to be working on a sequel. It came as a joy to many Frozen fans, with Frozen 2 surpassing his predecessor in financial and critical success. It won over 50 awards including 7 Academy Awards-the highest by WDAS and any animated film. It is also 8.9 on IMDB and 97% on Rotten Tomatoes. Their revenue is staggering with more than 2.5 billion up to date, making it the highest film and animated film , surpassing Avatar!

      That would be my dream come true :( 




      No worries man!!!! You didn't offend us at all!!!!! And I agree with most of what you said!!! But tbh, I'm not really interested in a Frozen sequel, which will win so many awards and make so much money, surpassing the first one.. I just want a sequel, which wil be highly successful and well received by the audience.. If Disney is up to making that movie, I'm up to watching it too!!!

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Redeeming Hans would be unfair to the other Disney, Pixar and Marvel villans because they did't get redeemd but wanting to redeem Hans cause he is handsome looking that just is't right. Also I don't think Hans was nagacted by his brothers cause like he said "It's what brothers do."
      Marvel villains can't be redeemed, cause they're comic book characters... Their story has been told 60 years ago... And previous Disney villains can't be redeemed either, cause their stories have already been told... Hans on the other way is a fresh new character, so he has high possibilities to get redeemed.. Also, he said "It's what brothers do", to throw ash in Anna's eyes...
      What do you mean "to throw ash in Anna's eyes"
      I mean that he said that, to show Anna that he wasn't annoyed and disturbed by his brothers' behavior, when in reality he was...
      But would't he be able to menipulate Anna even more if she had felt simpaphy for him and woulden't Anna had felt more simpaphy for him him if she thaut that he was botherd by his brothers treatment of him.
      She would and she did, because Hans indeed manipulated her.. Again, I'm not saying that Hans is not a bad guy, I'm just saying that he has true and justified motives behind his actions and that's why there is a possibility for him to regret about his actions and get redemmed in a sequel.. He just needs one chance and a new villain would be the perfect one for him!!

      Even if he did have a bad childhood it dou't mean what he did should be forgoten, Just because your brothers were a little mean to you dous't mean that you can just go around and start menipulating and killing people and as I said before I don't think his brothers were as mean to him as many people seem to think.

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    • Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Didjey Disantales wrote:
      Okay guys! I like your ideas and points but must critisize some of them. Nothing personal stratos and taylor, I actually like you guys.

      First, I understand that Helsa is not exactly, and in my sequel there is a late twist which will decide the fate of this relationship.

      Secondly, I don't think Hans is in prison. Yes, he was punished but not imprisoned. He was sent to his brothers and I think they punished him with a community service or house arrest, but prison? Even if your brother commits something illegal, you won't put him in prison, will you? Of course, they pretended he was invisible for some time but even then, you will not put the people you love in prison, even if he did something bad.

      Next, I like your plot about Hans and Stuart. The only problem is-that is not a sequel! You see, in sequel the main antagonists do not go away, same with deuterogonists. If your story is filmed, then we won't see Anna, Kristoff, Sven, Olaf. Even Elsa will be seen for a short time. It may be a good short story, but not a sequel. I know one film-sequel, the 3rd and last installment of trilogy. It was calle Goal! I am sure you heard of it. First two films-OMG! Fantastic! Unfortunately, the third film was more interested in other heroes and Santiago Munez-main antagonist-was almost invisible in this film. The film was a critic disaster and a bad finish to a trilogy.

      In addition, just like I said below, the plot is not interesting to audience. It excites us but not enough. Plus, the film will be greeted negatively by critics, and as Frozen fans we don't want sequel to be a disaster, do we? It will also be a film bomb (when financially the film struggles)

      Sorry guys, if I offended anyone but it was my opinion. Like I said, I spent weeks, planning all possible sequels and I believe that mine deserves to be at least heard. Unfortunately I can't contact them but at least I hope you like it. There will be a late twist in the end and it will give us ideas for Frozen 3

      P.S.

      BREAKING NEWS! Didjey Disantales, director of Academy Award-winning Frozen 2, is said to be working on a sequel. It came as a joy to many Frozen fans, with Frozen 2 surpassing his predecessor in financial and critical success. It won over 50 awards including 7 Academy Awards-the highest by WDAS and any animated film. It is also 8.9 on IMDB and 97% on Rotten Tomatoes. Their revenue is staggering with more than 2.5 billion up to date, making it the highest film and animated film , surpassing Avatar!

      That would be my dream come true :( 




      No worries man!!!! You didn't offend us at all!!!!! And I agree with most of what you said!!! But tbh, I'm not really interested in a Frozen sequel, which will win so many awards and make so much money, surpassing the first one.. I just want a sequel, which wil be highly successful and well received by the audience.. If Disney is up to making that movie, I'm up to watching it too!!!

      I'm with you when Disney macks a sequle for Frozen I will watch it.

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    • Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Wolf 91 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      Stratos.triadafillidis wrote:
      Kateh159 wrote:
      I think there will be a new villain too.
      I hope so!!! And I hope Hans will come to Arendelle and defeat him, thus redeeming himself!!! ;)
      That's actually not a bad idea. Here's how I see it (I'm calling the villain Stuart):
      Hans and Stuart were old friends but at his trial, he was found guilty and only narrowly escaped a death sentence. He later finds out that Stuart voted for him to be sentenced to death, enraging him and destroying their friendship. This breaks Stuart's heart and makes him turn evil.

      Years later, all is well in the kingdom of Arendelle Stuart surfaces. Meanwhile, Hans escapes his prison.

      Hans, who managed to see the wrongs in his actions, bumps into Stuart, and apologizes for shouting at him, as he sees now that he deserved to be executed. However, the evil Stuart grazes him, making Hans mad. A cat and mouse chase starts, and it ends when Hans vanquishes Stuart.

      Elsa thanks him (in hiding of course) but the Southern Isles' guards who had been sent to capture Hans port in Arendelle and Elsa helps him flee before leaving.


      It's not amazing, but I think it's a fair compromise: the pro-Hans get Hans' redemption, and the anti-Hans get Hans causing Stuart's corruption, making him an indirect antagonist.

      That's actually not a bad idea!!! But if, in your theory, Stuart is the villain and Hans vanquishes him, how does that make Hans an antagonist??
      Hans and Stuart used to be friends.
      So, Hans arrives back to the Southern Isles to face punishment. He goes on trial and is found guilty.   Now, in some cases, to decide whetever the convicted should receive the death penalty or not, they do a vote in the assembly. The majority votes against death penalty for Hans, and he is imprisonned.

      Later, Hans discovers that Stuart voted for him to receive the death penalty. He confronts him and they get into a fiery argument: in this argument, Hans says something that really hits you hard, like "You've lost a friend today" or something. Stuart is devastated and over the course of time he was corrupted. He resigned his post, went into hiding and began his plans to take over the world, which he will execute 10 years later.

      The reason that in the story, Hans is an indirect antagonist is that while he didn't do anything antagonistic toward the protagonists, he indirectly caused the villain's corruption.

      Hmmm.. interesting theory.. Although I don't see how Hans could be called an "antagonist", since he would have defeated the villain, even if he indirectly caused his corruption... I think he would better be called a "hero"... For instance, Hans' brothers are responsible for what Hans turned out to be, but that doesn't make them antagonists, does it?? Nevertheless, it sounds like a very interesting story and I'd love it, if Disney did that or something like that. I can already imagine it being a musical and Hans singing in his cell: "Please open up the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!" lol!!! ;)
      Redeeming Hans would be unfair to the other Disney, Pixar and Marvel villans because they did't get redeemd but wanting to redeem Hans cause he is handsome looking that just is't right. Also I don't think Hans was nagacted by his brothers cause like he said "It's what brothers do."
      Marvel villains can't be redeemed, cause they're comic book characters... Their story has been told 60 years ago... And previous Disney villains can't be redeemed either, cause their stories have already been told... Hans on the other way is a fresh new character, so he has high possibilities to get redeemed.. Also, he said "It's what brothers do", to throw ash in Anna's eyes...
      What do you mean "to throw ash in Anna's eyes"
      I mean that he said that, to show Anna that he wasn't annoyed and disturbed by his brothers' behavior, when in reality he was...
      But would't he be able to menipulate Anna even more if she had felt simpaphy for him and woulden't Anna had felt more simpaphy for him him if she thaut that he was botherd by his brothers treatment of him.
      She would and she did, because Hans indeed manipulated her.. Again, I'm not saying that Hans is not a bad guy, I'm just saying that he has true and justified motives behind his actions and that's why there is a possibility for him to regret about his actions and get redemmed in a sequel.. He just needs one chance and a new villain would be the perfect one for him!!
      Even if he did have a bad childhood it dou't mean what he did should be forgoten, Just because your brothers were a little mean to you dous't mean that you can just go around and start menipulating and killing people and as I said before I don't think his brothers were as mean to him as many people seem to think.

      Well his brothers did behave bad to him, despite what we think or think not... And when someone is desperate, you never know in what way he's going to react.. We should be grateful he didn't kill anyone...

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    • Didjey Disantales wrote:
      Okay guys! I like your ideas and points but must critisize some of them. Nothing personal stratos and taylor, I actually like you guys.

      First, I understand that Helsa is not exactly, and in my sequel there is a late twist which will decide the fate of this relationship.

      Secondly, I don't think Hans is in prison. Yes, he was punished but not imprisoned. He was sent to his brothers and I think they punished him with a community service or house arrest, but prison? Even if your brother commits something illegal, you won't put him in prison, will you? Of course, they pretended he was invisible for some time but even then, you will not put the people you love in prison, even if he did something bad.

      Next, I like your plot about Hans and Stuart. The only problem is-that is not a sequel! You see, in sequel the main antagonists do not go away, same with deuterogonists. If your story is filmed, then we won't see Anna, Kristoff, Sven, Olaf. Even Elsa will be seen for a short time. It may be a good short story, but not a sequel. I know one film-sequel, the 3rd and last installment of trilogy. It was calle Goal! I am sure you heard of it. First two films-OMG! Fantastic! Unfortunately, the third film was more interested in other heroes and Santiago Munez-main antagonist-was almost invisible in this film. The film was a critic disaster and a bad finish to a trilogy.

      In addition, just like I said below, the plot is not interesting to audience. It excites us but not enough. Plus, the film will be greeted negatively by critics, and as Frozen fans we don't want sequel to be a disaster, do we? It will also be a film bomb (when financially the film struggles)

      Sorry guys, if I offended anyone but it was my opinion. Like I said, I spent weeks, planning all possible sequels and I believe that mine deserves to be at least heard. Unfortunately I can't contact them but at least I hope you like it. There will be a late twist in the end and it will give us ideas for Frozen 3

      P.S.

      BREAKING NEWS! Didjey Disantales, director of Academy Award-winning Frozen 2, is said to be working on a sequel. It came as a joy to many Frozen fans, with Frozen 2 surpassing his predecessor in financial and critical success. It won over 50 awards including 7 Academy Awards-the highest by WDAS and any animated film. It is also 8.9 on IMDB and 97% on Rotten Tomatoes. Their revenue is staggering with more than 2.5 billion up to date, making it the highest film and animated film , surpassing Avatar!

      That would be my dream come true :( 


      I don't actually intend to see my plot above to become the sequel to Frozen: I wrote it to make a story which satisfied both anti-Hans and pro-Hans.

      You see, in my story, you can view the reason of Hans slaying Stuart differently:

      • In the heroic way, you can consider that Hans killed Stuart to save Arendelle, even though he was injured by Stuart
      • In the more for-himself way, you can consider that Hans killed Stuart because he was angered by the injury the latter caused him
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    • And for your sequel's success, you're getting ahead of yourself:

      • 97% on Rotten Tomatoes is rare, though it has been done by animated movies (How To Train Your Dragon, Chicken Run) and the LEGO Movie has 96%
      • 7 Academy Awards/Oscars is also rare: however, Gravity did win 7 Oscars last year. The record is 11 (Ben-Hur, Titanic, The Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King). Other impressive performers include Slumdog Millionaire (8), Chicago (6) and Out of Africa (7), among others.
      • Also, Avatar grossed $2.782 billion, not $2.5 billion.
      • And Avatar is an extremely high bar: it's extremely unlikely that the Frozen sequel gets that high.
      • Not only that, but goodwill from the predecessor doesn't always mean a sequel bump (see Shrek The Third ($799 million vs. Shrek's 2 $919.8 million) for evidence of this)
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    • Taylor jago 16.06 wrote:
      And for your sequel's success, you're getting ahead of yourself:
      • 97% on Rotten Tomatoes is rare, though it has been done by animated movies (How To Train Your Dragon, Chicken Run) and the LEGO Movie has 96%
      • 7 Academy Awards/Oscars is also rare: however, Gravity did win 7 Oscars last year. The record is 11 (Ben-Hur, Titanic, The Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King). Other impressive performers include Slumdog Millionaire (8), Chicago (6) and Out of Africa (7), among others.
      • Also, Avatar grossed $2.782 billion, not $2.5 billion.
      • And Avatar is an extremely high bar: it's extremely unlikely that the Frozen sequel gets that high.
      • Not only that, but goodwill from the predecessor doesn't always mean a sequel bump (see Shrek The Third ($799 million vs. Shrek's 2 $919.8 million) for evidence of this)

      Totally agree..

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