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  • Recently I've come to realize that Kiara is in a special position in that she would be the first Princess (at least for a few generations) to inherit the throne to the Pride Lands, as the last few generations of heirs before her had all been male.

    However, the announcement of the upcoming film/TV series The Lion Guard, and the introduction of her brother Kion, provides an interesting topic of discussion: Could Kiara possibly lose the throne to Kion?

    They are the first known set of male/female siblings in their family, so throne inheritance is unclear. Their father was an only child, so he was the only lion who would inherit the throne. Although the movies imply that the first-born cub gets the throne, it is unknown if that applies to male cubs only. Kion could very well bypass Kiara, and become King of the Pride Lands upon Simba's death, as he is the first-born male (Kopa does not count)

    I'm also interested in Kovu's title/position. If Kiara remains as the Crown Princess and isn't surpassed by Kion would Kovu become a King/Prince Consort? Would he co-rule alongside Kiara? Or would he actually take over upon Simba's death (similar to Aladdin becoming Sultan upon the death of Jasmine's father, despite Jasmine being the Sultan's daughter)?

    I like to believe Kiara will still be Crown Princess, meaning that Kion would only inherit if Kiara dies without producing an heir. Maybe it will be revealed in Lion Guard, maybe it won't. I'm interested to hear what others think: Will Kiara still become Queen?

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    • Good point

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    • I think yes

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    • She will most definitely be queen. After all, it is the eldest child of the king who becomes heir to the throne. (Don't believe me? Check out Mufasa and Scar). Unless Kiara and Kovu have cubs, Kion will be king after Kiara is queen.

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    • Tigerfan45, So the eldest child does get it regardless of gender? I just wasn't sure if the Pride Lands followed the outdated, yet traditional, views of favoring male heirs...

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    • Yes. It is eldest child regardless of gender. I mean, granted, Mufasa and Scar were both male, but, Mufasa was the eldest, so, by Pride Land law, he was the future king, not Scar. So, Kiara will still get to be queen. Oh, and by the way, you can just call me Tiger.

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    • What if Kopa returned

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    • If Kopa returned, he would probably bee third in line, since Kiara was made future queen after his disappearance.

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    • Ok

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    • Tigerfan45 wrote:
      If Kopa returned, he would probably bee third in line, since Kiara was made future queen after his disappearance.

      It would be a shocking twist

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    • I agree with Tigerfan45. If Kopa returns, he would probably third in line, whenever Kiara is queen.

      Kopa could be either second in line if Kopa is only The Lion Guard.

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    • Kiara, definitely. Simba wouldn't deprive her of ruling just because she's a girl. :3

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    • Line of succession would put Kiara first. Then Kion. If Kopa returns he'll be after Kion. If Kiara has any cubs Kion will be placed lower in the line of succession

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    • Why would Kopa be after Kiara? He was first born before Kiara, and there are 2 different presentations of the cubs.

      There is also some other links that discribes the difference of Kopa and Kiara

      kopa_and_kiara_tlk___1_and_2_by_cooperfan-d31yck1.jpg 585×563 pixels

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    • Because Kiera was proclaimed the next ruler after Kopa disappeared

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    • Ginnyharry4ever wrote:
      Because Kiera was proclaimed the next ruler after Kopa disappeared

      Well, okay.

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    • Ginnyharry4ever wrote:
      What if Kopa returned

      Kopa is not cannon and Kiara was first-born so She is the only one who can get throne with Kovu by her side.

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    • Gracekim12 wrote:
      Ginnyharry4ever wrote:
      What if Kopa returned
      Kopa is not cannon and Kiara was first-born so She is the only one who can get throne with Kovu by her side.

      What will Kovu's title be? Will he be King, or Prince? And will he be a King/Prince Consort, or will he actually have some ruling power alongside Kiara, sort of like a joint monarchy where both spouses rule equally.

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    • He'll be King Consort, and he and Kiara will share power. All ruling monarchs do

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    • Ginnyharry4ever wrote:
      He'll be King Consort, and he and Kiara will share power. All ruling monarchs do

      Oh. Cool! I guess I was confused because I keep looking at the British Monarchy as an example where the spouse, in this case Prince Phillip, seems to have no power/authority whatsoever.

      I think it's great that Kiara and Kovu can rule together!

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    • I like researching the British monarchy too

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    • Prince Phillip doesn't have much authority or power because he wasn't crowned at Her Majesty's coronation

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    • Of course, I could be wrong, and Kovu could be Prince Consort

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    • Ginnyharry4ever wrote:
      Of course, I could be wrong, and Kovu could be Prince Consort

      He could be. But I hope they go the other route and have them co-rule, together as king and queen.

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    • I've done some thought and research about this and I've deduced that unless they are crowned together, the wife or husband of a monarch will be Prince/Princess Consort

      Of course, the Queen of Sweden stumped me a little with this theory

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    • Ginnyharry4ever wrote:
      I've done some thought and research about this and I've deduced that unless they are crowned together, the wife or husband of a monarch will be Prince/Princess Consort

      Of course, the Queen of Sweden stumped me a little with this theory

      See, I've always seen it happen where if the soon-to-be ruler is a male, his wife will be queen upon his coronation, and if the ruler is female, her husband would be prince.

      Never made any sense to me though. It would just be so much easier to call the spouse of the reigning monarch King or Queen and get rid of all the confusing Queen/Prince, King/Princess nonsense.

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    • Exactly

      I'm still doing research about this

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    • Tigerfan45 wrote: She will most definitely be queen. After all, it is the eldest child of the king who becomes heir to the throne. (Don't believe me? Check out Mufasa and Scar). Unless Kiara and Kovu have cubs, Kion will be king after Kiara is queen.

      Kiara and Kovu hae cubs in my fanfics, and so does Kopa, and they are below Kiara, Kopa, and Kion

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    • Um I don't think the second borns ever get to be king or queen with the way the line works

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    • ok but I don't think the second borns ever get to be king

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    • From what I've researched, the second child of a monarch is pushed down the line of succession by the children of his or her older sibling (the heir)

      Just like Scar was

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    • yeah exactly. So Kion will never be king (Although from what I can tell I don't think he wants to. I mean he;s a good leader for the guard but ruinning a kingdom?.....I don't know)

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    • Kion could be the ruler if Kovu and Kiara never have cubs..

      But you're right, he's suited for being the Leader of the Guard

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    • yeah he's never really given off the impression 'I secertly wish to be king one day'

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    • In my fanfics, Kopa was abducted by the hyenas on the day of Kiara's birth and held captive until a few months after Kion's birth when he found his way back to his family.

      Thus, since she was born on the day of his abduction, Kiara was proclaimed as the next ruler, and holds this title despite Kopa's return for two reasons.

      • It's technically her birthright.
      • Kopa doesn't like or want to understand government affairs and policies and Kiara does
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    • Okay, here's some more results of research I've done

      An heir apparent or heiress apparent is a person who is first in line of succession and cannot be displaced from inheriting by the birth of another person. An heir presumptive, by contrast, is someone who is first in line to inherit a title but who can be displaced by the birth of a more eligible heir.

      If Kiara is proclaimed queen, until she has cubs, Kion would be her heir presumptive, as her cubs are more eligible to inherit then he is, hopefully he won't go down the path Scar went down.

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    • yeah.... I wouldn't like my fanfiction that is my interpretation of where Kion was during the war with Zira with some big twists :,D

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    • Gracekim12 wrote: yeah.... I wouldn't like my fanfiction that is my interpretation of where Kion was during the war with Zira with some big twists :,D

      Is it on TLK Fanon Wikia?

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    • I think I linked it on there

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    • Okay

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    • I have a blog detailing the Royal family in my fanfics on that wikia check it out

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    • Guys Kiara is meant to inherit the throne after Simba with Kovu by her side. Kion is leader of the lion guard so no he won't steal Kiara's future title. so that's the end of the discuission now....

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    • Gracekim12 wrote: Guys Kiara is meant to inherit the throne after Simba with Kovu by her side. Kion is leader of the lion guard so no he won't steal Kiara's future title. so that's the end of the discuission now....

      We're allowed to keep discussing this

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    • I like how the monarchy is protyayed in my fanfics. Kiara and Kion both being above Kopa in the line of succession despite despite being younger then him, and Kiara's and Kopa's cubs being below them. (In reality, they'd be above Kion)

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    • In some kingdoms, males are high in the line of succession, even if they have older sisters

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    • Ok, ok. Yes, you do that in your fanfics great. But isn't the disscusssion over now?

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    • No, it doesn't have to be over.

      Users are allowed to continue it

      If you don't want too, that's fine

      In my fanfics, Kiara's the heir, despite being younger then Kopa because it's technically her birthright, and she understands the pressures, joys, and responsibilities of ruling better then he does.

      She also has a greater interest in government affairs

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    • but what else is there to talk about? because the questions for this topic have already been answered so......yeah

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    • We can still discuss it

      There's no harm in it

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    • MickeysPal wrote:
      Recently I've come to realize that Kiara is in a special position in that she would be the first Princess (at least for a few generations) to inherit the throne to the Pride Lands, as the last few generations of heirs before her had all been male.

      However, the announcement of the upcoming film/TV series The Lion Guard, and the introduction of her brother Kion, provides an interesting topic of discussion: Could Kiara possibly lose the throne to Kion?

      They are the first known set of male/female siblings in their family, so throne inheritance is unclear. Their father was an only child, so he was the only lion who would inherit the throne. Although the movies imply that the first-born cub gets the throne, it is unknown if that applies to male cubs only. Kion could very well bypass Kiara, and become King of the Pride Lands upon Simba's death, as he is the first-born male (Kopa does not count)

      I'm also interested in Kovu's title/position. If Kiara remains as the Crown Princess and isn't surpassed by Kion would Kovu become a King/Prince Consort? Would he co-rule alongside Kiara? Or would he actually take over upon Simba's death (similar to Aladdin becoming Sultan upon the death of Jasmine's father, despite Jasmine being the Sultan's daughter)?

      I like to believe Kiara will still be Crown Princess, meaning that Kion would only inherit if Kiara dies without producing an heir. Maybe it will be revealed in Lion Guard, maybe it won't. I'm interested to hear what others think: Will Kiara still become Queen?

      So Mickey pal, now that we've answered your questions is the discussion over?

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    • You don't have to keep replying to this thread

      We're all allowed to talk about it

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    • Jeana Marie wrote:
      I agree with Tigerfan45. If Kopa returns, he would probably third in line, whenever Kiara is queen.

      Kopa could be either second in line if Kopa is only The Lion Guard.

      Kopa is unfortunatly not cannon

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    • I hate that Uru and Ahadi and Mohatu aren't considered to be related to Kiara and Kion

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    • I'll always consider them related

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    • Gracekim12 wrote:
      MickeysPal wrote:
      Recently I've come to realize that Kiara is in a special position in that she would be the first Princess (at least for a few generations) to inherit the throne to the Pride Lands, as the last few generations of heirs before her had all been male.

      However, the announcement of the upcoming film/TV series The Lion Guard, and the introduction of her brother Kion, provides an interesting topic of discussion: Could Kiara possibly lose the throne to Kion?

      They are the first known set of male/female siblings in their family, so throne inheritance is unclear. Their father was an only child, so he was the only lion who would inherit the throne. Although the movies imply that the first-born cub gets the throne, it is unknown if that applies to male cubs only. Kion could very well bypass Kiara, and become King of the Pride Lands upon Simba's death, as he is the first-born male (Kopa does not count)

      I'm also interested in Kovu's title/position. If Kiara remains as the Crown Princess and isn't surpassed by Kion would Kovu become a King/Prince Consort? Would he co-rule alongside Kiara? Or would he actually take over upon Simba's death (similar to Aladdin becoming Sultan upon the death of Jasmine's father, despite Jasmine being the Sultan's daughter)?

      I like to believe Kiara will still be Crown Princess, meaning that Kion would only inherit if Kiara dies without producing an heir. Maybe it will be revealed in Lion Guard, maybe it won't. I'm interested to hear what others think: Will Kiara still become Queen?

      So Mickey pal, now that we've answered your questions is the discussion over?

      I don't think I really have control over when it's over. Did I get a good, insightful answer through the discussion? Yes, I think so. So it's over for me, but if people want to keep discussing things, I'm not going to tell them to stop. Besides, there have been numerous threads where the discussion has gone off topic anyway...

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    • We haven't really gone off topic

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    • Ginnyharry4ever wrote:
      We haven't really gone off topic

      Not fully, but it could happen. In a way it kind of has, because we have been discussing fan-fiction sources when this question seemed more suited for an in-universe, canonical answer. Or one that looks to real life monarchies for answers (which we have been doing). Not that fan-fiction is a bad thing, but it doesn't really help when it comes to getting a reliable answer.

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    • Ginnyharry4ever wrote:
      I hate that Uru and Ahadi and Mohatu aren't considered to be related to Kiara and Kion

      How are they not related to Kiara and Kion? Aren't they Simba's grandparents and/or great-grandparents?

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    • They are, but apparently they aren't considered canon to TLK2 or TLG

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    • Ahadi and Uru are Simba's grandparents, Mohatu is his great-grandfather

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    • Well, that's just dumb. They're still Kiara and Kopa's great-grandparents. They should still be canon even if they don't make any appearances with them.

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    • MickeysPal wrote:
      Well, that's just dumb. They're still Kiara and Kopa's great-grandparents. They should still be canon even if they don't make any appearances with them.

      I wish they were cannon. It makes the most sense

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    • Well one thing with these Lion King and Lion Guard lions is they probably rule like the African cultures not European royal families MickeyPal. Choosing the next Heir they don't run a kingdom quite the same way, Africa and Europe. With animated movies like the The Prince of Egypt it's clear Europe waits longer when it comes to choosing a new king / queen. 


      I think these lions may show European attitude in the main details of their personalities, but their laws are chosen more like African people rule their small kingdoms. 

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    • Um obviously Kiara will be Queen. End of story.

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    • Technically, Kion is the firstborn son, if at Mufasa and Scar, Mufasa was the first-born son and was elected king, the same applies to Kion.

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    • TsarSimba wrote: Technically, Kion is the firstborn son, if at Mufasa and Scar, Mufasa was the first-born son and was elected king, the same applies to Kion.

      Yes, Kion would be King if they went by male Prigmoture, but it’s already confirmed that Kiara is going to be Queen so the laws Pride Lands must go by absolute Prigmoture, meaning that the eldest child gets the throne regardless of gender. Kion wouldn’t become King unless Kiara abdicated the throne or if she and Kovu had no cubs. My question is, will Kiara or Kovu be the sovereign monarch of Pride Rock? The Lion Guard seems to imply that Kiara will be, but I’ve heard different things from other people. Seeing as Kiara is the royal blooded cub, she should become the future ruler, right?

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