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  • At the end of the original Lion King film, Simba and Nala had a son. At at the beginning of the sequel film Simba's Pride, Timon and Pumbaa are excited that Simba and Nala have a son. However when Rafiki informs them that they instead have a daughter named Kiara, they become disappointed. As it turns out the people working on Simba's Pride were unaware that Simba and Nala had a son named Kopa as shown in The Lion King: Six New Adventures books collection. I have absolutely nothing against Kiara since she is the daughter of the most praised hero of the franchise but, I'd just like to know,.......would Simba's Pride have been a better film if it had Kopa as the main character?

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    Simba and Kopa on the cover of The Lion King: Six New Adventures book collection.

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    • The film's scenes of courage would have been clearer if Kopa was still included.

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    • As in him taking on anything in his path as well as meeting Vitani and developing a relationship together despite the ongoing feud between The Pride Lands and the Outlands?

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    • Kopa showing courage to face Vitani as you say or keep Nuka out of the Pride Lands, protecting Kiara from characters like if it was her and Kovu both seen along with Kopa in the crocodile scene and making a promise Zira didn't know about and becoming friends. Kopa has a nice enough description to make scenes of peace clearer because of what he could have done to defend Vitani Kovu Kiara himself or whatever Pride Lander he was best friends with. Plus Kopa could have been the character supporting Kiara when Simba was quite grumpy.

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    • Really? I thought they would've had like a sibling rivalry going on.

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    • Kopa could have had quotes such hey Nuka leave my sister Kiara be! or Father, Kiara just wants real practice for defense and hunting let her have it. or Even Quotes Mom Kiara's out in a fire I must go save her, or Okay Kovu we've got now let's take Kiara home safely thanks for helping, and Hey Vitani how ye doing. 



      How willful Simba talks easily confuses peope.

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    • Really?

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    • Well I liked Mufasa better than Simba and like you speaking of Kopa I would have liked it they showed Nala's brother Mheetu in the first movie. You can ask Fede this question he respected my thoughts of the jackals in the Lion Guard series. But Simba should sometimes listen to the advice of Mufasa, Rafiki, Nala, Kiara, Zazu, or even Kovu's apologies of trouble his mom caused. Simba's willful speech is frequent, his willful speech is part what's caused so many Outlanders to be disliked at much higher percentage than the uneasy Pride Landers with how many fans get quite confused. Simba's not steady when he's judging. Plus there's no question to the fact that no one knows everything, but that's Simba's usual way of talking. 



      Kopa could have had fun scenes with Mheetu if the two males were included. Mheetu likely would have enjoyed moments with Kopa like Muafa enjoyed at least trying to teach Simba plus how well Mufasa enjoyed Rafiki during his own childhood. Mheetu and Kopa could have shown scenes like Simba's scenes with Timon and Pumbaa, especially since Mheetu would have been a lion older than Kopa, mainly protecting him while having fun. Joy and Loyalty wouldn't be the question with males Mheetu Kopa and Kovu, the question would be how well Simba would tolerate the trio of them. But when reading description and how social females treat the males they sure would have respected the Lionesses, they'd just have be careful when Zira was standing close. Zira's more trouble than Simba.

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    • But Mufasa's his father.

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    • Also Standing up for someone is diferent from when you're just willful enough to frequently argue about how others do stuff. Simba fears animals who'd never break the code such as the aardwolf, he doesn't respect what variety of food the omnivores could eat that would include the strange diet Pumbaa could eat. 

      Mufasa stood when harm was the doubtlessly the consequence Simba doesn't care, even if you're nice he won't welcome you if you live in the Outlands, Not Yet. Mufasa wasn't picky about where another animal lived he treated everyone considerately, he'd welcome anyone who clearly showed kindness, but Simba's not a patient king, when judging a stranger Simba does it in a rush. Simba doesn't wait long enough to split trickery from support for those you care about, he doesn't even check what's true about another animals habits or personality when facing a stranger he's scared of he gains anger instead of trying to clarify. Giving a close stranger no chance to explain stuff that's quite impolite. Simba disrespects Omnivores enough that the herds have overpopulated  (when judging the scientific way) Mufasa wisely looks at nature's balance, Simba mainly looks at his wishes, even when the stranger quickly tries to reason with him.

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    • That may be so, but the reason he was like that was because of the tragedy that he endured in the original film. 

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    • I know I just wish Simba trusted his father Mufasa instead of letting his uncle convince him. I wish Simba would be respect characters like the jackals, aardwolves, and even Jasiri, plus those like Kovu.

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    • Yeah, well...he was young. How was he supposed to know that he was manipulated into becoming a pawn in his scheme to do away with him (Mufasa)?

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    • Simba could have been luckily rescued if whoever formed the film had included Bhati the bat-eared fox and Mheetu Nala's brother, they're two who could run up to help Simba against the hyena together, they would have escaped well with Bhati's quick reactions. 

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    • Would they have warned him that his uncle tricked him into helping orchestrate his father's death?

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    • There wouldn't have been a cheesy romance story to it if Kopa was the main character instead of Kiara.

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    • What if he met Vitani?

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    • Kiara would be watchful wanting Kopa to be careful, Bhati would have shared advice about solution or what he could try to do near Vitani, and Kovu would have watched what his sister did to Kopa but he would have stood up for his sister if Kopa was confused or if his mom Zira was angry enough to cause an argument between the two prides, Nuka would still be the jealous one. I'm sure Mheetu would talk to the young cubs like Mufasa spoke to Simba trying to help them see what was currently going on so decision would be a bit easier for each.

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    • But what if Simba knew about it? What would he have done?

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    • Simba still didn't patiently wait to let Kovu explain that he wasn't mean like his mothter that's the sign of his rude impatience when speaking of how he disrespected Kovu.

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    • But he didn't know.

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    • He's doesn't like new lessons that's Simba real problem.

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    • But he had no idea what Kovu's intentions were. He thought that Kiara was in danger because she was near a member of the Outlands.

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    • Simba wouldn't have shown poor Kovu any kindness later if his duaghter could talk him into it at all but she luckily had enough skill to do so and save her friends, Simba didn't want to believe Kovu. Kiara and Kovu were forced to prove the truth of their real friendship together because of how fussy Simba reacts.

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    • He didn't believe Kovu because he didn't want to take the chance that he would be lying. In the original film, his uncle tricked him leading his father to a stampede which resulted in death. He didn't want Kiara to risk being tricked by Kovu into endangering the lives of the creatures that live in the Pride Lands.

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    • MysticCanines'Heroine732 wrote:
      Simba wouldn't have shown poor Kovu any kindness later if his duaghter could talk him into it at all but she luckily had enough skill to do so and save her friends, Simba didn't want to believe Kovu. Kiara and Kovu were forced to prove the truth of their real friendship together because of how fussy Simba reacts.

      When Kopa is gone, Simba and Nala have replaced with a daughter from The Lion King 2 - Simba's pride: a female lioness cub called Kiara, because she will meet Kovu, Scar and Zira's son.

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    • JustMeJordanW wrote:
      He didn't believe Kovu because he didn't want to take the chance that he would be lying. In the original film, his uncle tricked him leading his father to a stampede which resulted in death. He didn't want Kiara to risk being tricked by Kovu into endangering the lives of the creatures that live in the Pride Lands.

      What a pity!

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    • Kopa isn't canon.

      In 1995, a year after the books were released, the directors, Roger Allens, and Rob Minkoff, in their commentary tract, described the cub at the end of the first film as Fluffy, which is a placeholder name. Since this tract was released AFTER the books came out, in which Kopa was already established, then this confirms that Disney denied Kopa from their canon and went with a genderless cub, which could be made into a character.

      Alex Simmons, the author of the boos stated that Kopa was never truly affiliated with Disney, and solely his creation with Disney's label, meaning he is not an official Disney character.



      Meanwhile, Andrew Simmons, the animator for Kovu stated that the cub's redesign was a twist, so Fluffy is Kiara.



      I'm sorry, but since the directors denied Kopa, there wouldn't be a chance that Kopa would get his own film.

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    • He would if they knew about the Six New Adventures books collection.

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    • But even so, they wouldn't because the first film's filmmakers denied Kopa, so adding him into the franchise would contradict his words.

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    • They must've been brain-dead when they made THAT choice.

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    • Not exactly. They DID have the choice to add Kopa into their canon as Kopa's stories were released a year before the commentary tract. But they denied Kopa specifically because Alex Simmons confirmed that Kopa was his creation all the way with Disney's permission and label, but was never truly affiliated with Disney itself. As well as that, Kopa wasn't a Disney character. He was created by an outsider company unaffiliated with Disney, so Kopa is just a fanfiction character which has a company's name on it. So technically, they made a right choice. And honestly, when did something like this happen? When did a film creator enjoy so much of a spin off, made by a whole new team, that they wished that they created it, and basically "adopt" it into their canon? It wouldn't make sense. The creators would want their own original content in their own original film, so thus they wouldn't adopt any semi canon works, because it would make it semi canon, and not truly canon.

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    • Kopa is Kiara and Kion's late older brother.

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    • Hold up..........Just what do you mean by "late"?

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    • Kopa was scrapped from the first sequel.

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    • He SHOULDN'T have been.

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    • I don't think the move would of made any difference rather Kiara or Kopa were the main character for the sequel.

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    • Well it would have made quite a  difference if Kiara Kopa and Kion were all in the sequel, just younger and happier than Nuka was with Vitani, and Kovu.

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    • I'd rather watch Kopa and Kion then Kiara. But I do like Kiara's character more in LG then in the sequel.

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    • Why, because of Simba getting less screen time?

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