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    03:47, August 12, 2016

    Maybe a fallen/disgraced god vowed to bring destruction.

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    • The villain/main antagonist is probably the reason why Moana's family stopped navigating, bringing Moana to her quest in the first place.

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    • Probably the lava witch

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    • KillRoy231 wrote: Probably the lava witch

      She would be such an epic villain like the traditional Disney ones, but I still like the surprise villains.

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    • I hope the main villain in Moana dies.

      Hans didn't die because despite attempting murder, he didn't actually kill anyone, Callahan didn't die because he was a semi-sympathetic character because of his missing daughter, and Bellwether didn't die because she failed to savage the predator citizens.

      I miss Disney villain deaths

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    • A lot of the villains that died didn't kill anyone, such as Maleficent, Jafar, or King Candy, but have attempted murder all the same.

      But I miss them too. I counted 30 in total, though three of them are highly debatable. Well, 32 if you count a sequel I take as non-canon due to plot holes and an easily-forgettable villain, and 36 if you count the Pixar ones.

      (30 in question being the evil queen, Man, Maleficent, Edgar, Madame Medusa, Percival McLeach, the Horned King, Professor Ratigan, Sykes, Ursula, Gaston, Oogie Boogie, Jafar, Sa'luk, Scar, Zira, Frollo, Shan Yu, Clayton, Kron, the carnotaur, Yzma, Rourke, the Kraken, Volgud, Carnaby, Scroop, Dr. Facilier, Mother Gothel, and King Candy. As far as I can tell the queen was the first villain to die in a movie, a year before the Wicked Witch of the West)

      After three survivals in a row, I'm so confident that the lava witch or whoever it is will survive, that if she dies, I'm watching Twilight.

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    • i would say kingdom of darkness and the lava witch 

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    • "A lot of the villains that died didn't kill anyone, such as Maleficent, Jafar, or King Candy, but have attempted murder all the same"

      Wrong, King Candy did kill his peers in his own game, Turbotime.

      Anyway, I hope this villain/villainess is really good. I'm sick of last minute plot twists. I want some Genius powerful sorcere/witch who is crafty and has personality besides acting as a nice cardboard, but is a mean tryhard in reality. But with Musker and Clements, I think a great villain is a given.

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    • Are we sure they never left their games before they went out of order? Well, I suppose we don't see them outside, do we? Possibly why he was presumed dead after that, but obviously he escaped to Sugar Rush

      Either way, Maleficent, Ursula, Jafar, Sa'luk, and Zira have only attempted murder, which still carries the death penalty in just about any Disney movie before Frozen.

      Of course most of the others that died are still successful murderers. Not sure if we can count Gaston, since we're not sure the Beast died before becoming human again, but we see skeletons in the queen's dungeon, Man killed Bambi's mother, McLeach killed Marahute's husband, the Horned King clearly had someone beheaded before threatening Hen-Wen, Ratigan fed Bartholomew to Felicia, Sykes gives a guy advice on how to kill someone, Scar killed Mufasa, Frollo killed Quasimodo's mother, Shan Yu killed General Li and massacred a village, Clayton killed Kerchak, Yzma killed the royal dresser, Rourke killed the king, the kraken sunk ships, Scroop killed Mr. Arrow, Facilier killed Ray, and Gothel killed Eugene (though only temporarily)

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    • How about a Treacherous Villain. Mickey Rourke should be the main antagonist!

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    • @KillRoy231 : "Are we sure they never left their games before they went out of order? Well, I suppose we don't see them outside, do we?"

      If they ever escaped, they would have denounced Turbo, wouldn't they ?

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    • I was thinking a Polynesian goddess :)

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    • How about Uh-Oa, the Polynesian goddess of disaster!

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    • I have a feeling Moana will go the Pocahontas route and the villain(s) would be more modern people colonizing native peoples and destroying their culture, causing Moana's folk to stop navigating.

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    • Nah, I doubt it. That's not Musker and Clements' style.

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    • agreed

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    • From the sound of things it'll be a more supernatural one

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    • Disney might pull a fourth "villain turns out to be an innocent character the whole time" on us. Remember Hans, Callaghan and Bellwether? Maybe they were tired of people immediately recognizing certain characters as evil based on their looks and personality, I dunno.

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    • Oh HELL NO !!! People have gotten tired of THAT trend alright, because these kind of villains are one-note wannabe misunderstood outcasts, whose plans are pitiful, along with their motivations, and their personalities are just as flat. And they became pretty predictable on their own.

      Even among fans of Zootopia, I've read many people disgruntled with Bellwether and with how Disney's been handling the villains recently.

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    • Dan1394 wrote:
      Oh HELL NO !!! People have gotten tired of THAT trend alright, because these kind of villains are one-note wannabe misunderstood outcasts, whose plans are pitiful, along with their motivations, and their personalities are just as flat.

      Even among fans of Zootopia, I've read many people disgruntled with Bellwether and with how Disn ey's been handling the villains recently.

      Just ONE THING, we couldn't blame Zootopia for having a mystery villain, it was a CASE afterall. You can blame Frozen and BG6 though. 

      I personally love that trend, but that's just me. I just hate it when people say that Bellwether shouldn't have been kept a mystery, that's just invalid. It was a cop movie guys with a case to be solved. What charm would it have if we knew it since the beginning?! 

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    • Rouhad wrote:
      Dan1394 wrote:
      Oh HELL NO !!! People have gotten tired of THAT trend alright, because these kind of villains are one-note wannabe misunderstood outcasts, whose plans are pitiful, along with their motivations, and their personalities are just as flat.

      Even among fans of Zootopia, I've read many people disgruntled with Bellwether and with how Disn ey's been handling the villains recently.

      Just ONE THING, we couldn't blame Zootopia for having a mystery villain, it was a CASE afterall. You can blame Frozen and BG6 though. 

      I personally love that trend, but that's just me. I just hate it when people say that Bellwether shouldn't have been kept a mystery, that's just invalid. It was a cop movie guys with a case to be solved. What charm would it have if we knew it since the beginning?! 


      I'm not blaming Zootopia for having a plot-twist villain. I'm blaming Disney's obsession with this trend, when they clearly don't know how to make it interesting, after Wreck It Ralph.

      But if I can say something about Zootopia, I'm not against the fact that Bellwether is a surprise villain in itself. I'm against her being awkwardly and lazily written, just like Hans.

      Bellwether's motivations are beyond stupid : she concocted this big plan all because the Mayor bullied her. Not because of some deeper reason that could have been shown in a flashback. No, her employer sucks, her employer is a predator, predators suck. That's her logic in a nutshell

      Second, she has this potentially awesome weapon, the Night Howler serum. What does she do with it ? Shoot people in crowds, so that chaos wiil ensue and predators could be chastized ?

      No, she has random 14 people NOBODY has ever seen raging and becoming wild (outside of Manchas, who couldn't testify because of his vicinity with Mr Big), that has basically done nothing and that have been all CONVENIENTLY abducted by the Mayor.

      On top of that, when SHE becomes the Mayor, does she start a regime of segregation against predators ? Hell no ! She just twiddles her hooves until Doug calls her about Judy and Nick, while all that has happened in Zootopia was people looking nervous and some others losing jobs, but nothing more.

      Her plan was too straight-forward on one point, and she NEVER took any odds in consideration. Just like Hans, who did nothing but looking nice and having characters being useless or plot-convenient enough to make his "plan" work, but NEVER thought about any back up plan for different outcomes.

      You like this trend ? Whatever, it has gotten old and Disney certaintly cannot do anything interesting with it beyond "Cute/Nice looking background cardboard who is actually a misfit who thinks he/she is doing the right thing".

      The only one I can excuse is Callagahan from BH6, because at least, he was no real villain but rather an anti villain : he had a valid reason to do all of that, but he went too far and was too blinded with his revenge to realize the weight of his actions.

      But Hans ? He sucks because he's one note and his plan is lazy.

      Bellwether ? The "charm" is nowhere to be seen because one could even tell it from the trailers that either her or the Mayor were the villain. And the surprise is unearned because her plan was needlessly complicated, ending up being even worse than Hans'. He had some kind of background that "justified" his actions, as lazy and pathetic his plan was and worthless he was, while Bellwether had a lousy motivation hidden behind the "PREDATURZ R EVIL" scapegoat, and had NO backstory to give her any profoundity, and on top of that, she wasted even her secret weapon.

      The only surprise villain Disney has pulled right so far was King Candy/Turbo, and that's it.

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    • But anyway, let's not move away from the thread's topic.

      Personally, I think it might be more reasonable to think it will be an old fashioned villain because :

      A) Musker and Clements are the directors.

      B) It's a story that has some roots on Polynesian mythos, so it has to be some supernatural being of some sort, hopefully.

      But I think it would be wiser to wait for a full trailer, in order to make more educated guesses.

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    • Dan1394 wrote:
      Rouhad wrote:
      Dan1394 wrote:
      Oh HELL NO !!! People have gotten tired of THAT trend alright, because these kind of villains are one-note wannabe misunderstood outcasts, whose plans are pitiful, along with their motivations, and their personalities are just as flat.

      Even among fans of Zootopia, I've read many people disgruntled with Bellwether and with how Disn ey's been handling the villains recently.

      Just ONE THING, we couldn't blame Zootopia for having a mystery villain, it was a CASE afterall. You can blame Frozen and BG6 though. 

      I personally love that trend, but that's just me. I just hate it when people say that Bellwether shouldn't have been kept a mystery, that's just invalid. It was a cop movie guys with a case to be solved. What charm would it have if we knew it since the beginning?! 


      I'm not blaming Zootopia for having a plot-twist villain. I'm blaming Disney's obsession with this trend, when they clearly don't know how to make it interesting, after Wreck It Ralph.

      But if I can say something about Zootopia, I'm not against the fact that Bellwether is a surprise villain in itself. I'm against her being awkwardly and lazily written, just like Hans.

      Bellwether's motivations are beyond stupid : she concocted this big plan all because the Mayor bullied her. Not because of some deeper reason that could have been shown in a flashback. No, her employer sucks, her employer is a predator, predators suck. That's her logic in a nutshell

      Second, she has this potentially awesome weapon, the Night Howler serum. What does she do with it ? Shoot people in crowds, so that chaos wiil ensue and predators could be chastized ?

      No, she has random 14 people NOBODY has ever seen raging and becoming wild (outside of Manchas, who couldn't testify because of his vicinity with Mr Big), that has basically done nothing and that have been all CONVENIENTLY abducted by the Mayor.

      On top of that, when SHE becomes the Mayor, does she start a regime of segregation against predators ? Hell no ! She just twiddles her hooves until Doug calls her about Judy and Nick, while all that has happened in Zootopia was people looking nervous and some others losing jobs, but nothing more.

      Her plan was too straight-forward on one point, and she NEVER took any odds in consideration. Just like Hans, who did nothing but looking nice and having characters being useless or plot-convenient enough to make his "plan" work, but NEVER thought about any back up plan for different outcomes.

      You like this trend ? Whatever, it has gotten old and Disney certaintly cannot do anything interesting with it beyond "Cute/Nice looking background cardboard who is actually a misfit who thinks he/she is doing the right thing".

      The only one I can excuse is Callagahan from BH6, because at least, he was no real villain but rather an anti villain : he had a valid reason to do all of that, but he went too far and was too blinded with his revenge to realize the weight of his actions.

      But Hans ? He sucks because he's one note and his plan is lazy.

      Bellwether ? The "charm" is nowhere to be seen because one could even tell it from the trailers that either her or the Mayor were the villain. And the surprise is unearned because her plan was needlessly complicated, ending up being even worse than Hans'. He had some kind of background that "justified" his actions, as lazy and pathetic his plan was and worthless he was, while Bellwether had a lousy motivation hidden behind the "PREDATURZ R EVIL" scapegoat, and had NO backstory to give her any profoundity, and on top of that, she wasted even her secret weapon.

      The only surprise villain Disney has pulled right so far was King Candy/Turbo, and that's it.

      1) King Candy is my second favorite, though he isn't a COMPLETELY surprise villain, we knew he was antagonistic to the main heroes, but then there's the twist of him being Turbo. 

      2) Hans is in my opinion the best surprise villain to date. A sociopath abused by his 12 older brothers, wanting to prove himself, but the only way is to rule a kingdom, and like he said himself, in his own kingdom he didn't stand a chance. His plan was perfect and worked like he wanted it, the only mistake that occured, is that he didn't know about Olaf's existence. That's what made it fail. I don't get your problem with him.

      3) I completey agree about Callaghan.

      4) Now let's get to Bellwether. I don't have any problem with her plan. My only problem is that I wanted her a backstory that explains a bit more of her hate towards predators.

      Besides, where does it show that she made all that because of Lionheart? She said "Predators they may be strong...ect", so clearly she took revenge on all predators, the mayor was just 'one' of them.

      And when I said 'charm', I meant that in movies with cases, we always try to figure out the mastermind behind it, so clearly Zootopia is (so far) the only Revival movie that MUST have a surprise villain (unlike others that could have had a clear one) and yes, I knew myself that she was the one in the first half of the movie.

      Of course, that was just my opinion, and I'm not tired of that trend, but I guess Moana should have a clear one.

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    • @Rouhad : 1) He's among my favorites (as you can see from my page), but still, the surprise was well done, because he might have been antagonistic, but you couldn't tell he was really evil until Ralph interrogates Sour Bill. King Candy works because we get to see every bit of him, his backstory, how crafty, shrewd and ruthless he is, and the final reveal plus the Cybug transormation are the icing on the cake.

      2) No, Hans SUCKS. His backstory is only slightly referenced in the movie, and the novel "Frozen Heart" is just some pitiful overglorified fanfiction trying hard to make the reader feel pity for this pathetic twit. He hates his brothers so much ? Then why not try to get even on THEM instead and get the kingdom ?

      Second, I really beg to differ on his "genius" plan. All he did was doing absolutely nothing but being your Prince Charming token, twiddling his thumbs and pretending to be good, until at the last moment he went "LOL I'm evil, you die". That's like the LAZIEST evil plan ever. And he succeeded mainly because either everyone was useless and/or dumb, or because of plot convenience. Had he end up in a kingdom with a more stable situation, he wouldn't have been so lucky. Second, even without Olaf, anyone would've tried to sneak up into that room to see Anna's body.

      In the end, all he does is giving one-time shock value to the watcher because "OMG An opportunistic a-hole, like in real life !1!!". But that's it. He does nothing. He accomplishes nothing. He hurts nobody. His plan is lazy and one-note. He has no special powers, no strength, no minions, no real intelligence. His personality is bland as hell. All he had was sheer dumb luck and looking nice. That's it.

      4) I've already went pretty much in depth with how bad her plan is. I've made a thread about Zootopia where I talk more in depth about how flawed she is. While Hans is plain lazy, Bellwether has the potential for some devious plot, but she wastes it !!!

      And the fact that she lacks a decent backstory is no small detail, since from how the movie depicts her, it only make her look stupid and her plan overly complicated for nothing.

      "where does it show that she made all that because of Lionheart?"

      Simple. Just watch the scene where Judy and Nick ask her help to see the cameras. Everything points out towards the Mayor : she works in the basement, he mispronounce her name, he gave her mug with a barred out text, and she's always shown carrying insane amounts of sheets and documents for him. The predator hate is an excuse to hate on him, because her thinking goes like : the Mayor is an a*hole, the Mayor is a predator, all predators are evil.

      And I'm all for solving a case along with the movie..............But not when you pulled this stupid plot twist card for 3 times in a row already, each time worse than the other, AND when from the trailers and previews alone, it becomes clear as hell who the culprit is. So there goes the enjoyment of solving the case.

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    • Dan1394 wrote:
      Oh HELL NO !!! People have gotten tired of THAT trend alright, because these kind of villains are one-note wannabe misunderstood outcasts, whose plans are pitiful, along with their motivations, and their personalities are just as flat. And they became pretty predictable on their own.

      Even among fans of Zootopia, I've read many people disgruntled with Bellwether and with how Disn ey's been handling the villains recently.

      but do you like my goddess idea? :(

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    • @Carebearheart : LOL Of course ! :D

      I would love to see another evil deity, a bit of mix between Hades and Ursula.

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    • Maybe a Reincarnated Evil Spirt from the past could be the Villain in the movie. Or a Evil hunter who has plans of destroying the island,both of those ideas could make great villains.

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    • Dan1394 wrote:
      @Rouhad : 1) He's among my favorites (as you can see from my page), but still, the surprise was well done, because he might have been antagonistic, but you couldn't tell he was really evil until Ralph interrogates Sour Bill. King Candy works because we get to see every bit of him, his backstory, how crafty, shrewd and ruthless he is, and the final reveal plus the Cybug transormation are the icing on the cake.

      2) No, Hans SUCKS. His backstory is only slightly referenced in the movie, and the novel "Frozen Heart" is just some pitiful overglorified fanfiction trying hard to make the reader feel pity for this pathetic twit. He hates his brothers so much ? Then why not try to get even on THEM instead and get the kingdom ?

      Second, I really beg to differ on his "genius" plan. All he did was doing absolutely nothing but being your Prince Charming token, twiddling his thumbs and pretending to be good, until at the last moment he went "LOL I'm evil, you die". That's like the LAZIEST evil plan ever. And he succeeded mainly because either everyone was useless and/or dumb, or because of plot convenience. Had he end up in a kingdom with a more stable situation, he wouldn't have been so lucky. Second, even without Olaf, anyone would've tried to sneak up into that room to see Anna's body.

      In the end, all he does is giving one-time shock value to the watcher because "OMG An opportunistic a-hole, like in real life !1!!". But that's it. He does nothing. He accomplishes nothing. He hurts nobody. His plan is lazy and one-note. He has no special powers, no strength, no minions, no real intelligence. His personality is bland as hell. All he had was sheer dumb luck and looking nice. That's it.

      4) I've already went pretty much in depth with how bad her plan is. I've made a thread about Zootopia where I talk more in depth about how flawed she is. While Hans is plain lazy, Bellwether has the potential for some devious plot, but she wastes it !!!

      And the fact that she lacks a decent backstory is no small detail, since from how the movie depicts her, it only make her look stupid and her plan overly complicated for nothing.

      "where does it show that she made all that because of Lionheart?"

      Simple. Just watch the scene where Judy and Nick ask her help to see the cameras. Everything points out towards the Mayor : she works in the basement, he mispronounce her name, he gave her mug with a barred out text, and she's always shown carrying insane amounts of sheets and documents for him. The predator hate is an excuse to hate on him, because her thinking goes like : the Mayor is an a*hole, the Mayor is a predator, all predators are evil.

      And I'm all for solving a case along with the movie..............But not when you pulled this stupid plot twist card for 3 times in a row already, each time worse than the other, AND when from the trailers and previews alone, it becomes clear as hell who the culprit is. So there goes the enjoyment of solving the case.

      You kind of convinced me about her hate towards Lionheart sure, but that still doesn't mean other predators didn't abuse and mistreat Bellwether, with the mayor being no exception, as the one who mistreated her the most since she works with him. And after reading a lot of your arguments, I guess her plan, could have been way better (like when you said she could have darted the mayor, and terrify pouplation by unleashing the savage animals... ect). It has many flaws and could have been way more epic, and like you said, she wasted a terrific weapon, and missed many other points..

      In words, I don't think her plan is all that bad, it's just disappointing that it could have been way better. So I have to thank you for opening my eyes about her :) 

      But for Hans, I have to highly highly disagree. First, you said that he could have got revenge on his brothers.. it's not what he wanted, he didn't want revenge, he wanted to PROVE HIMSELF by ruling a kingdom, he wanted to show his family what he's capable of.

      At first, he wanted to marry Elsa, who was inaccessible even to her own sister, so he choosed Anna. His plan was simple, fooling the princess who was really naive (and frankly we couldn't blame her, seeing how she lived her childhood), marrying her then killing the queen to become king. He fooled a whole kingdom, how is that considered lazy.. Plus, Anna's dead body wouldn't be a problem, since he said that she died in his arms. Olaf was the only mistake that occured, without him, Anna would be dead, Elsa would be killed, summer is back, and he's ruler. Simple as ever. 

      Maybe, you think it's lazy, because you find it too simple, but he's indeed a genius. Without special powers or minions, just his charm. His weapon was gaining confidence.

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    • @Rouhad Sigh........And here I thought I said clearly not to move away from the thread -_-

      Oh well, since we're in this, let's procede.

      At least we can agree on Bellwether, except for the predators part, I still believe they should have shown anything stronger than just "Boo hoo, muh employer is evil". But other than that, we're cool.

      But on Hans, Nope.Avi .

      "it's not what he wanted, he didn't want revenge, he wanted to PROVE HIMSELF by ruling a kingdom, he wanted to show his family what he's capable of."

      Again, why go on something so complicated as going to another country, pretending to swoon over the princess or queen and then clip them to get the throne ?

      Why not simply fake an accident, like having them go on a ship and then sink it ?

      This just tells me how much of a spineless coward this brat really is.

      And again, all of that happened because of sheer plot convenience.

      He NEEDED a naive princess, he NEEDED an absent minded and useless court, he NEEDED an unstable Kingdom, and he needed the other characters to be absolutely pointless and gullible, even if he looked and acted convincing.

      This guy is not a Genius in the least. His plan is so linear and dumb that it could've breached at any moment, if it wasn't for plot convenience. And again, it's so stupid, because he didn't think through any possible back up for unexpected outcomes, unlike say, Jafar or Ursula.

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    • Dan and Rouhad, stop being rude to each other! Why don't you just respect each other's opinion instead of trying to oblige the other to believe it too!! You both are so rude!

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    • I agree! Think and use respectful comments, or you both will be out of the conversation!

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    • Frozenisthebest wrote:
      Dan and Rouhad, stop being rude to each other! Why don't you just respect each other's opinion instead of trying to oblige the other to believe it too!! You both are so rude!

      Wow, that's so rich, coming from the user who treats others' opinions as invalid, you're a laughable joke.. (Now I've been a little harsh, but you started it.)

      Disneyfan13010 wrote: I agree! 

      Um, I beg your pardon?! Dan & I were arguing in a respectful way, and no one has ever obliged the other to have the same point of view (Haven't you noticed the word 'in my opinion', well I suggest you both wearing glasses then). And can you explain how we'd be out of the conversation? We didn't curse or insult, admins couldn't block us. You clearly just agreed with her, for no real reason (check this conversation http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:692704 and read her messages simply).. I facepalmed so hard when I saw you two's replies honestly.. -_-



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    • Just making sure you two are staying buddies and I agree with you giving out your honest opinions which I respect yours truly.

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    • For honest reasons!

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    • Yeah, I don't see how we were being rude or resorting to insults :/

      We were only discussing our views, and that's all. Nobody called names the other or anything like that.

      I don't see why you guys even thought of that......

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    • As for staying buddies, everyone who likes Tangled is a friend of mine :D

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    • Loved Tangled even more! One of my favorites as always!

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    • Mother Gothel is one of my favorite villainesses in the WDAS films too. She's a mix of Grimhilde, Lady Tremaine, Ursula and Frollo altogether !

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    • Yeah, and she definitely murdered Flynn Rider before Flynn gets saved by Rapunzel's healing tear power.

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    • Dan1394 wrote:
      As for staying buddies, everyone who likes Tangled is a friend of mine :D

      Likewise, anyone who likes Tangled is a friend of mine too. ;)

      Anyways, back to the point, it's pretty obvious that the Lava Witch should be the villain in Moana.

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    • I don't think it will be a twist/surprise villain in this one.

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    • Thesuicidesquad wrote:
      I don't think it will be a twist/surprise villain in this one.

      yeah, I was getting extremely tired of that anyway

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    • I just wish we get a Disney Villain who is voiced by some of these actors: Brad Dourif, Michael Ironside, Danny Trejo, Neil Patrick Harris, Ron Perlman(I know he was already in villainous role in Tangled, but still) or Peter Stormare. All these have been voicing villains in their careers. Oh, and also, Robert Knepper. He's ALWAYS in a role that has questionable morality.

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    • Nifinland wrote:
      I just wish we get a Disney Villain who is voiced by some of these actors: Brad Dourif, Michael Ironside, Danny Trejo, Neil Patrick Harris, Ron Perlman(I know he was already in villainous role in Tangled, but still) or Peter Stormare. All these have been voicing villains in their careers.

      what about women?

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    • Carebearheart wrote:

      Nifinland wrote:
      I just wish we get a Disney Villain who is voiced by some of these actors: Brad Dourif, Michael Ironside, Danny Trejo, Neil Patrick Harris, Ron Perlman(I know he was already in villainous role in Tangled, but still) or Peter Stormare. All these have been voicing villains in their careers.

      what about women?

      I tryied to think of some actresses but I couldn't come up with any... oh my God, I just remembered Teri Hatcher's creepy performace as the Other Mother in Coraline. She should be voicing a Disney Villain too.

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    • Nifinland wrote:

      Carebearheart wrote:

      Nifinland wrote:
      I just wish we get a Disney Villain who is voiced by some of these actors: Brad Dourif, Michael Ironside, Danny Trejo, Neil Patrick Harris, Ron Perlman(I know he was already in villainous role in Tangled, but still) or Peter Stormare. All these have been voicing villains in their careers.

      what about women?

      I tryied to think of some actresses but I couldn't come up with any... oh my God, I just remembered Teri Hatcher's creepy performace as the Other Mother in Coraline. She should be voicing a Disney Villain too.

      Maybe Peter Dinklage will voice the villain.

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    • X-Men Apocalypse and Supernatural have done something that I never expected. Maybe they will kill the Lava Witch after all

      lol I just looked up the Angry Birds movie on wikipedia and Peter Dinklage was in it (and the previous X-Men), and I'm also watching Season 5 of Game of Thrones.

      If he does voice the next villain after Lava Witch, it wouldn't be the first time, there's Captain Gutt in Ice Age 4 (though it's not Disney)

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    • Nifinland wrote:
      I just wish we get a Disney Villain who is voiced by some of these actors: Brad Dourif, Michael Ironside, Danny Trejo, Neil Patrick Harris, Ron Perlman(I know he was already in villainous role in Tangled, but still) or Peter Stormare. All these have been voicing villains in their careers. Oh, and also, Robert Knepper. He's ALWAYS in a role that has questionable morality.

      What about Hugo Weaving? I recently saw the Matrix trilogy and, I've gotta say, Agent Smith is arguably one of the best movie villains of all time. Hugo Weaving's tremendous voice contributes to that. His cold, merciless and emotionless delivery of his lines makes me wanna see him as the next Disney Villain. He would be an awesome choice.

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    • Hell, check out this laugh. Can you imagine that from a Disney Villain?

      Agent Smith evil laugh from The Matrix Revolutions

      Agent Smith evil laugh from The Matrix Revolutions

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    • TRIMC 95 wrote:

      Nifinland wrote:
      I just wish we get a Disney Villain who is voiced by some of these actors: Brad Dourif, Michael Ironside, Danny Trejo, Neil Patrick Harris, Ron Perlman(I know he was already in villainous role in Tangled, but still) or Peter Stormare. All these have been voicing villains in their careers. Oh, and also, Robert Knepper. He's ALWAYS in a role that has questionable morality.

      What about Hugo Weaving? I recently saw the Matrix trilogy and, I've gotta say, Agent Smith is arguably one of the best movie villains of all time. Hugo Weaving's tremendous voice contributes to that. His cold, merciless and emotionless delivery of his lines makes me wanna see him as the next Disney Villain. He would be an awesome choice.

      Can't argue with that. I like his performances as the Red Skull and V so Weaving's casting as a Disney Villain would be more than memorable. Not to mention, that Agent Smith laugh. The evil laugh was part of the reason why I'd LOVE to hear Brad Dourif in a Disney movie.

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    • Nicky.correale wrote:

      Nifinland wrote:

      Carebearheart wrote:

      Nifinland wrote:
      I just wish we get a Disney Villain who is voiced by some of these actors: Brad Dourif, Michael Ironside, Danny Trejo, Neil Patrick Harris, Ron Perlman(I know he was already in villainous role in Tangled, but still) or Peter Stormare. All these have been voicing villains in their careers.

      what about women?

      I tryied to think of some actresses but I couldn't come up with any... oh my God, I just remembered Teri Hatcher's creepy performace as the Other Mother in Coraline. She should be voicing a Disney Villain too.

      Maybe Peter Dinklage will voice the villain.

      Because of his performance as Captain Gutt, I don't see why not. It'd be ironic and funny if he'd voice a human character that is bigger than the others around him.

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    • well based on polinesian mythology there are a lot of gods and demigods that can fullfil the role of the antagonist maybe Hine nui te po can be the villain here is an article of that dark goddess in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hine-nui-te-p%C5%8D

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    • Lin Manuel Miranda said he's making a song for a giant crab. and then in his social media account, he re-quotes that same quote while having a caption saying something about perfecting the song of a villain.

      So the villain could be a giant crab. Anyone expert in Polynesian culture please see if a giant crab is mentioned anywhere.

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    • DisneyJr wrote:
      Lin Manuel Miranda said he's making a song for a giant crab. and then in his social media account, he re-quotes that same quote while having a caption saying something about perfecting the song of a villain.

      So the villain could be a giant crab. Anyone expert in Polynesian culture please see if a giant crab is mentioned anywhere.

      I don't remember any giant crab in polinesian mithology

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    • Papermaniac wrote:

      DisneyJr wrote:
      Lin Manuel Miranda said he's making a song for a giant crab. and then in his social media account, he re-quotes that same quote while having a caption saying something about perfecting the song of a villain.

      So the villain could be a giant crab. Anyone expert in Polynesian culture please see if a giant crab is mentioned anywhere.

      I don't remember any giant crab in polinesian mithology

      I've seen a Giant Crab called a Karkinos in a video game called The Ocean Hunter

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    • Nicky.correale wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:


      DisneyJr wrote:
      Lin Manuel Miranda said he's making a song for a giant crab. and then in his social media account, he re-quotes that same quote while having a caption saying something about perfecting the song of a villain.

      So the villain could be a giant crab. Anyone expert in Polynesian culture please see if a giant crab is mentioned anywhere.

      I don't remember any giant crab in polinesian mithology
      I've seen a Giant Crab called a Karkinos in a video game called The Ocean Hunter

      Maybe that Karkinos is made up ( your source is a videogame), lets research more. Also " KArkinos" is the greek name of Cancer constellation so not, it does not correspond to polinesian mythology.

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    • Papermaniac wrote:

      Nicky.correale wrote:

      Papermaniac wrote:


      DisneyJr wrote:
      Lin Manuel Miranda said he's making a song for a giant crab. and then in his social media account, he re-quotes that same quote while having a caption saying something about perfecting the song of a villain.

      So the villain could be a giant crab. Anyone expert in Polynesian culture please see if a giant crab is mentioned anywhere.

      I don't remember any giant crab in polinesian mithology
      I've seen a Giant Crab called a Karkinos in a video game called The Ocean Hunter

      Maybe that Karkinos is made up ( your source is a videogame), lets research more. Also " KArkinos" is the greek name of Cancer constellation so not, it does not correspond to polinesian mythology.

      I agree with Papermaniac that "KArkinos" is a greek name and does not correspond to polinesian mythology.

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    • I  think we can all agree that we are sick of seeing Plot Twist Villains in Disney movies. As I am.  I can excuse Zootopia for it because it's a mystery movie and in a mystery the villain is supposed to be a plot twist.  If the villain was introduced early on there'd be no point at trying to solve the case. But like a lot of people I'm sick of seeing this cliché. 

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    • @Cenationfan1 : Pretty much this, except for the fact that Bellwether was such a sloppily written, underwhelming villain, and the trailers and previews pretty much showed every single obvious red herring, so the surprise was unearned.

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    • another possible villain could be Mafuike since in a Maui history he stole the fire from that goddess.

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    • The only way we could have a clear answer will be in October.  As according to Amazon. And the Barnes and Noble websites the Moana books don't get released until October 4th.  Which is 5 months away.  Seems so close yet so far. 

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    • October 4th... I'll try to remember that. (that's how I found out how Zootopia ended)

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      To be honest after Frozen I don't really know really know why we're sick of Plot Twist Villains I mean even before Frozen plot twist villains weren't exactly a new thing this could be traced back to Pinocchio. Even Gaston is sort of a "plot twist villain" because at first he seems like a typical good guy but it's revealed that he's the bad guy.  But with Gaston it's a lot easier to figure out as his eyebrows are slanted which was a standard look for a villain and in his first appearance in the film he's kinda of kept in shadow like Jafar was in Aladdin which came out after Beauty And The Beast.  
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    • Nicky.correale wrote:

      Nifinland wrote:

      Carebearheart wrote:

      Nifinland wrote:
      I just wish we get a Disney Villain who is voiced by some of these actors: Brad Dourif, Michael Ironside, Danny Trejo, Neil Patrick Harris, Ron Perlman(I know he was already in villainous role in Tangled, but still) or Peter Stormare. All these have been voicing villains in their careers.
      what about women?

      I tryied to think of some actresses but I couldn't come up with any... oh my God, I just remembered Teri Hatcher's creepy performace as the Other Mother in Coraline. She should be voicing a Disney Villain too.

      Maybe Peter Dinklage will voice the villain.

      I said women!

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      another possible villain could be Mafuike since in a Maui history he stole the fire from that goddess.

      actualy, her name is pronounced Mahuika.

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    • well in spanish is mafuike, sorry for the wrong translation

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      well based on polinesian mythology there are a lot of gods and demigods that can fullfil the role of the antagonist maybe Hine nui te po can be the villain here is an article of that dark goddess in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hine-nui-te-p%C5%8D

      If it's not too early, I made a picture of what I think Hine-nui-te-pō could look like in the movie.

      Hine-nui-te-pō


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    • Carebearheart wrote:
      Papermaniac wrote:
      well based on polinesian mythology there are a lot of gods and demigods that can fullfil the role of the antagonist maybe Hine nui te po can be the villain here is an article of that dark goddess in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hine-nui-te-p%C5%8D
      If it's not too early, I made a picture of what I think Hine-nui-te-pō could look like in the movie.
      Hine-nui-te-pō


      that Hine Nui Te Po looks sexy

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    • The villain should be a minor role who is unexpectedly the villain.

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    • The Jonie wrote:
      The villain should be a minor role who is unexpectedly the villain.

      No man  this plot of the unespected villain is geting kind of boring, the last movies of Disney had that plot

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    • How about Michael Masse being the voice for a Disney Villain!

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    • The Jonie wrote:
      The villain should be a minor role who is unexpectedly the villain.

      Forget it!


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    • Really? The lava witch is the villain? Bellwether was the villain of Zootopia.

      Bellweather-from-Zootopia

      She's the villain of Zootopia. Do we need another female villain?

      And now we get ANOTHER female villain...or VILLAINESS, if you wanna be technical. Which I do.

      And no, we are NOT having cat villains, like Si and Am...

      ...or the type of villain that's like 'Buster's trouble is Buster's trouble'...

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    • the lava witch can be be a female but made out of lava 

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    • Female lava...that still counts as a female, you know.

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    • The Jonie wrote:
      The villain should be a minor role who is unexpectedly the villain.

      Yeah, a minor and sole antagonist was the giant squid in Finding Dory...and Inside Out didn't really have a villain at all.

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    • because witches are females like winifred sanderson from hocus pocus 

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    • whoever the villain is, I believe she or he is the reason Moana's ancestors never finished their "quest".

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    • This just in!  It seems like a villain has been chosen! Now I don't know if he's the main villain but it's nice that we've learned who at least one of villains is!  His name is Tamatoa. He's voiced by Jemaine Clement. 

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    • Jemaine Clement ? Boris the Animal from MIB 3 ? YES !!!!!

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    • ^Tamatoa is confirmed to be an antagonist.

      Antagonist doesn't necessarily mean villain AND, even if he is one, it's not confirmed he's the main one.

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    • I feel like the Lava Witch is going to be the main villain, which I think is fantastic. Tamatoa is too comical to be the main villain imo, but then again, so was Yzma and Hades.

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    • Tamatoa sounds like a classic Disney villain. He has a song (confirmed by Lin Manuel Miranda) and he's definitely going to die! (I don't know why I'm so happy about this)

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    • Thesuicidesquad wrote:
      Tamatoa sounds like a classic Disney villain. He has a song (confirmed by Lin Manuel Miranda) and he's definitely going to die! (I don't know why I'm so happy about this)

      It's a nice return to the old villains, isn't it?

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    • @Royalreceiver : About freaking time !

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    • Cenationfan1 wrote: This just in!  It seems like a villain has been chosen! Now I don't know if he's the main villain but it's nice that we've learned who at least one of villains is!  His name is Tamatoa. He's voiced by Jemaine Clement. 

      I hope he's only the secondary villain.

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    • I actually hope he's the main villain I really don't want another plot twist villain!  So that's why I hope he's our main villain.  

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    • Thesuicidesquad wrote:
      Tamatoa sounds like a classic Disney villain. He has a song (confirmed by Lin Manuel Miranda) and he's definitely going to die! (I don't know why I'm so happy about this)

      How do you know he's going to die? If he's the main villain, he's sure to survive. Ironically My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic unambiguously killed a villain for the first time eight days after Disney's last (King Candy). The book will be released three days after MLP's movie, Legend of Everfree, and I'll check up on it to see, it had Bellwether and Yokai's defeats accurate.

      And I think he is the main villain, because he has Maui's magical fish hook, which gives him incredible power and could be behind everything that happened all those years ago, as well as Maui's part in his quest with Moana seems to be to get the hook back.

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    • Cenationfan1 wrote:
      I actually hope he's the main villain I really don't want another plot twist villain!  So that's why I hope he's our main villain.  

      and I don't want another male main villain in a disney princess movie!

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    • Royalreceiver wrote:
      The villain/main antagonist is probably the reason why Moana's family stopped navigating, bringing Moana to her quest in the first place.

      Angry brother?

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    • Royalreceiver wrote:
      The villain/main antagonist is probably the reason why Moana's family stopped navigating, bringing Moana to her quest in the first place.

      agree i do

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    • It's a nice return to the old villains, isn't it? It's not just nice. It’s PERFECT!

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    • Thesuicidesquad wrote: It's a nice return to the old villains, isn't it? It's not just nice. It’s PERFECT!

      Yeah I hope so. 'Cause Tamatoa isn't confirmed to be the main villain. We just know that he's an antagonist.

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    • Rouhad wrote:

      Thesuicidesquad wrote: It's a nice return to the old villains, isn't it? It's not just nice. It’s PERFECT!

      Yeah I hope so. 'Cause Tamatoa isn't confirmed to be the main villain. We just know that he's an antagonist.

      Looking at the Kakamora, Tamatoa being the main villain seems likely.

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    • Thesuicidesquad wrote: It's a nice return to the old villains, isn't it? It's not just nice. It’s PERFECT!

      Yeah. It feels like, phew! finally! I hope they can do the same in Frozen 2

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    • Royalreceiver wrote:

      Rouhad wrote:

      Thesuicidesquad wrote: It's a nice return to the old villains, isn't it? It's not just nice. It’s PERFECT!

      Yeah I hope so. 'Cause Tamatoa isn't confirmed to be the main villain. We just know that he's an antagonist.

      Looking at the Kakamora, Tamatoa being the main villain seems likely.

      I rather see him as a secondary villain. But all we know now is that he's an antagonist. Antagonist doesn't always mean villain.

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    • @Thesuicidesquad How do you know Tamatoa's going to die? Do you have connections with the filmmakers (in which case, aren't you supposed to keep stuff they tell you secret)? Did the ending get leaked somewhere? Or did you think you saw it in a trailer?

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    • Is the new vilain in the newest Moana sneak-peek the Lava Witch herself? I can't recognize her

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    • Rouhad wrote:
      Is the new vilain in the newest Moana sneak-peek the Lava Witch herself? I can't recognize her

      if so, maybe disney will sastify us with her death

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    • So wait, is the main villain going to be Tamatoa or the lava witch?

      And people would actually be satisfied with killing whoever the villain of Moana is? No one wanted to believe Chrysalis or Sombra were dead on MLP (though there are rumors that Chrysalis is coming back in the Season 6 final), or the Deadly Six in Sonic Lost World, etc., which led me to believe that everyone except me wanted all villains to survive except Joffrey and Ramsay Bolton in Game of Thrones.

      I'd say that was a factor in Disney's decision to not do that anymore, aside from the fact that they recently killed a good character who was extremely popular

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    • @KillRoy231 "No one wanted to believe (...) the Deadly Six in Sonic Lost World (were dead)"


      NOOOOOOOOOOOOO PLEASE !!!! LET THOSE GOD-ATROCIOUS KOOPALINGS RIP-OFFS BE DEAD AND FORGOTTEN AS THEY F**KING DESERVE !!!! Worst villains in Sonic history ever, and atrocious story that game had (along with the gameplay).

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      So wait, is the main villain going to be Tamatoa or the lava witch?

      And people would actually be satisfied with killing whoever the villain of Moana is? No one wanted to believe Chrysalis or Sombra were dead on MLP (though there are rumors that Chrysalis is coming back in the Season 6 final), or the Deadly Six in Sonic Lost World, etc., which led me to believe that everyone except me wanted all villains to survive except Joffrey and Ramsay Bolton in Game of Thrones.

      I'd say that was a factor in Disney's decision to not do that anymore, aside from the fact that they recently killed a good character who was extremely popular

      well they're have to kill one of the villains again in a future film eventually >:(

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    • Unless they've opted out of it forever as Supernatural has (there was one death after Season 9 but he'd reformed by then so he doesn't count). Not Star Trek or X-Men though

      But seriously, three films in a row suggests a pattern. Either way it's good to find someone else who would be satisfied if they did

      @Dan I thought they were good villains and it was a decent game, but at the same time can be satisfied with their deaths and love playing their final levels, especially sending Zor falling into the lava because you just don't get enough lava death scenes (in Disney there is Frollo and King Candy)

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    • @Dan I thought they were good villains and it was a decent game, but at the same time can be satisfied with their deaths and love playing their final levels, especially sending Zor falling into the lava because you just don't get enough lava death scenes (in Disney there is Frollo and King Candy)

      I really beg to differ. The Deadly Six are like the most generic, stereotypical, unoriginal, one-dimensional laziest excuses for villains. And not just in Sonic, but in pretty much every media. Generic evil leader, generic fat guy who's Always hungry, generic vain bimbo, generic Asian old guy, generic crazy guy and generic emo. No backstory, no origins, no explanation on what even they are supposed to be or where they come from, their "plan" is all over the place, if you can call it a plan, that is. How are they good villains ? Even SEGA decided to forget them with the new 2017 Sonic game. And please, don't even compare them to Frollo or Turbo, I take that almost as an offense to them.

      I suggest you to watch this instead :
      Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 - Mephiles' Story

      Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 - Mephiles' Story

      Great villain, good backstory, actual tension between him and Shadow, instead of unfunny bored dudebro smack talk between a stupid douchebag who is supposed to be the "hero" and the poor excuse of a "villain".

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    • Well at least the Deadly Six each have their own individual personalities, which you basically described. They were interesting in their own way and I feel one game with them was good enough.

      Also, Sega didn't "forget" them with Sonic Mania; it's kinda hard to put them in another canon game when they're dead. Zazz and Zavok did appear in Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympics Games, but restricted to one event each.

      We're getting kinda off-topic here: I mentioned them because people apparently want the villains to survive so much they convince themselves, and try to convince others, that they survived somehow.

      • Expanded Universe of Star Wars (which is created by fans and is now officially non-canon due to the sequel trilogy) said basically every single villain that died in the films survived, with the exception of Darth Vader (who reformed and is a ghost), and Commander Jerjerrod for some reason. Well, I haven't read whether it said Dooku survived decapitation, or Jabba survived strangulation and then his Sail Barge exploding, but I bet it did.
      • Also IDW is run by fans of the shows, and they have it so that every villain who died in the show survived (like Terrorsaur, Scorponok, Tarantulas, Chrysalis, and Sombra, though with him they had to bring him back as a ghost and revive him).
      • People said Fawful was "mysteriously absent" from Mario & Luigi: Dream Team and called Chuck Cunningham Syndrome, when it's obvious that his absence is due to the fact that he died at the end of Bowser's Inside Story. People think Tatanga is still alive too. And Metal Sonic, and Ultron (though I can understand that one), and Red Skull, and Ogron, Anagan, and Gantlos, and Gregor Clegane (who is a zombie now), and the aforementioned Chrysalis and Sombra. There's also speculation of The Other's revival.

      So it comes as quite a pleasant surprise to me when people actually consider any villain death that isn't Joffrey or Ramsay satisfying.

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    • "Well at least the Deadly Six each have their own individual personalities, which you basically described. They were interesting in their own way and I feel one game with them was good enough."

      That's the sorriest argument in defence of both them and the game they come from I've ever read.

      If you can even call it an argument, that is....

      Also, need I remind you that I wasn't talking about Sonic Mania, but the 2017 game. Also, the Olympics game's appearance was rather mandatory marketing than fan-service, as pretty much EVERYONE hated the D6.

      You should've picked a better example than them, since they don't even fall into a lava pit, they just scream their lame "last famous words" to show how one-dimensional and pathetic they are, then they simply vanish in a puff.

      Getting back to the topic, I don't think Taumatoa will die. Just a humiliating denuement.

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    • First, I thought the 2017 game was Sonic Mania. Because I read that game is coming out Q1 2017

      Second, I do not believe Rio 2016 had fanservice in mind because they threw away a lot of potential, restricting all newcomers to one event each. I was so looking forward to playing as Eggman Nega (who was only on Long Jump, and only in the 3DS version), and using Tails, Blaze, Espio, and Wave on the same team in a 4-player event, and furthermore it sounds like there are no Dream Events in this game.

      Third, if you hate the Deadly Six so much, that's your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that, but the Deadly Six must have had some fanbase, otherwise their deaths would have been as satisfying as Joffrey's and Ramsay's. Though, to counter this, people hated King Sombra as well and also wanted him to survive, which makes no sense.

      Fourth, I picked the example because people argued hard that they survived based on Eggman saying he'd control them again (when he was working on his final mech during the Deadly Six's deaths and couldn't have known how the battle ended, probably assuming they survived just like the last two times, like in Soul Eater how Giriko plans to kill Arachne and is surprised when Justin Long tells him she's already dead).

      Fifth, the first four did vanish in a puff of smoke, but Zor and Zavok fell into lava, Zor from Sonic hitting a switch, and Zavok from Sonic hitting explosive blocks at him, and both got their final words as they fell (Zor: I long for death's cold embrace).

      Sixth, I agree that Tamatoa will most likely survive, because Disney spared three villains in a row which means they have a new style.

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      First, I thought the 2017 game was Sonic Mania. Because I read that game is coming out Q1 2017

      Second, I do not believe Rio 2016 had fanservice in mind because they threw away a lot of potential, restricting all newcomers to one event each. I was so looking forward to playing as Eggman Nega (who was only on Long Jump, and only in the 3DS version), and using Tails, Blaze, Espio, and Wave on the same team in a 4-player event, and furthermore it sounds like there are no Dream Events in this game.

      Third, if you hate the Deadly Six so much, that's your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that, but the Deadly Six must have had some fanbase, otherwise their deaths would have been as satisfying as Joffrey's and Ramsay's. Though, to counter this, people hated King Sombra as well and also wanted him to survive, which makes no sense.

      Fourth, I picked the example because people argued hard that they survived based on Eggman saying he'd control them again (when he was working on his final mech during the Deadly Six's deaths and couldn't have known how the battle ended, probably assuming they survived just like the last two times, like in Soul Eater how Giriko plans to kill Arachne and is surprised when Justin Long tells him she's already dead).

      Fifth, the first four did vanish in a puff of smoke, but Zor and Zavok fell into lava, Zor from Sonic hitting a switch, and Zavok from Sonic hitting explosive blocks at him, and both got their final words as they fell (Zor: I long for death's cold embrace).

      Sixth, I agree that Tamatoa will most likely survive, because Disney spared three villains in a row which means they have a new style.


      Yeah, but Thunderclap ended up dying!

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    • Then Pixar doesn't count, and neither does TV series (unfortunately for Toffee and Bill Cipher), must be a Disney Animated Canon thing

      Edit: And Peter Sohn said Thunderclap survived

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    • Out of no thought what so ever an evil sorceress

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    • @KillRoy231 : "First, I thought the 2017 game was Sonic Mania. Because I read that game is coming out Q1 2017"

      I don't know if you live under a rock (no offense), but the big 2017 game is this one :
      Project Sonic 2017 Debut Trailer

      Project Sonic 2017 Debut Trailer

      Mania is just a niche game for Classic fans (as if they haven't been pandered to for the past 6 years).

      On the Olympics game, they are simply trash. They are a giant middle finger to people who want to play as other Sonic characters, but instead of getting to play as them in a main series game, all they got are some awkward Olympics event......Besides, the Olympic games series is just done for. It has lost any possible appeal it had.

      "Third, if you hate the Deadly Six so much, that's your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that, but the Deadly Six must have had some fanbase, otherwise their deaths would have been as satisfying as Joffrey's and Ramsay's. Though, to counter this, people hated King Sombra as well and also wanted him to survive, which makes no sense."

      My opinion based on evidence and comparison. They are horribly written, they don't have a background, they are as shallow as Teletubbies, they look idiotic and they are not threatening in the least. I even showed you an example of a much better villain before.

      As for the "Their demise wasn't satisfying because they had some fanbase and they have to be brought back", it's like saying that Lady Tremaine wasn't killed and never had a satisfying demise in any of the Cinderella movies because "she has some fanbase". That's an absurd assumption, since both her and the Undeadly Cardboards are universally hated. For different reasons, mind you, but still they have no reasons to be brought back.

      "Fourth, I picked the example because people argued hard that they survived based on Eggman saying he'd control them again"

      On this last part, I will simply say that there's a huge gap between what was shown on cutscenes and actual gameplay, so whatever Eggman said is meaningless, since it can be countered by a completely different outcome during the actual game. Botched storytelling + incoherence between cutscenes and gameplay = a complete mess.

      "and both got their final words as they fell (Zor: I long for death's cold embrace)."

      Remember what Shakespeare said in Rome and Juliet ? "What's in a word ?"

      It's the actual meaning that counts, not the cheap knee jerk shock effect of how "gruesome" or "edgy" that phrase may sound. "You're going home in a box" is just as meaningless as a threat when it comes from some idiotic looking punk who actually runs away from you carrying a......deformed lemon with a mean face.....God, the more I remember this game, the more hideous it gets....

      Anyway, end of the Sonic parenthesis. Never bring it up again, please.

      "Sixth, I agree that Tamatoa will most likely survive, because Disney spared three villains in a row which means they have a new style."

      That's a really silly logic, if you ask me. Much like the one about "being brought back due to small fanbase" lol. But whatever.....

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    • Dan1394 wrote:
      @KillRoy231 : "First, I thought the 2017 game was Sonic Mania. Because I read that game is coming out Q1 2017" I don't know if you live under a rock (no offense), but the big 2017 game is this one :
      Project Sonic 2017 Debut Trailer

      Project Sonic 2017 Debut Trailer

      Mania is just a niche game for Classic fans (as if they haven't been pandered to for the past 6 years).

      On the Olympics game, they are simply trash. They are a giant middle finger to people who want to play as other Sonic characters, but instead of getting to play as them in a main series game, all they got are some awkward Olympics event......Besides, the Olympic games series is just done for. It has lost any possible appeal it had.

      "Third, if you hate the Deadly Six so much, that's your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that, but the Deadly Six must have had some fanbase, otherwise their deaths would have been as satisfying as Joffrey's and Ramsay's. Though, to counter this, people hated King Sombra as well and also wanted him to survive, which makes no sense."

      My opinion based on evidence and comparison. They are horribly written, they don't have a background, they are as shallow as Teletubbies, they look idiotic and they are not threatening in the least. I even showed you an example of a much better villain before.

      As for the "Their demise wasn't satisfying because they had some fanbase and they have to be brought back", it's like saying that Lady Tremaine wasn't killed and never had a satisfying demise in any of the Cinderella movies because "she has some fanbase". That's an absurd assumption, since both her and the Undeadly Cardboards are universally hated. For different reasons, mind you, but still they have no reasons to be brought back.

      "Fourth, I picked the example because people argued hard that they survived based on Eggman saying he'd control them again"

      On this last part, I will simply say that there's a huge gap between what was shown on cutscenes and actual gameplay, so whatever Eggman said is meaningless, since it can be countered by a completely different outcome during the actual game. Botched storytelling + incoherence between cutscenes and gameplay = a complete mess.

      "and both got their final words as they fell (Zor: I long for death's cold embrace)."

      Remember what Shakespeare said in Rome and Juliet ? "What's in a word ?"

      It's the actual meaning that counts, not the cheap knee jerk shock effect of how "gruesome" or "edgy" that phrase may sound. "You're going home in a box" is just as meaningless as a threat when it comes from some idiotic looking punk who actually runs away from you carrying a......deformed lemon with a mean face.....God, the more I remember this game, the more hideous it gets....

      Anyway, end of the Sonic parenthesis. Never bring it up again, please.

      "Sixth, I agree that Tamatoa will most likely survive, because Disney spared three villains in a row which means they have a new style."

      That's a really silly logic, if you ask me. Much like the one about "being brought back due to small fanbase" lol. But whatever.....

      So Im just askng but is there an answer in there based on the question or is it just alot of topics thrown into one opinion?

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    • @King Ouroboros : It's multiple points answered, simple as that. TL;DR : Please, do not bring up Sonic ever again.

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    • Just for the record, I'm also a huge of Sonic and there is a theatrical movie of him coming soon, possibly in 2018. This game trailer that I just saw, totally reminded me of the 06 game. A game that has the same title of the 1991 game and that has become the worst game that Sega had made, has to have a second chance to be remade and make it something great and make a movie out of it

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    • Coolio

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    • If none of saw the new tv spot, watch it! cause I think we just got a clue of the main villain. 

      Moana Lava Villain

      You might want to reconsider the lava witch rumors

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    • Not necessarily. There is also the gigantic wicked crab named Tamatoa. I think he will the bad guy. This lava monster may just be a minor villain

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    • Disney likes to hidden the main antagonist, bellwether yokai hans

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    • Well if this whole exchange proves anything, it's that people even want the "lame" villains to survive (though Dan doesn't based on his first comment)

      But back to the main topic: So is the Lava Witch the main villain, is she working for Tamatoa, or is she like the secondary antagonist encountered in the middle of their journey who has nothing to do with him? (like Kaa for instance) Because based on what I know it sounds like it'll be Tamatoa, but the Lava Witch looks more menacing

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    • Yeah I saw that and yeah I think its supposed to be an evil which capable of harnessing the powers of nature

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    • Skinhin327 wrote:
      Disney likes to hidden the main antagonist, bellwether yokai hans


      you better be wrong!

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    • 702085 wrote:
      Not necessarily. There is also the gigantic wicked crab named Tamatoa. I think he will the bad guy. This lava monster may just be a minor villain

      I say he's going to be a cover up for the real villain (the lava witch from that picture!) so GIVE UP!

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      Well if this whole exchange proves anything, it's that people even want the "lame" villains to survive (though Dan doesn't based on his first comment)

      But back to the main topic: So is the Lava Witch the main villain, is she working for Tamatoa, or is she like the secondary antagonist encountered in the middle of their journey who has nothing to do with him? (like Kaa for instance) Because based on what I know it sounds like it'll be Tamatoa, but the Lava Witch looks more menacing

      I'm actually thinking Tamatoa is working for her!

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    • Could be

      One thing's for sure - The villain will either be Tamatoa, the lava witch, or yet another surprise villain

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    • Anyone ever think maybe this witch character isnt important or even a villain and maybe shes just a minor person maybe dying an actiony death or it could be a conjuring of something? Just and idea to toss around

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    • Or doesn't anybody stop to think that this Lava Witch may be actually Moana's grandmother, Gramma Tala? Because what we know so far is that Moana's grandmother dies and who knows if this Lava Witch is her reincarnation form

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    • 702085 wrote:
      Or doesn't anybody stop to think that this Lava Witch may be actually Moana's grandmother, Gramma Tala? Because what we know so far is that Moana's grandmother dies and who knows if this Lava Witch is her reincarnation form

      See these are the questions we have to ask even if they are completely of base its good to stop and think about it. Disney often will show you what they want you to think and sometimes we are right but as of recent Disney has been hush hush about trailers and spoilers and stuff so their might be a good chance that they are reeling us in for a shocking twist.

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    • well it is confirmed the  main villain will be a monster crab called " Tamatoa" so the discussion is over.

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    • yeah might want to open one saying "who will be the secondary antagonists in upcoming disney movies" ;)

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    • Papermaniac wrote:
      well it is confirmed the  main villain will be a monster crab called " Tamatoa" so the discussion is over.

      GET OUT OF HERE PSYCHO!

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    • King Ouroboros wrote:
      Anyone ever think maybe this witch character isnt important or even a villain and maybe shes just a minor person maybe dying an actiony death or it could be a conjuring of something? Just and idea to toss around

      Maui said "ever fight a lava monster?" or something like that, so it is some sort of volcanic witch

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    • but that doesnt mean its evil it could just be a conjuering of some sorts doing what its told by and evil witch

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    • 702085 wrote:
      Or doesn't anybody stop to think that this Lava Witch may be actually Moana's grandmother, Gramma Tala? Because what we know so far is that Moana's grandmother dies and who knows if this Lava Witch is her reincarnation form

      too creepy!

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    • Maybe MahuikaIS the lava witch! I mean when you look at the picture up there the flames come from her fingers like in the myth.

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    • Carebearheart what's gotten into you lately? You were never like this!

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      @Thesuicidesquad How do you know Tamatoa's going to die? Do you have connections with the filmmakers (in which case, aren't you supposed to keep stuff they tell you secret)? Did the ending get leaked somewhere? Or did you think you saw it in a trailer?

      Of course I don't know that or have connections with the filmmakers, but he will most likely die, like most classic Disney villains (Maleficent, Evil Queen, King Candy etc.) I would be surprised if he doesn't die. He has even a song!

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    • Have you seen Frozen, Big Hero 6, or Zootopia?

      Classic Disney villains used to die, especially Disney Princess villains. Hans is now the third Disney Princess villain to survive, out of 12 (The Evil Queen, Maleficent, Ursula, Gaston, Jafar, Shan Yu, Facilier, Mother Gothel, and Mor'du are dead while Lady Tremaine, Governor Ratcliffe, and Hans live), but they don't seem to be going for that anymore.

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    • KillRoy231 wrote: Have you seen Frozen, Big Hero 6, or Zootopia?

      Classic Disney villains used to die, especially Disney Princess villains. Hans is now the third Disney Princess villain to survive, out of 12 (The Evil Queen, Maleficent, Ursula, Gaston, Jafar, Shan Yu, Facilier, Mother Gothel, and Mor'du are dead while Lady Tremaine, Governor Ratcliffe, and Hans live), but they don't seem to be going for that anymore.

      I hope the new Classic Disney Villain in Frozen 2 dies

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    • 702085 wrote:

      KillRoy231 wrote: Have you seen Frozen, Big Hero 6, or Zootopia?

      Classic Disney villains used to die, especially Disney Princess villains. Hans is now the third Disney Princess villain to survive, out of 12 (The Evil Queen, Maleficent, Ursula, Gaston, Jafar, Shan Yu, Facilier, Mother Gothel, and Mor'du are dead while Lady Tremaine, Governor Ratcliffe, and Hans live), but they don't seem to be going for that anymore.

      I hope the new Classic Disney Villain in Frozen 2 dies

      I agree with you

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    • 702085 wrote:
      Carebearheart what's gotten into you lately? You were never like this!


      I'm tired of everybody trying to disagree with me! Eversince Tangled, I've wanted another female main villain in a Disney Princess movie, and none of you are agreeing with me about it!

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    • Carebearheart wrote:
      702085 wrote:
      Carebearheart what's gotten into you lately? You were never like this!

      I'm tired of everybody trying to disagree with me! Eversince Tangled, I've wanted another female main villain in a Disney Princess movie, and none of you are agreeing with me about it!

      Another female villain/antagonist wouldnt be bad but for what movie

      Speaking of sometime in the future The Little Mermaid Live-action could be coming out there is no known date but people have been speculating... Soooooooo Ursula?...

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    • Also there is a  difference between a villain and an antagonist. I had this long in depth "message" but that got deleted I think so in short a villain is magic related and an antagonist is evil but is limited to human/animal capability also antagonists can abuse magic but only for a certain extent thus making them not a "villain"

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    • Carebearheart wrote:

      702085 wrote:
      Carebearheart what's gotten into you lately? You were never like this!


      I'm tired of everybody trying to disagree with me! Eversince Tangled, I've wanted another female main villain in a Disney Princess movie, and none of you are agreeing with me about it!

      Why didn't you said that in the first place? Look, I'm sorry and I agree with you on that and I was too hoping for a female villain to be in a Disney movie someday. Especially in a Pixar movie. Let's just wait and see if we get either the Lava Witch or Tamatoa. But I assure you that I never hoped for Tamatoa to be the villain, I was just reminding them that he is also in the category of villains.

      But at least we got Bellwether from Zootopia (despite her being a surprise villain)

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    • Carebearheart wrote:
      702085 wrote:
      Carebearheart what's gotten into you lately? You were never like this!

      I'm tired of everybody trying to disagree with me! Eversince Tangled, I've wanted another female main villain in a Disney Princess movie, and none of you are agreeing with me about it!

      We don't mean anything by it. Maybe the villain will be Lava Witch, maybe it will be Tamatoa. If we think it'll be Tamatoa, or even if we want another male villain, that's just our opinions. I don't care whether the villain is male or female, but we respect your opinion here (or at least I do).

      Though I can understand how frustrating it is for no one else to share the same powerful opinion as you. Like I'm the only one in the world who likes it when the villain dies (unless it's Joffrey or Ramsay in Game of Thrones)

      And if it makes you feel any better, though I think it has a higher chance of being Tamatoa, with the lava witch being a minor antagonist, I'd prefer if it was the lava witch

      @King Also, "villain" means evil, "antagonist" means against the protagonist. An antagonist is often evil but not limited to villains.

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:
      Carebearheart wrote:
      702085 wrote:
      Carebearheart what's gotten into you lately? You were never like this!

      I'm tired of everybody trying to disagree with me! Eversince Tangled, I've wanted another female main villain in a Disney Princess movie, and none of you are agreeing with me about it!
      We don't mean anything by it. Maybe the villain will be Lava Witch, maybe it will be Tamatoa. If we think it'll be Tamatoa, or even if we want another male villain, that's just our opinions. I don't care whether the villain is male or female, but we respect your opinion here (or at least I do).

      Though I can understand how frustrating it is for no one else to share the same powerful opinion as you. Like I'm the only one in the world who likes it when the villain dies (unless it's Joffrey or Ramsay in Game of Thrones)

      @King Also, "villain" means evil, "antagonist" means against the protagonist. An antagonist is often evil but not limited to villains.

      • Talking in context* ;)
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