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  • I grew up with the classic Disney princesses, and I love all of them. One of my dreams used to be to do voice acting for Disney cartoons. Now I am a music teacher. :)

    I think it would be very neat if Disney would include an Inuit princess, as well as princesses from Portugal, Africa, India, and maybe Greece. What princesses would you like to see?

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    • Disney kind of have already a Greek-princess Megara, she married a son of Zeus 'the king of gods'. Unfortunalety she isn't an official Disney princess as in the Disney princess series. Just like Esmeralda, the princess of the Court of Miracles named by her people, is.

      I personally want to have an outcast kind of type Disney princess like Esmeralda should have been. Also I'd like to see an African Disney princess,living in the wild between elephants and lions, as a daughter of a chief of a little African living communty like Pocahontas had.

      I also like to see more classic Disney princesses based on historical fairytales. Romantic movies of her finding her prince charming.

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    • I guess Megara is considered a princess, though she's most likely excluded from the Disney princess "canon" because the story was not centered around her. (Loved the animation in that one, btw.) I had forgotten about Esmerelda! Even though she's French, and what most would technically call "white", she could have had a very interesting and detailed story.

      I have heard a lot of people claim that there are too many "white" princesses, which is ridiculous because white people are not all the same! In recalling some of the older princess stories, you can see much of the culture included in the movie, and all are different.

      I too think that there should be an African princess in the way you described. Princess and the Frog was pretty good, and a very interesting and unique version of the original story, but it wasn't based on a legitimate African folktale. They should make one where her companion is a baby elephant! :D

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    • About an Inuit princess, the closest thing we've got to one was Nita (Kenai's love interest) from Brother Bear 2.

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    • How about a princess of a fictional race? Or a non-caucasian princess with an unusual eye color (such as green or blue)?

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    • Italian! Just like with a Mediterranean look of some sort.

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    • How about Spanish, Hispanic or Mexican?

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    • Disney4Disney wrote:
      How about Spanish, Hispanic or Mexican?


      they are doing this with the rumpelstiltskin movie right

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    • Jjliang wrote:
      How about a princess of a fictional race? Or a non-caucasian princess with an unusual eye color (such as green or blue)?

      Wasn't that Kida?

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    • Maybe they could do egyptian and make the story of Cleopatra (But of course they will have to change  a LOT of changes to the story to make it more child apropriate) or maybe just an egyptian princess

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    • Maybe Nefertiri or Ankhesenamun?

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    • Why does everyone always ignore what I have to say? -_-

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    • Frozenfangirl wrote:
      Jjliang wrote:
      How about a princess of a fictional race? Or a non-caucasian princess with an unusual eye color (such as green or blue)?
      Wasn't that Kida?

      very true

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    • How about a half fairy half human princess?

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    • Or an elf

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    • How about a witch princess?

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    • Frozenfangirl wrote:
      Why does everyone always ignore what I have to say? -_-

      You get used to it, I'm usually ignored as well. 

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    • I want something new like an alian princess. Now that would be COOL

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    • that would be great Nightgirl45

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    • I would be something new for disney☺️ I imagine a young princess Alian who had a older sister or brother who was jealous do to the powers her sister had but he/she could not have the powers like her. Since she was the second to the thrown the older sister/brother can not be king do to his disability of not having powers the king and queen decide to give the thrown t the younger daughter but she is ten so she has to wait to be 18 to become queen. The brother/sister betrays the Alian kingdom with the worst enemy. They capture the princess and make her a slave. She escapes to earth. That's all i got😂. I want it to be in the 21 first century.

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    • Sounds okay but also a bit vague.

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    • I think both a movie based on Rumpelstiltskin and on a Spanish idea is awesome but not in the same movie.

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    • Another reason why I like Dreamwork's recent movies over Disney's is that, since Dreamworks isn't worried about peddling "Dreamworks Princess" merchandize, they don't feel the need to shoehorn a princess in their movies.

      "How To Train Your Dragon", "How To Train Your Dragon 2" and "Rise of the Guardians" didn't need princesses to tell a great story.

      I think Disney should lay off the "princess" thing and just tell creative stories.

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    • Agustinaldo wrote:
      Another reason why I like Dreamwork's recent movies over Disney's is that, since Dreamworks isn't worried about peddling "Dreamworks Princess" merchandize, they don't feel the need to shoehorn a princess in their movies.

      "How To Train Your Dragon", "How To Train Your Dragon 2" and "Rise of the Guardians" didn't need princesses to tell a great story.

      I think Disney should lay off the "princess" thing and just tell creative stories.


      Disney got pretty famous because of this and what about disney non-princess movies

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    • But the good princess movies were made BEFORE the merchandize line existed, and thus their only concern was telling a good story. Nowadays it feels like they are doing the princess thing just to prop up the merchandize.

      Also, I do need to bring the "Just Another Princess" Animaniacs video?

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    • It's still their concern. Princesses get even more famous when they enter the line up later but before entering they're also. Anna and Elsa aren't coronated yet but they are becoming more famous than ever before

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    • I think an Indian (not native american, although I'd really like to see that too!! :O) princess would be very cool. I love the aesthetics of traditional India, and I could see her as a smart, fiery, and witty princess.

      A non-human princess would be mega rad, too! A elf princess (when I says elves I mean Lord of the Rings-type elves, not little tiny creature elves) leading her life in the forest. She could lead an elf army or something.

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    • What about a human princess who lives on an outerspace planet and gets a virus by which she becomes a robot. Her friends of prince saves her in the end. The becoming robot part could look like getting frozen in Frozen

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    • See?

      With Dreamworks, it's all about telling a good story and letting the characters speak for themselves.

      With Disney it's all:

      We Got To Have Money!

      We Got To Have Money!








      How about going back to doing things the way Walt used to? Back when Walt was alive, it was all about telling a good story and creating a good character, it wasn't about peddling some merchandise line.

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    • Agustinaldo wrote:
      See?

      With Dreamworks, it's all about telling a good story and letting the characters speak for themselves.

      With Disney it's all:

      We Got To Have Money!

      We Got To Have Money!








      How about going back to doing things the way Walt used to? Back when Walt was alive, it was all about telling a good story and creating a good character, it wasn't about peddling some merchandise line.

      > Implying princess can't be a good characters and their movies can't have good stories.

      Frozen is the highest grossing animated film of all time (and 5th highest grossing film in general) for a reason. Regardless of how highly or lowly some may feel about it, many thought it was well done. Of course opinions will always vary between people, but the general consensus seems to be that this was a pretty well done Disney Princess film.

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    • See? You measure how good a movie is by how much money it made.

      That, right there, is the problem.

      My point if that you are already planning on creating another princess character without having a good story to back it up, then you are not making a movie, you are selling a product.

      "Frozen" wasn't even supposed to have a princess, things just unfolded in the writing.

      We should let Disney tell good stories instead of demanding more princesses. After all, how many princesses are there in "Big Hero 6"?

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    • none. And I think that if Frozen made a lot of money then many people liked it not? There is no movie which everyone likes so also not with Frozen.

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    • Agustinaldo wrote:
      See? You measure how good a movie is by how much money it made.

      That, right there, is the problem.

      I don't think you understand what I mean (the person above does). The amount of money recieved directly correlates to the amount of people that saw it, of course. Generally, when a film recieves as much money as those in the highest grossing list (like Frozen), that means that people wanted to see it, and that it was probably worth seeing multiple times (which is likely where much of that money came from). The only time I can find that invalid was if a movie was so hilariously terrible that everyone wanted to see it.

      That coupled with the high reviews the film generally recieved indicates how well recieved it was. Hence what I said.

      And while it seems you're very passionate about this, this is not the place to discuss it. This is about discussing what people would like in a future princess, not how you feel Disney is using the Princess line as a cash cow. If you want to discuss it so bad, you're more than welcome to create a thread for it.

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    • I want to know when disney will to create a japanese princess? i want to say, the japan history is full of brave womens who easly can have the title, hangaku, tomoe gozen, tsuruhime.. also the japanese mitology is full of creatures that can be used like allies or villains.

      a good musical scene is when tsuruhime presence the "Gazu hyakki Yako" the nocturne parade of hundred demons can be a good musical.


      another good idea is a vampire princess, who must find the form to the humans and sobrenatural beings can live in peace.

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    • Demons and vampires belong in Stop Motion Terrors, not in Disney Princess movies.

      If you want that sort of thing, just ask Disney to make another Stop Motion Terror. they already made "The Nightmare Before Christmas" and "Frankenweenie", I'm sure they can make another one.

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    • Agustinaldo wrote:
      Demons and vampires belong in Stop Motion Terrors, not in Disney Princess movies.

      If you want that sort of thing, just ask Disney to make another Stop Motion Terror. they already made "The Nightmare Before Christmas" and "Frankenweenie", I'm sure they can make another one.

      why? i dont know that they must limitate of these form

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    • Disney4Disney wrote:
      How about Spanish, Hispanic or Mexican?

      they should altho most latinos would be mad at mexican because they allways make every latino a mexican and the cultures are so deverse they shouldent make it latino 

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    • Koji1616 wrote:
      Disney4Disney wrote:
      How about Spanish, Hispanic or Mexican?
      they should altho most latinos would be mad at mexican because they allways make every latino a mexican and the cultures are so deverse they shouldent make it latino 

      professedly sofia from sofia the first is of hispanic ancestry, their mother miranda came from a kingdom called galdiz, the disney equivalent of spain.

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    • Here's my own personal suggestion, and I assure you, this a sincere, coming from the heart suggestion...

      ...a lesbian princess.

      We don't need to win the battle against race discrimination. We already won it decades agom and we have enough "ethnic" princesses with Tiana, Jasmine, Pocahontas and Mulan.

      But the battle for gay rights is nowhere near close to being won.

      Speaking of Stop Motion Terrors, I think "Paranorman" is a very brave film because it introduced a gay character in an animated family film. And the character wasn't a stereotype or anything, he was just a regular boy, a slow-witted but still friendly and helpful boy, that just happened to have a boyfriend instead of a girlfriend.

      If "Paranorman" can do it, then Disney can do it.

      Introduce a princess that is just as kind, noble, corageous, honest and friendly as the other princess, but who falls in love with a girl.

      That's something i really wish Disnry would do.

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    • Javier zaldana wrote:
      Koji1616 wrote:
      Disney4Disney wrote:
      How about Spanish, Hispanic or Mexican?
      they should altho most latinos would be mad at mexican because they allways make every latino a mexican and the cultures are so deverse they shouldent make it latino 
      professedly sofia from sofia the first is of hispanic ancestry, their mother miranda came from a kingdom called galdiz, the disney equivalent of spain.

      she is hispanic but latinos are not all hispanic like bracilians are latinos put they arent hispanic 

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    • Agustinaldo wrote:
      Here's my own personal suggestion, and I assure you, this a sincere, coming from the heart suggestion...

      ...a lesbian princess.

      We don't need to win the battle against race discrimination. We already won it decades agom and we have enough "ethnic" princesses with Tiana, Jasmine, Pocahontas and Mulan.

      But the battle for gay rights is nowhere near close to being won.

      Speaking of Stop Motion Terrors, I think "Paranorman" is a very brave film because it introduced a gay character in an animated family film. And the character wasn't a stereotype or anything, he was just a regular boy, a slow-witted but still friendly and helpful boy, that just happened to have a boyfriend instead of a girlfriend.

      If "Paranorman" can do it, then Disney can do it.

      Introduce a princess that is just as kind, noble, corageous, honest and friendly as the other princess, but who falls in love with a girl.

      That's something i really wish Disnry would do.

      good idea but idont think disney would do this for a long time espetially considering the backlash paranorman had 

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    • We've had princesses from Europe,America,India,Asia,

      But still not one from Africa :/  

      Even when Tiana (American)  marries a prince .......He's from the middle east -___-

      Does disney have something agianst African's ?

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    • I still think a lesbian princess would be a genuinely huge improvement for Disney, as opposed to yet another "ethnic" princess.

      We already have three "ethnic" princesses. But we have zero lesbian princesses. And I think it's time to change that.

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    • Agustinaldo wrote:
      I still think a lesbian princess would be a genuinely huge improvement for Disney, as opposed to yet another "ethnic" princess.

      We already have three "ethnic" princesses. But we have zero lesbian princesses. And I think it's time to change that.


      Um three "ethnic" princesses as you like to call it , is not allot .There are to many ethnicities in this world to say three is enough or to much . These are children movies ,Elementary schoolers should not be thinking about their sexuality .But they should see people who look like them potrayed in a positive way though like a prince or a princess in a disney movie . Speaking of that maybe we should have more disney movies about princes, boy's need love to .

      And that lesbian thing will not fly the uproar would be insane .and maybe rightfully so .

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    • Agustinaldo wrote:
      I still think a lesbian princess would be a genuinely huge improvement for Disney, as opposed to yet another "ethnic" princess.

      We already have three "ethnic" princesses. But we have zero lesbian princesses. And I think it's time to change that.


      I know  you'd like to change this but the world is not into this yet. Disney can't make an animated feature based on a lesbian princess because some parents wouldn't let their children watch it. Disney did show a trace of lesbian sexual interests in Good Luck Charlie.

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    • Orlando678 wrote:

      Agustinaldo wrote:
      I still think a lesbian princess would be a genuinely huge improvement for Disney, as opposed to yet another "ethnic" princess.

      We already have three "ethnic" princesses. But we have zero lesbian princesses. And I think it's time to change that.


      I know  you'd like to change this but the world is not into this yet. Disney can't make an animated feature based on a lesbian princess because some parents wouldn't let their children watch it. Disney did show a trace of lesbian sexual interests in Good Luck Charlie.

      Yeah, and right now there are petitions in Florida right now that are protesting against the stuff in Good Luck Charlie as a result.

      Besides, need I really remind you of what happened with Frozen? After a minister strongly implied in a sermon that the movie had pro-homosexual agendas in it, there was a huge controversy that eventually died down after Breitbart confirmed there was no such agenda in the film, or any agenda save for making kids and families smile. Considering the huge uproar for a film believed to be pushing such an agenda yet confirmed to not push it, the uproar for a film actually pushing such an agenda and confirming such with the DP being a lesbian would be even worse, maybe result in Disney nearly going bankrupt and definitely tanking the little of its family-friendly reputation it still had. Heck, How To Train Your Dragon 2 got bad sales in large part because one of the scriptwriters foolishly inferred that a certain line in the film was intended to reference homosexuality.

      As far as an ethnic princess, we've already got a Middle Eastern (Jasmine), an Asian (Mulan), a Native American (Pocahontas) and someone of African descent (Tiana). If we count merpeople in there, we've also got Ariel (even if in human form, she's Caucasian/European). There's not much else to go by, at this point. Probably the only ethnicity left would be an Aborigine or a Polynesian. I'd go with Hispanic, but on the other hand, there aren't much Hispanic kingdoms to use, unless she marries into royalty from a country that is a kingdom, like Tiana did.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Orlando678 wrote:

      Agustinaldo wrote:
      I still think a lesbian princess would be a genuinely huge improvement for Disney, as opposed to yet another "ethnic" princess.

      We already have three "ethnic" princesses. But we have zero lesbian princesses. And I think it's time to change that.


      I know  you'd like to change this but the world is not into this yet. Disney can't make an animated feature based on a lesbian princess because some parents wouldn't let their children watch it. Disney did show a trace of lesbian sexual interests in Good Luck Charlie.
      Yeah, and right now there are petitions in Florida right now that are protesting against the stuff in Good Luck Charlie as a result.

      Besides, need I really remind you of what happened with Frozen? After a minister strongly implied in a sermon that the movie had pro-homosexual agendas in it, there was a huge controversy that eventually died down after Breitbart confirmed there was no such agenda in the film, or any agenda save for making kids and families smile. Considering the huge uproar for a film believed to be pushing such an agenda yet confirmed to not push it, the uproar for a film actually pushing such an agenda and confirming such with the DP being a lesbian would be even worse, maybe result in Disney nearly going bankrupt and definitely tanking the little of its family-friendly reputation it still had. Heck, How To Train Your Dragon 2 got bad sales in large part because one of the scriptwriters foolishly inferred that a certain line in the film was intended to reference homosexuality.

      As far as an ethnic princess, we've already got a Middle Eastern (Jasmine), an Asian (Mulan), a Native American (Pocahontas) and someone of African descent (Tiana). If we count merpeople in there, we've also got Ariel (even if in human form, she's Caucasian/European). There's not much else to go by, at this point. Probably the only ethnicity left would be an Aborigine or a Polynesian. I'd go with Hispanic, but on the other hand, there aren't much Hispanic kingdoms to use, unless she marries into royalty from a country that is a kingdom, like Tiana did.

      Not to be picky but Tiana is not African and Mulan wasn't a princess .

      So we still don't have a African a Asian or a Hispanic princess. 

      Only Middle Eastern ,Two americans and a lots and lots of Europeans  and now a Polynesian one on it's way .

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    • 90honesty wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Orlando678 wrote:

      Agustinaldo wrote:
      I still think a lesbian princess would be a genuinely huge improvement for Disney, as opposed to yet another "ethnic" princess.

      We already have three "ethnic" princesses. But we have zero lesbian princesses. And I think it's time to change that.


      I know  you'd like to change this but the world is not into this yet. Disney can't make an animated feature based on a lesbian princess because some parents wouldn't let their children watch it. Disney did show a trace of lesbian sexual interests in Good Luck Charlie.
      Yeah, and right now there are petitions in Florida right now that are protesting against the stuff in Good Luck Charlie as a result.

      Besides, need I really remind you of what happened with Frozen? After a minister strongly implied in a sermon that the movie had pro-homosexual agendas in it, there was a huge controversy that eventually died down after Breitbart confirmed there was no such agenda in the film, or any agenda save for making kids and families smile. Considering the huge uproar for a film believed to be pushing such an agenda yet confirmed to not push it, the uproar for a film actually pushing such an agenda and confirming such with the DP being a lesbian would be even worse, maybe result in Disney nearly going bankrupt and definitely tanking the little of its family-friendly reputation it still had. Heck, How To Train Your Dragon 2 got bad sales in large part because one of the scriptwriters foolishly inferred that a certain line in the film was intended to reference homosexuality.

      As far as an ethnic princess, we've already got a Middle Eastern (Jasmine), an Asian (Mulan), a Native American (Pocahontas) and someone of African descent (Tiana). If we count merpeople in there, we've also got Ariel (even if in human form, she's Caucasian/European). There's not much else to go by, at this point. Probably the only ethnicity left would be an Aborigine or a Polynesian. I'd go with Hispanic, but on the other hand, there aren't much Hispanic kingdoms to use, unless she marries into royalty from a country that is a kingdom, like Tiana did.

      Not to be picky but Tiana is not African and Mulan wasn't a princess .

      So we still don't have a African a Asian or a Hispanic princess. 

      Only Middle Eastern ,Two americans and a lots and lots of Europeans  and now a Polynesian one on it's way .

      Yeah, I know Mulan isn't technically a princess, but she is a Disney Princess so she still counts. If they count her as a princess, I have no choice but to do so myself (I don't agree with Mulan's inclusion in the franchise since she isn't of royalty, but I'm not part of Disney's infrastructure so I have no say in the matter of whether she should or not, and since I don't have a say, I have no real choice but to consider her a princess since the Disney Princess franchise clearly does). As far as Tiana, she's African American, so she's close enough until we actually get a genuine African princess, whether it be in an upcoming film or, heck, including either Nala or Kiara into the DP line.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      90honesty wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Orlando678 wrote:


      Agustinaldo wrote:
      I still think a lesbian princess would be a genuinely huge improvement for Disney, as opposed to yet another "ethnic" princess.

      We already have three "ethnic" princesses. But we have zero lesbian princesses. And I think it's time to change that.


      I know  you'd like to change this but the world is not into this yet. Disney can't make an animated feature based on a lesbian princess because some parents wouldn't let their children watch it. Disney did show a trace of lesbian sexual interests in Good Luck Charlie.
      Yeah, and right now there are petitions in Florida right now that are protesting against the stuff in Good Luck Charlie as a result.

      Besides, need I really remind you of what happened with Frozen? After a minister strongly implied in a sermon that the movie had pro-homosexual agendas in it, there was a huge controversy that eventually died down after Breitbart confirmed there was no such agenda in the film, or any agenda save for making kids and families smile. Considering the huge uproar for a film believed to be pushing such an agenda yet confirmed to not push it, the uproar for a film actually pushing such an agenda and confirming such with the DP being a lesbian would be even worse, maybe result in Disney nearly going bankrupt and definitely tanking the little of its family-friendly reputation it still had. Heck, How To Train Your Dragon 2 got bad sales in large part because one of the scriptwriters foolishly inferred that a certain line in the film was intended to reference homosexuality.

      As far as an ethnic princess, we've already got a Middle Eastern (Jasmine), an Asian (Mulan), a Native American (Pocahontas) and someone of African descent (Tiana). If we count merpeople in there, we've also got Ariel (even if in human form, she's Caucasian/European). There's not much else to go by, at this point. Probably the only ethnicity left would be an Aborigine or a Polynesian. I'd go with Hispanic, but on the other hand, there aren't much Hispanic kingdoms to use, unless she marries into royalty from a country that is a kingdom, like Tiana did.

      Not to be picky but Tiana is not African and Mulan wasn't a princess .

      So we still don't have a African a Asian or a Hispanic princess. 

      Only Middle Eastern ,Two americans and a lots and lots of Europeans  and now a Polynesian one on it's way .

      Yeah, I know Mulan isn't technically a princess, but she is a Disney Princess so she still counts. If they count her as a princess, I have no choice but to do so myself (I don't agree with Mulan's inclusion in the franchise since she isn't of royalty, but I'm not part of Disney's infrastructure so I have no say in the matter of whether she should or not, and since I don't have a say, I have no real choice but to consider her a princess since the Disney Princess franchise clearly does). As far as Tiana, she's African American, so she's close enough until we actually get a genuine African princess, whether it be in an upcoming film or, heck, including either Nala or Kiara into the DP line.

      I totally know were you're coming from but we shouldn't pretend that a American or a Animal is our African princess or that a non princess is are Asian princess .If we do Disney will just see that were content with these two as the African and Asian princesses and we might never get the real ones .That's all im saying .Some people are pretending we have all these diffrent princesses from all over the world when we really don't. we really only have three princesses who aren't from  europe 

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    • 90honesty wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      90honesty wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Orlando678 wrote:


      Agustinaldo wrote:
      I still think a lesbian princess would be a genuinely huge improvement for Disney, as opposed to yet another "ethnic" princess.

      We already have three "ethnic" princesses. But we have zero lesbian princesses. And I think it's time to change that.


      I know  you'd like to change this but the world is not into this yet. Disney can't make an animated feature based on a lesbian princess because some parents wouldn't let their children watch it. Disney did show a trace of lesbian sexual interests in Good Luck Charlie.
      Yeah, and right now there are petitions in Florida right now that are protesting against the stuff in Good Luck Charlie as a result.

      Besides, need I really remind you of what happened with Frozen? After a minister strongly implied in a sermon that the movie had pro-homosexual agendas in it, there was a huge controversy that eventually died down after Breitbart confirmed there was no such agenda in the film, or any agenda save for making kids and families smile. Considering the huge uproar for a film believed to be pushing such an agenda yet confirmed to not push it, the uproar for a film actually pushing such an agenda and confirming such with the DP being a lesbian would be even worse, maybe result in Disney nearly going bankrupt and definitely tanking the little of its family-friendly reputation it still had. Heck, How To Train Your Dragon 2 got bad sales in large part because one of the scriptwriters foolishly inferred that a certain line in the film was intended to reference homosexuality.

      As far as an ethnic princess, we've already got a Middle Eastern (Jasmine), an Asian (Mulan), a Native American (Pocahontas) and someone of African descent (Tiana). If we count merpeople in there, we've also got Ariel (even if in human form, she's Caucasian/European). There's not much else to go by, at this point. Probably the only ethnicity left would be an Aborigine or a Polynesian. I'd go with Hispanic, but on the other hand, there aren't much Hispanic kingdoms to use, unless she marries into royalty from a country that is a kingdom, like Tiana did.

      Not to be picky but Tiana is not African and Mulan wasn't a princess .

      So we still don't have a African a Asian or a Hispanic princess. 

      Only Middle Eastern ,Two americans and a lots and lots of Europeans  and now a Polynesian one on it's way .

      Yeah, I know Mulan isn't technically a princess, but she is a Disney Princess so she still counts. If they count her as a princess, I have no choice but to do so myself (I don't agree with Mulan's inclusion in the franchise since she isn't of royalty, but I'm not part of Disney's infrastructure so I have no say in the matter of whether she should or not, and since I don't have a say, I have no real choice but to consider her a princess since the Disney Princess franchise clearly does). As far as Tiana, she's African American, so she's close enough until we actually get a genuine African princess, whether it be in an upcoming film or, heck, including either Nala or Kiara into the DP line.

      I totally know were you're coming from but we shouldn't pretend that a American or a Animal is our African princess or that a non princess is are Asian princess .If we do Disney will just see that were content with these two as the African and Asian princesses and we might never get the real ones .That's all im saying .Some people are pretending we have all these diffrent princesses from all over the world when we really don't. we really only have three princesses who aren't from  europe 

      Four if we count Ariel (since she technically was from the sea, not Europe), though I see your point.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      90honesty wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      90honesty wrote:


      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Orlando678 wrote:


      Agustinaldo wrote:
      I still think a lesbian princess would be a genuinely huge improvement for Disney, as opposed to yet another "ethnic" princess.

      We already have three "ethnic" princesses. But we have zero lesbian princesses. And I think it's time to change that.


      I know  you'd like to change this but the world is not into this yet. Disney can't make an animated feature based on a lesbian princess because some parents wouldn't let their children watch it. Disney did show a trace of lesbian sexual interests in Good Luck Charlie.
      Yeah, and right now there are petitions in Florida right now that are protesting against the stuff in Good Luck Charlie as a result.

      Besides, need I really remind you of what happened with Frozen? After a minister strongly implied in a sermon that the movie had pro-homosexual agendas in it, there was a huge controversy that eventually died down after Breitbart confirmed there was no such agenda in the film, or any agenda save for making kids and families smile. Considering the huge uproar for a film believed to be pushing such an agenda yet confirmed to not push it, the uproar for a film actually pushing such an agenda and confirming such with the DP being a lesbian would be even worse, maybe result in Disney nearly going bankrupt and definitely tanking the little of its family-friendly reputation it still had. Heck, How To Train Your Dragon 2 got bad sales in large part because one of the scriptwriters foolishly inferred that a certain line in the film was intended to reference homosexuality.

      As far as an ethnic princess, we've already got a Middle Eastern (Jasmine), an Asian (Mulan), a Native American (Pocahontas) and someone of African descent (Tiana). If we count merpeople in there, we've also got Ariel (even if in human form, she's Caucasian/European). There's not much else to go by, at this point. Probably the only ethnicity left would be an Aborigine or a Polynesian. I'd go with Hispanic, but on the other hand, there aren't much Hispanic kingdoms to use, unless she marries into royalty from a country that is a kingdom, like Tiana did.

      Not to be picky but Tiana is not African and Mulan wasn't a princess .

      So we still don't have a African a Asian or a Hispanic princess. 

      Only Middle Eastern ,Two americans and a lots and lots of Europeans  and now a Polynesian one on it's way .

      Yeah, I know Mulan isn't technically a princess, but she is a Disney Princess so she still counts. If they count her as a princess, I have no choice but to do so myself (I don't agree with Mulan's inclusion in the franchise since she isn't of royalty, but I'm not part of Disney's infrastructure so I have no say in the matter of whether she should or not, and since I don't have a say, I have no real choice but to consider her a princess since the Disney Princess franchise clearly does). As far as Tiana, she's African American, so she's close enough until we actually get a genuine African princess, whether it be in an upcoming film or, heck, including either Nala or Kiara into the DP line.
      I totally know were you're coming from but we shouldn't pretend that a American or a Animal is our African princess or that a non princess is are Asian princess .If we do Disney will just see that were content with these two as the African and Asian princesses and we might never get the real ones .That's all im saying .Some people are pretending we have all these diffrent princesses from all over the world when we really don't. we really only have three princesses who aren't from  europe 
      Four if we count Ariel (since she technically was from the sea, not Europe), though I see your point.

      I see your point about Ariel as welll although she was definetly of "European descent " 

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    • But that's how you know that you made a big leap: BECAUSE it causes an uproar.

      Doing another "ethnic" princess is another safe and easy movie. Doing a lesbian princess is a bold movie that would represent a leap forward for Disney as a whole, and put the company on a whole new level.

      There are a lot of kids who live with gay parents and are teased for it. A lot of kids with gay relatives. A lot of teenagers who feel attracted to members of the same sex. THEY need someone to relate to.

      And this has precedent:

      "Sailor Moon".

      It was a show for kids and families, it had a huge following among little girls...and it had a lesbian couple.

      Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune.

      As far as I know, no child ever became "corrupted" because of Uranus and Neptune being together. In fact, many found characters they could relate to in those two.

      "Sailor Moon" took that step, "Paranorman" took that step, and it's about time Disney takes that step.

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    • Agustinaldo wrote:
      But that's how you know that you made a big leap: BECAUSE it causes an uproar.

      Doing another "ethnic" princess is another safe and easy movie. Doing a lesbian princess is a bold movie that would represent a leap forward for Disney as a whole, and put the company on a whole new level.

      There are a lot of kids who live with gay parents and are teased for it. A lot of kids with gay relatives. A lot of teenagers who feel attracted to members of the same sex. THEY need someone to relate to.

      And this has precedent:

      "Sailor Moon".

      It was a show for kids and families, it had a huge following among little girls...and it had a lesbian couple.

      Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune.

      As far as I know, no child ever became "corrupted" because of Uranus and Neptune being together. In fact, many found characters they could relate to in those two.

      "Sailor Moon" took that step, "Paranorman" took that step, and it's about time Disney takes that step.

      That's not fair to the parents of children who don't want their kid's to be questioning their sexuality in grade school . Allot of parent's don't wan't their children to be exsposed to that life style especially at such a young age .It's not comparable to ethnicity because children know their ethnicity from birth they don't have to question it .Disney movies are not marketed towards teenagers and it isn't a anime it's for children  in elementary school .Kid's in second grade shouldn't be running around wondering who their attracted to . And if Ethinc princesses were as "easy" and "safe" as you say they are then we'd have more then 4 of them especially since they started them in 1937 .

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    • Race isn't the issue, it's creative design. Look at Snow White, Cinderella and Aurora. They look nothing like each other!

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    • Well Cinderella and Snow White do look quite the same.

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    • Orlando678 wrote: Well Cinderella and Snow White do look quite the same.

      Facewise, maybe, but definitely not hairstyle. Snow White's raven haired, Cinderella's either ginger or blonde.

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    • Orlando678 wrote:
      Well Cinderella and Snow White do look quite the same.

      Oh, for the sake of arguing; Snow White's features are more little girly, more Betty Boop-ish, like a silent movie actress, while Cinderella's face is more womanly, like a love interest in a film noir.

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    • Tamsin Parker wrote:

      Orlando678 wrote:
      Well Cinderella and Snow White do look quite the same.

      Oh, for the sake of arguing; Snow White's features are more little girly, more Betty Boop-ish, like a silent movie actress, while Cinderella's face is more womanly, like a love interest in a film noir.

      Yeah, though Cinderella's definitely a lot more pure than a love interest in a film noir. Ironically, Belle from Beauty and the Beast came closer in personality to a film noir love interest due to some of her actions in that film.

      Oh, and before I forget, technically, Sailor Moon was not a kids cartoon in Japan, it was Bishoujo, which was effectively in the adult range. Sailor Moon may have been shown in the kids bracket, but it was not an actual kids cartoon (heck, the lesbian relationship you referred to was actually censored here in the West, remember how they were made "kissing cousins?").

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    • I'm sorry I think they look quite the same. I don't think thats wrong, I just think that's reality

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    • Orlando678 wrote: I'm sorry I think they look quite the same. I don't think thats wrong, I just think that's reality

      You want looking quite the same, look at these three girls' appearances here (Dresses aside, that is): File:Gaston_(Reprise).png. Cinderella and Snow White definitely don't look the same. Similar, sure, but not the same. "Same" would imply an exact or a near-exact replica (and by that, I mean only having .01% of a difference in appearance, and that's rounded.), and its clear from their hairstyles, eye color, and hair color that they're not the same at all.

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    • God all the facts. Wow sorry that I didn't say similar in place of same -_-

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    • Tamsin Parker wrote:
      Race isn't the issue, it's creative design. Look at Snow White, Cinderella and Aurora. They look nothing like each other!

      Race kinda is the issue tho .

      These movies are made for children,who come in more then just white .Allot of kid's look up to these character's and idolize them and try to see their selves in them.And it isn't right that children have to see one race depicted as royalty most of the time .

      I almost had my heart broken last month.I volunter at a Elementary school.The kid's were playing pretend and i noticed that the African American boy was avoiding the role of  the prince.When i asked him why,he said verbatim "Black guy's can't be princes's " that struck a nerve with me ,suddenly i had a epiphany children notice things, and allot of times they feel like they can only be what they see people who look like them depicted as. :/ .

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    • 90honesty wrote:

      Tamsin Parker wrote:
      Race isn't the issue, it's creative design. Look at Snow White, Cinderella and Aurora. They look nothing like each other!

      Race kinda is the issue tho .

      These movies are made for children,who come in more then just white .Allot of kid's look up to these character's and idolize them and try to see their selves in them.And it isn't right that children have to see one race depicted as royalty most of the time .

      I almost had my heart broken last month.I volunter at a Elementary school.The kid's were playing pretend and i noticed that the African American boy was avoiding the role of  the prince.When i asked him why,he said verbatim "Black guy's can't be princes's " that struck a nerve with me ,suddenly i had a epiphany children notice things, and allot of times they feel like they can only be what they see people who look like them depicted as. :/ .

      This honestly depends on the child. I am African-American, and growing up I had absolutely no hesitance to dress-up in an Ariel costume when playing with my friends. It wasn't what I saw from her on the outside really --- obviously I knew there were differences between her and I, and noticed her "beauty" was much different than anything I'd seen in real life --- but what she represented to me. She was curious and a great singer and she wanted to experience new cool things, and she liked to collect objects (I used to collect everything I saw lol).

      Tianna did not make me feel any better or worse about the franchise, either.

      While in the end, people are different (and should be celebrated, of course), I think what should be made important, and what seems to be becoming more important (mostly) is the princess' personalities and actions. You hear less about them being 'beautiful princess' and more of them being sisters, daughters, fighters, dreamers, humourous, feisty-pants, adventurers, etc..

      The only reason race and appearance becomes so important is because we perpetuate that idea in children. Snow White always referred to the beauty in her snow white skin, and Sleeping Beauty focused on, well, her 'Beauty'. Thus, little girls come to believe that "that obviously must be the most important", because they made it seem like the girl's beauty and marriage was the climax of her life, and the only part worth making a film about.

      It's the same with the prince, too. He's always portrayed as the dream guy who catches hearts because he's sooo gorgeous. Ones like Flynn Rider and Kristoff are beginning to show that these guys do have faults (flynn is occasionally narcissistic and kristoff is... kind of a diamond in the rough, lol), and so may the men girls meet in their life, but if you look deep down, you may find that he's perfect at his core. Frozen also showed that sometimes even the most ~*~beautiful~*~ guy is a huge butt on the inside.

      That kid you were talking about though, maybehe hasn't heard of Disney's Princess and the Frog?? Naveen wasn't 'black' in the typical sense, but he was very clearly darker-skinned.

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    • Reimeille wrote:

      90honesty wrote:

      Tamsin Parker wrote:
      Race isn't the issue, it's creative design. Look at Snow White, Cinderella and Aurora. They look nothing like each other!
      Race kinda is the issue tho .

      These movies are made for children,who come in more then just white .Allot of kid's look up to these character's and idolize them and try to see their selves in them.And it isn't right that children have to see one race depicted as royalty most of the time .

      I almost had my heart broken last month.I volunter at a Elementary school.The kid's were playing pretend and i noticed that the African American boy was avoiding the role of  the prince.When i asked him why,he said verbatim "Black guy's can't be princes's " that struck a nerve with me ,suddenly i had a epiphany children notice things, and allot of times they feel like they can only be what they see people who look like them depicted as. :/ .

      This honestly depends on the child. I am African-American, and growing up I had absolutely no hesitance to dress-up in an Ariel costume when playing with my friends. It wasn't what I saw from her on the outside really --- obviously I knew there were differences between her and I, and noticed her "beauty" was much different than anything I'd seen in real life --- but what she represented to me. She was curious and a great singer and she wanted to experience new cool things, and she liked to collect objects (I used to collect everything I saw lol).

      Tianna did not make me feel any better or worse about the franchise, either.

      While in the end, people are different (and should be celebrated, of course), I think what should be made important, and what seems to be becoming more important (mostly) is the princess' personalities and actions. You hear less about them being 'beautiful princess' and more of them being sisters, daughters, fighters, dreamers, humourous, feisty-pants, adventurers, etc..

      The only reason race and appearance becomes so important is because we perpetuate that idea in children. Snow White always referred to the beauty in her snow white skin, and Sleeping Beauty focused on, well, her 'Beauty'. Thus, little girls come to believe that "that obviously must be the most important", because they made it seem like the girl's beauty and marriage was the climax of her life, and the only part worth making a film about.

      You make a fantastic point ,It makes me think maybe we should have a "over wieght" princeses or one who isn't a size zero .It does seem like girls are programed to believe  beauty and marriage are the most important things in a woman's life . I understand that you're a African American girl but that isn't exactly the same thing as being a African American boy . I think they tend to have less favorable depitctions if depicted at all especially in Disney . Upon futher disscusion with him i found more troubling things , All his role models were Rappers and Athletes .This was troubling because all the other children chose fictional characters . One's they said reminded them of there mom's and sisters .Which told me allot .

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    • What about an African Warrior Princess? Me and my sister just came up with that idea!

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    • Disney4Disney wrote: What about an African Warrior Princess? Me and my sister just came up with that idea!

      Only if she's not a retread of Merida, and she is an actual princess unlike Mulan.

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    • Lovefiction wrote:
      Italian! Just like with a Mediterranean look of some sort.

      Sounds like a good idea.

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    • I would love an Indian princess (NOT native american like Pocahontas) or a spanish princess.

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    • A Hispanic princess would be great, actually.

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    • Koji1616 wrote:
      Disney4Disney wrote:
      How about Spanish, Hispanic or Mexican?
      they should altho most latinos would be mad at mexican because they allways make every latino a mexican and the cultures are so deverse they shouldent make it latino 

      I disagree they can just take Aztec mythology ( that is very rich in tales and legends) and sale it, I really wish to se a Diseny adaptation from the tale of popocatepetl, and iztaccichuatl the " leyend of the volcanoes"  this story is like a mesoamerican romeo and juliet.

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    • KingAries4598 wrote:
      A Hispanic princess would be great, actually.

      I agree with you but  I think it is still better to take Aztec , Incan ( who already have a Disney  movie  " The emperors New Groove") or Maya Mythologies for those purposes . Do you hear about the " leyend of the volcanoes" ? I think princess Iztaccihuatl can fit in the Disney princess franchise. http://www.mexonline.com/history-popo.htm

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    • DisneyEverAfter wrote:
      I would love an Indian princess (NOT native american like Pocahontas) or a spanish princess.

      I think if disney make an adaptation from the " Mio cid",  Gimena Diaz ( the wife of Don rodrigo Diaz de Vivar " el Cid") could fullfill the role of the princess.

      For an indian Princes they can just make an adaptation of the " Ramayana" and Princess Sita Could be the Indian princess you want to see.

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      i agree astec its just for example im puerto rican and people always think im mexican when im actually from an iland and most latinos agree the steriotype for latino culture is mexican 

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    • EowyntheFair wrote:
      I guess Megara is considered a princess, though she's most likely excluded from the Disney princess "canon" because the story was not centered around her. (Loved the animation in that one, btw.) I had forgotten about Esmerelda! Even though she's French, and what most would technically call "white", she could have had a very interesting and detailed story.

      I have heard a lot of people claim that there are too many "white" princesses, which is ridiculous because white people are not all the same! In recalling some of the older princess stories, you can see much of the culture included in the movie, and all are different.

      I too think that there should be an African princess in the way you described. Princess and the Frog was pretty good, and a very interesting and unique version of the original story, but it wasn't based on a legitimate African folktale. They should make one where her companion is a baby elephant! :D

      Awwww! :3

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    • Koji1616 wrote:
      reply to #38   i agree astec its just for example im puerto rican and people always think im mexican when im actually from an iland and most latinos agree the steriotype for latino culture is mexican 

      In some extent you are right but that does not mean that Disney must not make a latin american princess for that purpose. Mexicans have a huge impact in the actual continental USA this because they are the largest group of latin american people in the country, for different reasons ( historical, economical  and diplomatic reasons) also both countries are part of the same neighborhood that is North America and no other latin american country can claim that. There is no surprise that most US citizens get confused when they enconter other hispanic people from different nationalities.

      The only civilizations on the continent that have actually real princesses in the past  were native civilizations and tribes ( the most advanced and recognizable being Aztecs, Mayas and Incas), Mexico ( when it was the mexican empire) and Brazil ( when it was the empire of Brazil), this of course excluding the europeans that established colonies in the continent.

      I think the most viable history for a latin american princess is the Tale of the " legend of the volcanoes" that is a well known and popular Aztec tale that is a love and tragic story between a princess and a warrior.

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    • reply to #74

      actually puerto ricans are a colony of usa and we did have royal tribes leaders here XD but eather way like i said as long as its not stereotipical mexican im fine i mean aztecs would be fine and other groups all i mean is no stereotipical mexian 

      and eather way sofia the first is making a latina princess so im fine with tht XD [1]

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    • Koji1616 wrote:
      reply to #74 actually puerto ricans are a colony of usa and we did have royal tribes leaders here XD but eather way like i said as long as its not stereotipical mexican im fine i mean aztecs would be fine and other groups all i mean is no stereotipical mexian 

      and eather way sofia the first is making a latina princess so im fine with tht XD [1]

      yes and that is actually my point i think it is way better to have a mesoamerican princess instead of a latin american princess since both civilizations are way different modern mexicans are not aztecs for example, modern peruvians are not Incas, modern guatemaltecans are not mayans and we can establish that every latin american country ( except Brazil) is the result of native and hispanic roots combining. I think we as latin americans  we can identify in some way with ancient native cultures of the continent no matter if they were in another part of the continent.

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      i belive it would be nice and sofia is aslo alredy doing the latina thts a generic latino so yeah bte i do love elena tho [1]

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    • NightGirl45 wrote:
      I want something new like an alian princess. Now that would be COOL

      Hmmm...yes that would be a good idea. I wanna where they would go with that! :D

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    • I think you mean "alien".


      Also, "I wanna where they would go with that" is really not a complete sentence. lol.

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    • EowyntheFair wrote:
      I think you mean "alien".


      Also, "I wanna where they would go with that" is really not a complete sentence. lol.

      Oh, my bad, I meant "i wanna know where they go with that"

      And i don't think they meant to misspell that :)

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    • SASSYBADGERMOLE2336 wrote:
      EowyntheFair wrote:
      I think you mean "alien".


      Also, "I wanna where they would go with that" is really not a complete sentence. lol.

      Oh, my bad, I meant "i wanna know where they go with that"

      And i don't think they meant to misspell that :)

      I don´t think that could be a good idea.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      SASSYBADGERMOLE2336 wrote:
      EowyntheFair wrote:
      I think you mean "alien".


      Also, "I wanna where they would go with that" is really not a complete sentence. lol.

      Oh, my bad, I meant "i wanna know where they go with that"

      And i don't think they meant to misspell that :)

      I don´t think that could be a good idea.

      why

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    • I like the prince movie idea. That would be something unique that they've never done before. I know they usually target movies about royalty at girls, but this could be a way to get more guys interested in watching those kinds of movies.

      I would also like the African princess, Latin American princess, or prince of either of those races. Sounds like that could be really cool!:) I want to see Disney diversify their princesses' appearances (which I think they're trying to do with Moana), and I think all of these could make legit movies.

      This is also a reason why I want to see them go through with that overweight princess idea.

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    • lol. We often make typos in our words, or spelling errors, but we need to be sure to proofread before sending, to look for those things. It makes you seem smarter!

      I don't like the idea of an overweight princess, really. There's too much coddling in society when being overweight isn't a GOOD thing. Overweight is bad for your health. Do you want small children thinking "Oh, princess Obeesa is fat, and so am I, so I must be ok!" No, we want to inspire children to inner strength, standing up for what's right, loving those who are unlovable, etc. not being fat. Unless they made a story where she lost weight...that might be amusing.

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    • EowyntheFair wrote:
      lol. We often make typos in our words, or spelling errors, but we need to be sure to proofread before sending, to look for those things. It makes you seem smarter!

      I don't like the idea of an overweight princess, really. There's too much coddling in society when being overweight isn't a GOOD thing. Overweight is bad for your health. Do you want small children thinking "Oh, princess Obeesa is fat, and so am I, so I must be ok!" No, we want to inspire children to inner strength, standing up for what's right, loving those who are unlovable, etc. not being fat. Unless they made a story where she lost weight...that might be amusing.

      What did I mess up? I know I'm a little prone to typos, but I don't see it.

      And I'm beginning to think maybe I probably shouldn't have opened that one back up again......:)

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    • Oh, just left out the word "know" when you said "I wanna know where they would go with that one." No biggie, just need to watch out for those errors! I'm a teacher, and you wouldn't believe the number of students who leave words out and write sentences that don't even make sense!

      I wasn't reading the first time the fat princess was talked about, sorry for opening the can of worms again! :P

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    • If they are going to go with the overweight princess, they really should make her Russian, since I heard that being extremely large is an excellent survival skill (though they aren't necessarily "overweight," more like larger in bulk than most people).

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    • Agustinaldo wrote:
      But that's how you know that you made a big leap: BECAUSE it causes an uproar.

      Doing another "ethnic" princess is another safe and easy movie. Doing a lesbian princess is a bold movie that would represent a leap forward for Disney as a whole, and put the company on a whole new level.

      Actually, the concept of making "progress" by introducing a lesbian princess is not one that everyone would call progress and is simply an opinion that you are stating here as fact. Even though about half of Americans are ok with the idea of allowing gay marriage, not nearly that many actually support the idea (and want their children following it), and only 5% of the population are homosexual. We haven't appeased the approximately 14% of the population that's black, or the growing Hispanic/Latino population (which I am a part of), and the majority of America still do not accept homosexuality as something they want to teach their children, so why should Disney go there? Why not start with a disabled princess, or a disfigured princess, or even an overweight princess (not that we want to encourage obesity either)? There are far morer children in the world with these problems (and in the targeted age range) that could benefit from having a hero like that.

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    • EowyntheFair wrote:

      Agustinaldo wrote:
      But that's how you know that you made a big leap: BECAUSE it causes an uproar.

      Doing another "ethnic" princess is another safe and easy movie. Doing a lesbian princess is a bold movie that would represent a leap forward for Disney as a whole, and put the company on a whole new level.

      Actually, the concept of making "progress" by introducing a lesbian princess is not one that everyone would call progress and is simply an opinion that you are stating here as fact. Even though about half of Americans are ok with the idea of allowing gay marriage, not nearly that many actually support the idea (and want their children following it), and only 5% of the population are homosexual. We haven't appeased the approximately 14% of the population that's black, or the growing Hispanic/Latino population (which I am a part of), and the majority of America still do not accept homosexuality as something they want to teach their children, so why should Disney go there? Why not start with a disabled princess, or a disfigured princess, or even an overweight princess (not that we want to encourage obesity either)? There are far morer children in the world with these problems (and in the targeted age range) that could benefit from having a hero like that.

      Yeah, agreed. Not everyone is really going to start claiming homosexuality is a normal thing, so don't bother making a lesbian princess (besides, need I really remind everyone about what nearly happened to Disney when a preacher caused a scandal about Disney allegedly promoting the gay agenda in Frozen? That was costly to Disney, and I doubt they'd want a retread of that). We could have a wheelchair bound DP, or an amputee DP, though, since believe it or not there are a lot more of those who need these things to look up to.

      I'm not really in favor of the pandering to other races though. When are people going to focus on the Princess's content of character rather than just their ethnicity?

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    • SASSYBADGERMOLE2336 wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      SASSYBADGERMOLE2336 wrote:
      EowyntheFair wrote:
      I think you mean "alien".


      Also, "I wanna where they would go with that" is really not a complete sentence. lol.

      Oh, my bad, I meant "i wanna know where they go with that"

      And i don't think they meant to misspell that :)

      I don´t think that could be a good idea.
      why

      Because I don´t think it could be marketable or appealing to young children. it sounds strange and I think that kind of princesses belongs to another kind of movies ( real action sci fi movies) Just look what happened to Kida ( Atlantis) it is an entire fictional princess based on an entire fictional civilization. and she doesn't made it to enter the Princess franchise.

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    • I can have the Canadian Princess will Bilbo Baggins' role in immortal Jack Skellington form if you pardon me.

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    • I agreEowyntheFair wrote:
      Agustinaldo wrote:
      But that's how you know that you made a big leap: BECAUSE it causes an uproar.

      Doing another "ethnic" princess is another safe and easy movie. Doing a lesbian princess is a bold movie that would represent a leap forward for Disney as a whole, and put the company on a whole new level.

      Actually, the concept of making "progress" by introducing a lesbian princess is not one that everyone would call progress and is simply an opinion that you are stating here as fact. Even though about half of Americans are ok with the idea of allowing gay marriage, not nearly that many actually support the idea (and want their children following it), and only 5% of the population are homosexual. We haven't appeased the approximately 14% of the population that's black, or the growing Hispanic/Latino population (which I am a part of), and the majority of America still do not accept homosexuality as something they want to teach their children, so why should Disney go there? Why not start with a disabled princess, or a disfigured princess, or even an overweight princess (not that we want to encourage obesity either)? There are far morer children in the world with these problems (and in the targeted age range) that could benefit from having a hero like that.

      I agree with you, It is better to base an history on appealing characters that everyone can have some empathy. making a " fat princess" , a " disabled princess" or a "Lesbian princess" are just bad ideas.

      If I were Disney I would stick on a more traditional princess history and it will work. But yes there is possible to make some " ethnical princesses" and i think it is ok. my suggestion here is why not try an Aztec princess since Aztec mythology is actually very rich and popular, I suggest Disney must make an adaptation of the " legend of the volcanoes " that is a love story between a warrior and a princess based upon the shape of 2 volcanoes in mexico. Here is this tale in english: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popocat%C3%A9petl_and_Iztacc%C3%ADhuatl

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      SASSYBADGERMOLE2336 wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      SASSYBADGERMOLE2336 wrote:
      EowyntheFair wrote:
      I think you mean "alien".


      Also, "I wanna where they would go with that" is really not a complete sentence. lol.

      Oh, my bad, I meant "i wanna know where they go with that"

      And i don't think they meant to misspell that :)

      I don´t think that could be a good idea.
      why
      Because I don´t think it could be marketable or appealing to young children. it sounds strange and I think that kind of princesses belongs to another kind of movies ( real action sci fi movies) Just look what happened to Kida ( Atlantis) it is an entire fictional princess based on an entire fictional civilization. and she doesn't made it to enter the Princess franchise.

      Then perhaps pixar could make an alien princess movie instead.....

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    • I would love to see a Disney Princess who is less beatiful, or at least overweight. Because the Princess is always so self-confident, which makes me wonder: "Would the girl still be so sure of herself if she had less going for her? If her heart sank every time she looked in the mirror or tried on a dress?" Maybe her family would pressure her or look down on her, and she wouldn't be threatened by a villain, but by those close to her who want to help, but don't do it in the right way, and by her own weaknesses. In the end, she would discover her value, she would learn to love herself the way she is.

      Also, if she has a love interest, it would be so much more meaningful, if he loved her despite her misgivings, because so far, the princes have been cheating sometimes, loving girls that were so easy to love, it's hard to take them seriously.  IMO, the only princesses that displayed imperfect characters (making them more relatable) were: Belle and Tiana, maybe also Rapunzel and Anna. Oh, an Elsa, but of course, she didn't get a love interest, since she didn't fit in the Disney Princess mold.

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    • Like Cinderella's stepsister Anastasia, she would be a good example.

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    • Somebodybends wrote:
      I would love to see a Disney Princess who is less beatiful, or at least overweight. Because the Princess is always so self-confident, which makes me wonder: "Would the girl still be so sure of herself if she had less going for her? If her heart sank every time she looked in the mirror or tried on a dress?" Maybe her family would pressure her or look down on her, and she wouldn't be threatened by a villain, but by those close to her who want to help, but don't do it in the right way, and by her own weaknesses. In the end, she would discover her value, she would learn to love herself the way she is.

      Also, if she has a love interest, it would be so much more meaningful, if he loved her despite her misgivings, because so far, the princes have been cheating sometimes, loving girls that were so easy to love, it's hard to take them seriously.  IMO, the only princesses that displayed imperfect characters (making them more relatable) were: Belle and Tiana, maybe also Rapunzel and Anna. Oh, an Elsa, but of course, she didn't get a love interest, since she didn't fit in the Disney Princess mold.

      I don't think that kind of character would work well, people tend to relate more on appealing charachters with strong personalities but also with good looking appearance. just the examples you give ( Rapunzel, Tiana, Belle and Anna) share both characteristics they are beatiful and young woman with a well defined personality and  also strong charachter attributes and clear  goals.

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      Somebodybends wrote:
      I would love to see a Disney Princess who is less beatiful, or at least overweight. Because the Princess is always so self-confident, which makes me wonder: "Would the girl still be so sure of herself if she had less going for her? If her heart sank every time she looked in the mirror or tried on a dress?" Maybe her family would pressure her or look down on her, and she wouldn't be threatened by a villain, but by those close to her who want to help, but don't do it in the right way, and by her own weaknesses. In the end, she would discover her value, she would learn to love herself the way she is.

      Also, if she has a love interest, it would be so much more meaningful, if he loved her despite her misgivings, because so far, the princes have been cheating sometimes, loving girls that were so easy to love, it's hard to take them seriously.  IMO, the only princesses that displayed imperfect characters (making them more relatable) were: Belle and Tiana, maybe also Rapunzel and Anna. Oh, an Elsa, but of course, she didn't get a love interest, since she didn't fit in the Disney Princess mold.

      I don't think that kind of character would work well, people tend to relate more on appealing charachters with strong personalities but also with good looking appearance. just the examples you give ( Rapunzel, Tiana, Belle and Anna) share both characteristics they are beatiful and young woman with a well defined personality and  also strong charachter attributes and clear  goals.

      I'm not quite sure Belle was all that "good-looking," especially considering the triplets, that feather duster maid's human form, and the like looked like the kind of characters you would expect from something like the Dead or Alive franchise (which is rather infamous for how its girls are designed and placing a huge amount of emphasis on their physical beauty, especially their... ahem, "assets."), not to mention there wasn't any indication that the triplets at least actually were internally ugly or impure compared to Belle in the film (quite the opposite in fact: even with their Gaston, they actually, and ironically, came across as being far closer to the mark of being pure of heart than Belle). Sure, Ariel had a rival in the looks department in the form of Vanessa, but at least the latter actually was shown to be internally ugly in terms of character, not to mention was a disguise for Ursula, who most certainly was hideous even on the outside. Now don't get me wrong, Belle's not ugly, on the outside at least (she'd need to look more like the Evil Queen's witch form, or at the very least more like Drizella and Anastasia, before she can qualify as ugly on the outside), but she's not exactly that good-looking either. As far as strong personalities, I'm not so sure Belle's personality was all that strong. She's supposed to be smart, but she made several exceedingly stupid decisions, several of which nearly got her and others killed. In fact, the only thing suggestible about any intelligence besides her love of reading (which, take it from someone who has completed College, is not all it's cracked up to be in terms of intelligence) was the fact that she deduced without any help whatsoever that the castle was enchanted, as well as Gaston being behind the arrest of her dad to blackmail her. Not to mention she was actually shown to be quite arrogant in the opening song, not to mention a pretty big jerk especially when she refused Gaston, or rather, HOW she refused him. Seriously, Belle, couldn't you at least react to Gaston being thrown into the mud by you like how Honoka sometimes reacts if she wins in Dead or Alive 5 Last Round, especially if it was unintentional (and in case anyone can't watch the Youtube video for whatever reason, sometimes if Honoka wins, she gasps in horror, bows [Honoka's Japanese, BTW] while saying "I'm so sorry!" in what was obviously an apologetic tone, rushes to the fallen opponent and reaches out to them and says "Can you stand up?". I don't necessarily care for the character, but even still... You can find a GIF of the victory pose here, but it won't be with sound, unfortunately.)? Not to mention her... behavior to Beast in the first night came across as very jerkish. Sure, Beast was a jerk as well during that scene, but at least he tried to make an effort to be nice to her. Least she could do is go down to dinner with him, at least to heed his wishes even if she doesn't like him.

      I'd comment on Tiana, but I've never actually seen the film (though I will mention I didn't really like the fact that she smacked around Naveen too much, at least based on the trailers.).

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    • Always and Forever - Tiana and Naveen :-o, they are the best Disney couple EVER!!!!!!!!

      Tiana is supercool (not to mention morally sound) and Naveen is so good!

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:

      Somebodybends wrote:
      I would love to see a Disney Princess who is less beatiful, or at least overweight. Because the Princess is always so self-confident, which makes me wonder: "Would the girl still be so sure of herself if she had less going for her? If her heart sank every time she looked in the mirror or tried on a dress?" Maybe her family would pressure her or look down on her, and she wouldn't be threatened by a villain, but by those close to her who want to help, but don't do it in the right way, and by her own weaknesses. In the end, she would discover her value, she would learn to love herself the way she is.

      Also, if she has a love interest, it would be so much more meaningful, if he loved her despite her misgivings, because so far, the princes have been cheating sometimes, loving girls that were so easy to love, it's hard to take them seriously.  IMO, the only princesses that displayed imperfect characters (making them more relatable) were: Belle and Tiana, maybe also Rapunzel and Anna. Oh, an Elsa, but of course, she didn't get a love interest, since she didn't fit in the Disney Princess mold.

      I don't think that kind of character would work well, people tend to relate more on appealing charachters with strong personalities but also with good looking appearance. just the examples you give ( Rapunzel, Tiana, Belle and Anna) share both characteristics they are beatiful and young woman with a well defined personality and  also strong charachter attributes and clear  goals.

      I'm not quite sure Belle was all that "good-looking," especially considering the triplets, that feather duster maid's human form, and the like looked like the kind of characters you would expect from something like the Dead or Alive franchise (which is rather infamous for how its girls are designed and placing a huge amount of emphasis on their physical beauty, especially their... ahem, "assets."), not to mention there wasn't any indication that the triplets at least actually were internally ugly or impure compared to Belle in the film (quite the opposite in fact: even with their Gaston, they actually, and ironically, came across as being far closer to the mark of being pure of heart than Belle). Sure, Ariel had a rival in the looks department in the form of Vanessa, but at least the latter actually was shown to be internally ugly in terms of character, not to mention was a disguise for Ursula, who most certainly was hideous even on the outside. Now don't get me wrong, Belle's not ugly, on the outside at least (she'd need to look more like the Evil Queen's witch form, or at the very least more like Drizella and Anastasia, before she can qualify as ugly on the outside), but she's not exactly that good-looking either. As far as strong personalities, I'm not so sure Belle's personality was all that strong. She's supposed to be smart, but she made several exceedingly stupid decisions, several of which nearly got her and others killed. In fact, the only thing suggestible about any intelligence besides her love of reading (which, take it from someone who has completed College, is not all it's cracked up to be in terms of intelligence) was the fact that she deduced without any help whatsoever that the castle was enchanted, as well as Gaston being behind the arrest of her dad to blackmail her. Not to mention she was actually shown to be quite arrogant in the opening song, not to mention a pretty big jerk especially when she refused Gaston, or rather, HOW she refused him. Seriously, Belle, couldn't you at least react to Gaston being thrown into the mud by you like how Honoka sometimes reacts if she wins in Dead or Alive 5 Last Round, especially if it was unintentional (and in case anyone can't watch the Youtube video for whatever reason, sometimes if Honoka wins, she gasps in horror, bows [Honoka's Japanese, BTW] while saying "I'm so sorry!" in what was obviously an apologetic tone, rushes to the fallen opponent and reaches out to them and says "Can you stand up?". I don't necessarily care for the character, but even still... You can find a GIF of the victory pose here, but it won't be with sound, unfortunately.)? Not to mention her... behavior to Beast in the first night came across as very jerkish. Sure, Beast was a jerk as well during that scene, but at least he tried to make an effort to be nice to her. Least she could do is go down to dinner with him, at least to heed his wishes even if she doesn't like him.

      I'd comment on Tiana, but I've never actually seen the film (though I will mention I didn't really like the fact that she smacked around Naveen too much, at least based on the trailer

      1, Belle is still a good looking young girl that argument you made doesn't refute this fact.

      2.- that argument of " bad desicions" does not make Belle's personality  weak, in fact that wrong desitions make the movie and the charachter more interesting since that makes more human alike, and also makes this charachter more relatable for the people.

      3.- I personally don't think that the opening song have that " arrogant" taste as you mean, it seems more to me that the song reflects the clear desires and goals that Belle want to achieve and not to conform with things she already have or can achieve easily.

      4.-every relatable charachter must jhave a personality defect, but that does not make that charachter to have a weak personality, as you mean the main defect of belle is being a jerk sometimes.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:

      Somebodybends wrote:
      I would love to see a Disney Princess who is less beatiful, or at least overweight. Because the Princess is always so self-confident, which makes me wonder: "Would the girl still be so sure of herself if she had less going for her? If her heart sank every time she looked in the mirror or tried on a dress?" Maybe her family would pressure her or look down on her, and she wouldn't be threatened by a villain, but by those close to her who want to help, but don't do it in the right way, and by her own weaknesses. In the end, she would discover her value, she would learn to love herself the way she is.

      Also, if she has a love interest, it would be so much more meaningful, if he loved her despite her misgivings, because so far, the princes have been cheating sometimes, loving girls that were so easy to love, it's hard to take them seriously.  IMO, the only princesses that displayed imperfect characters (making them more relatable) were: Belle and Tiana, maybe also Rapunzel and Anna. Oh, an Elsa, but of course, she didn't get a love interest, since she didn't fit in the Disney Princess mold.

      I don't think that kind of character would work well, people tend to relate more on appealing charachters with strong personalities but also with good looking appearance. just the examples you give ( Rapunzel, Tiana, Belle and Anna) share both characteristics they are beatiful and young woman with a well defined personality and  also strong charachter attributes and clear  goals.

      I'm not quite sure Belle was all that "good-looking," especially considering the triplets, that feather duster maid's human form, and the like looked like the kind of characters you would expect from something like the Dead or Alive franchise (which is rather infamous for how its girls are designed and placing a huge amount of emphasis on their physical beauty, especially their... ahem, "assets."), not to mention there wasn't any indication that the triplets at least actually were internally ugly or impure compared to Belle in the film (quite the opposite in fact: even with their Gaston, they actually, and ironically, came across as being far closer to the mark of being pure of heart than Belle). Sure, Ariel had a rival in the looks department in the form of Vanessa, but at least the latter actually was shown to be internally ugly in terms of character, not to mention was a disguise for Ursula, who most certainly was hideous even on the outside. Now don't get me wrong, Belle's not ugly, on the outside at least (she'd need to look more like the Evil Queen's witch form, or at the very least more like Drizella and Anastasia, before she can qualify as ugly on the outside), but she's not exactly that good-looking either. As far as strong personalities, I'm not so sure Belle's personality was all that strong. She's supposed to be smart, but she made several exceedingly stupid decisions, several of which nearly got her and others killed. In fact, the only thing suggestible about any intelligence besides her love of reading (which, take it from someone who has completed College, is not all it's cracked up to be in terms of intelligence) was the fact that she deduced without any help whatsoever that the castle was enchanted, as well as Gaston being behind the arrest of her dad to blackmail her. Not to mention she was actually shown to be quite arrogant in the opening song, not to mention a pretty big jerk especially when she refused Gaston, or rather, HOW she refused him. Seriously, Belle, couldn't you at least react to Gaston being thrown into the mud by you like how Honoka sometimes reacts if she wins in Dead or Alive 5 Last Round, especially if it was unintentional (and in case anyone can't watch the Youtube video for whatever reason, sometimes if Honoka wins, she gasps in horror, bows [Honoka's Japanese, BTW] while saying "I'm so sorry!" in what was obviously an apologetic tone, rushes to the fallen opponent and reaches out to them and says "Can you stand up?". I don't necessarily care for the character, but even still... You can find a GIF of the victory pose here, but it won't be with sound, unfortunately.)? Not to mention her... behavior to Beast in the first night came across as very jerkish. Sure, Beast was a jerk as well during that scene, but at least he tried to make an effort to be nice to her. Least she could do is go down to dinner with him, at least to heed his wishes even if she doesn't like him.

      I'd comment on Tiana, but I've never actually seen the film (though I will mention I didn't really like the fact that she smacked around Naveen too much, at least based on the trailer

      1, Belle is still a good looking young girl that argument you made doesn't refute this fact.

      2.- that argument of " bad desicions" does not make Belle's personality  weak, in fact that wrong desitions make the movie and the charachter more interesting since that makes more human alike, and also makes this charachter more relatable for the people.

      3.- I personally don't think that the opening song have that " arrogant" taste as you mean, it seems more to me that the song reflects the clear desires and goals that Belle want to achieve and not to conform with things she already have or can achieve easily.

      4.-every relatable charachter must jhave a personality defect, but that does not make that charachter to have a weak personality, as you mean the main defect of belle is being a jerk sometimes.

      1. Except it makes the opening song and Gaston's motives nonsensical (as they made clear Belle's the "most beautiful woman in the village," something the above characters actually contradicted in terms of physical appearance), that's the problem. Maybe if the triplets at least (who like it or not are the closest things to foils) were made looking more like hags compared to Belle, or even given actual internal ugliness beyond just crushing on the main bad guy, it would have been forgivable, but it wasn't.

      2. Maybe if they acknowledged them as bad decisions directly, it would work, but the problem is they DON'T acknowledge them as bad decisions exempting MAYBE her selling Beast down the river to Gaston (in fact, when Beast saved her, not only did Belle actually place blame squarely on the Beast, she actually WON the Blame Game and was treated in the right the entire time, despite the fact that pretty much the entire situation was largely her fault. Yes, Beast's temper was at fault, but that's small fry compared to deliberately disobeying a direct stipulation of staying away from the West Wing in a way that DIDN'T involve helping the Beast at all, AND idiotically nearly destroying Beast's lifeline).

      3. She was practically complaining about the village being too provincial for her tastes, rolled her eyes when the baker had to work on the bread (you know, his livelihood) instead of letting her finish, and all of that. How is that NOT being arrogant? And please don't give me the whole "it reflected clear goals." Ariel had something similar with "Part of Your World," yet even THAT didn't have her practically insulting her own home.

      4. I'm not saying characters should have zero defects (Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, and Ariel, Belle's predecessors, had some defects, namely naivety), but I do think characters, if they are intended to have the inner beauty moral, shouldn't have the kinds of defects that actually make a character impure (think Goku from Dragon Ball for what I mean by that). Besides, giving characters a lot of flaws would backfire immensely, like what happened with Woody in the Black Friday reel where, because Jeffrey Katzenberg demanded for a more adult, cynical, edgy film, Pixar was forced to make Woody into a callous jerk who let power get to his head.

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    • Jjliang wrote:
      How about a princess of a fictional race? Or a non-caucasian princess with an unusual eye color (such as green or blue)?

      Kida fits both of these (fictional Atlantean mother race; black skin, white hair, blue eyes). And she's also a Queen as well as basically immortal and fully badass.

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    • I would like a Russian princess in a film that takes place during the Bolshevik Revolution.

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    • Joseph8 wrote:
      I would like a Russian princess in a film that takes place during the Bolshevik Revolution.

      I don't know what the Bolshevik Revolution is, but growing up, I always thought Anastasia was a Disney movie (considering it has a very similar style to Hunchback, I think most kids thought that).

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:
      I would like a Russian princess in a film that takes place during the Bolshevik Revolution.

      I don't know what the Bolshevik Revolution is, but growing up, I always thought Anastasia was a Disney movie (considering it has a very similar style to Hunchback, I think most kids thought that).

      The Bolshevik Revolution was when communists overthrew the Russian government and created the Soviet Union.

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    • Joseph8 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:
      I would like a Russian princess in a film that takes place during the Bolshevik Revolution.
      I don't know what the Bolshevik Revolution is, but growing up, I always thought Anastasia was a Disney movie (considering it has a very similar style to Hunchback, I think most kids thought that).
      The Bolshevik Revolution was when communists overthrew the Russian government and created the Soviet Union.

      Ahh, so when Princess Anastasia was murdered with her family.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:
      I would like a Russian princess in a film that takes place during the Bolshevik Revolution.
      I don't know what the Bolshevik Revolution is, but growing up, I always thought Anastasia was a Disney movie (considering it has a very similar style to Hunchback, I think most kids thought that).
      The Bolshevik Revolution was when communists overthrew the Russian government and created the Soviet Union.

      Ahh, so when Princess Anastasia was murdered with her family.

      Disney should make a version of the story of Anastasia with Lenin as the villain.

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    • Joseph8 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:


      Joseph8 wrote:
      I would like a Russian princess in a film that takes place during the Bolshevik Revolution.
      I don't know what the Bolshevik Revolution is, but growing up, I always thought Anastasia was a Disney movie (considering it has a very similar style to Hunchback, I think most kids thought that).
      The Bolshevik Revolution was when communists overthrew the Russian government and created the Soviet Union.
      Ahh, so when Princess Anastasia was murdered with her family.
      Disney should make a version of the story of Anastasia with Lenin as the villain.

      the russians could not take in a good sense and can feel ofensed

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    • Javier zaldana wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:


      Joseph8 wrote:
      I would like a Russian princess in a film that takes place during the Bolshevik Revolution.
      I don't know what the Bolshevik Revolution is, but growing up, I always thought Anastasia was a Disney movie (considering it has a very similar style to Hunchback, I think most kids thought that).
      The Bolshevik Revolution was when communists overthrew the Russian government and created the Soviet Union.
      Ahh, so when Princess Anastasia was murdered with her family.
      Disney should make a version of the story of Anastasia with Lenin as the villain.

      the russians could not take in a good sense and can feel ofensed

      Didn't the Russians actually topple several Lenin statues after the USSR collapsed? I don't think they'd feel offended if Lenin is treated as a bad guy. If anything, since they toppled his statues, they'd probably agree with the depiction.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Javier zaldana wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:


      Joseph8 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:


      Joseph8 wrote:
      I would like a Russian princess in a film that takes place during the Bolshevik Revolution.
      I don't know what the Bolshevik Revolution is, but growing up, I always thought Anastasia was a Disney movie (considering it has a very similar style to Hunchback, I think most kids thought that).
      The Bolshevik Revolution was when communists overthrew the Russian government and created the Soviet Union.
      Ahh, so when Princess Anastasia was murdered with her family.
      Disney should make a version of the story of Anastasia with Lenin as the villain.
      the russians could not take in a good sense and can feel ofensed
      Didn't the Russians actually topple several Lenin statues after the USSR collapsed? I don't think they'd feel offended if Lenin is treated as a bad guy. If anything, since they toppled his statues, they'd probably agree with the depiction.

      Given how Greece reacted to Hercules, China to Mulan and the Native Americans to Pocahontas, I think it's best to stay away from Anastasia. At least until well after the 100th anniversary. Or Disney could just buy the 90's version and be done with it.

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    • What do you think of a Roman princess that converts to Christianity?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Javier zaldana wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:


      Joseph8 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:


      Joseph8 wrote:
      I would like a Russian princess in a film that takes place during the Bolshevik Revolution.
      I don't know what the Bolshevik Revolution is, but growing up, I always thought Anastasia was a Disney movie (considering it has a very similar style to Hunchback, I think most kids thought that).
      The Bolshevik Revolution was when communists overthrew the Russian government and created the Soviet Union.
      Ahh, so when Princess Anastasia was murdered with her family.
      Disney should make a version of the story of Anastasia with Lenin as the villain.
      the russians could not take in a good sense and can feel ofensed
      Didn't the Russians actually topple several Lenin statues after the USSR collapsed? I don't think they'd feel offended if Lenin is treated as a bad guy. If anything, since they toppled his statues, they'd probably agree with the depiction.

      Given how Greece reacted to Hercules, China to Mulan and the Native Americans to Pocahontas, I think it's best to stay away from Anastasia. At least until well after the 100th anniversary. Or Disney could just buy the 90's version and be done with it.

      Well, yeah, but on the other hand, if they would object to something like that, why would they topple Lenin's statues?

      Besides, France was actually pretty receptive to Beauty and the Beast despite the huge amount of liberties taken when adapting that fairy tale (which is French in origin), so not all countries will react badly to it anyway.

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    • Joseph8 wrote:
      What do you think of a Roman princess that converts to Christianity?

      I don't think that could work, basically because you have to keep in mind that many Disney fans aren't christians. i think it is a better idea to keep those princess fairytales away from religious ideas or ideologies.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      Joseph8 wrote:
      What do you think of a Roman princess that converts to Christianity?
      I don't think that could work, basically because you have to keep in mind that many Disney fans aren't christians. i think it is a better idea to keep those princess fairytales away from religious ideas or ideologies.

      specially because many of the disney princess never knows about the christianism.

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    • Javier zaldana wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:
      Joseph8 wrote:
      What do you think of a Roman princess that converts to Christianity?
      I don't think that could work, basically because you have to keep in mind that many Disney fans aren't christians. i think it is a better idea to keep those princess fairytales away from religious ideas or ideologies.

      specially because many of the disney princess never knows about the christianism.

      I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ariel converted to the Christian faith in the ending of her film, and we know Snow White most certainly is a Christian due to her praying before bed. Cinderella based on her wedding is a Christian as well. I think Rapunzel may be Christian as well, and Aurora, well, since this is before the reformation, and definitely during the time of state religions before the Enlightenment basically did away with them, it's pretty clear that she's most likely either Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, at least after she was reunited with her family. Depending on how you take King of Thieves, Jasmine might be Coptic Christian, though I'll admit that's in the gray area. Anna and Elsa are technically Christian as well, considering the coronation ceremony was held in a church. Of the DPs, the only ones who might not likely be Christian are Pocahontas (though she did convert in real life, and if Pocahontas II is anything to go by, she may have potentially converted there as well), Mulan (her story predated Christ's birth, never mind Christian conversions in China, so obviously she ain't Christian), Tiana (she did wed at a church, but she and Naveen technically first married in a voodoo ceremony, so it's debatable), and Belle (since we don't see her wed at all other than the Royal Weddings series, and even then, it doesn't even look like a typical wedding, and there are a few hints in the film at her possibly being an atheist or at the very least a deist).

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      I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ariel converted to the Christian faith in the ending of her film, and we know Snow White most certainly is a Christian due to her praying before bed. Cinderella based on her wedding is a Christian as well. I think Rapunzel may be Christian as well, and Aurora, well, since this is before the reformation, and definitely during the time of state religions before the Enlightenment basically did away with them, it's pretty clear that she's most likely either Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, at least after she was reunited with her family. Depending on how you take King of Thieves, Jasmine might be Coptic Christian, though I'll admit that's in the gray area. Anna and Elsa are technically Christian as well, considering the coronation ceremony was held in a church. Of the DPs, the only ones who might not likely be Christian are Pocahontas (though she did convert in real life, and if Pocahontas II is anything to go by, she may have potentially converted there as well), Mulan (her story predated Christ's birth, never mind Christian conversions in China, so obviously she ain't Christian), Tiana (she did wed at a church, but she and Naveen technically first married in a voodoo ceremony, so it's debatable), and Belle (since we don't see her wed at all other than the Royal Weddings series, and even then, it doesn't even look like a typical wedding, and there are a few hints in the film at her possibly being an atheist or at the very least a deist).

         It is worth noting how you make these wild claims as to the religion of different Disney characters. I'll admit that you can reasonably infer the religion of a few of the Princesses from scenes in their films. However many of your assertations are much less clear. Your many statements about conversion on marriage are not solid. Simply because a wedding may occur with christian elements, that does not mean a conversion of the character. They may simply be going along with the customs of the land they are marrying into. As for Jasmine, Copts never took a hold in Arabia so I am unsure how you came to that conclusion. If I may ask as well, where does it ever show Belle as an atheist. That seems like a loose claim to me. Finally it never shows Queen Elsa and Princess Anna as religious in any way. It never identifies the church as Christian, they never profess their own belief systems, and it may very well be that the chapel coronation is just a traditional service that is not of much importance to Arendelle.

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      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ariel converted to the Christian faith in the ending of her film, and we know Snow White most certainly is a Christian due to her praying before bed. Cinderella based on her wedding is a Christian as well. I think Rapunzel may be Christian as well, and Aurora, well, since this is before the reformation, and definitely during the time of state religions before the Enlightenment basically did away with them, it's pretty clear that she's most likely either Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, at least after she was reunited with her family. Depending on how you take King of Thieves, Jasmine might be Coptic Christian, though I'll admit that's in the gray area. Anna and Elsa are technically Christian as well, considering the coronation ceremony was held in a church. Of the DPs, the only ones who might not likely be Christian are Pocahontas (though she did convert in real life, and if Pocahontas II is anything to go by, she may have potentially converted there as well), Mulan (her story predated Christ's birth, never mind Christian conversions in China, so obviously she ain't Christian), Tiana (she did wed at a church, but she and Naveen technically first married in a voodoo ceremony, so it's debatable), and Belle (since we don't see her wed at all other than the Royal Weddings series, and even then, it doesn't even look like a typical wedding, and there are a few hints in the film at her possibly being an atheist or at the very least a deist).

         It is worth noting how you make these wild claims as to the religion of different Disney characters. I'll admit that you can reasonably infer the religion of a few of the Princesses from scenes in their films. However many of your assertations are much less clear. Your many statements about conversion on marriage are not solid. Simply because a wedding may occur with christian elements, that does not mean a conversion of the character. They may simply be going along with the customs of the land they are marrying into. As for Jasmine, Copts never took a hold in Arabia so I am unsure how you came to that conclusion. If I may ask as well, where does it ever show Belle as an atheist. That seems like a loose claim to me. Finally it never shows Queen Elsa and Princess Anna as religious in any way. It never identifies the church as Christian, they never profess their own belief systems, and it may very well be that the chapel coronation is just a traditional service that is not of much importance to Arendelle.

      Do you really think Ariel, who wanted to become human, would NOT convert to Christianity? Especially when the film's setting is the mid-1830s, after the French Revolution (which, BTW, was notorious for trying to exterminate Christianity in favor of human reason and emotions, liberating humanity from Christendom, and tried to outright commit genocide on us Christians), among other things (and considering her sincere desire to become human, do you really think she'd fake conversion to a religion held by humans that her own family probably doesn't even hold to and especially after they made actual peace with the humans? No, she'd actually sincerely join the church and become a believer.)? Same with Cinderella. And if Anna and Elsa were truly not Christian, they wouldn't have even bothered with the Christian coronation ceremony. If anything, Elsa would have had the bishop in charge of the ceremony slaughtered, just like Catharine the Great did, as well as Robespierre and his Jacobins (and please don't claim they were not atheists, because they were, they made their views perfectly clear on the matter), Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, and the like did, and just crown herself queen. Heck, there's even talk about how that guy who shot up a church in Charleston during a prayer meeting was most likely an atheist, and don't get me started on what that German pilot did by crashing into an area just to go out with a bang. And honestly, the only reason why any of the DPs would even marry without even converting or at best doing a false conversion is if they sought to take it down from within, and other than Belle, none of the DPs who did that would have even qualified as anti-Christian or atheists. If they did, let's just put it this way, they'd act like Karl Marx or Antonio Gramsci, which are insufferable atheistic genius narcissists who if called out state they'll annihilate anyone who goes against their "scientific" statements.

      As far as Jasmine, her wedding had Christian decor, not Muslim decor (and as Mulan II proved, Disney IS capable of showing weddings that are non-Christian in nature, so that's not even an excuse), that's why I said she was likely a Coptic Christian. And actually, there are Coptic Christians on the Arabian Peninsula (ignoring for a moment that Agrabah is more likely to be in Iraq than Saudi Arabia). Heck, many of them are actually being slaughtered as we speak.

      And lastly, with Belle, unlike the other villagers, who actually WERE shown to be religious (aside from the whole wedding set-up bit, I know they also used several references to the words "sin," "prayer", and even said "praise the lord" at one point), Belle DOESN'T express any references to religion at all. Heck, she doesn't even seem to read the bible at all (which is despite her being a huge bibliophile). And even in one of the very few sources to actually show a wedding, Royal Weddings, the "wedding" depicted is absolutely nothing like a Christian wedding or, heck, any religious wedding at all (no priest observing the ceremony and having them exchange their vows, no prayers during the service, just Adam and Belle giving a book for writing new adventures for their lives for the actual ceremony. Even with The Little Mermaid in the same source, Ariel's wedding actually resembled a Christian wedding, and that took place on a boat.).

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      Do you really think Ariel, who wanted to become human, would NOT convert to Christianity? Especially when the film's setting is the mid-1830s, after the French Revolution (which, BTW, was notorious for trying to exterminate Christianity in favor of human reason and emotions, liberating humanity from Christendom, and tried to outright commit genocide on us Christians), among other things (and considering her sincere desire to become human, do you really think she'd fake conversion to a religion held by humans that her own family probably doesn't even hold to and especially after they made actual peace with the humans? No, she'd actually sincerely join the church and become a believer.)? Same with Cinderella. And if Anna and Elsa were truly not Christian, they wouldn't have even bothered with the Christian coronation ceremony. If anything, Elsa would have had the bishop in charge of the ceremony slaughtered, just like Catharine the Great did, as well as Robespierre and his Jacobins (and please don't claim they were not atheists, because they were, they made their views perfectly clear on the matter), Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, and the like did, and just crown herself queen. Heck, there's even talk about how that guy who shot up a church in Charleston during a prayer meeting was most likely an atheist, and don't get me started on what that German pilot did by crashing into an area just to go out with a bang. And honestly, the only reason why any of the DPs would even marry without even converting or at best doing a false conversion is if they sought to take it down from within, and other than Belle, none of the DPs who did that would have even qualified as anti-Christian or atheists. If they did, let's just put it this way, they'd act like Karl Marx or Antonio Gramsci, which are insufferable atheistic genius narcissists who if called out state they'll annihilate anyone who goes against their "scientific" statements.

      As far as Jasmine, her wedding had Christian decor, not Muslim decor (and as Mulan II proved, Disney IS capable of showing weddings that are non-Christian in nature, so that's not even an excuse), that's why I said she was likely a Coptic Christian. And actually, there are Coptic Christians on the Arabian Peninsula (ignoring for a moment that Agrabah is more likely to be in Iraq than Saudi Arabia). Heck, many of them are actually being slaughtered as we speak.

      And lastly, with Belle, unlike the other villagers, who actually WERE shown to be religious (aside from the whole wedding set-up bit, I know they also used several references to the words "sin," "prayer", and even said "praise the lord" at one point), Belle DOESN'T express any references to religion at all. Heck, she doesn't even seem to read the bible at all (which is despite her being a huge bibliophile). And even in one of the very few sources to actually show a wedding, Royal Weddings, the "wedding" depicted is absolutely nothing like a Christian wedding or, heck, any religious wedding at all (no priest observing the ceremony and having them exchange their vows, no prayers during the service, just Adam and Belle giving a book for writing new adventures for their lives for the actual ceremony. Even with The Little Mermaid in the same source, Ariel's wedding actually resembled a Christian wedding, and that took place on a boat.).

        Since most of this post is non-sensical conspiracy dribbling I had some trouble reading through. On that note I will respond to the best of my ability. First off your reasoning for Ariel's conversion is anything but reasonable. You did not address my misgivings about your point. Secondly you also refuse to consider that Elsa's coronation by bishop may be an old custom, which may not even be christian to begin with. Also there are no bishops in Russia, Russia being the largest Orthodox nation, so how Catherine killed any is beyond me. Next up how many times must I inform you Robespierre was not an atheist. The kid who shot up the church in Charleston did so because the people inside were black, not due to some war on religion as Fox would have you believe. Which German pilot do you mean. Also judging from your final paragraph you seem to confuse anti-christians, atheists, and secular stories.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Javier zaldana wrote:




      Papermaniac wrote:
      Joseph8 wrote:
      What do you think of a Roman princess that converts to Christianity?
      I don't think that could work, basically because you have to keep in mind that many Disney fans aren't christians. i think it is a better idea to keep those princess fairytales away from religious ideas or ideologies.
      specially because many of the disney princess never knows about the christianism.
      I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ariel converted to the Christian faith in the ending of her film, and we know Snow White most certainly is a Christian due to her praying before bed. Cinderella based on her wedding is a Christian as well. I think Rapunzel may be Christian as well, and Aurora, well, since this is before the reformation, and definitely during the time of state religions before the Enlightenment basically did away with them, it's pretty clear that she's most likely either Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, at least after she was reunited with her family. Depending on how you take King of Thieves, Jasmine might be Coptic Christian, though I'll admit that's in the gray area. Anna and Elsa are technically Christian as well, considering the coronation ceremony was held in a church. Of the DPs, the only ones who might not likely be Christian are Pocahontas (though she did convert in real life, and if Pocahontas II is anything to go by, she may have potentially converted there as well), Mulan (her story predated Christ's birth, never mind Christian conversions in China, so obviously she ain't Christian), Tiana (she did wed at a church, but she and Naveen technically first married in a voodoo ceremony, so it's debatable), and Belle (since we don't see her wed at all other than the Royal Weddings series, and even then, it doesn't even look like a typical wedding, and there are a few hints in the film at her possibly being an atheist or at the very least a deist).

      Well Religion is somewhat implied or mentioned in all Disney movies but keep in mind that this issue isn't the main focus of the movies. All european princesses are definitively christians of some sort ( most of then probably roman catholic but none of them eastern Orthodox) and I agree with you in that part, but I have to differ about Jazmine because she actually is sunni islamic remember that her father is a Sultan and the history of Aladdin  occurs in some region of Arabia ( this fact is actually mentioned in the first song of their original movie), also you are confused since there are no christian decoration on her wedding also you have to remember that a simbol resembling a cross does not automatically means christianity and so is those doves summoned by Genie, also some of the " laws" mentioned in Aladdin resemble some arabic rules in the Coran; you also must remember that in medieval Arabia christians were tolerated but weren't allowed to rule.

      Pocahontas follows her tribal religion, Mulan believes in traditional Chinese religion. It is high likely that Moana will be a follower of a polinesian tribal religion. As Outis H. Nemo responds to you I agree with him that a wedding with christian elements does not imply necessarily that the charachter is converting to christianity. In the case of Ariel to me is highly likely that she still believes in the mermaid religion ( if the mermaids in the Disneyverse have a religion it will definitively not be christianity at all)

      Also I don´t think Belle is an atheist as you mention, being not so a religious or devoted person does not mean she doesn't believe in a particular religion or God.

      The only disney movies that I can remember that touch issues about religion itself are The hunchback of Notre Dame, Fantasia (with the last part about satanism and later on the Ave Maria depicting faithul people going into the church), Fantasia 2000 ( with the noahs Ark segment with Donald duck) 

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    • Papermaniac wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Javier zaldana wrote:




      Papermaniac wrote:
      Joseph8 wrote:
      What do you think of a Roman princess that converts to Christianity?
      I don't think that could work, basically because you have to keep in mind that many Disney fans aren't christians. i think it is a better idea to keep those princess fairytales away from religious ideas or ideologies.
      specially because many of the disney princess never knows about the christianism.
      I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ariel converted to the Christian faith in the ending of her film, and we know Snow White most certainly is a Christian due to her praying before bed. Cinderella based on her wedding is a Christian as well. I think Rapunzel may be Christian as well, and Aurora, well, since this is before the reformation, and definitely during the time of state religions before the Enlightenment basically did away with them, it's pretty clear that she's most likely either Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, at least after she was reunited with her family. Depending on how you take King of Thieves, Jasmine might be Coptic Christian, though I'll admit that's in the gray area. Anna and Elsa are technically Christian as well, considering the coronation ceremony was held in a church. Of the DPs, the only ones who might not likely be Christian are Pocahontas (though she did convert in real life, and if Pocahontas II is anything to go by, she may have potentially converted there as well), Mulan (her story predated Christ's birth, never mind Christian conversions in China, so obviously she ain't Christian), Tiana (she did wed at a church, but she and Naveen technically first married in a voodoo ceremony, so it's debatable), and Belle (since we don't see her wed at all other than the Royal Weddings series, and even then, it doesn't even look like a typical wedding, and there are a few hints in the film at her possibly being an atheist or at the very least a deist).

      Well Religion is somewhat implied or mentioned in all Disney movies but keep in mind that this issue isn't the main focus of the movies. All european princesses are definitively christians of some sort ( most of then probably roman catholic but none of them Western Orthodox) and I agree with you in that part, but I have to differ about Jazmine because she actually is sunni islamic remember that her father is a Sultan and the history of Aladdin  occurs in some region of Arabia ( this fact is actually mentioned in the first song of their original movie), also you are confused since there are no christian decoration on her wedding also you have to remember that a simbol resembling a cross does not automatically means christianity and so is those doves summoned by Genie, also some of the " laws" mentioned in Aladdin resemble some arabic rules in the Coran; you also must remember that in medieval Arabia christians were tolerated but weren't allowed to rule.

      Pocahontas follows her tribal religion, Mulan believes in traditional Chinese religion. It is high likely that Moana will be a follower of a polinesian tribal religion. As Outis H. Nemo responds to you I agree with him that a wedding with christian elements does not imply necessarily that the charachter is converting to christianity. In the case of Ariel to me is highly likely that she still believes in the mermaid religion ( if the mermaids in the Disneyverse have a religion it will definitively not be christianity at all)

      Also I don´t think Belle is an atheist as you mention, being not so a religious or devoted person does not mean she doesn't believe in a particular religion or God.

      The only disney movies that I can remember that touch issues about religion itself are The hunchback of Notre Dame, Fantasia (with the last part about satanism and later on the Ave Maria depicting faithul people going into the church), Fantasia 2000 ( with the noahs Ark segment with Donald duck) 

      I know Pocahontas actually DID convert in real life to Christianity when she wed John Rolfe (yes, of all of the inaccuracies the films did, that was one thing that was actually accurate to history), and there have been plenty of people who genuinely converted to the Christian faith during that time.

      And while that is true regarding Belle, the problem is that France has Catholicism as its dominant religion during the setting of the film (Judaism, the only other religion in France during this time, would be a minority, and even THAT has similar practices to Catholicism barring that Jesus is not our savior and their not having the new testament at all), and considering Belle makes absolutely no comment nor action that even goes so far as to imply that she even believes in Judaism, the only other religion in the area, let alone Catholicism, or heck, even believes in God, and if anything, several of her actions and nature would actually strongly suggest the exact opposite, it isn't hard to put two-and-two together regarding her most likely being an atheist (atheism was actually a growing problem in France during the late 1700s, thanks largely to the Philosophes influencing France and other Europeans and even America to some extent, including a growing anti-Christian sentiment).

      Regarding Jasmine, the problem is King of Thieves made a very Christian wedding for Aladdin and Jasmine even when they could have easily done a non-Christian wedding, specifically a Muslim one (remember, in Mulan II, they managed to pull off a wedding that had zero indications of being Christian at all, and even Royal Weddings' segment for Belle had a wedding that really didn't resemble any religious wedding at all. If they could pull off a distinctly Asian, non-Christian wedding for Mulan II, they most certainly can pull off an Islamic wedding as well. Bear in mind also that Aladdin and the King of Thieves was released before the September 11 attacks, meaning they don't even have Islam-based terrorism as an excuse.). Besides, even I mentioned that was in the gray area (and it also doesn't help that several things in both Hercules and the Arabian Night and Return of Jafar hinted that it took place during the Hellenistic Era, meaning well before Christianity even existed).

      Lastly, use common sense: If Ariel had a strong fascination and love for humanity, strong enough to actually desire to become human even if it meant leaving her race behind, do you really think that she would actually NOT convert to Christianity after she became permanently human? No, she actually would convert. Anyone who was had a strong enough love of humanity to pretty much become it and leave her family behind will most certainly have a strong enough love of it to convert to one of their religions. Not to mention, even IF for some reason she didn't convert to Christianity, there's no way she'll be able to hold to whatever mermaid religion she had by the time of Return to the Sea, since she tried to hide her own mermaid heritage from Melody for the latter's safety thanks to Morgana nearly killing her. I might as well remind you that it was strongly implied that the film took place during the 1830s, most likely 1836, and in 1848, they had a huge Paris commune that Karl Marx had a hand in, a violent demonstration, which ultimately ended in disaster, the demonstration was even modeled per Marx's specifications after the French Revolution's Reign of Terror. If Ariel was not going to be a Christian, she would have behaved like those monsters in the Communist Internationale.

      @Outis H. Nemo: Actually, I didn't even get that bit from Fox (if anything, Fox, or at least Fox News Sunday, went with the racist route as well). I got it from Conservapedia. It also doesn't help that neither his pastor nor did the Lutheran bishop of Charleston even seemed to be certain if he even set foot in his own church either. And there actually was an article which revealed that not only did he have a black drinking buddy who he considered a "homeboy" (making the racism angle questionable at best), but said drinking buddy revealed that the church he shot up wasn't even his original intended target: He actually intended to shoot up a College Campus like many other student shooters like Kent State for example. You can read up more here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132627/Charleston-killer-planned-shoot-college-campus-instead-church-claims-black-drinking-buddy-says-homeboys.html#ixzz3dieinKHA

      Oh, and I'm not mixing up anything. The guy who crashed that plane for example actually did intend to kill as many people on board as he could and was an expressed Atheist.

      And why would Arendelle, Norway even HAVE bishops if they aren't even a Christian nation to begin with? Catharine the Great may not have had bishops for the Russian Orthodox Church, but make no mistake, she did have Christians that she slaughtered. That's also why the Philosophes were huge fanboys of her, of the King of Prussia, heck, also that Chinese prince who had a violent overthrow of the Christians in China. And also, Robespierre was an atheist. He tried to exterminate Christianity as well as raze churches, and made clear alongside the other Philosophes they didn't believe in God.

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        Your clear lack of fact checking is rather distressing, as such allow me the honor of breaking apart your points. First off the Jews have very little in common with the Catholics. Besides the fact that they were both wrong of course. You are also missing the important fact that jews were not even allowed in most parts of France before the revolution you hate so very much. You still confuse a non-mention of religion as atheism which is a faulty comparison. In that paragraph I shall end with the question of why is atheism such a dreadful thing to you anyways?

      As for the wedding in King of Thieves I ask for you to define very christian and to point out how the aforementioned film demonstrates as such. Also muslims have been killing people far before 9/11, although even then I still wouldn't find that as an excuse for anything.

      You still have not proven to me that Ariel converted to anything. Simply because she doesn't profess any other religion, I don't she why she would be called christian. They're many things to like about humans religion is not one of them. Also you seem to have your history out of order. The Paris commune was caused by the krauts smashing the frogs so greatly that their government collasped. liberal parties then established the commune, which was soon suppressed however. Karl Marx, it is worth noting hand no direct hand in either the revolutions of 1848 nor in the Paris commune. I would also like to point out the first Internationale was much later than the revolutions themselves.

      The kid in Charleston was known in his area for hating black people and at the scene of the murders he claimed he wanted to start a race war. This had nothing to do with religion. Also not going to a church does not equal atheism. I still don't know which plane you mean.

      As for the finale, Arendelle is not set in Norway itself. It is greatly inspired by Norway, it is however, seperate from Norway. Also you can't verify that the bishop was christian. Please tell me exactly who Catherine killed and why? Christians were never in power in China so how were they overthrown as well?  And to end Robespierre was clearly not an atheist, why don't you check a source other than Conservapedia?

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    • I was going to give you a full response, but then the system logged me out, so instead, I'll give you plenty of reading material for you to read:

        1. James Adair (2007). Christianity: The eBook p. 461. JBE Online Books. Retrieved on July 18, 2014. “Although the Civil Constitution called for religious liberty, which was extended to Jews as well as Christians, many revolutionaries pushed for the establishment of a new state religion, either the Cult of Reason (atheists) or the Cult of the Supreme Being (Deists). Changes to the calendar eliminated references to Christian holidays, and even the ancient seven-day week, and a list of officially recognized saints included such famous thinkers such as Socrates, Jesus, Marcus Aurelius, and Jean-Jacques Rousseau. A period of political persecution, often with religious overtones, broke out, known as the Reign of Terror. Thousands of people were executed by the guillotine, including many of the original leaders of the French Revolution.”
        2. William Belsham (1801). Memoirs of the Reign of George III. to the Session of Parliament ending A.D. 1793, Volume 5 pp. 105-6. G.G. & J. Robinson. Retrieved on July 18, 2014. “In allusion to the monstrous transactions of this portentous period, it has been eloquently and energetically observed, 'that the reign of atheism in France was avowed the reign of terror. In the full madness of their career, in the highest climax of their horrors, they shut up the temples of God, abolished His worship, and proclaimed death to be an eternal sleep:—in the very centre of Christendom, Revelation underwent a total eclipse, while atheism, performing on a darkened theatre its strange and fearful tragedy, confounded the first elements of society, blended every age, rank, and sex, indiscriminate proscription and massacre, and convulsed all Europe to its centre, that the imperishable memorial of these events might teach the last generations of mankind to consider religion as the pillar of society, the parent of social order, and the safe-guard of nations.'

      "It is wonderful that, amid the horrors of this dismal period, while 'the death dance of democratic revolution' was still in rapid movement, among the tears of affliction, and the cries of despair, 'the masque, the song, the theatric scene, the buffoon laughter, went on as regularly as in the gay hour of festive peace.'”

        1. William Kilpatrick (2012). Christianity, Islam, and Atheism: The Struggle for the Soul of the West p. 57. Ignatius Press. Retrieved on July 18, 2014. “Actually, it's helpful to think in terms of two Enlightenments: the Enlightenment that cut itself off from God. The former led to the American Revolution, the Declaration of Independence, the abolition of slavery, and the civil rights movement. The latter led to the French Revolution, the Reign of Terror, the suppression of church by state, and the godless philosophies of Marx and Nietzsche and their offspring—National Socialism and communism. More recently the abandonment of God has led to the regime of cultural relativism that regards rights as arbitrary constructions.

      "It's this second Enlightenment tradition that Cardinal Ratzinger referred to when he wrote, 'The radical detachment of the Enlightenment philosophy from its roots ultimately leads it to dispense with man.' Actually this transition happened not 'ultimately' but almost immediately. The first instance occurred when Enlightenment worship of abstract 'reason' and 'liberty' degenerated quickly into the mass murders committed during the antireligious Reign of Terror in France. 'Liberty, what crimes are committed in your name', said Madam Rolande as she faced the statue of Liberty in the Place de la Revolution movements before her death at the guillotine. She was one of the early victims of a succession of secular systems based on rootless notions of 'liberty', 'equality', and 'reason'. "As many historians have pointed out, the atheist regimes of modern times are guilty of far more crimes than any committed in the name of religion. Communist governments alone were guilty of more than one hundred million murders, most of them committed against their own people.”

      Black Book of Communism;

      The Naked Communist;

      Operation Parricide;

      Intellectuals by Paul Johnson (particularly Karl Marx's chapter);

      Timothy Shoebat's Religious Liberty Leads To Tyranny (especially the Voltaire section);

      The Age of Enlightenment Is Not Over by Gary Potter on Catholicism.org;

      If Ariel weren't Christian, or heck, was an atheist, she would have done what Marx and his followers, not to mention the French Revolutionaries did.

      And on a concluding note, the plane I'm referring to is the one Lubiz crashed into a mountain several months back, and if Roof was truly seeking a race war only and religion had no role in it, why did he change plans and specifically attack a church in Charleston? Especially when his black homeboy drinking buddy specifically mentioned he originally planned to shoot up a College Campus? And if the bishop wasn't Christian, how can he be a bishop? He'd need to be Christian to even have the position of bishop, genius!

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    • Again mentioning nothing about a religion or god DOES NOT MEAN that person doesn't have any religion or aren't christian ( this regarding to Belle) also you must remember that many weddings have a party before or after the wedding religious ceremony and that is what was depicted in belles wedding ( the party but not the wedding religious ceremony), not all christian denominations only have religious ceremony like yours. Also being an intellectual person who has little or no interest on religion DOES NOT MEAN atheism by default.

      Secondly and again The " king of Thieves " movie is highly innaccurate and having a wedding that somewhat resembles a christian one does not mean those charachters are christians , dont be a fool. You lose my point in the previous comment i've made, there are a lot  more number of reasons to believe that Jasmine is Muslim and not Christian, and well let me show you a real muslim wedding : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBFGj_6zJE .  You must learn more about the filology of religions since you must know all kinds of weddings have several resemblances among different religions. Also that Hercules and Aladdin crossover aren´t cannon ( and anyway that crossover is also innacurate since in the first movie several charachters mention the name " Allah").

      Thirth a fascination for another culture has nothing to do with personal believes. For example a person can genuinely like the culture of another country or civilization but that does not mean that this person would convert to the predominant religion of that country or civilization, if that will the case here in my country Mexico a large portion of people must be mesoamerican politeists because most mexicans are fascinated with the civilization of local precolumbian natives and in reality most mexicans are still roman catholic. The same applies to Ariel she can genuinely like the human civilization but that does not mean she has converted to christianity at all. Also hiding her mermaid heritage from her daughter does not mean anything about their personal believes, this only means that she wants to protect her from the dangers of the sea that presumibably she know better than her husband. And as her daughter is human born maybe she aqnd her husband decided to educate her in the father religion. However this things aren´t mentioned in the movie. we can just only speculate about the personal believes of those charachters. You are tolding us to use common sense, please apply this first to yourself since you are not understanding any of my points of view.

      Finally please someone give him an history book he is misunderstanding several history facts about religion  communism and atheism.

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      What do you think of a Roman princess that converts to Christianity?
      I don't think that could work, basically because you have to keep in mind that many Disney fans aren't christians. i think it is a better idea to keep those princess fairytales away from religious ideas or ideologies.
      specially because many of the disney princess never knows about the christianism.
      I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ariel converted to the Christian faith in the ending of her film, and we know Snow White most certainly is a Christian due to her praying before bed. Cinderella based on her wedding is a Christian as well. I think Rapunzel may be Christian as well, and Aurora, well, since this is before the reformation, and definitely during the time of state religions before the Enlightenment basically did away with them, it's pretty clear that she's most likely either Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, at least after she was reunited with her family. Depending on how you take King of Thieves, Jasmine might be Coptic Christian, though I'll admit that's in the gray area. Anna and Elsa are technically Christian as well, considering the coronation ceremony was held in a church. Of the DPs, the only ones who might not likely be Christian are Pocahontas (though she did convert in real life, and if Pocahontas II is anything to go by, she may have potentially converted there as well), Mulan (her story predated Christ's birth, never mind Christian conversions in China, so obviously she ain't Christian), Tiana (she did wed at a church, but she and Naveen technically first married in a voodoo ceremony, so it's debatable), and Belle (since we don't see her wed at all other than the Royal Weddings series, and even then, it doesn't even look like a typical wedding, and there are a few hints in the film at her possibly being an atheist or at the very least a deist).
      Well Religion is somewhat implied or mentioned in all Disney movies but keep in mind that this issue isn't the main focus of the movies. All european princesses are definitively christians of some sort ( most of then probably roman catholic but none of them Western Orthodox) and I agree with you in that part, but I have to differ about Jazmine because she actually is sunni islamic remember that her father is a Sultan and the history of Aladdin  occurs in some region of Arabia ( this fact is actually mentioned in the first song of their original movie), also you are confused since there are no christian decoration on her wedding also you have to remember that a simbol resembling a cross does not automatically means christianity and so is those doves summoned by Genie, also some of the " laws" mentioned in Aladdin resemble some arabic rules in the Coran; you also must remember that in medieval Arabia christians were tolerated but weren't allowed to rule.

      Pocahontas follows her tribal religion, Mulan believes in traditional Chinese religion. It is high likely that Moana will be a follower of a polinesian tribal religion. As Outis H. Nemo responds to you I agree with him that a wedding with christian elements does not imply necessarily that the charachter is converting to christianity. In the case of Ariel to me is highly likely that she still believes in the mermaid religion ( if the mermaids in the Disneyverse have a religion it will definitively not be christianity at all)

      Also I don´t think Belle is an atheist as you mention, being not so a religious or devoted person does not mean she doesn't believe in a particular religion or God.

      The only disney movies that I can remember that touch issues about religion itself are The hunchback of Notre Dame, Fantasia (with the last part about satanism and later on the Ave Maria depicting faithul people going into the church), Fantasia 2000 ( with the noahs Ark segment with Donald duck) 

      I know Pocahontas actually DID convert in real life to Christianity when she wed John Rolfe (yes, of all of the inaccuracies the films did, that was one thing that was actually accurate to history), and there have been plenty of people who genuinely converted to the Christian faith during that time.

      And while that is true regarding Belle, the problem is that France has Catholicism as its dominant religion during the setting of the film (Judaism, the only other religion in France during this time, would be a minority, and even THAT has similar practices to Catholicism barring that Jesus is not our savior and their not having the new testament at all), and considering Belle makes absolutely no comment nor action that even goes so far as to imply that she even believes in Judaism, the only other religion in the area, let alone Catholicism, or heck, even believes in God, and if anything, several of her actions and nature would actually strongly suggest the exact opposite, it isn't hard to put two-and-two together regarding her most likely being an atheist (atheism was actually a growing problem in France during the late 1700s, thanks largely to the Philosophes influencing France and other Europeans and even America to some extent, including a growing anti-Christian sentiment).

      Regarding Jasmine, the problem is King of Thieves made a very Christian wedding for Aladdin and Jasmine even when they could have easily done a non-Christian wedding, specifically a Muslim one (remember, in Mulan II, they managed to pull off a wedding that had zero indications of being Christian at all, and even Royal Weddings' segment for Belle had a wedding that really didn't resemble any religious wedding at all. If they could pull off a distinctly Asian, non-Christian wedding for Mulan II, they most certainly can pull off an Islamic wedding as well. Bear in mind also that Aladdin and the King of Thieves was released before the September 11 attacks, meaning they don't even have Islam-based terrorism as an excuse.). Besides, even I mentioned that was in the gray area (and it also doesn't help that several things in both Hercules and the Arabian Night and Return of Jafar hinted that it took place during the Hellenistic Era, meaning well before Christianity even existed).

      Lastly, use common sense: If Ariel had a strong fascination and love for humanity, strong enough to actually desire to become human even if it meant leaving her race behind, do you really think that she would actually NOT convert to Christianity after she became permanently human? No, she actually would convert. Anyone who was had a strong enough love of humanity to pretty much become it and leave her family behind will most certainly have a strong enough love of it to convert to one of their religions. Not to mention, even IF for some reason she didn't convert to Christianity, there's no way she'll be able to hold to whatever mermaid religion she had by the time of Return to the Sea, since she tried to hide her own mermaid heritage from Melody for the latter's safety thanks to Morgana nearly killing her. I might as well remind you that it was strongly implied that the film took place during the 1830s, most likely 1836, and in 1848, they had a huge Paris commune that Karl Marx had a hand in, a violent demonstration, which ultimately ended in disaster, the demonstration was even modeled per Marx's specifications after the French Revolution's Reign of Terror. If Ariel was not going to be a Christian, she would have behaved like those monsters in the Communist Internationale.

      @Outis H. Nemo: Actually, I didn't even get that bit from Fox (if anything, Fox, or at least Fox News Sunday, went with the racist route as well). I got it from Conservapedia. It also doesn't help that neither his pastor nor did the Lutheran bishop of Charleston even seemed to be certain if he even set foot in his own church either. And there actually was an article which revealed that not only did he have a black drinking buddy who he considered a "homeboy" (making the racism angle questionable at best), but said drinking buddy revealed that the church he shot up wasn't even his original intended target: He actually intended to shoot up a College Campus like many other student shooters like Kent State for example. You can read up more here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132627/Charleston-killer-planned-shoot-college-campus-instead-church-claims-black-drinking-buddy-says-homeboys.html#ixzz3dieinKHA

      Oh, and I'm not mixing up anything. The guy who crashed that plane for example actually did intend to kill as many people on board as he could and was an expressed Atheist.

      And why would Arendelle, Norway even HAVE bishops if they aren't even a Christian nation to begin with? Catharine the Great may not have had bishops for the Russian Orthodox Church, but make no mistake, she did have Christians that she slaughtered. That's also why the Philosophes were huge fanboys of her, of the King of Prussia, heck, also that Chinese prince who had a violent overthrow of the Christians in China. And also, Robespierre was an atheist. He tried to exterminate Christianity as well as raze churches, and made clear alongside the other Philosophes they didn't believe in God.


      Again mentioning nothing about a religion or god DOES NOT MEAN that person doesn't have any religion or aren't christian ( this regarding to Belle) also you must remember that many weddings have a party before or after the wedding religious ceremony and that is what was depicted in belles wedding ( the party but not the wedding religious ceremony), not all christian denominations only have religious ceremony like yours. Also being an intellectual person who has little or no interest on religion DOES NOT MEAN atheism by default.

      Secondly and again The " king of Thieves " movie is highly innaccurate and having a wedding that somewhat resembles a christian one does not mean those charachters are christians , dont be a fool. You lose my point in the previous comment i've made, there are a lot  more number of reasons to believe that Jasmine is Muslim and not Christian, and well let me show you a real muslim wedding : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBFGj_6zJE .  You must learn more about the filology of religions since you must know all kinds of weddings have several resemblances among different religions. Also that Hercules and Aladdin crossover aren´t cannon ( and anyway that crossover is also innacurate since in the first movie several charachters mention the name " Allah").

      Thirth a fascination for another culture has nothing to do with personal believes. For example a person can genuinely like the culture of another country or civilization but that does not mean that this person would convert to the predominant religion of that country or civilization, if that will the case here in my country Mexico a large portion of people must be mesoamerican politeists because most mexicans are fascinated with the civilization of local precolumbian natives and in reality most mexicans are still roman catholic. The same applies to Ariel she can genuinely like the human civilization but that does not mean she has converted to christianity at all. Also hiding her mermaid heritage from her daughter does not mean anything about their personal believes, this only means that she wants to protect her from the dangers of the sea that presumibably she know better than her husband. And as her daughter is human born maybe she aqnd her husband decided to educate her in the father religion. However this things aren´t mentioned in the movie. we can just only speculate about the personal believes of those charachters. You are tolding us to use common sense, please apply this first to yourself since you are not understanding any of my points of view.

      Finally please someone give him an history book he is misunderstanding several history facts about religion  communism and atheism.

      1. Actually, it does mean that. I've seen plenty of historical instances of how disinterest in religion = atheism (Karl Marx, the Philosophes, the various Communist Revolutions, even the Nihilist Movement in Russia and May 1968), and besides which, I actually know someone who actually did become an atheist because of disinterest in religion.

      2. Considering Hercules and the Arabian Night IS canonical, don't bring canon stuff in there. And BTW, "Allah" is simply the Arabic term for God. Even Coptic Christians, who obviously believe in Christ and not Mohammad, still refer to God as Allah. Unless they specifically cite Mohammad, which they never did even in the original film, we can't claim they are muslim. I'll watch that video though (though I am aware that muslim weddings are pretty violent, like ripping off a chicken's head while it is still alive).

      3. Apparently, you've forgotten that Mexico became Catholic because of the Spanish settlers and missionaries bringing the religion to them, and weren't always that. Ariel actually went as far as to get rid of what made her a mermaid to live on land, a far different cry from the scenario you described. You can't say she would do something like that and not convert to one of the major religions of humanity in there.

      4. I actually have a firm understanding about religion, communism, and atheism. Heck, I even cited several sources making this very clear. If anything, the history books generally try to mask the events. History books are more likely to paint Mao Zedong as a great leader, or that Karl Marx just wanted the good in people, or even claim the French Revolution was just like the American Revolution. Heck, history books actually claim that FDR's New Deal saved America from the Great Depression when, if anything, it actually WORSENED the Depression by a great deal.

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    •    Alright first off the article you linked about the kid in Charleston contradicts your own points. And as for your snide remark about the bishop, it could some sort of fictional religion that is not described in detail. 

         The coummunist regimes killed most of their victims without religion being a factor. You seem to think that atheism makes someone a killer and a vile person. You are mistaken. There is no internal drive as atheists to kill people. Also bang up job of hamfisting the New Deal into this.

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    • Outis H. Nemo wrote:    Alright first off the article you linked about the kid in Charleston contradicts your own points. And as for your snide remark about the bishop, it could some sort of fictional religion that is not described in detail. 

         The coummunist regimes killed most of their victims without religion being a factor. You seem to think that atheism makes someone a killer and a vile person. You are mistaken. There is no internal drive as atheists to kill people. Also bang up job of hamfisting the New Deal into this.

      Actually, the article specifically mentions that the kid actually considered shooting up a college campus. The guys who did Conservapedia read the article. How else would they have even included it and noted this, anyways?

      And for the record, religion played a very huge factor in how the communist regimes killed people. Marx even advocated for murdering Christians and eliminating religion and the family unit in the ten planks of communism. Battleship Ptolmkin even had a pivotal scene where a communist insurrection on the Ptolmkin trying to kill a bishop. Oh, and I might as well tell you that it wasn't just the Communist regimes that did this, as even atheistic anarchistic regimes (which, BTW, are antithetical to Communism since anarchists are against any authority, while Communists are for totalitarian authority) such as the Russian Nihilist Movement helmed by Bakukin tried to slaughter religion. And that's not even taking into account the French Revolution which tried to exterminate religion and specifically targeted religious people for extermination, long before Marx himself was even born. You must have gotten the public education standard, because what you recited is actually sophomoric, I'm afraid to say. And BTW, if I were to become an atheist, I actually would go kill my Christian brethren specifically because, since there's no God that exists, why shouldn't I do so? So yes, becoming an atheist does have an internal drive to kill people.

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    •    So many false statements, it's a good thing I have so much free time. Religion is not even mentioned in the Ten planks. The Ptolmkin had nothing to do with communists, unless you mean the film in which case  you are talking about a bastardized story. I will repeat, there are no bishops in Russia.  You continue to confuse atheism with anti-theism, and anti-theism with the desire to kill others. Also If I may add I do not have a public education. I see public schools for the joke they are, and I ask you to convey to me what is so sophomoric about anything I said. To finish off, if you want to kill people just by becoming an atheist, that is a serious problem you should get checked out. Atheism doesn't make you a killer. Last time I checked I have not killed anyone, rather odd isn't it.

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    • Outis H. Nemo wrote:    So many false statements, it's a good thing I have so much free time. Religion is not even mentioned in the Ten planks. The Ptolmkin had nothing to do with communists, unless you mean the film in which case  you are talking about a bastardized story. I will repeat, there are no bishops in Russia.  You continue to confuse atheism with anti-theism, and anti-theism with the desire to kill others. Also If I may add I do not have a public education. I see public schools for the joke they are, and I ask you to convey to me what is so sophomoric about anything I said. To finish off, if you want to kill people just by becoming an atheist, that is a serious problem you should get checked out. Atheism doesn't make you a killer. Last time I checked I have not killed anyone, rather odd isn't it.

      Yes, I'm talking about the film. And certainly, it was a priest.

      I can name plenty of atheists who have either killed or advocated mass-murder. Karl Marx, the Jacobins and other radical groups, Jean-Paul Sartre, Michel Foucault, Che Guevara, Pol Pot, Heidigger, Stalin, Lenin, Engels.

      And BTW, I also recognize public education to be a joke. Unfortunately, I also recognize education itself as a joke when I went to Oglethorpe University and it pushed several stuff I knew to be false.

      As far as what's so sophomoric, it's your statements about history which only proves that you really haven't done much investigating other than the spoonfeeding liberal teachers have taught you. Unlike you, I've actually gone beyond what the teachers have recommended, and I also have dug very deep into history.

      And you're right, my mistake, it wasn't the Ten Planks, but it was most certainly the Communist Manifesto that declared that religion had to go, as well as the family and all of that.

      And atheism and anti-theism are actually one and the same. Vladimir Lenin specifically stated that Marxism was atheistic on its outset, with even Marx making this clear as well, and he and his successors most certainly practiced atheism by wiping out any and all religions, even those who don't even believe in a deity (ie, Buddhism). And Jean-Paul Sartre advocated similar things even after he stopped being a communist.

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    •  The events of the film in question were unrealistic so it is not a great example of your point anyhow. I could probally list many more people who killed, and were theists themselves. Murder is not unique towards atheism. I take umbrage to you stating that I have listened to public schools. Nothing in my statments reflected such, and in fact it was you who has made several erroneous statments. I take nothing at face value and am put off by your baseless personal attacks. I will put it down once more. Atheism and anti-theism are do distinct ideas. Some atheists are anti-theists it's true. Although you could find many atheists who are apologists for religion. And once again being an anti-theist does not mean you advocate murder.

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      1.- You are just wrong , disinterest in religion does not equal atheism,an example of this can be found in countries like my Mexico, where most people claim to be Roman Catholic but actually  that does not reflects in church assistance  or interest in religion at least inthe major cities of my country. you are just wrong in that claim. disinterest in religion may lead to a person to become atheist but that isn't actually a rule. and by the way we are talking about a fictional character that her history is ambiented in Medieval Europe where all non believers where persecuted ( and in the beauty and the beast I don't se the townsfolk persecuting Belle for being atheist) Belle is more likely to be a Christian  than an atheist. Please use logic.

      2.- again there are a lot of references to islam in the originall Aladdin, and by the way if you say that the crossover is canonical  you are just saying me that  therefore Jazmine just can't be Christian because classical greek mythology flourished a lot time before christianity, the crossover is not an argument in your favor. And yes we can claim those characters in Aladdin are all muslims, why? just look at them, their palace has no images in their decoration ( images of animals or persons are considered an insult), they refer to their laws as those can´t be broken (just like there is divine right like in Islam), Jazmine's Father is a Sultan, the history take place in some part of Arabia and there are Genies ( the muslims actually believe in the existance of genies), they have no dogs ( but they have other pets in their homes). and By the way you are just wrong about muslim weddings, you must remember that Islam is a widespread religion and in each country they have their regional traditions for weddings, one thing that differentiates Islam from Christianity is that they don´t follow a structurated liturgy in their religious ceremonies like in christianity. please take the basics on the Marriage on Islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Islam  where did you learned about that in Islam marriages they sacrifice chickens? they are muslims not satanist or wiccan.

      3.- You just don't understand my counterexample, I talked about my country and its most popular lreligion just for giving you an example that admiration for other cultures does not mean that people must convert to another religion. Keep in mind that precolumbian civilizations are way different to modern mexicans and most modern mexicans  admire and want to know more about those ancient cultures that lived here previous to Spanish conquest. Does that level of admiration is turning mexicans into mesoamerican politeists? no. well my counterexample was just for making the point htat having admiration for other culture doesnt mean that those persons have to convert to another religion, this is appliable to Ariel no matter what you think.

      4.- well reading your comments about religion and the idea you have about Atheism and history, is telling me the other way, that you are actually not well informed about those issues.

      and finally my original comment was for adressing that making a movie with a princess converting clearly and definely into christianity is just a bad aidea. just look our debate on the issue.

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      Joseph8 wrote:
      What do you think of a Roman princess that converts to Christianity?
      I don't think that could work, basically because you have to keep in mind that many Disney fans aren't christians. i think it is a better idea to keep those princess fairytales away from religious ideas or ideologies.
      specially because many of the disney princess never knows about the christianism.
      I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ariel converted to the Christian faith in the ending of her film, and we know Snow White most certainly is a Christian due to her praying before bed. Cinderella based on her wedding is a Christian as well. I think Rapunzel may be Christian as well, and Aurora, well, since this is before the reformation, and definitely during the time of state religions before the Enlightenment basically did away with them, it's pretty clear that she's most likely either Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, at least after she was reunited with her family. Depending on how you take King of Thieves, Jasmine might be Coptic Christian, though I'll admit that's in the gray area. Anna and Elsa are technically Christian as well, considering the coronation ceremony was held in a church. Of the DPs, the only ones who might not likely be Christian are Pocahontas (though she did convert in real life, and if Pocahontas II is anything to go by, she may have potentially converted there as well), Mulan (her story predated Christ's birth, never mind Christian conversions in China, so obviously she ain't Christian), Tiana (she did wed at a church, but she and Naveen technically first married in a voodoo ceremony, so it's debatable), and Belle (since we don't see her wed at all other than the Royal Weddings series, and even then, it doesn't even look like a typical wedding, and there are a few hints in the film at her possibly being an atheist or at the very least a deist).
      Well Religion is somewhat implied or mentioned in all Disney movies but keep in mind that this issue isn't the main focus of the movies. All european princesses are definitively christians of some sort ( most of then probably roman catholic but none of them Western Orthodox) and I agree with you in that part, but I have to differ about Jazmine because she actually is sunni islamic remember that her father is a Sultan and the history of Aladdin  occurs in some region of Arabia ( this fact is actually mentioned in the first song of their original movie), also you are confused since there are no christian decoration on her wedding also you have to remember that a simbol resembling a cross does not automatically means christianity and so is those doves summoned by Genie, also some of the " laws" mentioned in Aladdin resemble some arabic rules in the Coran; you also must remember that in medieval Arabia christians were tolerated but weren't allowed to rule.

      Pocahontas follows her tribal religion, Mulan believes in traditional Chinese religion. It is high likely that Moana will be a follower of a polinesian tribal religion. As Outis H. Nemo responds to you I agree with him that a wedding with christian elements does not imply necessarily that the charachter is converting to christianity. In the case of Ariel to me is highly likely that she still believes in the mermaid religion ( if the mermaids in the Disneyverse have a religion it will definitively not be christianity at all)

      Also I don´t think Belle is an atheist as you mention, being not so a religious or devoted person does not mean she doesn't believe in a particular religion or God.

      The only disney movies that I can remember that touch issues about religion itself are The hunchback of Notre Dame, Fantasia (with the last part about satanism and later on the Ave Maria depicting faithul people going into the church), Fantasia 2000 ( with the noahs Ark segment with Donald duck) 

      I know Pocahontas actually DID convert in real life to Christianity when she wed John Rolfe (yes, of all of the inaccuracies the films did, that was one thing that was actually accurate to history), and there have been plenty of people who genuinely converted to the Christian faith during that time.

      And while that is true regarding Belle, the problem is that France has Catholicism as its dominant religion during the setting of the film (Judaism, the only other religion in France during this time, would be a minority, and even THAT has similar practices to Catholicism barring that Jesus is not our savior and their not having the new testament at all), and considering Belle makes absolutely no comment nor action that even goes so far as to imply that she even believes in Judaism, the only other religion in the area, let alone Catholicism, or heck, even believes in God, and if anything, several of her actions and nature would actually strongly suggest the exact opposite, it isn't hard to put two-and-two together regarding her most likely being an atheist (atheism was actually a growing problem in France during the late 1700s, thanks largely to the Philosophes influencing France and other Europeans and even America to some extent, including a growing anti-Christian sentiment).

      Regarding Jasmine, the problem is King of Thieves made a very Christian wedding for Aladdin and Jasmine even when they could have easily done a non-Christian wedding, specifically a Muslim one (remember, in Mulan II, they managed to pull off a wedding that had zero indications of being Christian at all, and even Royal Weddings' segment for Belle had a wedding that really didn't resemble any religious wedding at all. If they could pull off a distinctly Asian, non-Christian wedding for Mulan II, they most certainly can pull off an Islamic wedding as well. Bear in mind also that Aladdin and the King of Thieves was released before the September 11 attacks, meaning they don't even have Islam-based terrorism as an excuse.). Besides, even I mentioned that was in the gray area (and it also doesn't help that several things in both Hercules and the Arabian Night and Return of Jafar hinted that it took place during the Hellenistic Era, meaning well before Christianity even existed).

      Lastly, use common sense: If Ariel had a strong fascination and love for humanity, strong enough to actually desire to become human even if it meant leaving her race behind, do you really think that she would actually NOT convert to Christianity after she became permanently human? No, she actually would convert. Anyone who was had a strong enough love of humanity to pretty much become it and leave her family behind will most certainly have a strong enough love of it to convert to one of their religions. Not to mention, even IF for some reason she didn't convert to Christianity, there's no way she'll be able to hold to whatever mermaid religion she had by the time of Return to the Sea, since she tried to hide her own mermaid heritage from Melody for the latter's safety thanks to Morgana nearly killing her. I might as well remind you that it was strongly implied that the film took place during the 1830s, most likely 1836, and in 1848, they had a huge Paris commune that Karl Marx had a hand in, a violent demonstration, which ultimately ended in disaster, the demonstration was even modeled per Marx's specifications after the French Revolution's Reign of Terror. If Ariel was not going to be a Christian, she would have behaved like those monsters in the Communist Internationale.

      @Outis H. Nemo: Actually, I didn't even get that bit from Fox (if anything, Fox, or at least Fox News Sunday, went with the racist route as well). I got it from Conservapedia. It also doesn't help that neither his pastor nor did the Lutheran bishop of Charleston even seemed to be certain if he even set foot in his own church either. And there actually was an article which revealed that not only did he have a black drinking buddy who he considered a "homeboy" (making the racism angle questionable at best), but said drinking buddy revealed that the church he shot up wasn't even his original intended target: He actually intended to shoot up a College Campus like many other student shooters like Kent State for example. You can read up more here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132627/Charleston-killer-planned-shoot-college-campus-instead-church-claims-black-drinking-buddy-says-homeboys.html#ixzz3dieinKHA

      Oh, and I'm not mixing up anything. The guy who crashed that plane for example actually did intend to kill as many people on board as he could and was an expressed Atheist.

      And why would Arendelle, Norway even HAVE bishops if they aren't even a Christian nation to begin with? Catharine the Great may not have had bishops for the Russian Orthodox Church, but make no mistake, she did have Christians that she slaughtered. That's also why the Philosophes were huge fanboys of her, of the King of Prussia, heck, also that Chinese prince who had a violent overthrow of the Christians in China. And also, Robespierre was an atheist. He tried to exterminate Christianity as well as raze churches, and made clear alongside the other Philosophes they didn't believe in God.

      Again mentioning nothing about a religion or god DOES NOT MEAN that person doesn't have any religion or aren't christian ( this regarding to Belle) also you must remember that many weddings have a party before or after the wedding religious ceremony and that is what was depicted in belles wedding ( the party but not the wedding religious ceremony), not all christian denominations only have religious ceremony like yours. Also being an intellectual person who has little or no interest on religion DOES NOT MEAN atheism by default.

      Secondly and again The " king of Thieves " movie is highly innaccurate and having a wedding that somewhat resembles a christian one does not mean those charachters are christians , dont be a fool. You lose my point in the previous comment i've made, there are a lot  more number of reasons to believe that Jasmine is Muslim and not Christian, and well let me show you a real muslim wedding : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBFGj_6zJE .  You must learn more about the filology of religions since you must know all kinds of weddings have several resemblances among different religions. Also that Hercules and Aladdin crossover aren´t cannon ( and anyway that crossover is also innacurate since in the first movie several charachters mention the name " Allah").

      Thirth a fascination for another culture has nothing to do with personal believes. For example a person can genuinely like the culture of another country or civilization but that does not mean that this person would convert to the predominant religion of that country or civilization, if that will the case here in my country Mexico a large portion of people must be mesoamerican politeists because most mexicans are fascinated with the civilization of local precolumbian natives and in reality most mexicans are still roman catholic. The same applies to Ariel she can genuinely like the human civilization but that does not mean she has converted to christianity at all. Also hiding her mermaid heritage from her daughter does not mean anything about their personal believes, this only means that she wants to protect her from the dangers of the sea that presumibably she know better than her husband. And as her daughter is human born maybe she aqnd her husband decided to educate her in the father religion. However this things aren´t mentioned in the movie. we can just only speculate about the personal believes of those charachters. You are tolding us to use common sense, please apply this first to yourself since you are not understanding any of my points of view.

      Finally please someone give him an history book he is misunderstanding several history facts about religion  communism and atheism.

      1. Actually, it does mean that. I've seen plenty of historical instances of how disinterest in religion = atheism (Karl Marx, the Philosophes, the various Communist Revolutions, even the Nihilist Movement in Russia and May 1968), and besides which, I actually know someone who actually did become an atheist because of disinterest in religion.

      2. Considering Hercules and the Arabian Night IS canonical, don't bring canon stuff in there. And BTW, "Allah" is simply the Arabic term for God. Even Coptic Christians, who obviously believe in Christ and not Mohammad, still refer to God as Allah. Unless they specifically cite Mohammad, which they never did even in the original film, we can't claim they are muslim. I'll watch that video though (though I am aware that muslim weddings are pretty violent, like ripping off a chicken's head while it is still alive).

      3. Apparently, you've forgotten that Mexico became Catholic because of the Spanish settlers and missionaries bringing the religion to them, and weren't always that. Ariel actually went as far as to get rid of what made her a mermaid to live on land, a far different cry from the scenario you described. You can't say she would do something like that and not convert to one of the major religions of humanity in there.

      4. I actually have a firm understanding about religion, communism, and atheism. Heck, I even cited several sources making this very clear. If anything, the history books generally try to mask the events. History books are more likely to paint Mao Zedong as a great leader, or that Karl Marx just wanted the good in people, or even claim the French Revolution was just like the American Revolution. Heck, history books actually claim that FDR's New Deal saved America from the Great Depression when, if anything, it actually WORSENED the Depression by a great deal.

      1.- You are just wrong , disinterest in religion does not equal atheism,an example of this can be found in countries like my Mexico, where most people claim to be Roman Catholic but actually  that does not reflects in church assistance  or interest in religion at least inthe major cities of my country. you are just wrong in that claim. disinterest in religion may lead to a person to become atheist but that isn't actually a rule. and by the way we are talking about a fictional character that her history is ambiented in Medieval Europe where all non believers where persecuted ( and in the beauty and the beast I don't se the townsfolk persecuting Belle for being atheist) Belle is more likely to be a Christian  than an atheist. Please use logic.

      2.- again there are a lot of references to islam in the originall Aladdin, and by the way if you say that the crossover is canonical  you are just saying me that  therefore Jazmine just can't be Christian because classical greek mythology flourished a lot time before christianity, the crossover is not an argument in your favor. And yes we can claim those characters in Aladdin are all muslims, why? just look at them, their palace has no images in their decoration ( images of animals or persons are considered an insult), they refer to their laws as those can´t be broken (just like there is divine right like in Islam), Jazmine's Father is a Sultan, the history take place in some part of Arabia and there are Genies ( the muslims actually believe in the existance of genies), they have no dogs ( but they have other pets in their homes). and By the way you are just wrong about muslim weddings, you must remember that Islam is a widespread religion and in each country they have their regional traditions for weddings, one thing that differentiates Islam from Christianity is that they don´t follow a structurated liturgy in their religious ceremonies like in christianity. please take the basics on the Marriage on Islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Islam  where did you learned about that in Islam marriages they sacrifice chickens? they are muslims not satanist or wiccan.

      3.- You just don't understand my counterexample, I talked about my country and its most popular lreligion just for giving you an example that admiration for other cultures does not mean that people must convert to another religion. Keep in mind that precolumbian civilizations are way different to modern mexicans and most modern mexicans  admire and want to know more about those ancient cultures that lived here previous to Spanish conquest. Does that level of admiration is turning mexicans into mesoamerican politeists? no. well my counterexample was just for making the point htat having admiration for other culture doesnt mean that those persons have to convert to another religion, this is appliable to Ariel no matter what you think.

      4.- well reading your comments about religion and the idea you have about Atheism and history, is telling me the other way, that you are actually not well informed about those issues.

      and finally my original comment was for adressing that making a movie with a princess converting clearly and definely into christianity is just a bad aidea. just look our debate on the issue.

      1. Actually, it does mean atheism. There is a group called agnostics, but those generally are people who are unsure one way or another whether a deity exists rather than flat out not believing one exists. Not to mention even Buddhism does have some supernatural elements while atheism doesn't even believe in supernatural elements.

      2. Have you forgotten that Genie, in that song that explains his travels after gaining his freedom from the original film, explicitly mentioned that he raced Hercules in Return of Jafar? That's another point to consider even IF Hercules and the Arabian Night is non-canon (which, really, it is canon). And actually, your claim that there are no engraven images rings hollow when the Sultan's throne is modeled after an elephant, which would be a severe taboo, not to mention having a model of Agrabah that's quite explicity stated to be a toy and his having various statues that he places atop a tower, so no, that actually would NOT indicate it's Islamic. Probably the only bit besides the references to Allah (which, again, even Coptic Christians refer to God as Allah, so that's not definitive proof) that actually MIGHT point to Islam was when the shopkeeper tried to cut Jasmine's hand off for her technically shop-lifting. I might as well also remind you that in Islam, neither Jasmine nor those balcony girls would be caught dead wearing those outfits they're wearing, since those kinds of outfits are explicitly against the Quran and Sharia Law. In fact, the fact that Jasmine, the princess, is wearing it is actually setting a very bad example on Agrabah. Also, in the TV series, Jasmine and Sadira even acted as schoolteachers at the palace, and let me tell you, if several events of the Taliban throwing acid in schoolgirls faces just for even going to go to school are anything to go by, Jasmine and Sadira would be marked for death just for doing that had it been Islam. And again, I actually acknowledged that Jasmine is in the gray area of Christianity specifically BECAUSE of these conflicting points, I never said she was definitely Christian, so stop putting words in my mouth.

      3. Except the Mexicans didn't go so far as to actually attempt to join that other culture and even go so far as to change their race to become mesoamericans. That's the only way the situation with Ariel can actually be comparable. As much as I'm not comfortable with this example, the situation with Ariel's actually more comparable with Liam Neelsen (you know, Qui-Gon Jinn) after shooting for Taken became fascinated enough with Islam and its culture that he actually decided to convert to it (and yes, that's exactly what he did).

      4. I've actually read up on historical instances of atheism trying to slaughter Christianity constantly, denigrate it, so no, I actually am very well informed on these issues (heck, I actually went far beyond what my school simply told me).

      And for the record, it doesn't matter if you think it's a bad idea, because we've already got one (The Little Mermaid, remember? Do you honestly think she would have even had the wedding, and for a culture she has little familiarity with even with her three days on land, if she truly wasn't going to convert? The only way she would have faked a conversion is if she was going to practice Taqqiya or whatever that term Islam uses for infiltrating another person's faith to advance Islam, or if she was a Communist infiltrator, like Ernest Hemmingway when he "converted" to Catholicism).

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    •   For the sake of time I shall only directly respond to any opinion points you have made and not to any false statements that can easily be refuted with a simple fact check. 

        It appears you do not know what agnostic even means. agnostic is when you can not be certain if there is a god or not. Most atheists are agnostics since most of them realize they cannot ever be sure is a god does not exist. I will agree that it is an impossible task to reveal the religion of Agrabah due to many conflicting factors. Most atheists who killed millions were communists. They killed the people not due to atheism, but due to the threat to their power they thought so many people made. There have been many dictators who were religious who killed, not explicity because of religion but for the same reasons other tyrants would.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:

      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

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      Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Javier zaldana wrote:





      Papermaniac wrote:
      Joseph8 wrote:
      What do you think of a Roman princess that converts to Christianity?
      I don't think that could work, basically because you have to keep in mind that many Disney fans aren't christians. i think it is a better idea to keep those princess fairytales away from religious ideas or ideologies.
      specially because many of the disney princess never knows about the christianism.
      I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ariel converted to the Christian faith in the ending of her film, and we know Snow White most certainly is a Christian due to her praying before bed. Cinderella based on her wedding is a Christian as well. I think Rapunzel may be Christian as well, and Aurora, well, since this is before the reformation, and definitely during the time of state religions before the Enlightenment basically did away with them, it's pretty clear that she's most likely either Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, at least after she was reunited with her family. Depending on how you take King of Thieves, Jasmine might be Coptic Christian, though I'll admit that's in the gray area. Anna and Elsa are technically Christian as well, considering the coronation ceremony was held in a church. Of the DPs, the only ones who might not likely be Christian are Pocahontas (though she did convert in real life, and if Pocahontas II is anything to go by, she may have potentially converted there as well), Mulan (her story predated Christ's birth, never mind Christian conversions in China, so obviously she ain't Christian), Tiana (she did wed at a church, but she and Naveen technically first married in a voodoo ceremony, so it's debatable), and Belle (since we don't see her wed at all other than the Royal Weddings series, and even then, it doesn't even look like a typical wedding, and there are a few hints in the film at her possibly being an atheist or at the very least a deist).
      Well Religion is somewhat implied or mentioned in all Disney movies but keep in mind that this issue isn't the main focus of the movies. All european princesses are definitively christians of some sort ( most of then probably roman catholic but none of them Western Orthodox) and I agree with you in that part, but I have to differ about Jazmine because she actually is sunni islamic remember that her father is a Sultan and the history of Aladdin  occurs in some region of Arabia ( this fact is actually mentioned in the first song of their original movie), also you are confused since there are no christian decoration on her wedding also you have to remember that a simbol resembling a cross does not automatically means christianity and so is those doves summoned by Genie, also some of the " laws" mentioned in Aladdin resemble some arabic rules in the Coran; you also must remember that in medieval Arabia christians were tolerated but weren't allowed to rule.

      Pocahontas follows her tribal religion, Mulan believes in traditional Chinese religion. It is high likely that Moana will be a follower of a polinesian tribal religion. As Outis H. Nemo responds to you I agree with him that a wedding with christian elements does not imply necessarily that the charachter is converting to christianity. In the case of Ariel to me is highly likely that she still believes in the mermaid religion ( if the mermaids in the Disneyverse have a religion it will definitively not be christianity at all)

      Also I don´t think Belle is an atheist as you mention, being not so a religious or devoted person does not mean she doesn't believe in a particular religion or God.

      The only disney movies that I can remember that touch issues about religion itself are The hunchback of Notre Dame, Fantasia (with the last part about satanism and later on the Ave Maria depicting faithul people going into the church), Fantasia 2000 ( with the noahs Ark segment with Donald duck) 

      I know Pocahontas actually DID convert in real life to Christianity when she wed John Rolfe (yes, of all of the inaccuracies the films did, that was one thing that was actually accurate to history), and there have been plenty of people who genuinely converted to the Christian faith during that time.

      And while that is true regarding Belle, the problem is that France has Catholicism as its dominant religion during the setting of the film (Judaism, the only other religion in France during this time, would be a minority, and even THAT has similar practices to Catholicism barring that Jesus is not our savior and their not having the new testament at all), and considering Belle makes absolutely no comment nor action that even goes so far as to imply that she even believes in Judaism, the only other religion in the area, let alone Catholicism, or heck, even believes in God, and if anything, several of her actions and nature would actually strongly suggest the exact opposite, it isn't hard to put two-and-two together regarding her most likely being an atheist (atheism was actually a growing problem in France during the late 1700s, thanks largely to the Philosophes influencing France and other Europeans and even America to some extent, including a growing anti-Christian sentiment).

      Regarding Jasmine, the problem is King of Thieves made a very Christian wedding for Aladdin and Jasmine even when they could have easily done a non-Christian wedding, specifically a Muslim one (remember, in Mulan II, they managed to pull off a wedding that had zero indications of being Christian at all, and even Royal Weddings' segment for Belle had a wedding that really didn't resemble any religious wedding at all. If they could pull off a distinctly Asian, non-Christian wedding for Mulan II, they most certainly can pull off an Islamic wedding as well. Bear in mind also that Aladdin and the King of Thieves was released before the September 11 attacks, meaning they don't even have Islam-based terrorism as an excuse.). Besides, even I mentioned that was in the gray area (and it also doesn't help that several things in both Hercules and the Arabian Night and Return of Jafar hinted that it took place during the Hellenistic Era, meaning well before Christianity even existed).

      Lastly, use common sense: If Ariel had a strong fascination and love for humanity, strong enough to actually desire to become human even if it meant leaving her race behind, do you really think that she would actually NOT convert to Christianity after she became permanently human? No, she actually would convert. Anyone who was had a strong enough love of humanity to pretty much become it and leave her family behind will most certainly have a strong enough love of it to convert to one of their religions. Not to mention, even IF for some reason she didn't convert to Christianity, there's no way she'll be able to hold to whatever mermaid religion she had by the time of Return to the Sea, since she tried to hide her own mermaid heritage from Melody for the latter's safety thanks to Morgana nearly killing her. I might as well remind you that it was strongly implied that the film took place during the 1830s, most likely 1836, and in 1848, they had a huge Paris commune that Karl Marx had a hand in, a violent demonstration, which ultimately ended in disaster, the demonstration was even modeled per Marx's specifications after the French Revolution's Reign of Terror. If Ariel was not going to be a Christian, she would have behaved like those monsters in the Communist Internationale.

      @Outis H. Nemo: Actually, I didn't even get that bit from Fox (if anything, Fox, or at least Fox News Sunday, went with the racist route as well). I got it from Conservapedia. It also doesn't help that neither his pastor nor did the Lutheran bishop of Charleston even seemed to be certain if he even set foot in his own church either. And there actually was an article which revealed that not only did he have a black drinking buddy who he considered a "homeboy" (making the racism angle questionable at best), but said drinking buddy revealed that the church he shot up wasn't even his original intended target: He actually intended to shoot up a College Campus like many other student shooters like Kent State for example. You can read up more here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132627/Charleston-killer-planned-shoot-college-campus-instead-church-claims-black-drinking-buddy-says-homeboys.html#ixzz3dieinKHA

      Oh, and I'm not mixing up anything. The guy who crashed that plane for example actually did intend to kill as many people on board as he could and was an expressed Atheist.

      And why would Arendelle, Norway even HAVE bishops if they aren't even a Christian nation to begin with? Catharine the Great may not have had bishops for the Russian Orthodox Church, but make no mistake, she did have Christians that she slaughtered. That's also why the Philosophes were huge fanboys of her, of the King of Prussia, heck, also that Chinese prince who had a violent overthrow of the Christians in China. And also, Robespierre was an atheist. He tried to exterminate Christianity as well as raze churches, and made clear alongside the other Philosophes they didn't believe in God.

      Again mentioning nothing about a religion or god DOES NOT MEAN that person doesn't have any religion or aren't christian ( this regarding to Belle) also you must remember that many weddings have a party before or after the wedding religious ceremony and that is what was depicted in belles wedding ( the party but not the wedding religious ceremony), not all christian denominations only have religious ceremony like yours. Also being an intellectual person who has little or no interest on religion DOES NOT MEAN atheism by default.

      Secondly and again The " king of Thieves " movie is highly innaccurate and having a wedding that somewhat resembles a christian one does not mean those charachters are christians , dont be a fool. You lose my point in the previous comment i've made, there are a lot  more number of reasons to believe that Jasmine is Muslim and not Christian, and well let me show you a real muslim wedding : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBFGj_6zJE .  You must learn more about the filology of religions since you must know all kinds of weddings have several resemblances among different religions. Also that Hercules and Aladdin crossover aren´t cannon ( and anyway that crossover is also innacurate since in the first movie several charachters mention the name " Allah").

      Thirth a fascination for another culture has nothing to do with personal believes. For example a person can genuinely like the culture of another country or civilization but that does not mean that this person would convert to the predominant religion of that country or civilization, if that will the case here in my country Mexico a large portion of people must be mesoamerican politeists because most mexicans are fascinated with the civilization of local precolumbian natives and in reality most mexicans are still roman catholic. The same applies to Ariel she can genuinely like the human civilization but that does not mean she has converted to christianity at all. Also hiding her mermaid heritage from her daughter does not mean anything about their personal believes, this only means that she wants to protect her from the dangers of the sea that presumibably she know better than her husband. And as her daughter is human born maybe she aqnd her husband decided to educate her in the father religion. However this things aren´t mentioned in the movie. we can just only speculate about the personal believes of those charachters. You are tolding us to use common sense, please apply this first to yourself since you are not understanding any of my points of view.

      Finally please someone give him an history book he is misunderstanding several history facts about religion  communism and atheism.

      1. Actually, it does mean that. I've seen plenty of historical instances of how disinterest in religion = atheism (Karl Marx, the Philosophes, the various Communist Revolutions, even the Nihilist Movement in Russia and May 1968), and besides which, I actually know someone who actually did become an atheist because of disinterest in religion.

      2. Considering Hercules and the Arabian Night IS canonical, don't bring canon stuff in there. And BTW, "Allah" is simply the Arabic term for God. Even Coptic Christians, who obviously believe in Christ and not Mohammad, still refer to God as Allah. Unless they specifically cite Mohammad, which they never did even in the original film, we can't claim they are muslim. I'll watch that video though (though I am aware that muslim weddings are pretty violent, like ripping off a chicken's head while it is still alive).

      3. Apparently, you've forgotten that Mexico became Catholic because of the Spanish settlers and missionaries bringing the religion to them, and weren't always that. Ariel actually went as far as to get rid of what made her a mermaid to live on land, a far different cry from the scenario you described. You can't say she would do something like that and not convert to one of the major religions of humanity in there.

      4. I actually have a firm understanding about religion, communism, and atheism. Heck, I even cited several sources making this very clear. If anything, the history books generally try to mask the events. History books are more likely to paint Mao Zedong as a great leader, or that Karl Marx just wanted the good in people, or even claim the French Revolution was just like the American Revolution. Heck, history books actually claim that FDR's New Deal saved America from the Great Depression when, if anything, it actually WORSENED the Depression by a great deal.

      i think that jasmine could be a arabian pagan,and she and merida and sofia could be the princes clearly pagans, sofia because she not celebrate the christmas, she celebrate the wassalia, a precristian andpagan version of these holiday, and merida could be pagan by the time where she live, before the first christian predicators came to scotia

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    • 1. Actually, it does mean atheism. There is a group called agnostics, but those generally are people who are unsure one way or another whether a deity exists rather than flat out not believing one exists. Not to mention even Buddhism does have some supernatural elements while atheism doesn't even believe in supernatural elements.

      2. Have you forgotten that Genie, in that song that explains his travels after gaining his freedom from the original film, explicitly mentioned that he raced Hercules in Return of Jafar? That's another point to consider even IF Hercules and the Arabian Night is non-canon (which, really, it is canon). And actually, your claim that there are no engraven images rings hollow when the Sultan's throne is modeled after an elephant, which would be a severe taboo, not to mention having a model of Agrabah that's quite explicity stated to be a toy and his having various statues that he places atop a tower, so no, that actually would NOT indicate it's Islamic. Probably the only bit besides the references to Allah (which, again, even Coptic Christians refer to God as Allah, so that's not definitive proof) that actually MIGHT point to Islam was when the shopkeeper tried to cut Jasmine's hand off for her technically shop-lifting. I might as well also remind you that in Islam, neither Jasmine nor those balcony girls would be caught dead wearing those outfits they're wearing, since those kinds of outfits are explicitly against the Quran and Sharia Law. In fact, the fact that Jasmine, the princess, is wearing it is actually setting a very bad example on Agrabah. Also, in the TV series, Jasmine and Sadira even acted as schoolteachers at the palace, and let me tell you, if several events of the Taliban throwing acid in schoolgirls faces just for even going to go to school are anything to go by, Jasmine and Sadira would be marked for death just for doing that had it been Islam. And again, I actually acknowledged that Jasmine is in the gray area of Christianity specifically BECAUSE of these conflicting points, I never said she was definitely Christian, so stop putting words in my mouth.

      3. Except the Mexicans didn't go so far as to actually attempt to join that other culture and even go so far as to change their race to become mesoamericans. That's the only way the situation with Ariel can actually be comparable. As much as I'm not comfortable with this example, the situation with Ariel's actually more comparable with Liam Neelsen (you know, Qui-Gon Jinn) after shooting for Taken became fascinated enough with Islam and its culture that he actually decided to convert to it (and yes, that's exactly what he did).

      4. I've actually read up on historical instances of atheism trying to slaughter Christianity constantly, denigrate it, so no, I actually am very well informed on these issues (heck, I actually went far beyond what my school simply told me).

      And for the record, it doesn't matter if you think it's a bad idea, because we've already got one (The Little Mermaid, remember? Do you honestly think she would have even had the wedding, and for a culture she has little familiarity with even with her three days on land, if she truly wasn't going to convert? The only way she would have faked a conversion is if she was going to practice Taqqiya or whatever that term Islam uses for infiltrating another person's faith to advance Islam, or if she was a Communist infiltrator, like Ernest Hemmingway when he "converted" to Catholicism).

      1.- No man you are still wrong , Atheism and agnosticism are different. Again disinterest in religion does not mean atheism, not all believers took their believes too seriously like you please try to understand. Also a person in fact can be Atheist but not Agnostic, but a person also can be Atheist and agnostic, the same goes for a Believer there are believers that are Agnostic ( they believe in a god but they actually doesn't take this statement as an absolute truth), and there are believers who aren´t agnostics. Taking the case of Belle since her history is ambiented in medieval France it is still more likely that she in fact is a christian but maybe a very moderate christian. please understand what we are telling you.

      2.- That song only tells me that Jasmine if that is the case just can´t be christian and is highly likely that she is in fact preislamic pagan ( and you must know that preislamic paganism also carries some similarities with Islam) the rings are a tradition that is not esclusive to christianity, in fact some antropologists are suggesting that the ritual of the ring can be traced to Mesopotamia and in fact is a simbolic representation of the sexual act. Also you must remember that Medieval Islam were indeed less violent in those times even against woman, also remeber that was a kids show.

      3.-  Well I know many mexicans that do in fact want to return to our native roots and there are an important portion of the middle class teenagers that think like this but are still Roman Catholic so your argument is in fact wrong again. I also Know lot of people that are fascinated with Japanese culture ( otakus) and are still Christians and no Shinto, Atheists or Budists. your counterexample is just no sufficient for making your claim about Ariel's religion.

      4.-  again you must not confuse Communism with atheism, atheism is in fact a lot older than the communism you are mentioning here, those tyrants who claimed to be atheists in fact killed people but they killed people in the name of the communism and socialism but not atheism, they tooked  wrongly the banner of atheism becuase they considered religion to be pernitious to their politic plans and policy, so please instruct yourself in neutral  sources  and try to understand, don´t be a victim of your own confirmation byass, not all books are created equal.

      5 And by the way The little Mermaid is not focused on Ariel beliefs at all. it is only focused  in her love story, the wedding is only a thrope used to tell us that she later on lived a happy life with her husband. they never even mentioned if they believe in a god in the entire movie. we can only as I said before speculate about the beliefs of those characters. Erick definitively is Christian because he is european but Ariel? mm i don't see any real reason for her to be a christian other than she is married with a christian prince. and it is probably that she still keep her personal beliefs other than christianity.


      finally just a pair of questions. Are you a creationist? do you deny the climate change? If your answer is yes that will tell me exactly what kind of person are you.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:

      ...I also Know lot of people that are fascinated with Japanese culture ( otakus) and are still Christians and no Shinto...


         While I agree with most of your points I believe term for that type of person is a weeaboo. Otaku is more specific to anime and manga, not the entire culture itself. 

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    • Outis H. Nemo wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:

      ...I also Know lot of people that are fascinated with Japanese culture ( otakus) and are still Christians and no Shinto...


       While I agree with most of your points I believe term for that type of person is a weeaboo. Otaku is more specific to anime and manga, not the entire culture itself. 

      It is just a counterexample for the point  mr. weedle is giving. I espect he finally understand that.

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      1. Actually, it does mean atheism. There is a group called agnostics, but those generally are people who are unsure one way or another whether a deity exists rather than flat out not believing one exists. Not to mention even Buddhism does have some supernatural elements while atheism doesn't even believe in supernatural elements.

      1.- No man you are still wrong , Atheism and agnosticism are different. Again disinterest in religion does not mean atheism, not all believers took their believes too seriously like you please try to understand. Also a person in fact can be Atheist but not Agnostic, but a person also can be Atheist and agnostic, the same goes for a Believer there are believers that are Agnostic ( they believe in a god but they actually doesn't take this statement as an absolute truth), and there are believers who aren´t agnostics. Taking the case of Belle since her history is ambiented in medieval France it is still more likely that she in fact is a christian but maybe a very moderate christian. please understand what we are telling you.

      I typically stay out of these things, but I feel like I have to say something now.

      Athiesm: belief that there is no higher power of any sort.[1]

      Agnosticism: basically lack of knowing what to believe at all, total confusion. The belief that everything is relative.[2]

      The way I was always taught this was that Agnosticism says that there is some higher power out there, they just don't know what it is; whereas Atheists believe there is no higher power at all. (I know that's not exactly the "official" definition, but it simplifies it for me.)

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    • actually agnosticisms means  " lack of certainty"  a person as i said before can be an atheist but can also not be so certain about this afirmation.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Javier zaldana wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:
      Joseph8 wrote:
      What do you think of a Roman princess that converts to Christianity?
      I don't think that could work, basically because you have to keep in mind that many Disney fans aren't christians. i think it is a better idea to keep those princess fairytales away from religious ideas or ideologies.

      specially because many of the disney princess never knows about the christianism.

      I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ariel converted to the Christian faith in the ending of her film, and we know Snow White most certainly is a Christian due to her praying before bed. Cinderella based on her wedding is a Christian as well. I think Rapunzel may be Christian as well, and Aurora, well, since this is before the reformation, and definitely during the time of state religions before the Enlightenment basically did away with them, it's pretty clear that she's most likely either Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, at least after she was reunited with her family. Depending on how you take King of Thieves, Jasmine might be Coptic Christian, though I'll admit that's in the gray area. Anna and Elsa are technically Christian as well, considering the coronation ceremony was held in a church. Of the DPs, the only ones who might not likely be Christian are Pocahontas (though she did convert in real life, and if Pocahontas II is anything to go by, she may have potentially converted there as well), Mulan (her story predated Christ's birth, never mind Christian conversions in China, so obviously she ain't Christian), Tiana (she did wed at a church, but she and Naveen technically first married in a voodoo ceremony, so it's debatable), and Belle (since we don't see her wed at all other than the Royal Weddings series, and even then, it doesn't even look like a typical wedding, and there are a few hints in the film at her possibly being an atheist or at the very least a deist).

      I doubt Anna and Elsa are Christian at the end of the film. They are probably agnostic.

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      I doubt Anna and Elsa are Christian at the end of the film. They are probably agnostic.

      no man they are christians  but maybe very liberal or moderate christians, thye have bishops, you must remember the coronation ceremony.

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      no man they are christians  but maybe very liberal or moderate christians, thye have bishops, you must remember the coronation ceremony.

        The bishop itself could be a tradition position in Arendelle. There is no indication of any of their religious viewpoints.

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      Papermaniac wrote:.no man they are christians  but maybe very liberal or moderate christians, thye have bishops, you must remember the coronation ceremony.
      The bishop itself could be a tradition position in Arendelle. There is no indication of any of their religious viewpoints.

      yes but it is still more likely considering the time period that both princesses are christians, once again these movies are not focused on religion and their success maybe is because of that so making a " princess converting to christianity" a disney movie is just simply a bad idea

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    • Papermaniac wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:
      I doubt Anna and Elsa are Christian at the end of the film. They are probably agnostic.

      no man they are christians  but maybe very liberal or moderate christians, thye have bishops, you must remember the coronation ceremony.

      Elsa is a witch. Witchcraft is incompatible with Christianity.

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    • Joseph8 wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:

      Joseph8 wrote:
       
      I doubt Anna and Elsa are Christian at the end of the film. They are probably agnostic.

      no man they are christians  but maybe very liberal or moderate christians, thye have bishops, you must remember the coronation ceremony.

      Elsa is a witch. Witchcraft is incompatible with Christianity.

      No man,having powers doesn´t make you automatically a witch. also Witchcraft only exists in fiction there are no real magic, even so not all Christian denominations have the exact same opinion of witchcraft.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      Joseph8 wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:


      Joseph8 wrote:
       
      I doubt Anna and Elsa are Christian at the end of the film. They are probably agnostic.
      no man they are christians  but maybe very liberal or moderate christians, thye have bishops, you must remember the coronation ceremony.
      Elsa is a witch. Witchcraft is incompatible with Christianity.
      No man,having powers doesn´t make you automatically a witch. also Witchcraft only exists in fiction there are no real magic, even so not all Christian denominations have the exact same opinion of witchcraft.

      but if their power is magical is a type os magical being, and the christianity is many clear in these theme, even if the magic not exist like appears in the media, it was the basement to try to erradicate the belief of another countrys in the past by accuse the their religions of being witchcraft.

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    • Javier zaldana wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:
      Joseph8 wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:


      Joseph8 wrote:
       
      I doubt Anna and Elsa are Christian at the end of the film. They are probably agnostic.
      no man they are christians  but maybe very liberal or moderate christians, thye have bishops, you must remember the coronation ceremony.
      Elsa is a witch. Witchcraft is incompatible with Christianity.
      No man,having powers doesn´t make you automatically a witch. also Witchcraft only exists in fiction there are no real magic, even so not all Christian denominations have the exact same opinion of witchcraft.

      but if their power is magical is a type os magical being, and the christianity is many clear in these theme, even if the magic not exist like appears in the media, it was the basement to try to erradicate the belief of another countrys in the past by accuse the their religions of being witchcraft.

      If it makes you and Joseph8 feel better, the nature of Elsa's powers are more comparable to a metahuman than an actual witch. In case you're wondering what metahumans are, think X-Men or various DC Comics superheroes/supervillains, or heck, the cast from the NBC series Heroes. For anime, you can also go for the Z-Fighters from Dragon Ball Z. Witches generally make incantations before doing something magical, while with Elsa, she doesn't even need to utter a single word to conduct the ability, which is more like what metahumans do.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Javier zaldana wrote:


      Papermaniac wrote:
      Joseph8 wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:



      Joseph8 wrote:
       
      I doubt Anna and Elsa are Christian at the end of the film. They are probably agnostic.
      no man they are christians  but maybe very liberal or moderate christians, thye have bishops, you must remember the coronation ceremony.
      Elsa is a witch. Witchcraft is incompatible with Christianity.
      No man,having powers doesn´t make you automatically a witch. also Witchcraft only exists in fiction there are no real magic, even so not all Christian denominations have the exact same opinion of witchcraft.
      but if their power is magical is a type os magical being, and the christianity is many clear in these theme, even if the magic not exist like appears in the media, it was the basement to try to erradicate the belief of another countrys in the past by accuse the their religions of being witchcraft.
      If it makes you and Joseph8 feel better, the nature of Elsa's powers are more comparable to a metahuman than an actual witch. In case you're wondering what metahumans are, think X-Men or various DC Comics superheroes/supervillains, or heck, the cast from the NBC series Heroes. For anime, you can also go for the Z-Fighters from Dragon Ball Z. Witches generally make incantations before doing something magical, while with Elsa, she doesn't even need to utter a single word to conduct the ability, which is more like what metahumans do.

      the problem here is that cygnus hyoga, gray fullbuster, aokiji and bobby drake are incapable of create sentient beings, something that elsa can do, is by it that i think that their power is magical, and periwinkle dont need use spell to activate their magic.

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    • As someone working on their minor in History I commend all the facts cited; it really warmed my heart. While much of it is true I think you are all missing something here: children that are the primary target demographic for princess movies may not recognize a wedding if it does not have some hints of christianity. The "white weddings" are extremely European, so culturally they make sense for most of the princesses and easily recognizable so we can quickly move on as many times this is not an importnant plotpoint of the story but something we just need to understand. As the movies are made, we have grown to use cultures less recognizable to kids (american 5 year olds may not understand Chinese culture but elements of it are introduced in Mulan) so other religious elements can added. This can even be seen in other ways, like Frozen, the coronation had obvious Christian context but it was mostly because politics and religion were very intertwined at this time. They're being historically accurate but also trying to keep even oblivious viewers in the loop

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    • Me, I'm hoping that if they have to make more princess movies (of course they do) they'll go with a Jewish princess. Though I'm not sure I'd trust Disney with anything from the Bible. (For the record I'm Jewish, but not really religious or anything. It's just part of my heritage.) I can't see them pulling off something serious like The Prince of Egypt without adding stuff like the talking gargoyles in Hunchback, which screwed with the vibe of the whole movie.

      Anyway, there's tons of Jewish tales and legends, and even stories of real-life people they could adapt.

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    • Little hero six wrote:
      Me, I'm hoping that if they have to make more princess movies (of course they do) they'll go with a Jewish princess. Though I'm not sure I'd trust Disney with anything from the Bible. (For the record I'm Jewish, but not really religious or anything. It's just part of my heritage.) I can't see them pulling off something serious like The Prince of Egypt without adding stuff like the talking gargoyles in Hunchback, which screwed with the vibe of the whole movie.

      Anyway, there's tons of Jewish tales and legends, and even stories of real-life people they could adapt.

      that sound good. I propose to make a poll, so let's account all the proposals for new princesses in this discussion:

       so let's make the list:

      1.- Inuit princess, ( Sedna perhaps)

      2.- Portuguese princess

      3.- African Princess ( there are a lot of cultures and folklore in africa so here is a rich source for Princess histories)

      4.- Indian Princess ( I here suggest Sita from the Ramayana)

      5.- Another Greek princess tryout ( there are a lot of mythology here, what about Helen of Troy?).

      6.- Italian Princess 

      7.- Spanish Princess ( it could work if they just adapt a classic fairy tale and give them an Spanish setting, but otherwise they can adapt " El cantar del Mio Cid" and Make Jimena Diaz a princess.

      8.- Mexican or Latin  American Princess. : ( I will Suggest here to stick to Precolumbian Mythology, more likely Aztec Mythology since Disney already have an Incan Inspired movie. There is a tale called " The legend of The Volcanoes" which is the Love Story between an Aztec Princess named Iztaccihuatl, and a warrior  named Popoca)

      9.- Egyptian Princess ( Cleopatra may be an option but I will suggest to move to Egyptian mythology and make a tale about the Goddess Isis in her search for reunite the parts of her husband Osiris)

      10.- Fairy Princess, Witch princess, Elven Princess, Vampire Princess & Alien Princess ( i Have to disagree with some of these, Tinker Bell or some of her friends could qualify as a Fairy princess to some extent, but  lets just consider them)

      11.- Japanese Princess (Japan  have a long story, a rich culture and lots of notable and noble Woman through its history and folklore, Japanese Mthology is also very rich)

      12.-  Russian Princess ( there are a lot more than Anastasia)

      13 Roman Princess ( just ignore that claim Jospeh made about a tale of conversion)

      14 Jewish princess ( may or may not be based on a bible story)

      I Will Ommit Lesbian , Fat, and Disable princess since those things have nothing to do with the culture of the character, and are most like a condition that character may have. I also think making a Fat, Lesbian or Disabled Princesses are just not appealing to the public who wants to se a strong , well defined charachter in a tale.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      Little hero six wrote:
      Me, I'm hoping that if they have to make more princess movies (of course they do) they'll go with a Jewish princess. Though I'm not sure I'd trust Disney with anything from the Bible. (For the record I'm Jewish, but not really religious or anything. It's just part of my heritage.) I can't see them pulling off something serious like The Prince of Egypt without adding stuff like the talking gargoyles in Hunchback, which screwed with the vibe of the whole movie.

      Anyway, there's tons of Jewish tales and legends, and even stories of real-life people they could adapt.

      that sound good. I propose to make a poll, so let's account all the proposals for new princesses in this discussion:

       so let's make the list:

      1.- Inuit princess, ( Sedna perhaps)

      2.- Portuguese princess

      3.- African Princess ( there are a lot of cultures and folklore in africa so here is a rich source for Princess histories)

      4.- Indian Princess ( I here suggest Sita from the Ramayana)

      5.- Another Greek princess tryout ( there are a lot of mythology here, what about Helen of Troy?).

      6.- Italian Princess 

      7.- Spanish Princess ( it could work if they just adapt a classic fairy tale and give them an Spanish setting, but otherwise they can adapt " El cantar del Mio Cid" and Make Jimena Diaz a princess.

      8.- Mexican or Latin  American Princess. : ( I will Suggest here to stick to Precolumbian Mythology, more likely Aztec Mythology since Disney already have an Incan Inspired movie. There is a tale called " The legend of The Volcanoes" which is the Love Story between an Aztec Princess named Iztaccihuatl, and a warrior  named Popoca)

      9.- Egyptian Princess ( Cleopatra may be an option but I will suggest to move to Egyptian mythology and make a tale about the Goddess Isis in her search for reunite the parts of her husband Osiris)

      10.- Fairy Princess, Witch princess, Elven Princess, Vampire Princess & Alien Princess ( i Have to disagree with some of these, Tinker Bell or some of her friends could qualify as a Fairy princess to some extent, but  lets just consider them)

      11.- Japanese Princess (Japan  have a long story, a rich culture and lots of notable and noble Woman through its history and folklore, Japanese Mthology is also very rich)

      12.-  Russian Princess ( there are a lot more than Anastasia)

      13 Roman Princess ( just ignore that claim Jospeh made about a tale of conversion)

      14 Jewish princess ( may or may not be based on a bible story)

      I Will Ommit Lesbian , Fat, and Disable princess since those things have nothing to do with the culture of the character, and are most like a condition that character may have. I also think making a Fat, Lesbian or Disabled Princesses are just not appealing to the public who wants to se a strong , well defined charachter in a tale.

      is what i say many post before:

      Tsuruhime-disney by temus-d88a6kw





      this could looks good or not in a disney film?


      about the ponit 8: i think that sofia and helena was cretaed to fill these role, and is a salvadorean who talk.

      im not sure about a roman princess: remember that the romans not was too adept to the idea of monarchy.

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    • Javier zaldana wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:
      Little hero six wrote:
      Me, I'm hoping that if they have to make more princess movies (of course they do) they'll go with a Jewish princess. Though I'm not sure I'd trust Disney with anything from the Bible. (For the record I'm Jewish, but not really religious or anything. It's just part of my heritage.) I can't see them pulling off something serious like The Prince of Egypt without adding stuff like the talking gargoyles in Hunchback, which screwed with the vibe of the whole movie.

      Anyway, there's tons of Jewish tales and legends, and even stories of real-life people they could adapt.

      that sound good. I propose to make a poll, so let's account all the proposals for new princesses in this discussion:

       so let's make the list:

      1.- Inuit princess, ( Sedna perhaps)

      2.- Portuguese princess

      3.- African Princess ( there are a lot of cultures and folklore in africa so here is a rich source for Princess histories)

      4.- Indian Princess ( I here suggest Sita from the Ramayana)

      5.- Another Greek princess tryout ( there are a lot of mythology here, what about Helen of Troy?).

      6.- Italian Princess 

      7.- Spanish Princess ( it could work if they just adapt a classic fairy tale and give them an Spanish setting, but otherwise they can adapt " El cantar del Mio Cid" and Make Jimena Diaz a princess.

      8.- Mexican or Latin  American Princess. : ( I will Suggest here to stick to Precolumbian Mythology, more likely Aztec Mythology since Disney already have an Incan Inspired movie. There is a tale called " The legend of The Volcanoes" which is the Love Story between an Aztec Princess named Iztaccihuatl, and a warrior  named Popoca)

      9.- Egyptian Princess ( Cleopatra may be an option but I will suggest to move to Egyptian mythology and make a tale about the Goddess Isis in her search for reunite the parts of her husband Osiris)

      10.- Fairy Princess, Witch princess, Elven Princess, Vampire Princess & Alien Princess ( i Have to disagree with some of these, Tinker Bell or some of her friends could qualify as a Fairy princess to some extent, but  lets just consider them)

      11.- Japanese Princess (Japan  have a long story, a rich culture and lots of notable and noble Woman through its history and folklore, Japanese Mthology is also very rich)

      12.-  Russian Princess ( there are a lot more than Anastasia)

      13 Roman Princess ( just ignore that claim Jospeh made about a tale of conversion)

      14 Jewish princess ( may or may not be based on a bible story)

      I Will Ommit Lesbian , Fat, and Disable princess since those things have nothing to do with the culture of the character, and are most like a condition that character may have. I also think making a Fat, Lesbian or Disabled Princesses are just not appealing to the public who wants to se a strong , well defined charachter in a tale.

      is what i say many post before:

      Tsuruhime-disney by temus-d88a6kw





      this could looks good or not in a disney film?


      about the ponit 8: i think that sofia and helena was cretaed to fill these role, and is a salvadorean who talk.

      im not sure about a roman princess: remember that the romans not was too adept to the idea of monarchy.

      The Romans had a monarchy though.

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    • Joseph8 wrote:

      Javier zaldana wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:
      Little hero six wrote:
      Me, I'm hoping that if they have to make more princess movies (of course they do) they'll go with a Jewish princess. Though I'm not sure I'd trust Disney with anything from the Bible. (For the record I'm Jewish, but not really religious or anything. It's just part of my heritage.) I can't see them pulling off something serious like The Prince of Egypt without adding stuff like the talking gargoyles in Hunchback, which screwed with the vibe of the whole movie.

      Anyway, there's tons of Jewish tales and legends, and even stories of real-life people they could adapt.

      that sound good. I propose to make a poll, so let's account all the proposals for new princesses in this discussion:

       so let's make the list:

      1.- Inuit princess, ( Sedna perhaps)

      2.- Portuguese princess

      3.- African Princess ( there are a lot of cultures and folklore in africa so here is a rich source for Princess histories)

      4.- Indian Princess ( I here suggest Sita from the Ramayana)

      5.- Another Greek princess tryout ( there are a lot of mythology here, what about Helen of Troy?).

      6.- Italian Princess 

      7.- Spanish Princess ( it could work if they just adapt a classic fairy tale and give them an Spanish setting, but otherwise they can adapt " El cantar del Mio Cid" and Make Jimena Diaz a princess.

      8.- Mexican or Latin  American Princess. : ( I will Suggest here to stick to Precolumbian Mythology, more likely Aztec Mythology since Disney already have an Incan Inspired movie. There is a tale called " The legend of The Volcanoes" which is the Love Story between an Aztec Princess named Iztaccihuatl, and a warrior  named Popoca)

      9.- Egyptian Princess ( Cleopatra may be an option but I will suggest to move to Egyptian mythology and make a tale about the Goddess Isis in her search for reunite the parts of her husband Osiris)

      10.- Fairy Princess, Witch princess, Elven Princess, Vampire Princess & Alien Princess ( i Have to disagree with some of these, Tinker Bell or some of her friends could qualify as a Fairy princess to some extent, but  lets just consider them)

      11.- Japanese Princess (Japan  have a long story, a rich culture and lots of notable and noble Woman through its history and folklore, Japanese Mthology is also very rich)

      12.-  Russian Princess ( there are a lot more than Anastasia)

      13 Roman Princess ( just ignore that claim Jospeh made about a tale of conversion)

      14 Jewish princess ( may or may not be based on a bible story)

      I Will Ommit Lesbian , Fat, and Disable princess since those things have nothing to do with the culture of the character, and are most like a condition that character may have. I also think making a Fat, Lesbian or Disabled Princesses are just not appealing to the public who wants to se a strong , well defined charachter in a tale.

      is what i say many post before:
      Tsuruhime-disney by temus-d88a6kw





      this could looks good or not in a disney film?


      about the ponit 8: i think that sofia and helena was cretaed to fill these role, and is a salvadorean who talk.

      im not sure about a roman princess: remember that the romans not was too adept to the idea of monarchy.

      The Romans had a monarchy though.

      it was an elective monarchy. lets make the poll in this wiki

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    • Javier zaldana wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      Little hero six wrote:
      Me, I'm hoping that if they have to make more princess movies (of course they do) they'll go with a Jewish princess. Though I'm not sure I'd trust Disney with anything from the Bible. (For the record I'm Jewish, but not really religious or anything. It's just part of my heritage.) I can't see them pulling off something serious like The Prince of Egypt without adding stuff like the talking gargoyles in Hunchback, which screwed with the vibe of the whole movie.

      Anyway, there's tons of Jewish tales and legends, and even stories of real-life people they could adapt.

      that sound good. I propose to make a poll, so let's account all the proposals for new princesses in this discussion:

       so let's make the list:

      1.- Inuit princess, ( Sedna perhaps)

      2.- Portuguese princess

      3.- African Princess ( there are a lot of cultures and folklore in africa so here is a rich source for Princess histories)

      4.- Indian Princess ( I here suggest Sita from the Ramayana)

      5.- Another Greek princess tryout ( there are a lot of mythology here, what about Helen of Troy?).

      6.- Italian Princess 

      7.- Spanish Princess ( it could work if they just adapt a classic fairy tale and give them an Spanish setting, but otherwise they can adapt " El cantar del Mio Cid" and Make Jimena Diaz a princess.

      8.- Mexican or Latin  American Princess. : ( I will Suggest here to stick to Precolumbian Mythology, more likely Aztec Mythology since Disney already have an Incan Inspired movie. There is a tale called " The legend of The Volcanoes" which is the Love Story between an Aztec Princess named Iztaccihuatl, and a warrior  named Popoca)

      9.- Egyptian Princess ( Cleopatra may be an option but I will suggest to move to Egyptian mythology and make a tale about the Goddess Isis in her search for reunite the parts of her husband Osiris)

      10.- Fairy Princess, Witch princess, Elven Princess, Vampire Princess & Alien Princess ( i Have to disagree with some of these, Tinker Bell or some of her friends could qualify as a Fairy princess to some extent, but  lets just consider them)

      11.- Japanese Princess (Japan  have a long story, a rich culture and lots of notable and noble Woman through its history and folklore, Japanese Mthology is also very rich)

      12.-  Russian Princess ( there are a lot more than Anastasia)

      13 Roman Princess ( just ignore that claim Jospeh made about a tale of conversion)

      14 Jewish princess ( may or may not be based on a bible story)

      I Will Ommit Lesbian , Fat, and Disable princess since those things have nothing to do with the culture of the character, and are most like a condition that character may have. I also think making a Fat, Lesbian or Disabled Princesses are just not appealing to the public who wants to se a strong , well defined charachter in a tale.

      is what i say many post before:
      Tsuruhime-disney by temus-d88a6kw





      this could looks good or not in a disney film?


      about the ponit 8: i think that sofia and helena was cretaed to fill these role, and is a salvadorean who talk.

      im not sure about a roman princess: remember that the romans not was too adept to the idea of monarchy.

      Sophia and Elena don't have a movie just a tv series each one, i think an Aztec princess could fulfill this position even better than Elena & Sophia. just think about it a romantic history  in the warring lands of ancient Mexico it sound pretty cool. also Elena & sophia are just made up from almost nothing.

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    • Their should be a princess who ran away from her royalty. Unlike Merida, she leaves everything away, and just walks away.

      10 years later.

      That kinda thing.

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    • Lovefiction wrote:
      Italian! Just like with a Mediterranean look of some sort.

      that would be good, and my family is half italian too! (>

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    • Liddiei wrote:
      Their should be a princess who ran away from her royalty. Unlike Merida, she leaves everything away, and just walks away.

      10 years later.

      That kinda thing.

      i have a story like that!

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    • The princess that I would like to see in the franchise are:

      The princess of Puss in Boots

      Thumbelina

      Cleopatra

      The Princess and Pea

      Guinevere of Camelot

      Juliet of Romeo and Juliet

      The princess of Sinbad the Sailor

      Helen of Troy

      Dulcinea del Toboso of Don Quixote

      Anastasia, the Russian princess

      Odette, the swan princess

      Elisa of The Wild Swans

      Mina of Dracula

      Joan of Arc

      A Mayan princess

      An Indiam princess

      A Japanese princess

      A Martian princess

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    • Pabloarielfarfan97 wrote:
      The princess that I would like to see in the franchise are:

      The princess of Puss in Boots

      Thumbelina

      Cleopatra

      The Princess and Pea

      Guinevere of Camelot

      Juliet of Romeo and Juliet

      The princess of Sinbad the Sailor

      Helen of Troy

      Dulcinea del Toboso of Don Quixote

      Anastasia, the Russian princess

      Odette, the swan princess

      Elisa of The Wild Swans

      Mina of Dracula

      Joan of Arc

      A Mayan princess

      An Indiam princess

      A Japanese princess

      A Martian princess

      im not sure about juliet, we know that disney reduce the tone of all the works that adapt and surely something like the death of the princess would be something that they will to avoid like the plage, something that could anger the shakespeare followers.

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    • Pabloarielfarfan97 wrote:
      The princess that I would like to see in the franchise are:

      The princess of Puss in Boots

      Thumbelina

      Cleopatra

      The Princess and Pea

      Guinevere of Camelot

      Juliet of Romeo and Juliet

      The princess of Sinbad the Sailor

      Helen of Troy

      Dulcinea del Toboso of Don Quixote

      Anastasia, the Russian princess

      Odette, the swan princess

      Elisa of The Wild Swans

      Mina of Dracula

      Joan of Arc

      A Mayan princess

      An Indiam princess

      A Japanese princess

      A Martian princess

      do you read the Entire Discussion? 

      Lets analize:

      1.- " The princess of puss in the Boots" : i personally think this is very unlikely to see in the near future as " the Puss in the boots " movie and charachter from Dreamworks is still in the collective memory of the people

      2.- " Thumbellina" despite the fact that already exist an animated feature movie from Don Bluth animation I Think is possible for Disney to make their own version of this Fairy tale. that is a good sufggestion

      3.-" Cleopatra" personally I will prefer other egipt princesses as the Cleopatra Story is cruel and sadic. You should investigate more about Egyptian mythology I Thik the Goddes Isis will fit better.

      4.-" the princess and the Pea" another great suggestion  the only problem is that this tale is very short, so Disney may need to create a longer story.

      5.-"Guinivere of Camelot" I personally are not really sure about this,  as this movie should be a sequel from the "Sword in the Stone" and the relationship between Arthur and Guinivere were not very good. Personal suggestion insted they should create their version of Tristan and Isolda.

      6.-Juliet from " Romeo and Juliet" Disney already cover this with one of the sequels of the lion king. Also Juliet isn't exactly a princess.

      7.- " the princess of Simbad the sailors" This also seem to be very unlikely as the Simbad story revolves more around Simbad, there are not really princesses here, and also there is already an animated feature movie from Dreamworks that is still in the collective memory.

      8.- "Helen of Troy " this case is simmilar to Cleopatra not because Helen itself but because the events around her, despite so I think is likely for Disney to make an adaptation of the Iliad and the Odyssey.

      9.-Dulcinea del Toboso: this could be very funny as Dulcinea in reality weren't a princess ( as Don Quijote was an old guy that suddenly start to think he was a knight and he thinked Dulcinea was a noble lady and not a peasant) a Disney version of " el Quijote"  can be a very funny comedy. but i doubht if they will market " dulcinea " as part of the Princesses franchise.

      10.- " Anastasia": again  this is highly unlikely as the Don Bluth version of Anastasia is still in the collective memory.

      11.- "Odette " : well there is a animated feature movie of the Swan princess from Warner Brothers but it was very bad so maybe this could be a good idea.

      12.-Elisa from the Wild Swans: that is a great idea since i don't remember any animated version of that tale. Disney can turn that tale in an epic animated movie.

      13.-Mina of Dracula: Sorry but i strongly disagree with this. Dracula should be a terror live action movie not an animated one, also Hotel transilvania is still very recent so a animated movie about vampires from disney is still unlikely to see in the near future.

      14.- Joan of Arc: this is exactly the same case as Cleopatra. Joan of Arc also wasn't a princess but a peasant that found the way to lead an army, also Disney already have their French princesses ( Belle and Cinderella for example). highly unlikely.

      15.-a Mayan Princess: you seem to don't know about mesoamerican  or mayan mythology but i will ilustrate you a little, the suviving mayan tales are very few and the most important of them is an epic named the "Popol Vuh" which their main protagonists are both male demigods, there are no mention at all of a princess in there only their mother which have a very little participation on the tale. So this make a Mayan princess unlikely as few texts from the mayan civilization survived. but if you like mesoamerican culture i suggest instead an Aztec princess . there is a popular tale among native mexicans called the " legend of the Volcanoes" that depicts the love between an Aztec princess and a Warrior. here is the Aztec tale in English: https://www.inside-mexico.com/the-legend-of-popocatepetl-iztaccihuatl/

      16: an Indian princess ( from India for sure): maybe Sita from the Ramayana?

      17Japanese princess: yes another great idea. Japan culture is vast and have thousands of years of history also japanese mmythology is very rich.

      Martian princess: sorry i disagree with this last one. martian princesses belongs to scifi real action movies not animated ones.

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    • I would like the ballerina and the ogre prince.

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    • Ballerina princess? well that is independent from the culture or the history of the princess. so maybe they should try that. Ogre prince? highly unlikely as Shrek from dreamworks is still in collective memory.

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    • independent from the culture like india and can be about a ballerina who has help prince break the spell that turned him into an ogre. 

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    • Popprincess wrote:
      independent from the culture like india and can be about a ballerina who has help prince break the spell that turned him into an ogre. 

      It still seems unlikely as Shrek from Dreamworks is stll in the collective memory and people will compare your suggestion with shrek.

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    • Really, what does that mean ?

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      Pabloarielfarfan97 wrote:
      The princess that I would like to see in the franchise are:

      The princess of Puss in Boots

      Thumbelina

      Cleopatra

      The Princess and Pea

      Guinevere of Camelot

      Juliet of Romeo and Juliet

      The princess of Sinbad the Sailor

      Helen of Troy

      Dulcinea del Toboso of Don Quixote

      Anastasia, the Russian princess

      Odette, the swan princess

      Elisa of The Wild Swans

      Mina of Dracula

      Joan of Arc

      A Mayan princess

      An Indiam princess

      A Japanese princess

      A Martian princess

      do you read the Entire Discussion? 

      Lets analize:

      1.- " The princess of puss in the Boots" : i personally think this is very unlikely to see in the near future as " the Puss in the boots " movie and charachter from Dreamworks is still in the collective memory of the people

      2.- " Thumbellina" despite the fact that already exist an animated feature movie from Don Bluth animation I Think is possible for Disney to make their own version of this Fairy tale. that is a good sufggestion

      3.-" Cleopatra" personally I will prefer other egipt princesses as the Cleopatra Story is cruel and sadic. You should investigate more about Egyptian mythology I Thik the Goddes Isis will fit better.

      4.-" the princess and the Pea" another great suggestion  the only problem is that this tale is very short, so Disney may need to create a longer story.

      5.-"Guinivere of Camelot" I personally are not really sure about this,  as this movie should be a sequel from the "Sword in the Stone" and the relationship between Arthur and Guinivere were not very good. Personal suggestion insted they should create their version of Tristan and Isolda.

      6.-Juliet from " Romeo and Juliet" Disney already cover this with one of the sequels of the lion king. Also Juliet isn't exactly a princess.

      7.- " the princess of Simbad the sailors" This also seem to be very unlikely as the Simbad story revolves more around Simbad, there are not really princesses here, and also there is already an animated feature movie from Dreamworks that is still in the collective memory.

      8.- "Helen of Troy " this case is simmilar to Cleopatra not because Helen itself but because the events around her, despite so I think is likely for Disney to make an adaptation of the Iliad and the Odyssey.

      9.-Dulcinea del Toboso: this could be very funny as Dulcinea in reality weren't a princess ( as Don Quijote was an old guy that suddenly start to think he was a knight and he thinked Dulcinea was a noble lady and not a peasant) a Disney version of " el Quijote"  can be a very funny comedy. but i doubht if they will market " dulcinea " as part of the Princesses franchise.

      10.- " Anastasia": again  this is highly unlikely as the Don Bluth version of Anastasia is still in the collective memory.

      11.- "Odette " : well there is a animated feature movie of the Swan princess from Warner Brothers but it was very bad so maybe this could be a good idea.

      12.-Elisa from the Wild Swans: that is a great idea since i don't remember any animated version of that tale. Disney can turn that tale in an epic animated movie.

      13.-Mina of Dracula: Sorry but i strongly disagree with this. Dracula should be a terror live action movie not an animated one, also Hotel transilvania is still very recent so a animated movie about vampires from disney is still unlikely to see in the near future.

      14.- Joan of Arc: this is exactly the same case as Cleopatra. Joan of Arc also wasn't a princess but a peasant that found the way to lead an army, also Disney already have their French princesses ( Belle and Cinderella for example). highly unlikely.

      15.-a Mayan Princess: you seem to don't know about mesoamerican  or mayan mythology but i will ilustrate you a little, the suviving mayan tales are very few and the most important of them is an epic named the "Popol Vuh" which their main protagonists are both male demigods, there are no mention at all of a princess in there only their mother which have a very little participation on the tale. So this make a Mayan princess unlikely as few texts from the mayan civilization survived. but if you like mesoamerican culture i suggest instead an Aztec princess . there is a popular tale among native mexicans called the " legend of the Volcanoes" that depicts the love between an Aztec princess and a Warrior. here is the Aztec tale in English: https://www.inside-mexico.com/the-legend-of-popocatepetl-iztaccihuatl/

      16: an Indian princess ( from India for sure): maybe Sita from the Ramayana?

      17Japanese princess: yes another great idea. Japan culture is vast and have thousands of years of history also japanese mmythology is very rich.

      Martian princess: sorry i disagree with this last one. martian princesses belongs to scifi real action movies not animated ones.

      how about the wild swans

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    • ok.

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    • Carebearheart wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      Pabloarielfarfan97 wrote:
      The princess that I would like to see in the franchise are:

      The princess of Puss in Boots

      Thumbelina

      Cleopatra

      The Princess and Pea

      Guinevere of Camelot

      Juliet of Romeo and Juliet

      The princess of Sinbad the Sailor

      Helen of Troy

      Dulcinea del Toboso of Don Quixote

      Anastasia, the Russian princess

      Odette, the swan princess

      Elisa of The Wild Swans

      Mina of Dracula

      Joan of Arc

      A Mayan princess

      An Indiam princess

      A Japanese princess

      A Martian princess

      do you read the Entire Discussion? 

      Lets analize:

      1.- " The princess of puss in the Boots" : i personally think this is very unlikely to see in the near future as " the Puss in the boots " movie and charachter from Dreamworks is still in the collective memory of the people

      2.- " Thumbellina" despite the fact that already exist an animated feature movie from Don Bluth animation I Think is possible for Disney to make their own version of this Fairy tale. that is a good sufggestion

      3.-" Cleopatra" personally I will prefer other egipt princesses as the Cleopatra Story is cruel and sadic. You should investigate more about Egyptian mythology I Thik the Goddes Isis will fit better.

      4.-" the princess and the Pea" another great suggestion  the only problem is that this tale is very short, so Disney may need to create a longer story.

      5.-"Guinivere of Camelot" I personally are not really sure about this,  as this movie should be a sequel from the "Sword in the Stone" and the relationship between Arthur and Guinivere were not very good. Personal suggestion insted they should create their version of Tristan and Isolda.

      6.-Juliet from " Romeo and Juliet" Disney already cover this with one of the sequels of the lion king. Also Juliet isn't exactly a princess.

      7.- " the princess of Simbad the sailors" This also seem to be very unlikely as the Simbad story revolves more around Simbad, there are not really princesses here, and also there is already an animated feature movie from Dreamworks that is still in the collective memory.

      8.- "Helen of Troy " this case is simmilar to Cleopatra not because Helen itself but because the events around her, despite so I think is likely for Disney to make an adaptation of the Iliad and the Odyssey.

      9.-Dulcinea del Toboso: this could be very funny as Dulcinea in reality weren't a princess ( as Don Quijote was an old guy that suddenly start to think he was a knight and he thinked Dulcinea was a noble lady and not a peasant) a Disney version of " el Quijote"  can be a very funny comedy. but i doubht if they will market " dulcinea " as part of the Princesses franchise.

      10.- " Anastasia": again  this is highly unlikely as the Don Bluth version of Anastasia is still in the collective memory.

      11.- "Odette " : well there is a animated feature movie of the Swan princess from Warner Brothers but it was very bad so maybe this could be a good idea.

      12.-Elisa from the Wild Swans: that is a great idea since i don't remember any animated version of that tale. Disney can turn that tale in an epic animated movie.

      13.-Mina of Dracula: Sorry but i strongly disagree with this. Dracula should be a terror live action movie not an animated one, also Hotel transilvania is still very recent so a animated movie about vampires from disney is still unlikely to see in the near future.

      14.- Joan of Arc: this is exactly the same case as Cleopatra. Joan of Arc also wasn't a princess but a peasant that found the way to lead an army, also Disney already have their French princesses ( Belle and Cinderella for example). highly unlikely.

      15.-a Mayan Princess: you seem to don't know about mesoamerican  or mayan mythology but i will ilustrate you a little, the suviving mayan tales are very few and the most important of them is an epic named the "Popol Vuh" which their main protagonists are both male demigods, there are no mention at all of a princess in there only their mother which have a very little participation on the tale. So this make a Mayan princess unlikely as few texts from the mayan civilization survived. but if you like mesoamerican culture i suggest instead an Aztec princess . there is a popular tale among native mexicans called the " legend of the Volcanoes" that depicts the love between an Aztec princess and a Warrior. here is the Aztec tale in English: https://www.inside-mexico.com/the-legend-of-popocatepetl-iztaccihuatl/

      16: an Indian princess ( from India for sure): maybe Sita from the Ramayana?

      17Japanese princess: yes another great idea. Japan culture is vast and have thousands of years of history also japanese mmythology is very rich.

      Martian princess: sorry i disagree with this last one. martian princesses belongs to scifi real action movies not animated ones.

      how about the wild swans

      look at numbrer 12

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    • Can I have a little suggestion to make like having a Mexican and Pakistani Princess?

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    • some of them should be traditional animation !

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    • Carebearheart wrote:
      some of them should be traditional animation !


      I agree, we need more traditional animated movies today. Almost all animated movies today are CGI and I am personally tired of that.

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    • well, there should be a balance (at least that's what I think)

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    • American culture? A Disney princess born and raised in modern America? Might that work, or would that just be better as a joke?

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    • Concernedalien11780 wrote:
      American culture? A Disney princess born and raised in modern America? Might that work, or would that just be better as a joke?


      It seems unlikely to make such animated movie, but well you have a lot of real action movies with " modern princesses" from disney ( Enchanted, The Princess diaries and Princess protection program for example). the U.S.A. is a republic so the only way an american woman can become princess is by marrying with a prince from another country ( Like England, Japan, Spain or even Saudi Arabia that are monarchies) well also you have currently Tiana, which is an african american woman that became a princess.

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    • How about a Viking or Skandiavian!

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    • Tragould wrote:
      How about a Viking or Skandiavian!

      occuped: ana and elsa are from arendelle, that is based in norway

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    • I would like to see an Indian princess. India as in the country in soth-east Asia. 

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    • I love mulan wrote:
      I would like to see an Indian princess. India as in the country in soth-east Asia. 

      I agree with you--great culture, great costumes, great mythology. And with Sanjay's Super Team discussing Indian mythology, it'd be fun to have a full film around it.

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    • Puerto Rican or Brazilian. ;)

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    • Taffyta wrote:
      Puerto Rican or Brazilian. ;)

      both can be catalogued as Latin american princess, but it seems unlikely that disney made that, because basically the problem is that only Mexico and Brazil were at some point monarchies. it is more likely to create a movie about a precolumbian princess ( Mayan, Aztec or Incan princess perhaps) 

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    • Hungarian, Thai or Turkish.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      Taffyta wrote:
      Puerto Rican or Brazilian. ;)
      both can be catalogued as Latin american princess, but it seems unlikely that disney made that, because basically the problem is that only Mexico and Brazil were at some point monarchies. it is more likely to create a movie about a precolumbian princess ( Mayan, Aztec or Incan princess perhaps) 

      Disney could make a film about Gonzalo Guerrero's story, a Spanish sailor, who shipwrecked along the Yucatán Peninsula, became in a Mayan chief and fall in love with a Mayan princess named Zazil Há. She might become in a Disney Princess. 

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    • Pabloarielfarfan97 wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      Taffyta wrote:
      Puerto Rican or Brazilian. ;)
      both can be catalogued as Latin american princess, but it seems unlikely that disney made that, because basically the problem is that only Mexico and Brazil were at some point monarchies. it is more likely to create a movie about a precolumbian princess ( Mayan, Aztec or Incan princess perhaps) 
      Disney could make a film about Gonzalo Guerrero's story, a Spanish sailor, who shipwrecked along the Yucatán Peninsula, became in a Mayan chief and fall in love with a Mayan princess named Zazil Há. She might become in a Disney Princess. 

      I prefer the Legend of the volcanoes that could be awesome with mesoamerican mythology and aztec warriors fighting each other, Here is the link: http://www.inside-mexico.com/the-legend-of-popocatepetl-iztaccihuatl/

      Iztaccihuatl can also be a Disney princess, also they can do a twist to its ending to make a happy ending. One reason i Prefer that story over the Gonzalo guerrero is that The legend of the volcanoes is entirely fictional and have a lot of mythology in the tale ( and this resource can be exploited to make a possible movie more interesting for all audiences from kids to adults)

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    • A Aztec princess would be pretty cool to see

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    • Thom7 wrote:
      A Aztec princess would be pretty cool to see

      I totally agree,

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    • You guys do know if disney dicides to make a latina princes or a princess of a place where there is no royalty she could just mary a prince from a distant place or somthing like that or a charater like mulan non rroyal but her heroism makes her a princess

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    • Koji1616 wrote:
      You guys do know if disney dicides to make a latina princes or a princess of a place where there is no royalty she could just mary a prince from a distant place or somthing like that or a charater like mulan non rroyal but her heroism makes her a princess

      that is why is a lot better to make an Aztec, Mayan or Incan princess, since those civilizations were assimilated by latino culture. Precolumbian mythology is very rich and there are interesting tales about native princesses and warriors for example this one:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popocatépetl_and_Iztaccíhuatl

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      Koji1616 wrote:
      You guys do know if disney dicides to make a latina princes or a princess of a place where there is no royalty she could just mary a prince from a distant place or somthing like that or a charater like mulan non rroyal but her heroism makes her a princess
      that is why is a lot better to make an Aztec, Mayan or Incan princess, since those civilizations were assimilated by latino culture. Precolumbian mythology is very rich and there are interesting tales about native princesses and warriors for example this one:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popocatépetl_and_Iztaccíhuatl

      yeah but that also cualifies as the traditional view of latin american roytalty when there were other civilisations in in soth america like taino wich is the culture i come frome and its dosent look or feel like anyt of the ones u menchioned latinos are so diverse its better to make a latina princess because tecnically that would also be the first mixed race princess since thats what we actually are and representing what is known traditionally as latino is always mexican or also astec mayan royalty so a generalised latina would represent better like they doing with Elena  cause atleast in my culture as a latino there is a mixture of all of what we are witch is african spaniard and african thats how we identify and recognice cause barly any native people are left unfortuantly 

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    • Koji1616 wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      Koji1616 wrote:
      You guys do know if disney dicides to make a latina princes or a princess of a place where there is no royalty she could just mary a prince from a distant place or somthing like that or a charater like mulan non rroyal but her heroism makes her a princess
      that is why is a lot better to make an Aztec, Mayan or Incan princess, since those civilizations were assimilated by latino culture. Precolumbian mythology is very rich and there are interesting tales about native princesses and warriors for example this one:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popocatépetl_and_Iztaccíhuatl
      yeah but that also cualifies as the traditional view of latin american roytalty when there were other civilisations in in soth america like taino wich is the culture i come frome and its dosent look or feel like anyt of the ones u menchioned latinos are so diverse its better to make a latina princess because tecnically that would also be the first mixed race princess since thats what we actually are and representing what is known traditionally as latino is always mexican or also astec mayan royalty so a generalised latina would represent better like they doing with Elena  cause atleast in my culture as a latino there is a mixture of all of what we are witch is african spaniard and african thats how we identify and recognice cause barly any native people are left unfortuantly 

      I Kind of understand your point but as I mentioned before the problem is that this princess will be entirely made up as historically the only monarchies in latin america were Brazil and México, so they must have to use again the same plot or argument used in " The Princess and the Frog" which is still a very recent disney movie. on the other hand as I said Native precolumbian civilizations are rich in those kinds of "royalty" histories, I don't know very much of the taino Mythology But I am pretty sure that they have great histories about women envolved in some way with the chiefs of their tribes. Also It could be nice If Disney make a version of the " el Cid" or the Quijote de la mancha" so thats it you have a Spanish culture movie and a native precolumbian culture movie and we latinos are just that mixture, that 2 movies ( a spanish culture movie anda native culture movie) can  please us. Greetings from Mexico. Also I think that you are just trying to be " politically correct"  the race i think is the least issue we should focus on a movie, it is more relevant the culture and how well is a story adapted or written. Also you have to consider that Disney is a Company and have to make profit from their movies so they have to create movies that appeal to most of their consumers and if they find atractive the idea of an Aztec tale, or an Incan tale or a Mayan tale because these are the most popular civilizations in ancient america they will do it instead of making a taino tale that may be interesting but is not as popular to the world.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      Koji1616 wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      Koji1616 wrote:
      You guys do know if disney dicides to make a latina princes or a princess of a place where there is no royalty she could just mary a prince from a distant place or somthing like that or a charater like mulan non rroyal but her heroism makes her a princess
      that is why is a lot better to make an Aztec, Mayan or Incan princess, since those civilizations were assimilated by latino culture. Precolumbian mythology is very rich and there are interesting tales about native princesses and warriors for example this one:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popocatépetl_and_Iztaccíhuatl
      yeah but that also cualifies as the traditional view of latin american roytalty when there were other civilisations in in soth america like taino wich is the culture i come frome and its dosent look or feel like anyt of the ones u menchioned latinos are so diverse its better to make a latina princess because tecnically that would also be the first mixed race princess since thats what we actually are and representing what is known traditionally as latino is always mexican or also astec mayan royalty so a generalised latina would represent better like they doing with Elena  cause atleast in my culture as a latino there is a mixture of all of what we are witch is african spaniard and african thats how we identify and recognice cause barly any native people are left unfortuantly 
      I Kind of understand your point but as I mentioned before the problem is that this princess will be entirely made up as historically the only monarchies in latin america were Brazil and México, so they must have to use again the same plot or argument used in " The Princess and the Frog" which is still a very recent disney movie. on the other hand as I said Native precolumbian civilizations are rich in those kinds of "royalty" histories, I don't know very much of the taino Mythology But I am pretty sure that they have great histories about women envolved in some way with the chiefs of their tribes. Also It could be nice If Disney make a version of the " el Cid" or the Quijote de la mancha" so thats it you have a Spanish culture movie and a native precolumbian culture movie and we latinos are just that mixture, that 2 movies ( a spanish culture movie anda native culture movie) can  please us. Greetings from Mexico. Also I think that you are just trying to be " politically correct"  the race i think is the least issue we should focus on a movie, it is more relevant the culture and how well is a story adapted or written. Also you have to consider that Disney is a Company and have to make profit from their movies so they have to create movies that appeal to most of their consumers and if they find atractive the idea of an Aztec tale, or an Incan tale or a Mayan tale because these are the most popular civilizations in ancient america they will do it instead of making a taino tale that may be interesting but is not as popular to the world.

      you forgot african and yes that is basically cultures with royalty but in my culture we have yuiza http://www.elyunque.com/loiza.htm wich was a ruler woman and they dont need to go historical moana is showing that 

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    • Koji1616 wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      Koji1616 wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      Koji1616 wrote:
      You guys do know if disney dicides to make a latina princes or a princess of a place where there is no royalty she could just mary a prince from a distant place or somthing like that or a charater like mulan non rroyal but her heroism makes her a princess
      that is why is a lot better to make an Aztec, Mayan or Incan princess, since those civilizations were assimilated by latino culture. Precolumbian mythology is very rich and there are interesting tales about native princesses and warriors for example this one:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popocatépetl_and_Iztaccíhuatl
      yeah but that also cualifies as the traditional view of latin american roytalty when there were other civilisations in in soth america like taino wich is the culture i come frome and its dosent look or feel like anyt of the ones u menchioned latinos are so diverse its better to make a latina princess because tecnically that would also be the first mixed race princess since thats what we actually are and representing what is known traditionally as latino is always mexican or also astec mayan royalty so a generalised latina would represent better like they doing with Elena  cause atleast in my culture as a latino there is a mixture of all of what we are witch is african spaniard and african thats how we identify and recognice cause barly any native people are left unfortuantly 
      I Kind of understand your point but as I mentioned before the problem is that this princess will be entirely made up as historically the only monarchies in latin america were Brazil and México, so they must have to use again the same plot or argument used in " The Princess and the Frog" which is still a very recent disney movie. on the other hand as I said Native precolumbian civilizations are rich in those kinds of "royalty" histories, I don't know very much of the taino Mythology But I am pretty sure that they have great histories about women envolved in some way with the chiefs of their tribes. Also It could be nice If Disney make a version of the " el Cid" or the Quijote de la mancha" so thats it you have a Spanish culture movie and a native precolumbian culture movie and we latinos are just that mixture, that 2 movies ( a spanish culture movie anda native culture movie) can  please us. Greetings from Mexico. Also I think that you are just trying to be " politically correct"  the race i think is the least issue we should focus on a movie, it is more relevant the culture and how well is a story adapted or written. Also you have to consider that Disney is a Company and have to make profit from their movies so they have to create movies that appeal to most of their consumers and if they find atractive the idea of an Aztec tale, or an Incan tale or a Mayan tale because these are the most popular civilizations in ancient america they will do it instead of making a taino tale that may be interesting but is not as popular to the world.
      you forgot african and yes that is basically cultures with royalty but in my culture we have yuiza http://www.elyunque.com/loiza.htm wich was a ruler woman and they dont need to go historical moana is showing that 

      You are righ but  I am pretty sure that in moana they will make strong references to Polinesian mythology ( Hawaiian mythology, easter island mythology maori mythology maybe) and Polinesian culture as a whole is kind of popular culture

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    • and yep  they still need to make an African Princes movie ( maybe the Story of Yodit from Ethiopia)

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    • I'm agree with a Disney version of "El Cid" and "Don Quijote de la Mancha", because I'm from Spain, Jimena Díaz and Dulcinea del Toboso may be Disney Princess. I'm also agree with an Aztec or Mayan princess (Emperor's New Grooves is a movie about Incan culture), but in the case of Brazil (which is not hispanic), should be a Portuguese princess and a native from Amazon.

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    • Here's an idea. How about one that doesn't have to look like a total Supermodel like all the others

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    • GrandMike wrote:
      Here's an idea. How about one that doesn't have to look like a total Supermodel like all the others

      nope man that will doesn't work you just sound like an SJW talking about "fatshaming". 


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    • Pabloarielfarfan97 wrote:
      I'm agree with a Disney version of "El Cid" and "Don Quijote de la Mancha", because I'm from Spain, Jimena Díaz and Dulcinea del Toboso may be Disney Princess.

      I'm also agree with an Aztec or Mayan princess (Emperor's New Grooves is a movie about Incan culture), but in the case of Brazil (which is not hispanic), should be a Portuguese princess and a native from Amazon.

      A Disney version of " Don Quijote de la Mancha " could be very funny, and well Dulcinea isn't exactly a princess sinces in reality she is a peasant but it could work.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      GrandMike wrote:
      Here's an idea. How about one that doesn't have to look like a total Supermodel like all the others
      nope man that will doesn't work you just sound like an SJW talking about "fatshaming". 


      And besides, Merida and Moana have pretty realistic body types. 

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    • Royalreceiver wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      GrandMike wrote:
      Here's an idea. How about one that doesn't have to look like a total Supermodel like all the others
      nope man that will doesn't work you just sound like an SJW talking about "fatshaming". 


      And besides, Merida and Moana have pretty realistic body types. 

      who gives a fuck to that? ,  to little children being realistic in an animation movie  does not matter for them at all. If the charachter looks appealing to the audience that's what matter in a charachter design if the body is realistic or not that's secondary most people don't focus on that in animated movies ( and yes an appealing looking is not fat)

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      Royalreceiver wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      GrandMike wrote:
      Here's an idea. How about one that doesn't have to look like a total Supermodel like all the others
      nope man that will doesn't work you just sound like an SJW talking about "fatshaming". 


      And besides, Merida and Moana have pretty realistic body types. 
      who gives a fuck to that? ,  to little children being realistic in an animation movie  does not matter for them at all. If the charachter looks appealing to the audience that's what matter in a charachter design if the body is realistic or not that's secondary most people don't focus on that in animated movies ( and yes an appealing looking is not fat) 

      have u seen animation in were fat/ chubby people look apealing even in animation outside of disney.... cause i have even a post of anna if she was chubby and its completly cute 

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    • Koji1616 wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      Royalreceiver wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      GrandMike wrote:
      Here's an idea. How about one that doesn't have to look like a total Supermodel like all the others
      nope man that will doesn't work you just sound like an SJW talking about "fatshaming". 


      And besides, Merida and Moana have pretty realistic body types. 
      who gives a fuck to that? ,  to little children being realistic in an animation movie  does not matter for them at all. If the charachter looks appealing to the audience that's what matter in a charachter design if the body is realistic or not that's secondary most people don't focus on that in animated movies ( and yes an appealing looking is not fat) 
      have u seen animation in were fat/ chubby people look apealing even in animation outside of disney.... cause i have even a post of anna if she was chubby and its completly cute 

      nope  those are just fanmade images created by people that thing being obese is a good thing ( and is just not true), also movies like Shrek in whic the protagonist is fat is supposed to be a parody, and yes in a parody that work.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      Koji1616 wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      Royalreceiver wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      GrandMike wrote:
      Here's an idea. How about one that doesn't have to look like a total Supermodel like all the others
      nope man that will doesn't work you just sound like an SJW talking about "fatshaming". 


      And besides, Merida and Moana have pretty realistic body types. 
      who gives a fuck to that? ,  to little children being realistic in an animation movie  does not matter for them at all. If the charachter looks appealing to the audience that's what matter in a charachter design if the body is realistic or not that's secondary most people don't focus on that in animated movies ( and yes an appealing looking is not fat) 
      have u seen animation in were fat/ chubby people look apealing even in animation outside of disney.... cause i have even a post of anna if she was chubby and its completly cute 
      nope  those are just fanmade images created by people that thing being obese is a good thing ( and is just not true), also movies like Shrek in whic the protagonist is fat is supposed to be a parody, and yes in a parody that work.

      i know they are fan made and being chubbier than others can still be estetically pleasing in a cartoon and remember genetically some people are chubier "huscky" so it would still be estically pleasing to the eye for a person to be drawn chubily or fatter than usual princess and still in the disney stile 

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    • Another great idea is a Turkish princess, because Turkey was a monarchy with a very rich culture influenced by Europe and Middle East.   

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    • Pabloarielfarfan97 wrote:
      Another great idea is a Turkish princess, because Turkey was a monarchy with a very rich culture influenced by Europe and Middle East.   

      Yes great indeed, maybe they can take another tale from the Arabian Nights and give it a turkish setting, or take some popular Turkish tales.

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    • African, Hispanic, Egyptian and maybe Russian - if Disney ever makes their version of Swan Lake

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    • I wishe there's a Vietnamese, Korean, and Japanese princess. Maybe 3 more Chinese princesses from different dynasties (since Chinese culture is so different every dynasty) to expose people to more Chinese cultures. Chinese is also the largest ethnic group in the world, so it would be a proportional representation for them. I mean, there are 3 French princesses and 2 German princesses, might as well have more Chinese princesses.

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    • "DisneyJr wrote:
      I wishe there's a Vietnamese, Korean, and Japanese princess. Maybe 3 more Chinese princesses from different dynasties (since Chinese culture is so different every dynasty) to expose people to more Chinese cultures. Chinese is also the largest ethnic group in the world, so it would be a proportional representation for them. I mean, there are 3 French princesses and 2 German princesses, might as well have more Chinese princesses.

      "proportional representation" ? are  you an sjw?, who care about that we only want some variety in stories in cinema.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      "DisneyJr wrote:
      I wishe there's a Vietnamese, Korean, and Japanese princess. Maybe 3 more Chinese princesses from different dynasties (since Chinese culture is so different every dynasty) to expose people to more Chinese cultures. Chinese is also the largest ethnic group in the world, so it would be a proportional representation for them. I mean, there are 3 French princesses and 2 German princesses, might as well have more Chinese princesses.
      "proportional representation" ? are  you an sjw?, who care about that we only want some variety in stories in cinema.

      Yes, because wanting representation means sjw. -______________-

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    • DisneyJr wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      "DisneyJr wrote:
      I wishe there's a Vietnamese, Korean, and Japanese princess. Maybe 3 more Chinese princesses from different dynasties (since Chinese culture is so different every dynasty) to expose people to more Chinese cultures. Chinese is also the largest ethnic group in the world, so it would be a proportional representation for them. I mean, there are 3 French princesses and 2 German princesses, might as well have more Chinese princesses.
      "proportional representation" ? are  you an sjw?, who care about that we only want some variety in stories in cinema.
      Yes, because wanting representation means sjw. -______________-

      Yes it does. 

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      DisneyJr wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      "DisneyJr wrote:
      I wishe there's a Vietnamese, Korean, and Japanese princess. Maybe 3 more Chinese princesses from different dynasties (since Chinese culture is so different every dynasty) to expose people to more Chinese cultures. Chinese is also the largest ethnic group in the world, so it would be a proportional representation for them. I mean, there are 3 French princesses and 2 German princesses, might as well have more Chinese princesses.
      "proportional representation" ? are  you an sjw?, who care about that we only want some variety in stories in cinema.
      Yes, because wanting representation means sjw. -______________-
      Yes it does. 

      No, it doesn't. it just wants I want representation. Because guess what? I never see myself on American films that are depicted correctly. A discussion about wanting to have different cultures for Disney Princesses are is already wanting representation, so might as well call this entire thread SJW. -__-

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    • DisneyJr wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      DisneyJr wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      "DisneyJr wrote:
      I wishe there's a Vietnamese, Korean, and Japanese princess. Maybe 3 more Chinese princesses from different dynasties (since Chinese culture is so different every dynasty) to expose people to more Chinese cultures. Chinese is also the largest ethnic group in the world, so it would be a proportional representation for them. I mean, there are 3 French princesses and 2 German princesses, might as well have more Chinese princesses.
      "proportional representation" ? are  you an sjw?, who care about that we only want some variety in stories in cinema.
      Yes, because wanting representation means sjw. -______________-
      Yes it does. 
      No, it doesn't. it just wants I want representation. Because guess what? I never see myself on American films that are depicted correctly. A discussion about wanting to have different cultures for Disney Princesses are is already wanting representation, so might as well call this entire thread SJW. -__-

      Representation in media is the least important thing. Do you feel discriminated because there is no movie about your ethnicity? please grow up mr SJW. the reason that your ethnicity is not " represented" in american films is because they focus on their culture mainly maybe the cinematopgrafic industry of your country is very low developed.

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    • I think this thread is supposed to be about fun speculation of future Disney Princesses. 

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    • Royalreceiver wrote:
      I think this thread is supposed to be about fun speculation of future Disney Princesses. 

      You are completely right is just about speculation and not about " representation"

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      Royalreceiver wrote:
      I think this thread is supposed to be about fun speculation of future Disney Princesses. 
      You are completely right is just about speculation and not about " representation"

      Thanks. I felt the thread was getting heated, and I wanted to politely cool it down.

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    • Dyesebel would make a neat addition to the Disney Princesses, because there isn't a Filipina Princess yet, and plus I think they need another mermaid in the line-up.

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    • How about an Irish Princess?

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    • How About An Indian Princess?

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    • Tragould wrote:
      How about an Irish Princess?

      Well that can work maybe Isolda from Tristan and Isolda

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    • Tigerlover12 wrote:
      How About An Indian Princess?

      We already discuss that and yes is a cool aidea maybe Sita from the ramayana. So please before commenting read the entire discussion.

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    • Sorry, there were to many posts and it started to crash the Ipad.

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    • There isn't any English Princess in the line-up, only a Scottish but no English, despite of Eilonwy and Maid Mariam are English Princess, while Jane Porter is English and the Queen of the Apes, but any of them are oficial princess, I think that they should create another English Princess and join to the line-up, English Monarchy is very rich.

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    • Pabloarielfarfan97 wrote:
      There isn't any English Princess in the line-up, only a Scottish but no English, despite of Eilonwy and Maid Mariam are English Princess, while Jane Porter is English and the Queen of the Apes, but any of them are oficial princess, I think that they should create another English Princess and join to the line-up, English Monarchy is very rich.

      Maybe Isolda From  the " Tristan and Isolda" tale.

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    • I got an idea:

      How about an Irish Disney Princess voiced by Chloë Agnew with the story of "The Greek Princess and the Young Gardener"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greek_Princess_and_the_Young_Gardener

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    • Can you help us bring back romani culture into Disney Princess world while signing the petition?

      http://www.thepetitionsite.com/286/674/887/petition-for-disneyhasbro-to-add-romani-representation-esmeralda-to-disney-princess-brand/

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    • JaDangerz wrote:
      I got an idea:

      How about an Irish Disney Princess voiced by Chloë Agnew with the story of "The Greek Princess and the Young Gardener"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greek_Princess_and_the_Young_Gardener

      I am not sure even if the tale is irish who it is the story is about a greek princess.

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    • Piggy with wings wrote:
      Can you help us bring back romani culture into Disney Princess world while signing the petition?

      http://www.thepetitionsite.com/286/674/887/petition-for-disneyhasbro-to-add-romani-representation-esmeralda-to-disney-princess-brand/

      seems likely to add esmeralda to the line up to disney princess. Maybe we should do the same for Kida and Meg.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      JaDangerz wrote:
      I got an idea:

      How about an Irish Disney Princess voiced by Chloë Agnew with the story of "The Greek Princess and the Young Gardener"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greek_Princess_and_the_Young_Gardener

      I am not sure even if the tale is irish who it is the story is about a greek princess.

      I just hope there would be singing in it

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    • I would like a Japanese Disney princess. Or would that be too similar to Mulan?

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