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  • I saw another discussion wanted a petition for Eilonwy to be a princess. There is a petition:

    https://www.change.org/p/john-s-chen-add-other-disney-heroines-to-the-disney-princess-lineup

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    • Eh, I'll do it

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    • Well, considering Hercules gave up his God status to be normal, Megara no longer really should be considered a princess. But Eilonwy? yes.

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    • Disney won't make them princesses because:

      Megara is not a popular princess,and I think it is too late to add her.◄

      ►Nobody knows Elionwy,and a lot of people who have watched her movie doesn't like her.◄

      And Disney wants new Disney princesses. That's why they are making Moana...

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    • what abot kida?

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    • I agree about them. & Kida too. But what about Giselle, Jane, Elsa & Anna? They should be too. None of these Princess' will probably ever be official... but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be. 

      & wtf, Luylumu? Every comment I've read about Elionwy, every one likes her, so I don't know where you got your opinion from. People & Disney should stop making excuses for characters not to be official Princess' when some non official ones fit more criteria than already official ones.

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    • BeccaJayde wrote:
      I agree about them. & Kida too. But what about Giselle, Jane, Elsa & Anna? They should be too. None of these Princess' will probably ever be official... but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be. 

      & wtf, Luylumu? Every comment I've read about Elionwy, every one likes her, so I don't know where you got your opinion from. People & Disney should stop making excuses for characters not to be official Princess' when some non official ones fit more criteria than already official ones.

      Anyway,Elionwy is really unpopular,nobody knows her.

      There are legal problems with Giselle,that's why she is not an official Princess.I don't know why Jane is not a princess,probably because her story is very different from other princess' in the franchise.

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    • BeccaJayde wrote:
      I agree about them. & Kida too. But what about Giselle, Jane, Elsa & Anna? They should be too. None of these Princess' will probably ever be official... but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be. 

      & wtf, Luylumu? Every comment I've read about Elionwy, every one likes her, so I don't know where you got your opinion from. People & Disney should stop making excuses for characters not to be official Princess' when some non official ones fit more criteria than already official ones.

      heres the petition for anna andl elsa to be princesses

      https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-walt-disney-anna-and-elsa-as-disney-princesses

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    • I agree that Eilonwy Anna and Elsa should be Disney Princesses.

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    • I second that motion. Along with Kida and Elastigirl (if Pixar counts).

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    • To be honest Anna and Elsa are fine with their own franchise, but Elionwy on the other hand deserves recognition along with Esmerelda.

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    • I agree

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    • Let’s see how well Megara does when it comes to official criteria,

      Must complete each of the following:

      1. Have a lead role in a Disney animated movie: Meg appears in Hercules as the female lead. 2. Not be introduced in a a sequel: Megara is not introduced in a sequel. 3. Be human: Yes.

      Must complete at least one:

      1: Born Royal: No. 2: Marry Royal: Marries the son of the king of the gods. 3: Commit an act of Heroism: No, she already fulfills one criteria from above so this is not a problem

      Box office success: $253 million

      Things look pretty good for Megara.

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    • Luylumu wrote:
      BeccaJayde wrote:
      I agree about them. & Kida too. But what about Giselle, Jane, Elsa & Anna? They should be too. None of these Princess' will probably ever be official... but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be. 

      & wtf, Luylumu? Every comment I've read about Elionwy, every one likes her, so I don't know where you got your opinion from. People & Disney should stop making excuses for characters not to be official Princess' when some non official ones fit more criteria than already official ones.

      Anyway,Elionwy is really unpopular,nobody knows her.

      There are legal problems with Giselle,that's why she is not an official Princess.I don't know why Jane is not a princess,probably because her story is very different from other princess' in the franchise.

      Unfortunately Jane was removed because her color scheme of her dress was too similar to Belle'e they didn't want people mistaking Jane for Belle or Belle for Jane so that was the real reason why she is no longer included with the princesses

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    • 21EvanED155508 wrote:

      Luylumu wrote:
      BeccaJayde wrote:
      I agree about them. & Kida too. But what about Giselle, Jane, Elsa & Anna? They should be too. None of these Princess' will probably ever be official... but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be. 

      & wtf, Luylumu? Every comment I've read about Elionwy, every one likes her, so I don't know where you got your opinion from. People & Disney should stop making excuses for characters not to be official Princess' when some non official ones fit more criteria than already official ones.

      Anyway,Elionwy is really unpopular,nobody knows her.

      There are legal problems with Giselle,that's why she is not an official Princess.I don't know why Jane is not a princess,probably because her story is very different from other princess' in the franchise.

      Unfortunately Jane was removed because her color scheme of her dress was too similar to Belle'e they didn't want people mistaking Jane for Belle or Belle for Jane so that was the real reason why she is no longer included with the princesses

      Giselle was actually removed because her film is live action mixed with animation. Another problem was Disney Park appearances. Giselle would have to be played by her live action actor in Disney parks, it would be too expensive(and pretty much impossible) to have an actor with much better things to do walking around Disneyland for the rest of her life.

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    • The Screenwriter Admin wrote:

      21EvanED155508 wrote:

      Luylumu wrote:
      BeccaJayde wrote:
      I agree about them. & Kida too. But what about Giselle, Jane, Elsa & Anna? They should be too. None of these Princess' will probably ever be official... but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be. 

      & wtf, Luylumu? Every comment I've read about Elionwy, every one likes her, so I don't know where you got your opinion from. People & Disney should stop making excuses for characters not to be official Princess' when some non official ones fit more criteria than already official ones.

      Anyway,Elionwy is really unpopular,nobody knows her.

      There are legal problems with Giselle,that's why she is not an official Princess.I don't know why Jane is not a princess,probably because her story is very different from other princess' in the franchise.

      Unfortunately Jane was removed because her color scheme of her dress was too similar to Belle'e they didn't want people mistaking Jane for Belle or Belle for Jane so that was the real reason why she is no longer included with the princesses
      Giselle was actually removed because her film is live action mixed with animation. Another problem was Disney Park appearances. Giselle would have to be played by her live action actor in Disney parks, it would be too expensive(and pretty much impossible) to have an actor with much better things to do walking around Disneyland for the rest of her life.

      And Esmeralda was removed in 2004 because her film was not fiancally strong enough to fit the criteria which would be that her movie did not do so well, yes it was a commercial sucess worldwide by 325 milion but in the United States it only made 100 million this was the same issue with Megara, her movie only grossed 99 million in the US and it did 154 million in other countries

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    • The Screenwriter Admin wrote:

      Giselle was actually removed because her film is live action mixed with animation. Another problem was Disney Park appearances. Giselle would have to be played by her live action actor in Disney parks, it would be too expensive(and pretty much impossible) to have an actor with much better things to do walking around Disneyland for the rest of her life.

      I don't know about the whole Disneyland thing, but I know that Disney didn't add her, ebcause if they did, they'd have to pay Amy Adams a portion of their revenue, everytime they showed her face, since the cartoon version of her was based on her actual features.

      Judging by the Wreck-It-Ralph 2 trailers, it seems like Vanellope may be joining the line up.

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    • Well that's probably a good thing that Anna and Elsa didn't join the lineup in the first place

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    • As they wrote before; then we shouldn't forget Kida, Esmeralda, Jane, Vanellope, Giselle. (We didn't talk about Moana? With her what's the problem? Before I have to say I haven't see her movie, but she's a princess and the main protagonist of her film...) Yes, I know, there are reasons for that, but please... These girls did a much bigger things than Cinderella or Snow White, for example. Kida who did everything for her people and Esmeralda who did that so, but not as a princess. Jane later became the queen of the jungle and she's celever, intelligent and not just slept during the movie... Vanellope did everything for her dream. Giselle learned and thaught so much and she was also funny. And no, I don't want to be rude with the first Disney Princesses, but that's true the Princesses changed a lot since Snow White. But yes, I know, they are the classics, the frists, and yeah, they're princesses. I just mean, in my opinion a princess not just princess from her birth or marriage, what really matters isn't the crown, but the acts. And that's true, for example Esmeralda doesn't have a crown, but did everything to be a princess - except her birth and marriage. 

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    • Esmeralda was removed from the princess line for 2 reasons, but it does not have anything to do with her not being royal since Mulan isn't royalty either

      1. Her film wasn't successful enough fiancally for her to be part of the criteria

      2. Disney decided that she does not fit to the Princess Mythology.

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    • 21EvanED155508 wrote:
      Esmeralda was removed from the princess line for 2 reasons, but it does not have anything to do with her not being royal since Mulan isn't royalty either

      1. Her film wasn't successful enough fiancally for her to be part of the criteria

      2. Disney decided that she does not fit to the Princess Mythology.

      Yeah, I know. But I'm not glad for that.

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    • Can somebody make a petition to add Megara and Kida to the line-up? I mean, I defend those two because I like them and they actually deserve to shine. I don't defend Esmeralda o Jane because:

      None of them are royal, nor they did an act of heroism (yes, Esmeralda asked for her people and that, but she didn't even ended up together with the protagonist of the film, as well as she is kinda old in contrast with the rest of the princesses, yes, Kida is +8000 years old but physiscally she's like 20, a year older than Cinderella. In Jane's case, Tarzan might be king of the jungle or whatever, but they didn't actually marry, also yes, she has brown hair and a yellow dress like Belle so it would be kinda confusing)

      In Eilonwy's case, nobody remembers her, her VA already passed away, she doesn't even have a memorable song since her film was the first non-musical (something I think contributed to its financial failure) and she doesn't actually do something interesting in her movie.

      I defend Meg because:

      SHE MARRIED HERCULES (SON OF THE KING OF THE GODS, WHICH MAKES HIM A PRINCE) WHICH MAKES HER A PRINCESS

      SHE WAS A PRINCESS IN THE MYTHOLOGY (AND EVEN IF SHE ISN'T IN THE MOVIE, SO DOESN'T MULAN AND YET SHE IS PART OF THE LINE-UP)

      SHE DIDN'T DEBUTED IN A SEQUEL

      SHE IS HUMAN 

      She might not be the protagonist of her film, but so doesn't Jasmine AND YET SHE STILL IS ONE OF THE MOST RECOGNIZABLE MEMBERS OF THE DISNEY PRINCESS LINE-UP.

      So, the only things I think she is absent is because of her film's "poor" box-office, BUT SLEEPING BEAUTY'S ORIGINAL RELEASE WASN'T THAT SUCCESSFUL EITHER, BUT YES, SHE WAS THE LAST PRINCESS DEVELOPED BY WALT DISNEY AND THAT'S WHY THEY RE-RELEASED THE MOVIE IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL SO SHE COULD JOIN THE LINE-UP, as well as Meg having an "unreal" type of body, but HAVE YOU SEEN ARIEL AND JASMINE'S WAISTLINES? THAT ISN'T REALISTIC EITHER. That's why I defend her, since most of the "reasons" she isn't a Disney Princess are just merely excuses to not add her in the line-up.

      Same happens with Kida, yes, she was actually designed to not look like any other Disney Princesses, but she deserves to shine too. She might not sing, but she's a cool warrior and like Jasmine she is the deuteragonist of her film and the one of the couple who's actually royal. She ends up together with Milo (the film's protagonist, who isn't exactly a Disney Prince model) and she becomes QUEEN, so, if they add Elsa she could be too. If the main reason is box-office performance, maybe adding her to the line-up could bring more popularity to her movie and even the franchise.

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    • Megara and Esmeralda's films weren't as failures as The Black Cauldon and Atlantis were, but the box office performances weren't strong enough fiancally for the princess franchise, will Megara wasn't never an official princess, Esmeralda was once part of the franchise, and then removed in 2004 because she was not selling as well as the other princesses were. On the other hand, Jane Porter was removed because her dress color was too similar to Belle's Disney did not want kids to confuse her for Belle, and Sleeping Beauty was successful, it was not a faillure at all!

      And with Anna and Elsa, they likley will some point be added to the princess line since they are with the princesses along with Moana in Ralph Breaks the Internet, which would help raise sell prices on Disney Princess merchandise/products.

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    • 21EvanED155508 wrote: Megara and Esmeralda's films weren't as failures as The Black Cauldon and Atlantis were, but the box office performances weren't strong enough fiancally for the princess franchise, will Megara wasn't never an official princess, Esmeralda was once part of the franchise, and then removed in 2004 because she was not selling as well as the other princesses were. On the other hand, Jane Porter was removed because her dress color was too similar to Belle's Disney did not want kids to confuse her for Belle, and Sleeping Beauty was successful, it was not a faillure at all!

      And with Anna and Elsa, they likley will some point be added to the princess line since they are with the princesses along with Moana in Ralph Breaks the Internet, which would help raise sell prices on Disney Princess merchandise/products.

      At the time Esmeralda came out, people were suffering from serious colorism and they couldn't handle Esmeralda not being seen as "pure" as the other princesses and not being the main character's love interest. This is why people didn't buy her as much as the other princesses. I think times have changed and she should be given another shot.

      I'm uncertain about Jane, but I think it's dumb to remove her because of an outfit.

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    • maybe the might add her back when the remake comes out. You may not have heard but, Disney has confirmed that they are developing a live action reboot of the hunchback of notre dame ,

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    • The Screenwriter Admin wrote:

      21EvanED155508 wrote:

      Luylumu wrote:
      BeccaJayde wrote:
      I agree about them. & Kida too. But what about Giselle, Jane, Elsa & Anna? They should be too. None of these Princess' will probably ever be official... but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be. 

      & wtf, Luylumu? Every comment I've read about Elionwy, every one likes her, so I don't know where you got your opinion from. People & Disney should stop making excuses for characters not to be official Princess' when some non official ones fit more criteria than already official ones.

      Anyway,Elionwy is really unpopular,nobody knows her.

      There are legal problems with Giselle,that's why she is not an official Princess.I don't know why Jane is not a princess,probably because her story is very different from other princess' in the franchise.

      Unfortunately Jane was removed because her color scheme of her dress was too similar to Belle'e they didn't want people mistaking Jane for Belle or Belle for Jane so that was the real reason why she is no longer included with the princesses

      Giselle was actually removed because her film is live action mixed with animation. Another problem was Disney Park appearances. Giselle would have to be played by her live action actor in Disney parks, it would be too expensive(and pretty much impossible) to have an actor with much better things to do walking around Disneyland for the rest of her life.

      Well, if you think about it, Giselle technically never becomes a princess. There was no indication she was a princess before going to New York, but at the end of the movie, she gets with an average guy, not the prince.

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    • Guess what, Disney actully planned to include Giselle in the lineup, but the plan dropped it was because they had to pay royalties to Amy Adams using her image, everytime using her in DP merchandise, and she would all the time have to dress as her character at Disney parks every single day so that was the real reason why Giselle is not an official Disney Princess.

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    • I understand why people want Anna in the Disney Princesses, or even Eilonwy. Megara might even suffice considering Hercules. I just think her "bad girl" image didn't gel well with Disney's goals when they designed the Disney Princesses. She was kind of a "femme fatale". Also, didn't Hercules give up his status as a god?

      But unfortunately, Elsa and Kida became QUEENS at the end of their ORIGINAL movies (not sequels) and can no longer qualify for "princess". This is why I believe Elsa is not being ushered into the princess franchise. Anna isn't as popular as Elsa on her own, so they are keeping her with the one who stole the show, her sister, and making a brand out of Frozen.

      Jane probably had many reasons for being removed, but it makes sense if Tarzan became "King" of the jungle. Jane is also technically "Queen" of the Jungle.

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    • Lola987 wrote: what abot kida?

      Kida is a Queen now, no longer a princess.

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    • Koji1616 wrote:

      BeccaJayde wrote:
      I agree about them. & Kida too. But what about Giselle, Jane, Elsa & Anna? They should be too. None of these Princess' will probably ever be official... but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be. 

      & wtf, Luylumu? Every comment I've read about Elionwy, every one likes her, so I don't know where you got your opinion from. People & Disney should stop making excuses for characters not to be official Princess' when some non official ones fit more criteria than already official ones.

      heres the petition for anna andl elsa to be princesses

      https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-walt-disney-anna-and-elsa-as-disney-princesses

      Elsa is a Queen now, not a princess. She became a Queen in her first movie. I think most of the girls who are princesses either married a prince or a noble man (Mulan's case) or were the daughters of powerful people. Anna is still a princess, but I don't think she could make it in the Disney Princesses on her own.

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    • 21EvanED155508 wrote: Esmeralda was removed from the princess line for 2 reasons, but it does not have anything to do with her not being royal since Mulan isn't royalty either

      1. Her film wasn't successful enough fiancally for her to be part of the criteria

      2. Disney decided that she does not fit to the Princess Mythology.

      Mulan didn't marry a prince, but she did marry a nobleman. Shang is a noble, due to his father's military background. In historical China, noblemen were often considered apart of the royal court and technically "princess" means of "noble" blood.

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    • That was exactly the same thing with Moana, and but the reason Elsa and Anna are not part of the princess line is because ok Disney also originally to include them in the lineup, Elsa was planned to because, Queens can be in the disney princess lineup if they are first introduced as a princess but if not then she wouldn't qualify, but they aren't part of the brand because Frozen was an extreme massive box office success 1.2 billion, which was successful enough for them to spawn their own franchise, so they could not add them to the disney princesses franchise because they are so valuable, they would take sells and outnumber them all of the princesses and overshadow them they would pretty much been the only ones in the dp franchise and Disney didn't want that to happen to they were put in their own franchise.

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    • Basically these are the reasons why these heroines are NOT Disney Princesses:

      1. Eilonwy

      - Her movie was a box-office FAILURE, and it didn't have cultural impact like Sleeping Beauty.

      - And she has been dubbed as the "Forgotten princess" because she was created during Disney's darkest of times.

      2. Megara 

      - Her role in the film is neither Primary nor Distinctive enough for people to remember her, unlike Jasmine, wherein her role was highly distinctive.

      - Also, Hercules is targeted primarily at boys, thus giving the spotlight to Hercules more, and leaving Meg under his shadow. Aladdin was gender-neutral and both Aladdin and Jasmine had an EQUAL share on the spotlight.

      - Lastly, if you put her film up against Aladdin's, Hercules didn't really perform that good for Meg to qualify as a member.

      3. Esmeralda

      - She was a member and got removed, because marketing for her was a FAILURE.

      - She was a figure of sexual desire by the main antagonist of her film, thus butchering her character as being part of the "princess mythology".

      4. Tinker Bell:

      - She was a member, and got removed because Disney decided to create a franchise centering her: The Disney Fairies.

      5. Jane Porter:

      - She looked like Belle's doppleganger, and Disney didn't want to confuse both women with each other. Since Belle was much more distinctive, she was kept, and Jane was removed.

      - Marketing for her may have possibly failed as well.

      6. Kida

      - Her film didn't do well in the box-office, nor did it have any cultural impact compared to Sleeping Beauty.

      - Kida isn't really marketable nor viewed as a "Disney Princess", so she also doesn't fit the "Princess Mythology".

      7. Giselle:

      - She originally qualified to be a new member of the group, and got removed because Disney Princesses should be solely animated, and she has a live-action counterpart in her film.

      - Legally speaking, since her actress was the basis of her character (both animated and live-action), Disney has to pay Giselle's actress extra cash if they want to use Giselle as a marketing tool. And since Disney can't afford that, they decided to not include her overall.

      8. Anna and Elsa:

      - They also originally qualified to be new members of the group, and initially got removed because their film ended up being too successful, even more successful than most of the Disney Princesses' films.

      - Since Disney didn't want to lose financial advantages with the two of them, they decided to create the Disney Frozen franchise instead.

      - Let's face it, if Anna and Elsa were inducted, they would've overshadowed EVERYBODY in the group, and that doesn't seem like a fair share at all.

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    • I've always wondered what Overshadowed means, meaning Disney would have to remove all 12 princesses and they would have been the only members of the lineup??

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    • And also, for Jane, they could have just depicted her with a different dress color and should have redesigned her looks.

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    • 21EvanED155508 wrote:
      I've always wondered what Overshadowed means, meaning Disney would have to remove all 12 princesses and they would have been the only members of the lineup??

      It meant that they would be at the forefront of everything, and Disney will completely ignore everybody in that group because both Anna and Elsa are really popular

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    • 21EvanED155508 wrote:
      And also, for Jane, they could have just depicted her with a different dress color and should have redesigned her looks.

      Blame the original animators of Tarzan I guess...

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